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Post Subject: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA title?
 Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 12:45 AM PST
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“The value of identity of course is that so often with it comes purpose.”
-Richard Grant
With the shortened regular season over, the playoffs are just about upon us; so I have picked this time to ask the members of LTB the most important poll question we will ask all year: Do you think the this team, the current version of the LA Lakers we have watched all year, will win the NBA title? Now, our answers won’t be important, just opinions asked for and given; but the true answer we will all know soon, will tell us much about where....Please log in to view the entire post.
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 01:00 AM PST
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| I don't expect them to, but I believe they can win the title. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 04:03 AM PST
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I expect them to prove me wrong and win the title ( I simply couldn't say it outright )
The biggest problem for LAL is that they probably face 3 teams and THEN Miami who have solid PGs who can get into the paint and expose our biggest hole even after Sessions' addition.
I see them taking a team to 6 games before flaming out in the WCF..............Please don't let it be the Spurs..... |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 04:09 AM PST
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Spqr,
Good post and nice new avatar! , i do believe that the Lakers can win a championship on this roster but it's coming from my heart of being a laker fan, but if you will answer in a logical answer i would say no, this team hasn't captured their identity yet,inconsistent playing,inconsistent rotations and inconsistent style of play we really didn't a chance to found our groove . our longest winning streak this year is only 5 which shows that we are up and down team all year long.and Mike Brown lack of adjustments will absolutely kills us in the playoffs.
Only thing to hope for is the lakers can found their groove,their identity, their defense that propels them earlier into the season, the bench should continue to play better , Kobe being kobe that we really want who shares the ball and be the best player on any series ,Bynum and Gasol should get their acts together, and Sessions should imrove his PnR defense.they are many things that the Lakers need to do if they are going to win it all.But, it's seems impossible for the Lakers to accomplish those things in the playoffs, I'm a laker fan and i believe in this team are capable of winning it all because you know i want the lakers. but if some fans think realistic until Harden is still there, we have no chance of beating Oklahoma because they matchup pretty well and Harden is the one that gives them an advantage on the lakers. It's hard but it's seems a second round exit is a possibility. The only thing is the Lakers must prove us wrong, where amazing happens in the playoffs i believe in those, i'm just glad Spqr, that we have Nba again and something to be excited about.Let's watch and enjoy! |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 04:11 AM PST
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There is no doubt our talent matches up or exceeds every team in this years playoffs. But, to get back to an earlier trail I started, Mike Brown had failed to mold a TEAM. Call it chemistry, call it identity, call it meshing --- by whatever yardstick we did not.
My instinct is to say we could win it all had Brown been a better coach. After all, a Popovich would have a three point marksman named Goudelock primed and ready to go for the playoffs. This, as SPQR observed, is a mystery to me. Other than Goudelock coming on to MikeBrown's wife, there is no logicsal explanation to keep the other Andrew glued to the bench.
Also, minutes for our older players would have been limited. The Bynum insurrection should have been handled better.
But,on the other hand, Kobe's observation that "we can win it all but there is little room for error" is as close to a perfect analysis with respect to our chances as any. And with Kobe, Pau and Bynum, as good a Big Three as there is in the NBA, you always have a chance.
That all being said, my Final Answer (as in Jeopardy): We will get to the Finals despite Mike The Clown. Then it really depen ds on matchups and other factors.
We'll argue about our chances when we reach the Finals. Which we will. Period. |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 04:59 AM PST
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| I agree with Baad. The identity issue plus the team not being the sum of its parts is mike browns fault. |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 05:00 AM PST
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| this year is different i want the lakers to win it all, but i dont expect them to not like the past 3 years when i expected them to. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 08:34 AM PST
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Hey Randy,
Long time. It's so good to see that you are STILL writing these tremendous posts, just great buddy. I totally agree with everything you said. It's hard to accept the truth BUT do I think we can? Yes. Do I think we will? Unfortunately no. This does not mean I will not be sitting and hoping with all my heart that they do because....I WILL. Hey meant to tell you that I got to see our beloved Lakers two weeks ago on April 6th against Houston AT THE STAPLES CENTER IN THE 5th ROW!!!!!! While I was pissed they lost just being in the Staples center with "my people" was unreal. |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 08:41 AM PST
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| I still think, they can win it all. All depends on Brown adjustments and rotations. |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 08:57 AM PST
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 09:10 AM PST
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:22 AM PST
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 10:46 AM PST
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Fantastic post by SPQR.
