Asking people to stop debating Bynum v. Kobe is as futile as one camp trying to win over the other. At least this way other threads don't get polluted.
Thank you gastank. At least a few people get the idea of this thread.
Now i'd like to see some mods merging the other Kobe VS Drew type threads here. I believe the "Bynum is the best player in the NBA" thread has taken a turn for Kobe VS Drew, so that thread should maybe be merged into this one.
I like the idea but somehow I feel like it's still separating the forum.
Either way, I MOY24LAKERS, will be merging EVERY single thread that becomes or is a Kobe vs Bynum thread. I don't know if other mods will but I will.
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These days it seems like nearly every thread (even including game day threads) morphs into a Kobe vs. Drew extended argument. I won't lie--I think it's pathetic. I think there are more interesting things to talk about, but to each his/her own. I'll never understand how a fan of any team can make it so obvious that they're cheering for one single player to such an extent that it somehow grows into hoping for the relative failure of another player on the same damn team. And be honest, it's obvious that is happening in some cases.
I understand fans having favorite players, but not to the point of being obsessed with the notion that your guy absolutely MUST be considered "THE very best" player, even if it has no rational basis to it. All that should matter is the team. And the best teams usually alternate the players who have big games. They tend to have teammates who pick each other up when guys are not having the best of games.
Anyway, having said that, if all the goofy "prop my own guy up" threads can all be merged into this one, I can see that it would be a nice service to the site. I don't like the idea of the thread, but more power to it if it cleans up the garbage that some fans are addicted to perpetuating.
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I'll be merging any thread that turns into a Kobe vs Drew thing or starts that way here as well. This should help place more of a spotlight on other threads that perhaps don't last on the home page as long due to all the Kobe/Bynum love/hate threads.
Dan,
It is pathetic, and totally mind-boggling. What purpose does trying to prove one player is better than the other serve if both players are on the same team? Both guys are playing great ball right now and we have a 2-0 lead in our playoff series and somehow we end up with all this Kobe/Drew nonsense lol. Can you imagine if we win the title and the argument that will start if Kobe or Drew wins the finals MVP? I think the site might explode lol. The way some people here so passionately argue one way or the other you'd think they have a personal stake in the matter. Still, it draws traffic to the site so at least there's a positive to it lol.
Why does DaAssasins always get love when he says posters are trolls or are "personally attacking" him? He sure has a way of getting people on his side. How does this happen Dave?
What are you trying to instigate here Lakerdude. If you read the threads, I never directly called anyone a troll, I said he was trolling, which is why Dave and other Mods warned him already. So I would appreciate you refrain from the continued personal attacks, or just ignore me. Because I dont appreciate it and I know Dave would not appreciate this type of accusation.
Why does DaAssasins always get love when he says posters are trolls or are "personally attacking" him? He sure has a way of getting people on his side. How does this happen Dave?
What are you trying to instigate here Lakerdude. If you read the threads, I never directly called anyone a troll, I said he was trolling, which is why Dave and other Mods warned him already. So I would appreciate you refrain from the continued personal attacks, or just ignore me. Because I dont appreciate it and I know Dave would not appreciate this type of accusation.
There is an ignore button on the bottom of your reputation stars. Use it.
Good. kobe is a legend and a Hall of Fame, the same can be said of Gasol and about Bynum, the sky is his limit, so the present and the future look bright for this team.
let's enjoy this run for the 17 title
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Lakers4Kobe wrote:
It is pathetic, and totally mind-boggling. What purpose does trying to prove one player is better than the other serve if both players are on the same team? Both guys are playing great ball right now and we have a 2-0 lead in our playoff series and somehow we end up with all this Kobe/Drew nonsense lol. Can you imagine if we win the title and the argument that will start if Kobe or Drew wins the finals MVP? I think the site might explode lol. The way some people here so passionately argue one way or the other you'd think they have a personal stake in the matter. Still, it draws traffic to the site so at least there's a positive to it lol.
I hear you Jason! And it does seem to draw attention and activity. So it's all good in that sense. Cheering for individual players is what some fans are the most passionate about. I may not understand it, but I'll accept it. There's room for everyone to be different. I've always been kind of a nut for cheering for the guys who make team success possible, but don't tend to get any of the credit. That's usually a losing battle in discussions because most fans want to focus on the negatives, and every player has them. LOL. So, anyway, I didn't really mean to be quite so judgmental about it all.
