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Post subject: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
 Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:17 AM PST
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Ariza agreed to a five-year deal with the Rockets for about $33 million, roughly the same that the Lakers had offered in their effort to retain him.
"I had to do what was best for me and family," Ariza said. "I am happy with my decision. I'm glad this all worked out. The Rockets are going to give me a chance to improve my game and that's all you can ask for."
Ariza's agent, David Lee, said the 24-year-old forward passed up a more lucrative contract offer from another team with salary-cap space. "We decided to go with Houston anyway," Lee said. "It was never about the money. It was about going someplace where you felt appreciated."
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lak ... 2019.story
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I can tell you definitively Trevor had an offer that was nine million more than what the Rockets offered and he decided to go with Houston," said David Lee, Ariza's agent, in an interview Thursday with FOX 26 Sports.
"It's like I told (Lakers General Manager) Mitch Kupchak. It was never about the money. It was about being at a place where he felt wanted and appreciated."
http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/ ... land_ariza
********! Lee is a dumbass! The only way he (aka David Lee) would feel unappreciated is if it was all about the money.
Lee is a douchebag. I hope Drew fires his a** and the Lakers never have to deal with him again. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:22 AM PST
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| Lee says it was just about appreciation and not the money?! ... Somebody please get me a baseball bat!!!! |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:24 AM PST
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| The guy is the fifth best player on his own team. Go be the best or second best player on a crap team and feel more appreciated. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:24 AM PST
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bobbylight wrote:
Lee says it was just about appreciation and not the money?! ... Somebody please get me a baseball bat!!!!
Baseball bat? Lets end it quickly with a gun. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:24 AM PST
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According to this report from ESPN, it wasn't like that.
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but also from the fact that the Lakers did not make him an offer of any kind. When Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak spoke with Ariza's agent, David Lee, on Wednesday, Kupchak essentially told Lee to go get the best offer he could and bring it back to him, then perhaps L.A. would match it.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... tes-090702
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:27 AM PST
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| oh well. i love artest. repeat baby!!! |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:27 AM PST
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Lee is an idiot.
Not only does NOBODY believe there was an offer for 9 mil more out there, nobody with their right mind believes that Trevor feels underappreciated.
Lee knows this is teh end for him. No one will hire him to rep anymore. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:30 AM PST
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| Why would Lee say that... how was Ariza "unappreciated" here in LA? |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:37 AM PST
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| i love how professional sports players always say its about family, like if they are starving to death. They are still millionaires at the end of the day. A couple million more makes no difference in my opinion. But then again i am only a minimum wage worker, what do i know about money haha |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:46 AM PST
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| Yeah I don't see Lee getting many more clients with an unprofessional stance such as this. You don't bad mouth a world-class organization, who happens to have his client (Bynum) on the roster. He's gonna be a leper to players now. This rat's only repping Ariza, Bynum, and two scrubs. How is he trying to play like he's in charge of anything! This loser is #58 ranked as an agent. Gimme a break! Ariza got screwed alright... by his own agent, not our FO. Our team appreciates everyone that puts forth commendable effort. The awful truth is that Trevor will go into obscurity in Houston and will make significantly less $$ once the contract expires. He could have ended up making up for the current difference if he stayed with us long term. He would've faired better under Kobe/Gasol/LO spotlight and ended up getting a more lucrative deal with us later on with an extension (when we could be more flexible). Meanwhile, he could've got a few more rings too! Lee just robbed Ariza of a serious future in this league. Why? To springboard his own career,... not Trevor's. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:52 AM PST
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| I like how espn uses an agent's words as a "source" for their reporting. Smells like Ric Bucher-like reporting skills. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:54 AM PST
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...Sasha/Morrison for Ariza... DO IT MITCH! lol. i wish :/
I really think that Ariza was bullied by his agent, who was greedy for his commission. I feel bad for him- if he were older with a little more experience, I think he would still be in a Lakers jersey. He wasn't trying to help Trevor. I think he'll do terrible in Houston, who does he have there to g ive him his wide open threes? He's going to flounder down there. Poor guy. Hope he doesn't expect to win any more rings for a veeerrrryyyy long time.. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 12:57 AM PST
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| I'm wondering who will attract the double team on the rockets so Trevor can get the wide open shots he was getting for the Lakers. Battier? Brian Cook? haha |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 01:09 AM PST
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How was he not appreciated? When PJ wanted him to start, he said that he would rather come off the bench. Then they make a trade to keep you for long term and you still want to come off the bench. Luke has to basically go to PJ and tell him to put you in the starting lineup. U become a starter, help us win a Championship then demand more money. I hope you learned a good lesson today Trevor. YOU didnt appreciate the Lakers.  |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 07:04 PM PST
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....Yet, general manager Mitch Kupchak barely blinked when Ariza’s agent, David Lee, started talking like a tough guy, parading his client on what one rival GM called “a leverage tour.”....