For quite some time now, I've been committed to the extreme likelihood that the Lakers will NOT win a title this season, and Randy's post explains much of the reason why I've felt as I have about the Lakers chances this year. I just hope we put up a good fight in the playoffs and don't get swept and embarrassed like last year. You gotta go down with some dignity. I was hoping for a 1st round matchup VS defending Champion Dallas so that the Lakers could exact some small measure of vengeance before flaming out of the playoffs VS the OKC Thunder or Spurs. Sadly, that desirable 1st round VS the Mavs is no longer possible.
I somewhat agree with the posters who attribute this current Laker team's lack of identity to Mike Brown's shortcomings as a coach. With a greater coach like Greg Popovich for example, there's little doubt that these Lakers would have a very well defined identity at this point in the season, and they'd be primed and ready to make a title run. Sadly, Mike Brown, while still a respectable coach in his own right, is no Greg Popovich.
Never in Mike Brown's head coaching career has he succeeded in helping to establish a truly championship quality identity for his teams. In Cleveland, Brown's teams always had an extremely Lebron-centric identity and it was ultimately too predictable to win a title against teams with less fundamentally flawed identities. Now in L.A., Brown's failure to establish any kind of consistent team identity whatsoever will most likely result in yet another failure to accomplish the ultimate goal of winning a championship. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 11:30 AM PST
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| True that identity is lacking in our unit this year but i hope that lack of identity on offense will be our strength and do positive things for us which means teams will have a hard time checking us, they won't what will hit them....if we can figure something out on the defensive end at least we can be a big threat to powerhouse teams...If Mike Brown is true to what he was telling us that he is a defensive coach, then we will have a bigger chance, We have Pau, Bynum and Kobe and that 3 alone can cause problems for them to stop us on the offense... I say we can only hope for a little bit of a defensive team to be our Identity so that i think answers the question, at least on the defensive we can find our identity... |
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Post Subject: RE: The LA Lakers:Can a team with no identity win the NBA ti
Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 11:56 AM PST
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you gotta be kidding with that book. Sheesh.  who has time to read all that?
To answer your question in the title... We have Kobe Bean Bryant still on our team, we will always have a shot. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 12:27 PM PST
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TheMagicontinues wrote:
you gotta be kidding with that book. Sheesh. who has time to read all that?
To answer your question in the title... We have Kobe Bean Bryant still on our team, we will always have a shot.
LOL, Randy's posts can be quite long but it's always high quality stuff, man. Sometimes you can't say everything you need to say in 2 or 3 paragraphs. For people who have the time and patience to read his posts, they are always worthwhile. Other Laker fan sites don't have contributors with half of SPQR's historical knowledge, insight, creativity, imagination, and writing talent. If you didn't read the blog, it's pretty much your loss, dude. I read the hell out of it. Every word. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 03:39 PM PST
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SPQR: this post is on the money.
I've been watching something baffling to me all season long, an offense that changed from month to month it seemed. It started off with Kobe using off the ball screens and getting towards the middle of the floor, he would shoot,drive or maybe pass depending on the defense. When Drew came off the four game suspension Drew received the ball a lot right in front of the rim, he posted, the team delivered and he responded. Shortly after that Kobe started going on some big shot-jacking rampage. The bigs were receiving the ball, but Kobe seemed to average around 25+ shots and the role players and everyone else was suffering. Kobe started using the high post more instead of the screens which I thought were affective for him. Not to mention the stint we had when Kobe went to using the Pau screen, hit Pau if he was trapped and Pau would lob it to Bynum or give it to Bynum in front of the rim. Bynum doesn't receive the ball in front of the rim anymore like he was earlier in the season but the offense is scoring more. However the ball sticks to certain people way too long. I've seen Kobe get a pass for a good shot, he will pump fake and start sizing his man up. Bynum refuses to hit the guy in front of him and holds onto it way too long.