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My main complaint about this is that most everybody wanted to trade Drew for Howard. Now Drew is playing well and those same posters are now saying they've always liked Bynum. The fans who have stuck with him through the ups and downs are calling out the ones who were tearing him down during the year. They seem to be hopping on the wagon now, and act as if they've always liked Drew. It's a little off to me.
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My main complaint about this is that most everybody wanted to trade Drew for Howard. Now Drew is playing well and those same posters are now saying they've always liked Bynum. The fans who have stuck with him through the ups and downs are calling out the ones who were tearing him down during the year. They seem to be hopping on the wagon now, and act as if they've always liked Drew. It's a little off to me.
I expected that to happen. Nobody likes to be wrong, so a lot of fans were quick to jump off the Howard bandwagon and now they're acting like they've been on team Drew all along. It just goes with the territory of being a sports fan and many, MANY fans are fickle in this way.
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My main complaint about this is that most everybody wanted to trade Drew for Howard. Now Drew is playing well and those same posters are now saying they've always liked Bynum. The fans who have stuck with him through the ups and downs are calling out the ones who were tearing him down during the year. They seem to be hopping on the wagon now, and act as if they've always liked Drew. It's a little off to me.
I expected that to happen. Nobody likes to be wrong, so a lot of fans were quick to jump off the Howard bandwagon and now they're acting like they've been on team Drew all along. It just goes with the territory of being a sports fan and many, MANY fans are fickle in this way.
Yeah, and those are the ones that will turn real quick if he has a bad game and then revert back to saying we should of traded him. Bynum fever is spreading, and it's contagious as hell. He's no joke this postseason, as he's taking it to another level. It's time for the band wagoners to jump on.
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Yeah, and those are the ones that will turn real quick if he has a bad game and then revert back to saying we should of traded him. Bynum fever is spreading, and it's contagious as hell. He's no joke this postseason, as he's taking it to another level. It's time for the band wagoners to jump on.
Yep, Drew is the man!
I'm excited to see what Drew does in the OKC because he's gonna be even more important to the Lakers in that series. Drew had a few underwhelming games against OKC this year, but he also had a real nice game against them.
Andrew Bynum VS OKC Thunder in the 2011-12 regular season - Stat averages:
16.3 points per game
11.0 rebounds per game
3.6 blocks per game
20-45 shooting (44%)
All in all, not bad numbers, but the shooting percentages leave a bit to be desired. I'm think Bynum will top those numbers against OKC in a 7 game series. I say Drew will average 20, 12, and 3 on 52% shooting against the Thunder through 7 games.
I still think OKC will beat the Lakers though
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^^I've noticed Bynum struggles against Kendrick Perkins. He's going to have to figure out how to be more effective against the guy, otherwise it will probably be a sweep for OKC.
Thanks MOY, I might have to. Does that mean I won't see any of there posts??
Yep, they could see yours but you can't see theirs. If you block me and I block you, we can't see each others.
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lakerdude wrote:
My main complaint about this is that most everybody wanted to trade Drew for Howard. Now Drew is playing well and those same posters are now saying they've always liked Bynum. The fans who have stuck with him through the ups and downs are calling out the ones who were tearing him down during the year. They seem to be hopping on the wagon now, and act as if they've always liked Drew. It's a little off to me.
lakerdude, but isn't there any room at all in your approach to the issue to see that many Lakers fans truly love Drew as a player...but just don't see him as having the same abilities (particularly on defense) or consistency or stamina as Dwight Howard? That makes no sense to me either. It's not a love him vs. hate him thing with most fans like it appears to be with you. Fans can love Drew as a Laker but be interested in improving the team too! The loyalty to the team goes beyond loyalty to a single player for most fans, or at least that's my guess.
I'll put it another way and it will probably tick off the other half in your argument. I love Kobe as a Lakers player too. But if there was a straightforward way to upgrade the team for now and for the future by moving Kobe (assume Kobe wants to be moved, so ignore the no-trade clause issue) then I might be interested in that too, depending on the other player(s) in the talks.
