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Post Subject: If the Lakers don't start letting Drew lead, we are screwed! Post ID: 649270Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:36 PM PST

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I could care less about the Kobe vs Bynum talk. The lakers need to give this dude the damn ball. It all unfolded last night in the Lakers loss. In the 1st half they didn't look to Drew and they got down big. In the 2nd half they started feeding him and the Lakers came back. Once Drew brought us back they went away from him again, and what do you know, we got our a$$es kicked.. There were to many outside shots in the end. You have to leave it to the Lakers to ignore what is working. I'm saying right now that if the Lakers don't play the game with Bynum as the focal point, we will not make it past the 1st round. Book it..


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I agree, we need our offense to be ran through out bigs as much as we can. Jump shots won't save us.
                
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This is the most frustrating Lakers tesm I can remember. I don't know what they will do fom night to night. But when you have two guys who shoot significantly over 50% game in and game out, it isa statistical stupidity not to let them get most of the shots. If Kobe is hot, ride him. But if he is not, the two bigs should be the focal point of the offense.

Sounds like a no-brainer to me. Then again,maybe, collectively, they have no brains.
                
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the lakers played denvers game plan, bynum struggled with double teams, gasol was chilling on the perimeter way too much, kobe was not posting and playing around the post like he did in the first 2 games and his shoot wasnt falling and our role players and bench shoot so terribly that it made our big thee practically have to play perfect, which they didnt do and we lost!! but the effort just didnt seem there as a whole team but especially from gasol and bynum they made denvers 4-5 look like studs!!! especially because if gasol and bynum impose there will, with the energy and enthusiasm they CAN play at we are unbeatable!!
                
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the lakers played denvers game plan, bynum struggled with double teams, gasol was chilling on the perimeter way too much, kobe was not posting and playing around the post like he did in the first 2 games and his shoot wasnt falling and our role players and bench shoot so terribly that it made our big thee practically have to play perfect, which they didnt do and we lost!! but the effort just didnt seem there as a whole team but especially from gasol and bynum they made denvers 4-5 look like studs!!! especially because if gasol and bynum impose there will, with the energy and enthusiasm they CAN play at we are unbeatable!!



The Lakers should be giving the ball to Bynum more. You guys want Bynum to play defense, which he did, 12 boards and 2 blocks and a lot of altering shots. Give Drew the ball on offense if you want to win. Didn't you notice when they finally got Bynum involved in the 2nd half we finally got back into the game, and when they started jacking up missed jumpers we lost it again? Let Drew take over the offense and we win. Everybody else shot the ball like sh*t. Is that Drews fault? No. He just needs the rock.
                
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your a broken record watch the game!! he got looks and no he didnt play good defense!! he didnt play terrible but it wasnt great!! and give drew the ball and want to win right because we played much better game 2 then in game one!!! hahahaha im done arguing with you! you are now as bad as msds! you dont think logically only emotionally!!! so keep screaming drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew and you'll feel better!! us logical realistic laker fans will call out all of our players who play crappy on the team!!
                
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your a broken record watch the game!! he got looks and no he didnt play good defense!! he didnt play terrible but it wasnt great!! and give drew the ball and want to win right because we played much better game 2 then in game one!!! hahahaha im done arguing with you! you are now as bad as msds! you dont think logically only emotionally!!! so keep screaming drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew and you'll feel better!! us logical realistic laker fans will call out all of our players who play crappy on the team!!



Did you watch the same game I did? In the 1st half the lakers went away from him and he got only 3 shots. In the 2nd half they decided to get him involved and we got back into it. When they went away from him the last 5 minutes and started jacking up missed jumpers, we lost it. Why not stick with what's working? You would rather Kobe and the others jack up threes instead of giving it to Drew? They did that at the end last night and we lost huge. I may be a Bynum fan, but at least I can say I'm a fan of someone who was kicking Denvers a$ss in the second half. I can't say that about any other player.
                