Something that has baffled me is why not have Kobe feed Bynum instead of being on the weak side? If a man wants to shade off Kobe for help then at least we know Bynum will give it to him right there. If help comes from the weak side then if Blake or Sessions or Artest are over there it will take longer for the defense to recover back to the weak side. Have pau feed the post or something since he seems to be our best shooter by a good margin. Just a thought.
This team use to have a defensive identity at the beginning of the season, but once this team started scoring more, they stopped playing the same type of defense. Now all of a sudden they can't communicate on defense, they are switching on picks instead of the bigs showing hard until the initial defender recovers like they were at the beginning of the season. This tells me that the players are at fault. LTBers put it on the center position and at times it is that position at fault, but there are a lot of p,ayers at fault on this team and the only way this team challenges for a ring is that they put personal agendas aside and play as a cohesive unit on defense.
Brown has irritated me of late. The Goudelock benching, Murphy getting time and just letting Hill rot when I knew he could provide more than Murphy could. Aside from that, this looks like a Phil Jackson coached team minus Brown actually calling timeouts and looking like he has life in him. Phil Jackson's Lakers always seemed to be inconsistent, terrible pick and roll defense, offense featuring Kobe mostly with isolations and just unexplainable losses. Some wish Phil was back, but he never left. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 04:27 PM PST
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gemfow wrote:
...this looks like April Jackson coached team minus Brown actually calling timeouts and looking like he has life in him. Phil Jackson's Lakers always seemed to be inconsistent, terrible pick and roll defense, offense featuring Kobe mostly with isolations and just unexplainable losses. Some wish Phil was back, but he never left.
LOL, that was a very funny and very accurate comment.
For the last few months these Lakers have much more closely resembled the Phil Jackson teams that were wildly inconsistent defensively and very poor at defending the pick and roll. The largely Kobe-centric, Hero ball offense this season is another thing that screams "Phil team".
It's actually quite funny because it seemed like at first the Lakers tried to buy into Mike Brown's philosophy and develop the identity of a lower scoring, grind it out, defensive minded team like the Celtics. Apparently the players were unhappy with the results in the win/loss column because they had a players only meeting and ever since then, this team has looked like last year's Phil Jackson coached team in many, many ways. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 05:16 PM PST
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Lakeshowsd: this damn auto correct on my iPad gets me every time, I didn't know it said April Jackson, lol.
This team is frustrating. When I heard about the vets complaining, I knew it wasn't a good sign. Phil let them do whatever the hell they wanted and when a coach came in trying to do things his way, guys started crying. A few of them don't know anything else but Phil Jackson and that's a problem. These guys have reverted back to a Phil Jackson team and we saw how good that turned out last season. |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 05:24 PM PST
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I expect them to prove me wrong and win the title ( I simply couldn't say it outright )
The biggest problem for LAL is that they probably face 3 teams and THEN Miami who have solid PGs who can get into the paint and expose our biggest hole even after Sessions' addition.
I see them taking a team to 6 games before flaming out in the WCF..............Please don't let it be the Spurs.....
KS,
Yeah, you and I are pretty much in accord in how we see this playing out. And not only the point and pick and roll trouble on D, but those teams will most likely have home court. And we are a bad road team. Its hard to see this getting past all that. But, here is to rooting them on to do it!! I was fairly confident we would at least beat Dallas last year. That upset caught me very much by surprise. Maybe the team will surprise me in a different way this time? lol.
Ralpcobarde,
Thanks for the nice words for the post and the avatar. I figured it was time for a change. When I look at the team on paper: Kobe, Drew, Pau, Sessions..etc..I see a team that should be right there at the top with the elite teams in performance and consistancy. But they are not! Maybe its the coach. Maybe the wrong chemistry of players. I don't have an answer. But it is kind of frustrating to see so much talent on board, yet see a team most certainly a good cut below other teams that don't seem to dwarf them in talent. You just feel like we should be getting more from what we have.