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmYShulOeVRUl36Ii57b.YZ0fNdF?slu g=aw-artestkobe070309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
Great article IMO about the botched negotiation by David Lee for Trevor Ariza. Scratch that. It was likely never "for" Trevor and his wishes on the part of Lee. It was self serving. I'm sure these are VERY hard days and more to come for Trevor. He likely could have had a better contract AND still stay with the Lakers if his agent had any sense. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 07:08 PM PST
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| Oh well, I'm ready to move past this idiot sports agent and start talking about Ron Artest. The Lakers were willing to give Trevor the same kind of money they are giving to the more talented player in Artest, yet according to this fool of an agent, Trevor suddenly feels unappreciated? Houston gets to appreciate Ariza now. Welcome to L.A., Ron. |
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Post subject: RE: David Lee Says Trevor Did Not Feel Appreciated?
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 07:59 PM PST
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| I read it that he was talking about the FO appreciation not thr fan appreciation. Trevor seemed to love the fan appreciation. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:20 PM PST
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I may be in the minority here, but the way I understand this whole situation is that, in my eyes, David Lee is actually getting a pretty raw deal.
I've seen/heard almost every insult thrown his way and that Trevor should fire his a$$.
Tell me if I'm missing something here because I can't see it...
The buck stops at Trevor. He tells his agent what he wants and the agent tries to work out a deal. Now Lee goes to Mitch on the understanding that the Lakers want to keep him and before a deal is even mentioned, he is told to go and get offers from other teams before coming back to him.
Right there, tells me that the Lakers didn't even have an offer in place to give to him. To me, that is the whole definition of "underappreciated".
Had the FO said, "Mr Lee, the FO of the LA Lakers would like to offer your client, Trevor Ariza, the MLE of $5.8 mill per year", then at least an offer was there on the table to be negotiated.
I can hardly see the agent going behind his back, especially as Ariza is the one who pays him and potentially losing out on a commision.
So, I can't see it and unless someone has the true hard facts of what exactly went down, it really isn't fair to judge David Lee.
In a funny way though, everything seemed to work out for the best (I hope), I have been one to call for Artest to the Lakers since last year and now it has finally happened, in a kind of bittersweet way as I really did like Ariza and am sad to see him go. But, the (Lake)show must go on.
Ariza I think just wanted a bigger slice of the pie and the Lakers were not willing to give it to him. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:35 PM PST
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I agree with lakerbloke only as far as the fact that we can't say with exact certainty who is truly to blame for Trevor no longer being a Laker. Some of us believe it was the greedy agent. Maybe Trevor himself was unwilling to accept the MLE as his best possible deal. Maybe the Laker FO was truly to blame because they never had any intention of signing Ariza, since they perhaps had Ron in their back pocket.
Honestly the only ones who really know are Mitch, David Lee, Trevor and maybe a handful of other people. I think the most UNLIKELY scenario is that the Lakers are the real "bad guys" here because it was reported that David Lee and Mitch Kupchak had a lengthy discussion on Wednesday morning, which proved fruitless. If you are going to sit there and tell me that the money was not discussed, then I'll tell you to get real.
David Lee knew exactly how much the Lakers were willing to offer Trevor and he wasn't having any part of it. I don't care if an offer was officially made or not because I refuse to believe that the monetary figures were not discussed AT LENGTH. Remember, it was David Lee who was reportedly unhappy about the money. In my mind this removes any blame from the Lakers organization and places the fault squarely on the shoulders of the greedy agent or perhaps Trevor Ariza himself. If David Lee is claiming that "no offer was made", I'm of the opinion that he is just using a lame tactic to defer the blame from himself and cover his own @$$. He clearly didn't get his client what Trevor really wanted. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:41 PM PST
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lakeshowsd wrote:
I agree with lakerbloke only as far as the fact that we can't say with exact certainty who is truly to blame for Trevor no longer being a Laker. Some of us believe it was the greedy agent. Maybe Trevor himself was unwilling to accept the MLE as his best possible deal. Maybe the Laker FO was truly to blame because they never had any intention of signing Ariza, since they perhaps had Ron in their back pocket.