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Damm these Bynumtards looking at the boxscores instead of the game, smh, Bynum did not play good defense, he got owned despite of what the boxscore shows, and Bynum struggles out of the double team, I remember last night when we were down around 7 Pts in the 4th quarter they went to Bynum and he had like 3 straight turnovers, it's kinda hard letting a guy lead when he struggles out of the double team and pouts when he doesn't get the ball, now with all that said, should he get more shots? Yes, I believe he should, but he shouldnt lead the offense
                
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If Drew played better in the 1st half, maybe we have a 3-game lead. This was a team loss up and down, Gasol settled for jump shots, Bynum wasn't aggressive enough (McGee owned him), Kobe struggled even with Afflalo on the bench, and the bench apparently didn't even make the flight. The lone bright spot IMO was Sessions (offensively), and even he needs to play better defensively. We also got owned on the glass as well. Lakers played at Denver's pace, and got beat. Plain and simple. Get Kobe and Drew back on the block in game 4, and have Sesh and Pau play off them.

Might be a blessing in disguise anyways; we'll need Metta for the next series.
                
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I don't want to pin it all on Drew, but if on the other hand anyone thinks that poor effort level in the 1st half of game #3 on the part of Drew was simply because of the lack of getting touches, then there's really no room for a rational discussion here.

I agree with what Kobe said in his post-game defense of Drew to all the reporters who were obviously itching for a juicy negative story. Basically he said everyone has bad halves here and there, so don't make more out of it than it is. Fine. Move on. Don't dwell on it. But truly as fans we also don't need to go about trying to make up excuses for it! It's really okay that he stinks it up every once in a while. Everyone does. Defending the indefensible makes no sense at all.

If he's going to show leadership, just go out and show leadership in the way you play...and do it with some consistency. That will shut up all the naysayers. Everyone gets by with lackluster efforts in the regular season, but it just can't happen in the playoffs and particularly by team leaders.
                
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If Drew played better in the 1st half, maybe we have a 3-game lead. This was a team loss up and down, Gasol settled for jump shots, Bynum wasn't aggressive enough (McGee owned him), Kobe struggled even with Afflalo on the bench, and the bench apparently didn't even make the flight. The lone bright spot IMO was Sessions (offensively), and even he needs to play better defensively. We also got owned on the glass as well. Lakers played at Denver's pace, and got beat. Plain and simple. Get Kobe and Drew back on the block in game 4, and have Sesh and Pau play off them.

Might be a blessing in disguise anyways; we'll need Metta for the next series.


i totally agree it was a complete team loss!! our roll players and bench were about as bad as you can be!! but i think more importantly gasol and bynum cant get out matched by denvers bigs!! they are way too big and talented!!! i totally expect to see gasol and bynum pick up there effort sunday and it will have a drastic effect on the team!!
                
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your a broken record watch the game!! he got looks and no he didnt play good defense!! he didnt play terrible but it wasnt great!! and give drew the ball and want to win right because we played much better game 2 then in game one!!! hahahaha im done arguing with you! you are now as bad as msds! you dont think logically only emotionally!!! so keep screaming drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew and you'll feel better!! us logical realistic laker fans will call out all of our players who play crappy on the team!!



Did you watch the same game I did? In the 1st half the lakers went away from him and he got only 3 shots. In the 2nd half they decided to get him involved and we got back into it. When they went away from him the last 5 minutes and started jacking up missed jumpers, we lost it. Why not stick with what's working? You would rather Kobe and the others jack up threes instead of giving it to Drew? They did that at the end last night and we lost huge. I may be a Bynum fan, but at least I can say I'm a fan of someone who was kicking Denvers a$ss in the second half. I can't say that about any other player.

ya thats all you are is a bynum fan!! your not a lakers fan thats for damn sure!! i love bynum, kobe, pau... the only laker im not loving is mike brown!! lol when bynum is getting doubled and is clearly getting frustrated by it its browns job to make an adjustment!! and he never does!!
                
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Damm these Bynumtards looking at the boxscores instead of the game, smh, Bynum did not play good defense, he got owned despite of what the boxscore shows, and Bynum struggles out of the double team, I remember last night when we were down around 7 Pts in the 4th quarter they went to Bynum and he had like 3 straight turnovers, it's kinda hard letting a guy lead when he struggles out of the double team and pouts when he doesn't get the ball, now with all that said, should he get more shots? Yes, I believe he should, but he shouldnt lead the offense



There we go again. Maybe you should look at the box score too. You can't make a post that is a lie. You say he had 3 straight turnovers in the 4th when he only had 2 all night. That is what I'm talking about when some of you dudes post on this site. There are a lot of lying.. It's just like me saying Bynum scored 50 points last night. I could say it, but it's not true. If your going to argue with my post, please argue with truths.
                