Baad,
Yes, it could be the coach. It is either that or a bad mix of talented players who are not meshing. I wish I knew the answer.
NJ,
Holy sh*t, where have you been besides Lakers games? lol.
Man, great to see you again. And thanks for the nice words. Yep, I will rooting right with you and all our fans for us to upset the apple cart and prove me totally wrong. I would love to come on here in few weeks and say, "They found a freakin indentity along with another title!!" Anyway, either way, it was a fun year so far and I am looking forward to the future with hope, not trepidation.
Congrats on going to the Lakers game! Im jealous. What were you doing out in LA, kid? Fifth row? Are you kidding? You can buy a car for what that costs, right? Do you know Jack or Diane Cannon? Damn that is sweet.
Tell some more about it. So exciting. I can imagine how you felt. And post some more. With the playoffs here, we need all our powers working together, lol.
Steve, Gem:
Thanks for the nice words, as always. I wanted Dallas too. I was very confident we would beat them. They just have faded that much since last yaer, and I think Sessions and Drews improvement just was too much for their depleted squad over seven games. And as you say, revenge would have been nice. Oh well.
I will give Brown another year. I loved how he had us playing D for the first part. But he started making me thing with Goudelock and now it seems everything he said he wanted to do, or tried to do, has not really worked out. Not a good sign. But he was new, it was a short year. I will give him a full years stint next season before I decide I want his a** out, lol. But if at the end of next year, the Lakers we see right now, are the Lakers we see then, well..... |
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Posted: Apr 27, 2012 - 05:44 PM PST
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Kobe has never been more focused than he is this year to win a ring.
He has already sacrificed the scoring title to show his teammates what his goals are along with resting to completely heal while letting the team sink or swim on their own merits while he was out.
For the most part the team has responded to him is a positive way. They have stepped up and played their roles as they will need to going into the playoffs.
Kobe will now sacrifice some more, he will let his team keep the game close until the 4th quarter by sharing the ball. His play-offs #'s will suffer, but that is nothing new. for his career his #'s mostly go down in the play-offs anyway.
Kobe's career play-off stats:
1) FG% per game for career= .448 down from regular season of .453
2) Points per game= 25.4 same as regular season
3) 3-pt FG% per game= .335 down from .337
4) Rebounds per game= 5.1 down from regular season 5.3
5) Assist per game = 4.8 up from regular season 4.7
6) Turn-overs per game = 3.9 up from regular season 3.0
What will be different this year is that Kobe has finally realized what the phrase "Go Big ( Shaq - Bynum & Gasol) or Go Home (Kobe one on five) means to an NBA Championship.
Kobe will let the "Bigs" control the game and keep it close til closing time in the 4th quarter, keeping his legs fresh to to hunt.
This play-offs will go down in history as the "Hunger Games" and Kobe is hungry, how much will he eat?????
If he is greedy, he is in trouble, but if he lets everyone eat first and then come in to finish off the meal, he will get his just deserts= Ring # 6 |
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| Anything is possible. I think losing artest hurts... but the fact we recently added on a sessions that I expected to not be as helpful... closely crosses out. They definitely have a chance. |
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SPQR: isn't it funny that once Kobe started "coaching," we played better as a team. Kobe should be player/coach. Mike Brown has got to hope the team wins despite his blatant incompetence.
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Baad,
I'll give my thoughts on Kobes "coaching".
I didn't put any stock in it. I thought it was media hype. First off, Kobe wasn't contravening what Brown was having them do. It wasn't like Kobe took over and had the team ignoring Brown.
Second, it got attention because Kobe was talking to the team in a suit. But he does the same thing all the time when he plays. So where is the difference?
It was just the media focusing on him talkiing in a suit, on the bench, rather than talking in a jersey, playing.
I think there was a much more obvious and concrete change during that time that made the offense run much smoother than Kobes "coaching" which he does all the time anyway.