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IhatetheCeltics wrote:
^^I've noticed Bynum struggles against Kendrick Perkins. He's going to have to figure out how to be more effective against the guy, otherwise it will probably be a sweep for OKC.
No way a sweep is happening. If Bynum makes his move quick and is aggressive he can get Perkins in foul trouble,it has to be quick with deep position before the double comes. The thing with Perkins is on the offensive end when he's using that wide body to set picks for Westbrook,Durant,and Harden. It breaks our whole defense down creating open lanes to the basket,with Bynum stuck at the top of the circle.
We can beat OKC in 7,more concerned with Spurs. Great coach,veteran leadership,all-star guard,deep and very smart team.
My main complaint about this is that most everybody wanted to trade Drew for Howard. Now Drew is playing well and those same posters are now saying they've always liked Bynum. The fans who have stuck with him through the ups and downs are calling out the ones who were tearing him down during the year. They seem to be hopping on the wagon now, and act as if they've always liked Drew. It's a little off to me.
lakerdude, but isn't there any room at all in your approach to the issue to see that many Lakers fans truly love Drew as a player...but just don't see him as having the same abilities (particularly on defense) or consistency or stamina as Dwight Howard? That makes no sense to me either. It's not a love him vs. hate him thing with most fans like it appears to be with you. Fans can love Drew as a Laker but be interested in improving the team too! The loyalty to the team goes beyond loyalty to a single player for most fans, or at least that's my guess.
I'll put it another way and it will probably tick off the other half in your argument. I love Kobe as a Lakers player too. But if there was a straightforward way to upgrade the team for now and for the future by moving Kobe (assume Kobe wants to be moved, so ignore the no-trade clause issue) then I might be interested in that too, depending on the other player(s) in the talks.
I feel you. It's the people that never noticed his talent before, but are now saying they've loved him all along. I still wouldn't be surprised if we took another poll, and Howard was healthy, they'd still take him over Bynum right now.
It actually feels good to grow with the guy, and win with him, rather than having to trade him for someone else. He's been with us as a rookie, and it's paid off. I wouldn't trade Drew for anyone in the league right now. I'm sure I'm alone on that, but that's my M.O.
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lakerdude wrote:
I feel you. It's the people that never noticed his talent before, but are now saying they've loved him all along. I still wouldn't be surprised if we took another poll, and Howard was healthy, they'd still take him over Bynum right now.
It actually feels good to grow with the guy, and win with him, rather than having to trade him for someone else. He's been with us as a rookie, and it's paid off. I wouldn't trade Drew for anyone in the league right now. I'm sure I'm alone on that, but that's my M.O.
Well, I know I'm not a good example of what I was mentioning. I've cheered my @ss off for Drew, even though I entertained the idea of trades. And I know that some were just downright negative about him and some of that got all this stuff started.
Anyway, I agree that Drew is deserving of major love from the fans. And he's starting to get it. Hopefully everyone will grow into that more and more as time goes on. A championship this year might really get things on track! LOL
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Everybody on the forum has been right at some point about something,their not always looking for acknowledgement. Bynum's talent has been their all along,the biggest knock has been his health,whenever the guy cringes we're all worried and thats because we need him to be successful. So here comes a possiblility of getting Dwight Howard vs keeping Bynum with his track record of injuries you have to entertain that option. I personally never liked the idea of giving up Bynum and Gasol for him,but an even swap at the start of the season I would have been on board.
Business is business you have to do whats best for your team,these decisions can get people fired or hated by fans. My biggest issue with Bynum besides health has been effort and he's doing much better in that dept. If he stays healthy,and learn how to beat the double whether its passing out or making his move quick the sky is the limit for him
I think were the so called "Kobe fans" vs. "Bynum fans" start getting into a heated debate is, when Bynum fans resort to trying to discredit Kobe or put down Kobe, just so they can make there case. If anyone actually attends a live Laker game, I dont think anyone in the crowd is chanting MVP to Bynum, they all know who our MVP is. That is no slight to Bynum, because he has been very imortant to our success, and will continue to be needed for us to win it all this year, but 99% of all Laker fans, and non-laker fans know who our best player is, and who is the Alpha dog on this team.