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My friend stop making more threads about the same. We can keep this debate in one thread.

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your a broken record watch the game!! he got looks and no he didnt play good defense!! he didnt play terrible but it wasnt great!! and give drew the ball and want to win right because we played much better game 2 then in game one!!! hahahaha im done arguing with you! you are now as bad as msds! you dont think logically only emotionally!!! so keep screaming drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew and you'll feel better!! us logical realistic laker fans will call out all of our players who play crappy on the team!!



Did you watch the same game I did? In the 1st half the lakers went away from him and he got only 3 shots. In the 2nd half they decided to get him involved and we got back into it. When they went away from him the last 5 minutes and started jacking up missed jumpers, we lost it. Why not stick with what's working? You would rather Kobe and the others jack up threes instead of giving it to Drew? They did that at the end last night and we lost huge. I may be a Bynum fan, but at least I can say I'm a fan of someone who was kicking Denvers a$ss in the second half. I can't say that about any other player.

ya thats all you are is a bynum fan!! your not a lakers fan thats for damn sure!! i love bynum, kobe, pau... the only laker im not loving is mike brown!! lol when bynum is getting doubled and is clearly getting frustrated by it its browns job to make an adjustment!! and he never does!!



That's where I disagree with a lot of you. "Laker fan". I'm a basketball fan before I'm a Laker fan. When I watch our team ignore the best thing that's hapenned to them since Shaq, I get pissed. Nobody on this site would be a "Laker fan" if all they did was play like sh*t. You have to be a basketball fan first in order to be a Laker fan. I like basketball. I like great team play. I don't like how the Lakers are playing, therefore I say it. When you have a such a dominant player as Drew, you have to use him and use him and use him. If you dudes see me as A Bynum fan and not a Laker fan, that's your right, but as much a fan of the Lakers I am, I'm a basketball fan first.
                
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drew isnt even that dominate!! shaq was dominant! drew may be the best or second best bigman in the nba, but being the best center in this generation is like saying Im the smartest person........ on the short bus!!! lol this gen is super weak his numbers should be so much higher!! but wait thats all kobes fault!! lol your a joke!! and you dont argue basketball logic if you did you wouldnt even have to bring kobe up in any of your agruements!!! like byunm struggling with handling double teams.... a basketball arguement would be "his teammates need to cut to the basket especially gasol" your answer kobe's fault!! hahahahaha
                
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Andrew Bynum is not capable of leading a team right now. His effort fluctuates too much.
                
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Kobe+talent=4morerings wrote:
drew isnt even that dominate!! shaq was dominant! drew may be the best or second best bigman in the nba, but being the best center in this generation is like saying Im the smartest person........ on the short bus!!! lol this gen is super weak his numbers should be so much higher!! but wait thats all kobes fault!! lol your a joke!! and you dont argue basketball logic if you did you wouldnt even have to bring kobe up in any of your agruements!!! like byunm struggling with handling double teams.... a basketball arguement would be "his teammates need to cut to the basket especially gasol" your answer kobe's fault!! hahahahaha



When has Bynum been the main focal point on offense to prove he's a Shaq? The only time he had that chance was the 7 games Kobe was out and he lead us to a 5 and 2 record with an average of 23 points and 14 rebounds. That sounds like Shaq numbers to me, or at least pretty close, even though he only got 7 games to show it. What don't you like about 23 and 14? Do you love Kobe so much that you are blind to what Bynum can do? If the Lakers gave Bynum the role to lead like they gave Shaq, his numbers and game would be right on line with him. Prove me wrong dude.


I just looked up Shaqs stats and he is 23 and 11 for his career. Bynum showed in his 1st 7 games as the main dude that he had better numbers than that. Has Drew ever bee given the reigns like Shaq was? The answer is no. You have no idea what Drew can do as the main dude when he has never even been given the chance.


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ya you forget one key part....also shot 42% as a big guy close to the basket!!!! lol diffusional!!
                