My opinion on the Kobe coaching thing aside, Baad, it does not absolve Brown of failures and broken promises. He said this would be a twin tower Robinson-Duncan like team. That didn't happen. He did not create and maintain a strong defensive team. He did not rest veterans. He did not keep playing Goudelock, whose particular forte from outside and driving could really help a low post team. Something we lack. The offense took a step back. He did not forge an indenity for this team.
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| SPQR: I thinkbBrown must have wached some Phil Jacjson oaching for dummies videos because Brown is guilty of the same things Phil has been guilty of for years, underutilizing our bigs, ignoring young talent, poor pick and roll defense, etc... The only difference is that Phil has rings but it was only when LA put forth the effort that they started to beat teams, it wasn't great plays being drawn up or anything like that. I hate saying things like that because Phil is a winner, he didn't win titles by accident but I don't see much of a difference in this team as opposed to a Phil coached team, yet Phil is loved and Brown is considered incompetent. |
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Gem,
I understand what you are saying and I agree. Phil was a great coach. But he also showed, without doubt, both in Chicago and LA, that when he didn't have the better team, the best team, with the best player, he wasn't going to win a title on coaching genius. He wasn't going to take some also-ran team that wasn't the best team, and by his supreme coaching abilities, turn it into a champion. Phil was a front runner. The most successful front runner in NBA history, but a front runner.
If you had a basketball tournament with the exact same rosters. There are a few coaches I would take over Phil. Pop being one who is coaching right now. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2012 - 10:12 PM PST
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Great thread SPQR and I agree with you completely.
The Lakers have the team that could win, but there is too much inconsistency. It all depends on
Bynum, he is the X factor. If he plays with intensity I have no doubt that the Lakers can win it all, but if he does not, then we are doomed. And he has been inconsistent.
Another place where the Lakers are weak in the inconsistency and the hesitation of shooting the three point shot, and again I agree with you why did they bench Goudelock. He could spread the floor with his three point shooting. |
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Posted: Apr 28, 2012 - 11:56 PM PST
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Axle,
Thanks for the really nice words. I'm glad you found the thread interesting. And thanks for taking the time to read it.
I agree that we seem to have the talent to win it. That is what makes the under achievement and lack of identity so disappointing. I mean with Kobe, Pau and Drew we really have such matchup edges on any team. But the results one would expect from this just isn't there.
I also agree Drew will be so important. And also Kobe and Pau. Those three can't screw around or play stupid ball. There are no redos now.
The lack of three point shooting is m*rd*r on a team with Drew and Pau, right? Yet we had a rookie who could not only make em, but wasn't afraid to shoot em. If the three point shooting hurts us, after the season ends, many people will think of Goudelock and what he may have done for us.
And only Brown will be responsible for that.
Here is to hoping Drew has a consistent, monster playoff series, mentally as well as physically,cuz if he doesn't, it's hard to see us winning this thing. And here's to hoping his teammates give him the chance as well.
And they ALL better play defense like there is no tomorrow, because there isn't. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 02:30 AM PST
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| sorry for being out of topic, but does anybody know why I cannot access the official site of nba these days?????? |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 02:36 AM PST
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sorry for being out of topic, but does anybody know why I cannot access the official site of nba these days??????
Shaq,
Thats ok. Do you mean NBA.com? I just got on it. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 04:38 AM PST
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| We ALWAYS have a chance. The team has to take it though. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 05:14 AM PST
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SPQR wrote:
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sorry for being out of topic, but does anybody know why I cannot access the official site of nba these days??????
Shaq,
Thats ok. Do you mean NBA? I just got on it.
yes. (I couldn't write it because I cannot post an 0RL yet)
I am from Greece and the official site of NBA has a Greek version as well, which I can access, but I prefer the American one because it is more up to date and interesting. I used to be able to access both the Greek and the American version but in the last days is a "page corrupted" message or something like this appearing when I try to enter the USA site.Does anybody know why?
p.s. sorry again for the offtopic |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 08:40 AM PST
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SPQR wrote:
The lack of three point shooting is m*rd*r on a team with Drew and Pau, right? Yet we had a rookie who could not only make em, but wasn't afraid to shoot em. If the three point shooting hurts us, after the season ends, many people will think of Goudelock and what he may have done for us.