As far as the Howard for Bynum and Gasol trade, I was definitely opposed to that. But, I doubt if you polled a 100 Laker fans, that a majority would oppose to a Howard for Bynum trade straight up.
But, the bottom line as a Kobephile, Kobe lover, or whatever name anyone wants to call me, I do support Bynum 100%, because he is a Laker, and I know his importance to the team. Just like I support the other 12 players on this team. And that is keeping it real.
Bynum is better than dwight leave at that.... why do people keep pushing bynum howard trade, if youre a true laker fan and bynum is performing at the highest level why do kobe fanaticals keep on floating this idea... youre disrespecting Bynum and his effort...
If i said trade kobe for d wade all these kobephiles will react would go nuts....
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It actually feels good to grow with the guy, and win with him, rather than having to trade him for someone else. He's been with us as a rookie, and it's paid off. I wouldn't trade Drew for anyone in the league right now. I'm sure I'm alone on that, but that's my M.O.
Lakerdude,
Alone plus one. I wouldn't trade Drew for anyone.
And since Steve and I were texting each about that very issue a few weeks ago, I know he makes three!
So you have some company at any rate.
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It actually feels good to grow with the guy, and win with him, rather than having to trade him for someone else. He's been with us as a rookie, and it's paid off. I wouldn't trade Drew for anyone in the league right now. I'm sure I'm alone on that, but that's my M.O.
Lakerdude,
Alone plus one. Wouldn't trade Drew for anyone.
We are few SPQR, but all great minds think alike. Bynum will prove us right.
just to be fair since some of the laker fans here wants Drew for howard...
Because Howard WAS better than Bynum. Bynum has only gotten on his level or surpassed him (depending on your opinion) this year. People still want Howard now just because they're scared of drews health or don't trust his defense. However, Bynum has proven he can be healthy and has been playing great defense lately. Kobe has been better than his competition for most of his career so there wouldnt be any realistic trade that gave the Lakers back full value for Kobe.
I dont think kobe was really better than his competition he just shoots a lot.. if durant, lebron,wade and other supertars takes the same amount of shots the he took all of them would average a good 6 - 10 pts more than him, If kobe only took 15FGA per at 43% he would ave' roughly 15pts per game... mid level starting guy not a superstard kind of numbers..
I dont think kobe was really better than his competition he just shoots a lot.. if durant, lebron,wade and other supertars takes the same amount of shots the he took all of them would average a good 6 - 10 pts more than him, If kobe only took 15FGA per at 43% he would ave' roughly 15pts per game... mid level starting guy not a superstard kind of numbers..
Wow okay obviously the new blood Lebron, Wade, and durant are better than him because they've only been around recently and are younger. It's remarkable that kobe can keep up and even outplay these guys sometimes at his age. Kobes been in the league for 16 years and was the best for a while and outlasted guys like Carter, McGrady, and Iverson who are from his era. So yes he has been better than hid competition until recently. And to your last point just wow. All I can say is you're undermining the work ethic, footwork, and shot making ability of Kobe. Also the younger guys get to the line more which gives them more points but less fg attempts because they don't count when your fouled. While Kobe is basically scoring off of footwork and jumpers so naturally he would have more attempts per game.
And mid level starting guy? Wow a different of 4-6 less attempts would turn a 5 time champion and one of the deadliest scorers of all time into a mid level starting guy. OKAY.
You know, its actually really hard to think that Kobe has been in this league for 16 years. Yet he still nearly wins the scoring title, he still can play well..
As much as I don't mind the thought of this Laker squad being Bynum's, it will be Kobe's till he is gone.
He's established himself as a legend. Its like the Charlotte Bobcats saying no to Phil Jackson for a coaching position.
He's solidified his career, and will lead the Lakers until he can no longer do so.
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I dont think kobe was really better than his competition he just shoots a lot.. if durant, lebron,wade and other supertars takes the same amount of shots the he took all of them would average a good 6 - 10 pts more than him, If kobe only took 15FGA per at 43% he would ave' roughly 15pts per game... mid level starting guy not a superstard kind of numbers..