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and the rebounds is a joke because with out the 30 rebound game his average would have been....... average!! lol
                
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Andrew Bynum is not capable of leading a team right now. His effort fluctuates too much.

Yup. Bynum is not consistent enough to lead a team right now. Remember Bynum was not the only one struggling...Kobe struggled too. Kobe is just as or even more vital to the Lakers playoff run this season. So the lakers need better games from both.

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ya you forget one key part....also shot 42% as a big guy close to the basket!!!! lol diffusional!!


I just looked up Shaqs stats and he is 23 and 11 for his career. Bynum showed in his 1st 7 games as the main dude that he had better numbers than that. Has Drew ever been given the reigns like Shaq was? The answer is no. You have no idea what Drew can do as the main dude when he has never even been given the chance.
                
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Where the hell do you get the 42% from, One game? That's funny, because his career percentage is 56.6% and Shaq's is 58%. Is that a huge difference to you? Crazy dude, crazy.
                
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and just so u are the sole reason why im being much more critical on bynum, i didnt even really want to be critical of him because overall i still feel it was a complete team effort loss last night!! and he was only a part off the loss!! but u dont understand things like that you only see oh someone is critizing bynum must talk $hit about kobe to make bynum look better!!
                
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and just so u are the sole reason why im being much more critical on bynum, i didnt even really want to be critical of him because overall i still feel it was a complete team effort loss last night!! and he was only a part off the loss!! but u dont understand things like that you only see oh someone is critizing bynum must talk $hit about kobe to make bynum look better!!



Your confused. Go back to the beginning of these talks dude. I was saying Bynum should be the focal point on offense and you disagreed with me and started trashing him. Only then did I bring up Kobe's name.
                
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I agree bynum should be thefocal point, i woild wamt to see kobe play a ray allen type who runs around getting screened instead of iso.. The only thing that discourge me about bynum is that he has low temper and also affects his defemsive end when he doesnt get the ball or start missing shots.. Buut yea our guards do a nad job passing it down low as soon as bunum seals his men.. I hope we see changes in game 4
                
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I agree bynum should be thefocal point, i woild wamt to see kobe play a ray allen type who runs around getting screened instead of iso.. The only thing that discourge me about bynum is that he has low temper and also affects his defemsive end when he doesnt get the ball or start missing shots.. Buut yea our guards do a nad job passing it down low as soon as bunum seals his men.. I hope we see changes in game 4



Now that's a fair assessment. I agree with you.
                
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and sorry he shoot 48% while kobe was out, and rebounded the ball pretty well he was just dr jeckel and mr hyde 3 games of 30-16-16 and then 3 games of 7-8-9!! his average was nice but his consistency wasnt great it would have been better to have him average 12 over 6 games then for him to spike amazing numbers for 3 games snd under perform for 3 games.....
                
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I would also want to see more of a kobe and pau pick and roll, they are deadly if they do that.
                
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and sorry he shoot 48% while kobe was out, and rebounded the ball pretty well he was just dr jeckel and mr hyde 3 games of 30-16-16 and then 3 games of 7-8-9!! his average was nice but his consistency wasnt great it would have been better to have him average 12 over 6 games then for him to spike amazing numbers for 3 games snd under perform for 3 games.....


Really? You can drop the dime on Drew just like that? That's why I bring it back to Kobe. I said it before and I will say it now. With Kobe as the main dude, Bynum will never get his chance. 11 0r 13 attempts a night will not show his full strength. Those low attempts don't cut it. Shaq had a chance to be the main dude and Bynum hasn't. I'm telling you, when he gets that chance he will shut all you haters up. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Bynum needs to leave this team to show everybody what he's all about. He can't show his true value until he's the main dude.


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I agree!! 1000% but i also wish kobe and bynum had that chemistry together because they would be even better because bynum is more dominant!! bynum is just not there yet as a player and the proof of that is kobe has build that kind of chemistry with a lot of different players over the years, shaq,gasol,odom,fish ext he even had that with a lot of players in allstar and Olympic games.... but him and bynum havent developed that yet , i doubt that its kobe's fault because he has done it with so many other players it is bynum not being there yet as a player!!
                
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Kobe!!!...Kobe!!!!