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If there is any indictment of Mike Brown's coaching, it is his treatment of the only potetnial three point marksman we have, Andrew Goudelock. To me it is a total mystery. Does anyone here believe that Popovich would not have developed Goudelock into a valuable member of the Spurs had he been with that team? PJax refused to play rookies; but Mike Brown is no Jackson and his lack of rings as opposed to eleven does not give Brown the luxury of foolishness that Phil was accorded.
There is no way to explain it. And even in the garbage game against Sacramento, Goudelock shot three of four from downtown. I cannot figure out a logical reason for gluing Goudelock to the bench. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 12:36 PM PST
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BaadMaster wrote:
SPQR wrote:
The lack of three point shooting is m*rd*r on a team with Drew and Pau, right? Yet we had a rookie who could not only make em, but wasn't afraid to shoot em. If the three point shooting hurts us, after the season ends, many people will think of Goudelock and what he may have done for us.
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If there is any indictment of Mike Brown's coaching, it is his treatment of the only potetnial three point marksman we have, Andrew Goudelock. To me it is a total mystery. Does anyone here believe that Popovich would not have developed Goudelock into a valuable member of the Spurs had he been with that team? PJax refused to play rookies; but Mike Brown is no Jackson and his lack of rings as opposed to eleven does not give Brown the luxury of foolishness that Phil was accorded.
There is no way to explain it. And even in the garbage game against Sacramento, Goudelock shot three of four from downtown. I cannot figure out a logical reason for gluing Goudelock to the bench.
Mike brown said something like we are going to concentrate on defense first with this team anyone not wanting to move in that direction will sit. Now I do not know if Goudelock thought that because he could shoot three's that that exempted him from learning defense but that is my guess as to why he sat on the bench so long. Note this is just a guess and I have nothing to back up my opinion. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 12:48 PM PST
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| I believe that the Lakers do have an identity. The identity is an in progress attempt to become a defensive team and because D is harder to accomplish than O it is going to take until next year for this to become a reality. We have seen glimpses of the defense in games this year but it takes the mind time to make it instinctive. Next year will be a normal year where practice will cause this new scheme to blossem, so this year is not representive of what the Lakers will look like in the future. You need to give both Brown and the team a full season to show their real identity. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 01:05 PM PST
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maraud wrote:
I believe that the Lakers do have an identity. The identity is an in progress attempt to become a defensive team and because D is harder to accomplish than O it is going to take until next year for this to become a reality. We have seen glimpses of the defense in games this year but it takes the mind time to make it instinctive. Next year will be a normal year where practice will cause this new scheme to blossem, so this year is not representive of what the Lakers will look like in the future. You need to give both Brown and the team a full season to show their real identity.
I actually think the opposite. I think this year pretty clearly showed what the future hold. Brown will keep trying to focus the team towards the defensive side and continue to fail as the players tune him out and focus more on offense.
There's simply too much working against a defense-oriented approach. Our main star, Kobe, is an offense first player. Our upcoming star, Bynum, cannot help but learn from that and follow in Kobe's footsteps. With a decade of the triangle, there is a deeply ingrained history of offense over defense. Los Angeles is not a blue-collar grind-it-out city - the fans clamor for offense over defense.
I don't think even the hiring of Mike Brown was predicated on Buss buying into his defense-first approach. After hearing about Jim Buss's proclivity for numbers & stats and initially approaching personnel decision via his formulas, I think Mike Brown was hired because he was a like-minded numbers-oriented guy. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 06:10 PM PST
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I believe that the Lakers do have an identity. The identity is an in progress attempt to become a defensive team and because D is harder to accomplish than O it is going to take until next year for this to become a reality. We have seen glimpses of the defense in games this year but it takes the mind time to make it instinctive. Next year will be a normal year where practice will cause this new scheme to blossem, so this year is not representive of what the Lakers will look like in the future. You need to give both Brown and the team a full season to show their real identity.