Honestly the only ones who really know are Mitch, David Lee, Trevor and maybe a handful of other people. I think the most UNLIKELY scenario is that the Lakers are the real "bad guys" here because it was reported that David Lee and Mitch Kupchak had a lengthy discussion on Wednesday morning, which proved fruitless. If you are going to sit there and tell me that the money was not discussed, then I'll tell you to get real.
David Lee knew exactly how much the Lakers were willing to offer Trevor and he wasn't having any part of it. I don't care if an offer was not officially made or not because I refuse to believe that the monetary figures were not discussed AT LENGTH and it was David Lee who was reportedly unhappy it. This, in my mind, removes any blame from the Lakers organization and places the fault squarely on the shoulders of the greedy agent or perhaps Trevor Ariza himself.
At the same time, I really don't blame the FO either. Ariza is a free agent and the Lakers are not obligated to re-sign Ariza. The fact that Ariza took a deal in Houston which essentially was the the same as the "Lakers offer" tells me Lee had no advantage financially. Did Ariza not turn down a deal reportedly worth $9mill more? |
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So what are you saying then? It was nobody's fault and it was just a situation that simply didn't work out? |
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| There are always 3 stories to what happened. 1. The Laker FO story, 2. The Ariza/Lee story. and 3. The True story. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:36 PM PST
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| How can he say that we don't appreciate Trevor when in fact we traded for him and gave him starter minutes. If not for the confidence Phil gave Trevor he would be just any other NBA journeyman instead of the MLE player he is now. I hope he does well in Hoston although I have a feeling his game will slip without Kobe and Gasol getting all the defense. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:45 PM PST
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| LETS HOPE HE DOESNT DO THE SAME TO BYNUM |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
LB,
So what are you saying then? It was nobody's fault and it was just a situation that simply didn't work out?
I think that would be a fair assesment. It's not like Ariza was asking for a huge amount of money, but I do believe the Lakers weighed their options and thought they would fair even better with Artest. When you consider that Artest is now making less than Ariza is at Houston, and Artest, is an even tougher and proven defender, I think the Lakers just wanted to move on from Ariza as turning down Artest was an opportunity not to be missed. I don't think there was any malicious intent with either party as this is a business and they have to look at it from their point of view. As far as Ariza goes, he has to look at it from the point of view as an employee trying to get the most "benefits" from his employer. When that employer cannot or will not meet that demand, the "employee" has to move to an employer who is willing to take him on.
It just gets me that people always seem to want a scapegoat or a bad guy. Lee may not be a man of tactical loquacity, but he could hardly be the one to blame when Ariza is the one who gets to pull the trigger on what he wants.
EDIT: To add to what I was saying, everybody loved Ariza. I heard the occasional "he's too greedy" comment, but all in all, because he played such a key component in winning the title for us, people find it difficult to lay blame on Ariza that this deal went sour. I'm not saying Ariza was to blame either, but Ariza is the one who essentially lets his agent know what he wants to work for. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 10:18 PM PST
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| im new...but arizas agent should definitely be fired! |
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Ariza is going to resort to his role before he got to the Lakers, that's a NOBODY on a losing team!! |
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| Trev knows that the Lakers organization and the Laker fans appreciate him. He's one of the few former Lakers that will always be appreciated, love and respect. At the Championship ring ceremony. When Trev gets his ring. Lakers fans should chant "Thank you, Trevor" then "David Lee sucks". lol |
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LakerFan4Life wrote:
Trev knows that the Lakers organization and the Laker fans appreciate him. He's one of the few former Lakers that will always be appreciated, love and respect. At the Championship ring ceremony. When Trev gets his ring. Lakers fans should chant "Thank you, Trevor" then "David Lee sucks". lol
Ariza won't be here for the Ring Cememony, he is now in Mordor, far, far away from the Fellowship of the Ring.
In these cases, I am not sure what they do. Maybe they just send it to him, but more likely they have some sort of little floor ceremony the first time that Houston comes to L.A. |
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