WDF LOL how old are you? I guess you have not watch the lakers in the last 16 years, how can pretty much every NBA analyst says that when kobe retires he will be top 10 GREATEST PLAYER OF ALLLL TIME. You cant compare the new superstars now witn kobe because there 5-10 years younger. SIGH....
I guess a midlevel starting player can just score 50 points 3 in a row, 81 points, 63 points in 3 quarters, top all time scoring! LIST GOES ON..
I dont think kobe was really better than his competition he just shoots a lot.. if durant, lebron,wade and other supertars takes the same amount of shots the he took all of them would average a good 6 - 10 pts more than him, If kobe only took 15FGA per at 43% he would ave' roughly 15pts per game... mid level starting guy not a superstard kind of numbers..
WDF LOL how old are you? I guess you have not watch the lakers in the last 16 years, how can pretty much every NBA analyst says that when kobe retires he will be top 10 GREATEST PLAYER OF ALLLL TIME. You cant compare the new superstars now witn kobe because there 5-10 years younger. SIGH....
I guess a midlevel starting player can just score 50 points 3 in a row, 81 points, 63 points in 3 quarters, top all time scoring! LIST GOES ON..
Thank you! Someone to support my ideas haha.
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yup if you look up kobe's FG% history he has never ave. above 50% or at least 50% jordan did it 6 times, lebron 3 times already, durant close to 50% ths year, wade had one...
and he shoots way more than these other dudes, except jordan but jordan had 10 scoring title to its worth it..
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yup if you look up kobe's FG% history he has never ave. above 50% or at least 50% jordan did it 6 times, lebron 3 times already, durant close to 50% ths year, wade had one...
and he shoots way more than these other dudes, except jordan but jordan had 10 scoring title to its worth it..
so? so the 5 championships he brought to the Lakers is useless for you? how can you be a laker fan if you dont respect kobes game my gawd.. *slaps head*
yup if you look up kobe's FG% history he has never ave. above 50% or at least 50% jordan did it 6 times, lebron 3 times already, durant close to 50% ths year, wade had one...
and he shoots way more than these other dudes, except jordan but jordan had 10 scoring title to its worth it..
How come this guy has been given a lot of attention? Ignore this guy so he'll shut up. The more you comment on his post the more he say something. He's been talking a lot of non-sense!!
Lol was Jordan Kobes competition while he was playing? No. Yes Wade, Lebron, and Durant are more efficient but numbers are just numbers. Since Kobe is less athletic now he's had to find other ways of scoring. His will to adjust and get better is unmatched. He's developed a midpost game, his foot work is amazing, his condition is amazing for his age and how many games he's played His hard work in addition to his talent has made him a 5 time champion. Wade has failed to stay healthy, Lebron hasn't worked on a post game and his jumpshot has just recently gotten better, and Durant still needs a postgame as well. Kobe hasn't done what he's done without being a great player. To support Bynum is great and i am abynum fan. I hope he becomes the next franchise player and the best center in the NBA. But to undermine Kobe is ABSURD. Having Kobe as a teammate will ultimately help Bynum become a great player because Kobe is a champion and leads by example.
Lol was Jordan Kobes competition while he was playing? No. Yes Wade, Lebron, and Durant are more efficient but numbers are just numbers. Since Kobe is less athletic now he's had to find other ways of scoring. His will to adjust and get better is unmatched. He's developed a midpost game, his foot work is amazing, his condition is amazing for his age and how many games he's played His hard work in addition to his talent has made him a 5 time champion. Wade has failed to stay healthy, Lebron hasn't worked on a post game and his jumpshot has just recently gotten better, and Durant still needs a postgame as well. Kobe hasn't done what he's done without being a great player. To support Bynum is great and i am abynum fan. I hope he becomes the next franchise player and the best center in the NBA. But to undermine Kobe is ABSURD. Having Kobe as a teammate will ultimately help Bynum become a great player because Kobe is a champion and leads by example.
Actually Drew is his own leader, He will create his own legacy, without Kobe. Bynum is his own dude, and has his own fire. Kobe was great without anyone's help, and so is Bynum. He is a superstar of his own making.