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this is a hopeless case I thought kobe has really matured, but I guess you cant change someone thats really selfish as a human being.. him wanting to get his sixth ring... he has to take a back seat and let Bynum do the damage.. he is our biggest advantage against any team..

I really cant blame drew sometimes being hesitant of kicking the ball out once double teamed becoz he is always at the mercy of ths guards giving him the ball wenever they feel like it and theres no guarantee when hes going to touch it again. if they go to him consistently he would kick it out
with no hesitation coz he knows he is engaged but ofcourse the perimeters has to hit those wide open shots if they cant, lane should be open for penetration coming from doublteams...

IF mike clown got no cajones to change to make some changes then we better get that stronger version of jordan hill which is Dwight... Drew is too good of a go to type of a guy to be treated this way... ironically he would actually thrive at orlando the way its currently constructed from 4-1 position everybody can shoot and pass while dwight can thrive on hustles andput backs on missed shots from our elbow, Iso based perimeter offense.
                
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and sorry he shoot 48% while kobe was out, and rebounded the ball pretty well he was just dr jeckel and mr hyde 3 games of 30-16-16 and then 3 games of 7-8-9!! his average was nice but his consistency wasnt great it would have been better to have him average 12 over 6 games then for him to spike amazing numbers for 3 games snd under perform for 3 games.....


Really? You can drop the dime on Drew just like that? That's why I bring it back to Kobe. I said it before and I will say it now. With Kobe as the main dude, Bynum will never get his chance. 11 0r 13 attempts a night will not show his full strength. Those low attempts don't cut it. Shaq had a chance to be the main dude and Bynum hasn't. I'm telling you, when he gets that chance he will shut all you haters up. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Bynum needs to leave this team to show everybody what he's all about. He can't show his true value until he's the main dude.


there was nothing harsh or unfair with my analysis of drew over those 7 games he did have 3-4 monster rebound games but then had 3 under performing games!! go look at the stats!! but drews scoring those 7 games was a little better consistency wise he only had 2 games where he under performed..... and had 5 games of 21-23 ppg!
                
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I agree!! 1000% but i also wish kobe and bynum had that chemistry together because they would be even better because bynum is more dominant!! bynum is just not there yet as a player and the proof of that is kobe has build that kind of chemistry with a lot of different players over the years, shaq,gasol,odom,fish ext he even had that with a lot of players in allstar and Olympic games.... but him and bynum havent developed that yet , i doubt that its kobe's fault because he has done it with so many other players it is bynum not being there yet as a player!!



You can't start off your comment that you agree 1000% and then end it the way you did. Bynum is there as a player dude. Kobe stunts his growth. I stick with it and will always stick with it. Bynum is a special dude but it is being held back by Kobe. Kobe wants to be the man, and he has every right to be. It' is just a tragedy that Drew has to be the 2nd fiddle when he should be the first. I just don't know what to tell you.

This dude is special. I want him to go somewhere he can showcase it. Like I said before, I am a basketball fan before I am a Laker fan. Bynum has the potential to be one of the best centers that ever played. It's just tragic that he may never get to show it, because he has to fall behind Kobe. Again, it's not Kobe's fault because he is a badass too. It's just that Bynum is in a sh*tty situation. He went to a team that had the best basketball player in the world. How will he ever be able to take over while Kobe is here?
                
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It's no surprise that I knew who started this thread just by the title of it..

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The Lakers are screwed if they don't get Bynum the ball when he's open and has good positioning.

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You can't start off your comment that you agree 1000% and then end it the way you did. Bynum is there as a player dude. Kobe stunts his growth. I stick with it and will always stick with it. Bynum is a special dude but it is being held back by Kobe. Kobe wants to be the man, and he has every right to be. It' is just a tragedy that Drew has to be the 2nd fiddle when he should be the first. I just don't know what to tell you.


So Kobe has every right to be the man, yet you're saying Drew should be first and Kobe should be 2nd fiddle? If Kobe deserves to be the man, which he does, then by all means he is going to be the man. He just needs to make smarter decisions sometimes and go with what is working within the game.

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You can't start off your comment that you agree 1000% and then end it the way you did. Bynum is there as a player dude. Kobe stunts his growth. I stick with it and will always stick with it. Bynum is a special dude but it is being held back by Kobe. Kobe wants to be the man, and he has every right to be. It' is just a tragedy that Drew has to be the 2nd fiddle when he should be the first. I just don't know what to tell you.