Marvin,
Yep. I agree that Brown's chosen identity for this team, if he can develop it is a defensive identity. I also agree with you that I give him another year to see what he can do. I mean he has this new team, new system, everything new for players and coaches. I am not sh*t canning him for having a pretty good year in a truncated season where he had no time to drill and do what he wanted to inculcate this team in. I will not judge him on that. I gladly will give him that full training camp and year to do his thing and get it going. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 08:53 PM PST
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gastank wrote:
maraud wrote:
I believe that the Lakers do have an identity. The identity is an in progress attempt to become a defensive team and because D is harder to accomplish than O it is going to take until next year for this to become a reality. We have seen glimpses of the defense in games this year but it takes the mind time to make it instinctive. Next year will be a normal year where practice will cause this new scheme to blossem, so this year is not representive of what the Lakers will look like in the future. You need to give both Brown and the team a full season to show their real identity.
I actually think the opposite. I think this year pretty clearly showed what the future hold. Brown will keep trying to focus the team towards the defensive side and continue to fail as the players tune him out and focus more on offense.
There's simply too much working against a defense-oriented approach. Our main star, Kobe, is an offense first player. Our upcoming star, Bynum, cannot help but learn from that and follow in Kobe's footsteps. With a decade of the triangle, there is a deeply ingrained history of offense over defense. Los Angeles is not a blue-collar grind-it-out city - the fans clamor for offense over defense.
I don't think even the hiring of Mike Brown was predicated on Buss buying into his defense-first approach. After hearing about Jim Buss's proclivity for numbers & stats and initially approaching personnel decision via his formulas, I think Mike Brown was hired because he was a like-minded numbers-oriented guy.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but in looking to Drews first tripple double, it shows that he has already boughjt into it. Kobe also has bought into it per his approval of the coach and his claim that he has learned a lot from Brown. I guess that is why God made chocolate and vinella. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 08:57 PM PST
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SPQR wrote:
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I believe that the Lakers do have an identity. The identity is an in progress attempt to become a defensive team and because D is harder to accomplish than O it is going to take until next year for this to become a reality. We have seen glimpses of the defense in games this year but it takes the mind time to make it instinctive. Next year will be a normal year where practice will cause this new scheme to blossem, so this year is not representive of what the Lakers will look like in the future. You need to give both Brown and the team a full season to show their real identity.
Marvin,
Yep. I agree that Brown's chosen identity for this team, if he can develop it is a defensive identity. I also agree with you that I give him another year to see what he can do. I mean he has this new team, new system, everything new for players and coaches. I am not sh*t canning him for having a pretty good year in a truncated season where he had no time to drill and do what he wanted to inculcate this team in. I will not judge him on that. I gladly will give him that full training camp and year to do his thing and get it going.
Randy,
I too am patiently waiting to see if what Brown can do next year. There are no guarantees in life but I am rooting for him. After years of aginizing through PJ and Winter's tripple post, the team needs a change. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 09:01 PM PST
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maraud wrote:
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but in looking to Drews first tripple double, it shows that he has already boughjt into it. Kobe also has bought into it per his approval of the coach and his claim that he has learned a lot from Brown. I guess that is why God made chocolate and vinella.
Don't get me wrong, I would love to be proven wrong and the playoffs certainly have started that way.
I hope the team can keep up the defensive intensity to a championship, and then carry it over to defend the title next season. But until he gets a championship, I can't see Brown having enough clout to fully get Bynum's buy-in. |
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Posted: Apr 29, 2012 - 11:56 PM PST
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Bynum was fantastic today and that is why the team won so easy. He rebounded and played the best defense I have seen him blocking shots one after another. That is the Bynum that will win us a championship. Lakers had plenty of offense. But I will stick to my guns that defense is what wins games. The Lakers played the perfect game. Offense was distributed to every player pretty even. Kobe the facilitator until the forth quarter where he started driving and scoring in the paint. Afflalo was guarding him pretty close on the perimeter, but he would take the shot and get fouled. So he figured he would get his points one way or the other.