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i think Shaq influenced Kobe to have the i dont give a fk attitude, and now Bynum is influenced by Kobes i dont give a fk attitude and heart of a champion attitude.
vince carter, tracy mcgrady, allen iverson, teaming up with shaq would have resulted with multiple titles kobe just happened to be at the right situation,,, im not hating on kobe im just saying...
shaq got traded to miami and dwayne wade got himself a championship
kobe teamed up with odom,butler,grant and he failed to lead them into the playoff
so its not like im kobe did it all byhimself he needed a skilled big man to get it done..
with exception of michael jordan in the history of NBA there's not one team ever that won a championship without good to great front court..
I understand some of you guys are irritated with these facts but it is what it is...
I am not hating on kobe im just emphasizing the impotance of having a great big man
perimeter players are plenty to find but having a great big man will get us multiple titles
thats why the lakers has 16 titles, celtics 17,spurs 4
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im a die hard laker fan, im a huge kobe fan also and a huge bynum fan, but attacking one of the other player just to make your fav player better is...........
i think Shaq influenced Kobe to have the i dont give a fk attitude, and now Bynum is influenced by Kobes i dont give a fk attitude and heart of a champion attitude.
Bynum started his own legacy when he bumped and pushed Shaq when he was a rookie. He got dunked on by Shaq and then he dunked right back on him and then shoulder bumped him, hard. That was all I needed to know that Drew was his own cat. Drew went up against the best that game, and showed he was ready for stardom.
I just can't believe that the moderators, Administrators allow threads like this. Of all the years that I have been a member of this forum THIS is the worst thread I have ever seen. All this is nothing but garbage pitting Kobe fans against Bynum fans. I thought we were all Laker fans. I hope Dave or who ever is in charge of this forum closes this thread immediately or else you are going to have the same three coming up with their garbage again.
All players need someone to mentor them and help them become great players. For Kobe, Phil Jackson taught him how to win and helped increase Kobe's basketball IQ. So normally a coach would be the mentor, but I don't think Mike Brown has anything to teach Bynum about being a champion LOL. I just think by being a champion, his hunger for another title, and his work ethic has helped Bynum want to do the same.
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i think Shaq influenced Kobe to have the i dont give a fk attitude, and now Bynum is influenced by Kobes i dont give a fk attitude and heart of a champion attitude.
Bynum started his own legacy when he bumped and pushed Shaq when he was a rookie. He got dunked on by Shaq and then he dunked right back on him and then shoulder bumped him, hard. That was all I needed to know that Drew was his own cat. Drew went up against the best that game, and showed he was ready for stardom
i was there that game wasnt it Xmas day? i forgot all i remember was i was jumping like crazy and saying his the next shaq lol. i love how we had kobe from rookie and grew to become one of the best now, same goes to bynum from rookie year and growing each year to become the best center and soon will be considered in the MVP discusion.
vince carter, tracy mcgrady, allen iverson, teaming up with shaq would have resulted with multiple titles kobe just happened to be at the right situation,,, im not hating on kobe im just saying...
shaq got traded to miami and dwayne wade got himself a championship
kobe teamed up with odom,butler,grant and he failed to lead them into the playoff
so its not like im kobe did it all byhimself he needed a skilled big man to get it done..
with exception of michael jordan in the history of NBA there's not one team ever that won a championship without good to great front court..
I understand some of you guys are irritated with these facts but it is what it is...
I am not hating on kobe im just emphasizing the impotance of having a great big man
perimeter players are plenty to find but having a great big man will get us multiple titles thats why the lakers has 16 titles, celtics 17,spurs 4
McGrady, Tmac, and Iverson were not as great defenders as Kobe. Obviously they lacked the work ethic of Kobe because they failed to stay conditioned enough to stay healthy. Kobe has outlasted them. Kobe got a team of Smush Parker, Walton, Odom, and Kwame into the playoffs. Did anyone say he did it all by himself? No. You said he wasn't greater than his competition. But Tmac couldnt get out of the first round, and Vince Carter never showed up for the playoffs. They played with Yao and Dwight. Durant has Westbrook to help and Harden. Wade needed Shaq to win it and we've yet to see if Lebron and Wade can win won together.
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Posted: May 02, 2012 - 02:07 AM PST