So Kobe has every right to be the man, yet you're saying Drew should be first and Kobe should be 2nd fiddle? If Kobe deserves to be the man, which he does, then by all means he is going to be the man. He just needs to make smarter decisions sometimes and go with what is working within the game.



All I know, and what I've been saying is that Bynum is a main dude player. He should be the main man, but Kobe is. There's nothing we can do about it. Kobe is not going to take a backstage to Bynum. If Kobe was not here, Bynum would lead this team and lead it well. It sucks that Drew has to be on the same team as Kobe. You can slice my statement however you want to. Kobe is holding this dude back because as long as he's there, Drew will not get a chance to lead.

Drew needs 20 or more attempts a game, not 13. If Kobe wasn't here he would have those attempts. What else can I say? Bynum's full game hasn't even been explored yet, because he has to concede to Kobe. Like it, hate it, I don't care. The facts are the facts.
                
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Its gotta be BYNUM we cant waste such immense talent to be treated as hustle energy type of a guy,, if thats the case dwight suits better with lakers he is a stronger version of jordan hill so he can clean up the mess thats how he plays, he gets 80percent of his points that way.. kobe and mike clown can continue perimeter based elbow offense and a whole lot of isolation...
                
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Yes they do need to get the ball to drew more, but that's not just on Kobe. And I don't count all those shots against Kobe when some of them are bail out shots at the end of the shot clock when he has to shoot the ball. Everyone has things they need to work on just like Drew needs to be more consistent on both ends of the floor not just all about offense one night and then only defense the other. Have you noticed most of the time when he has big offensive games he has single digit rebounds and he's not really trying to stop anybody.
                
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First, this was a team loss: everyone---including Bynum---appeared lost in the first quarter.

Second, this team doesn't play intelligently. We have two of most skilled / efficient bigs in the game, but we don't design our offense around them. This isn't to say that Bynum is ready to carry the team or even that he should shoot more than Kobe. Rather, we need to play inside out. I recognize that Bynum doesn't move the ball back out as quickly as he should, but this isn't only his fault: we don't have offensive sets designed to exploit the opportunities created when Denver double-teams him, and instead of cutting to the basked or making themselves available, the rest of the team stands around and watches (the Lakers trademark). Moreover, Drew often gets himself in position for a lob only to be ignored by our guards. While we can blame the guards (and Kobe takes a lot of heat), I blame the coach.

Which brings me to my third and final point: we have arrived in the playoffs with a capable cast but no script; while we have 3 superstars, an up-and-coming PG, and a surprisingly decent bench, we still aren't playing as a team. Bynum may be dominant in some games, Kobe may go off in others, but individual talent only gets you so far in a team game. If Popovich had this team, they would be unstoppable. In Brown's hands . . . well, we will hope for the best, but despite the talent of our individual players I don't see isos and jump shots beating the TEAMS from Oklahoma City or San Antonio.

This isn't about Bynum---it is about playing smart and playing as a team. We seem incapable or unwilling to do either, and this falls on Brown.
                
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How many of these kinds of thread does this forum need? We get your point Lakerdude, that Bynum should be the man months ago.
                
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I am not saying that Drew has to shoot everytime he touches the ball, by him knowing he's getting the ball consistently trust me he's going to learn how to beat doubleteams quickly and less reluctant to kick out the ball...
                
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How many of these kinds of thread does this forum need? We get your point Lakerdude, that Bynum should be the man months ago.


this thread should be merged.or maybe create a Bynum discussion thread.

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How many of these kinds of thread does this forum need? We get your point Lakerdude, that Bynum should be the man months ago.



You get my point that Drew should be the man, but I'm trying to get the Lakers to get it, lol.
                
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How many of these kinds of thread does this forum need? We get your point Lakerdude, that Bynum should be the man months ago.