I liked when Kobe got Blake to spot up and Kobe fed him the ball for three point shots. That is what I want to see Blake do more. Great Great game. |
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 - 12:29 AM PST
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If the Lakers were getting setup like the Heat are right now then yeah we could win it. LOL
I'm totally kidding with that statement. I think we have a good shot at it. It will be tough, it all depends on our team play. Not individual but team. |
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 - 12:42 AM PST
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That is how championships are won. It takes each individual team member to do his job. Todays game they all pitched in as a team. If one player was doubled, the open player made them pay.
But lets not just give credit to the big three. There were other team members that done a good job. Ebanks has been playing great. Hill has been a very good rebounder and plays good defense, can score under the basket, but don't give him the ball way out in the perimeter. He is not a good perimeter shooter. Over all I think he has played better then Murphy would have. Session played real good today and it seems like he is not favoring his shoulder anymore. Barnes played good defense, but I noticed that all his three point shots were short and that could be because of his sprained ankle. But even then he played good defense. So it was a team effort. Kobe was having trouble at first with Afflalo, but he found a way to score wheather it was a free throw on a missed shot, but he managed to get to the free through line. But now I notice that he scored up in the thirties, so I guess after I left he must have caught on fire. That is the sign of a great leader. |
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 - 04:52 AM PST
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Bynum dominating in the defence
Gasol having 7 assists
Kobe scoring 31
Sessions scoring,running and dishing assists
E-Banks giving energy from the bench
This is the Lakers identity, if we play like this we can win it! |
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 - 08:21 AM PST
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I did not answer in the affirmative. I think they can because of the much better blend of youth and experienced players on the team now, and with the big three healthier all at once than at any time in the last three years. That said, the Championship is a tall hill, and San Antonio is, in my mind, in the Lakers heads. But I'm excited!
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Hey Randy,
Thanks. My wife actually got the tickets through work for my birthday, she works for Sony Motion Pictures. We stayed in the Marriott right across the street, befor ethe game they have like a Laker pep rally out there, man it was great!!! I even met Anthony Davis in the lobby of the hotel the day of the game. great trip buddy, if they could only have won. I'll take a championship instead though  |
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Posted: Apr 30, 2012 - 02:05 PM PST
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Paul,
Man, that sounds incrediable. In all my many years as a Lakers fan, have never seen them in person. They just won't play in PA, lol.
Sounds like you had the top flight thing on there. That was one hell of a birthday present from your wife. Those are the kind you don't forget. As for not winning, eh, hope it didn't really bother you. Just going there, seeing it live from that incrediable vantage point was the thing. Sometimes they win, sometimes the lose. But that was one amazing trip for you. Wish I had been there too, lol. |
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Posted: May 01, 2012 - 08:08 PM PST
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SPQR,
I have to agree with you on Brown. He finally played Jordan Hill, and he has been a good defensive presence off the bench! He defiantly took any confidences of G-Lock had and put it down the drain! Anyways, I hope for Browns sake the Lakers show a decent defensive performs like game one throughout the playoffs. He been a sub-par coach in my opinion. |
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Posted: May 01, 2012 - 08:21 PM PST
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I have to disagree to under mine coach Brown yet. You got to realize this has been a compressed season. No preseason to get to know each other. New players and older players that were used to the triangle. "A completely different system. So I would not judge coach Brown until he has a full regular season. Right now the way I look at it, we are lucky that the Lakers even made the playoffs. The jury is still our, so lets not jump to conclusions.
Who knows, maybe this team is gelling at the right time. And if they go all the way, then those that are critical of his coaching will have to eat crow.
In a way I can see why he decided to go with experience at first, but the MWP incidence might have been a blessing in disguise, because he was forced to play Ebanks and J Hill which opened some eyes that these two players were hungry to show their talents. So lets not be judgemental about M Brown. |
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Posted: May 02, 2012 - 12:33 AM PST
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Axle,
I want to eat crow, and I hope Mike Brown can show many skeptical Laker fans he is legit! You see, I live in Vegas, and have ran into many Laker fans, most do not have many good things to say about him. But I do hope he will change my opinion, what better way than winning in the playoffs! |
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