You get my point that Drew should be the man, but I'm trying to get the Lakers to get it, lol.


that will not be the case you are just saying Bynum is our most effective big man on the paint. What about Pau? he is much better handling double teams and creates a good flow on the offense when he touches the ball. you mislead the title, if you are team-oriented fan you would say " if the lakers don't start using Pau and Drew size, we are screwed". but by the title of this thread you are just stating Bynum over and over again . some of you just forget Pau, he still valuable for us especially for the inside post. Pau is helping Bynum but Bynum is not helping PAu's game he is not letting Pau do his thing which is to post.

we wonder why Bynum is still not learning to handle double teams? is because he didn't want too. i saw him triple teamed and double teamed last night but he kept forcing he didn't want to pass it on Sessions who is wide open in front of him . he just wanted to score and he is trying to force the issue when he is double teamed. much as i like our Big 3 , i wonder how can we win a championship with Kobe and Bynum being selfish as of right now , i just want to credit Sessions and Pau on the team they are unselfish and they go with the flow of the offense also defense.

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How many of these kinds of thread does this forum need? We get your point Lakerdude, that Bynum should be the man months ago.



You get my point that Drew should be the man, but I'm trying to get the Lakers to get it, lol.


that will not be the case you are just saying Bynum is our most effective big man on the paint. What about Pau? he is much better handling double teams and creates a good flow on the offense when he touches the ball. you mislead the title, if you are team-oriented fan you would say " if the lakers don't start using Pau and Drew size, we are screwed". but by the title of this thread you are just stating Bynum over and over again . some of you just forget Pau, he still valuable for us especially for the inside post. Pau is helping Bynum but Bynum is not helping PAu's game he is not letting Pau do his thing which is to post.

we wonder why Bynum is still not learning to handle double teams? is because he didn't want too. i saw him triple teamed and double teamed last night but he kept forcing he didn't want to pass it on Sessions who is wide open in front of him . he just wanted to score and he is trying to force the issue when he is double teamed. much as i like our Big 3 , i wonder how can we win a championship with Kobe and Bynum being selfish as of right now , i just want to credit Sessions and Pau on the team they are unselfish and they go with the flow of the offense also defense.


Pau was single covered all night and what did he do? I wasn't going to say anything about Pau but now that you bring him up, where was he? He had a 16 and 6 line and Drew had an 18 and 12 night, yet you trash Drew and are giving props to Gasol? I don't get you dude.
                
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Pau was single covered all night and what did he do? I wasn't going to say anything about Pau but now that you bring him up, where was he? He had a 16 and 6 line and Drew had an 18 and 12 night, yet you trash Drew and are giving props to Gasol? I don't get you dude.


i didn't trash Drew, you just said it yourself. i'm stating that Pau is still our one of the most effective player on the lakers, him and Bynum should work together yet Bynum is being selfish , him and Kobe are the selfish players on the team. as much as i like those two , i can't help it but criticize their play.

as for Bynum being selfish , is he making room for Pau? is he supporting him?. Pau is becoming so generous to Bynum, sacrificing his points just for Bynum to be effective while him is not making room for Pau to operate. what about settle for 2 possessions and let Pau do his work the the next one let Bynum do his work. that would be effective for both of them , and would be hard to defend. Bynum and Kobe are selfish which is why we are not winning a championship.

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Pau was single covered all night and what did he do? I wasn't going to say anything about Pau but now that you bring him up, where was he? He had a 16 and 6 line and Drew had an 18 and 12 night, yet you trash Drew and are giving props to Gasol? I don't get you dude.


i didn't trash Drew, you just said it yourself. i'm stating that Pau is still our one of the most effective player on the lakers, him and Bynum should work together yet Bynum is being selfish , him and Kobe are the selfish players on the team. as much as i like those two , i can't help it but criticize their play.

as for Bynum being selfish , is he making room for Pau? is he supporting him?. Pau is becoming so generous to Bynum, sacrificing his points just for Bynum to be effective while him is not making room for Pau to operate. what about settle for 2 possessions and let Pau do his work the the next one let Bynum do his work. that would be effective for both of them , and would be hard to defend. Bynum and Kobe are selfish which is why we are not winning a championship.



Bynum is selfish? Give me a break. He only had 11 attempts to Gasols 13. They both are under utilized by Kobe, but please don't call Drew selfish, because if he was, he'd shoot every time he gets the ball, which he doesn't. I saw him assist to Pau a couple of times last night. Drew only shoots an average of 13 shots per game, how is that selfish?
                
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