It's time for Kobe to let Andrew Bynum drive B4 it's 2 late.
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Post Subject: It's time for Kobe to let Andrew Bynum drive B4 it's 2 late.
 Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 11:16 PM PST
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Kobe has the ability to get his 6th ring, but I don't see it happening this way. He wants to win it while being the man. He wants to be the hero and the general when actually it's Bynum's turn. I don't blame him for wanting the glory and the recognition, but at this stage in his life he has to be reasonable.
It's time to let the others help him. It sucks because I'm a big fan of the dude, but sometimes he just makes me want to pull my hair out. He's shown glimpses of trusting his team mates, and he seems to be doing it more every week, but I still don't see him letting others thrive once the playoffs come.
I just don't trust that he will put his ego aside and let the bigs bring him to the promise land. I can see another episode of last season in the playoffs with Kobe shooting too much, thus leading the others to play sh*tty defense because they are not involved in the offense. Frustration ensues, Drew knocks someone on his a** and you know the rest.. I hope I'm wrong, but I just haven't seen enough yet to change my mind.
It's time to hand Drew the keys and let him drive. It's time for Kobe to move to the passenger seat and assist Drew in leading us to victory, otherwise we will crash and burn.
Do you all really want us to crash and burn? If you do, then your happy with the way things are going and are satisfied with Kobe getting the scoring crown. If that's enough for you, then I apologize because I am way off. Please forgive me if the scoring title does it for you.
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I know it's been said before, but I wanted to get my point across, my way. It just seems that some of you will be happy with Kobe getting the scoring title at any expense. You seem to be content in that fact by repeating it post after post; "Kobe's the scoring leader, nuff said". You know who you are, but what the hell does that mean?... I want a frigging ring, not a damn scoring title. |
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Post Subject: RE: It's time for Kobe to let Andrew Bynum drive B4 it's 2 l
Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 11:42 PM PST
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Hey partyman, so you can get some posts on your thread, I'll entertain your topic. You state that Kobe being the NBA leading scorer is a detriment to the team?? Last time I checked we still are the 3rd seed in the league, and lead our own Division. Last time I checked Kobe scored 40 pts yesterday against GSW, without AB, and we still won, the game prior to that, Kobe hit the game winning shot, despite only scoring 11pts.
If you honestly think Kobe is all about winning scoring titles, than you dont really know Kobe. If it was all about scoring title, he even said it himself, he could win the scoring title every year. And it's funny how you blame Kobe shooting too much, as an excuse for his teams bad defense...I'm sorry but when you say stuff like that, you show your lack of basketball knowledge.
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
Case Closed!!! |
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Posted: Apr 02, 2012 - 11:55 PM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
Hey partyman, so you can get some posts on your thread, I'll entertain your topic. You state that Kobe being the NBA leading scorer is a detriment to the team?? Last time I checked we still are the 3rd seed in the league, and lead our own Division. Last time I checked Kobe scored 40 pts yesterday against GSW, without AB, and we still won, the game prior to that, Kobe hit the game winning shot, despite only scoring 11pts.
If you honestly think Kobe is all about winning scoring titles, than you dont really know Kobe. If it was all about scoring title, he even said it himself, he could win the scoring title every year. And it's funny how you blame Kobe shooting too much, as an excuse for his teams bad defense...I'm sorry but when you say stuff like that, you show your lack of basketball knowledge.
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
Case Closed!!!
It wouldn't be handed to someone who just got their license. It would be handed to someone who is the best center in the league. Sometimes people have to hand their keys over when they can no longer drive the way they used too. I'm not talking about racing a team like the Warriors, I am talking about racing against a team like the Thunder or the Heat.
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:02 AM PST
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Haha..my bad you said you were talking about the best center in the league, which is Howard, and all this time I thought you were talking about Bynum. I guess your right the NBA leading scorer, and 5th all-time scorer in NBA history, who is still only 33 yrs old and is still leading the Laker team should hand over the keys to someone, who can't even play an entire season without injury, and doesnt even joing his team huddles or pregame warmups.
But I guess partyman, based on your name, you must be a guy that hands a keys to someone who just drank too much in a party.
Also, by the way how did your team the Thunder do tonight? And how about them Heat, how did they fair against the Celtics, an aging team??
Good try bro, but leave the debates to the experts!...lmao. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:18 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
Haha..my bad you said you were talking about the best center in the league, which is Howard, and all this time I thought you were talking about Bynum. I guess your right the NBA leading scorer, and 5th all-time scorer in NBA history, who is still only 33 yrs old and is still leading the Laker team should hand over the keys to someone, who can't even play an entire season without injury, and doesnt even joing his team huddles or pregame warmups.
But I guess partyman, based on your name, you must be a guy that hands a keys to someone who just drank too much in a party.
Also, by the way how did your team the Thunder do tonight? And how about them Heat, how did they fair against the Celtics, an aging team??
Good try bro, but leave the debates to the experts!...lmao.
Sure they lost to those teams tonight, but the Thunder beat us, with Kobe leading. Why can't Kobe lead us to a victory over the Thunder if he still has it? Why can the Grizzlies beat the Thunder, but Kobe can't. Explain it in detail dude, please. Enlighten me.
The leader of our team can't take us through the Thunder, but Memphis can? Your argument goes against your theory. The 2 games against the Thunder this year Kobe went 14 for 50, and Drew went 15 for 30.. This proves my point.
Kobe can go nuts against a crappy team, but goes numb against a great team. Please explain that too me bro. Why did Kobe go 14 for 50 against the Thunder, and did great both times against the Warriors. I'm listening Mr. expert. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:19 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
But I guess partyman, based on your name, you must be a guy that hands a keys to someone who just drank too much in a party.
Also, by the way how did your team the Thunder do tonight? And how about them Heat, how did they fair against the Celtics, an aging team??
Good try bro, but leave the debates to the experts!...lmao.
Cmon man, and then you say you dont make fun of people.
Having a different opinion than the OP doesnt make you an expert. the man should have the right to an opinion without being mocked |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:20 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
I have to agree with this. Bynum keeps showing how childish he is. Bynum is a GREAT player, when his head is in the game. However Bynum frequently displays a lack of intrest in the game, with what seems to me as an observer of the game as lazy play. I find myself yelling at my TV when I see Bynum just watch an opponent grab a rebound, or as he slowley jogs to the other side of the court. If Bynum would crash the boards every time kinda how McRoberts trys to his rebound stats would be off the charts. Last point: We have proved that we can win without Bynum, but cant say the same for Kobe. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:29 AM PST
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cm22 wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
I have to agree with this. Bynum keeps showing how childish he is. Bynum is a GREAT player, when his head is in the game. However Bynum frequently displays a lack of intrest in the game, with what seems to me as an observer of the game as lazy play. I find myself yelling at my TV when I see Bynum just watch an opponent grab a rebound, or as he slowley jogs to the other side of the court. If Bynum would crash the boards every time kinda how McRoberts trys to his rebound stats would be off the charts. Last point: We have proved that we can win without Bynum, but cant say the same for Kobe.
Do you mean that we won without Drew against the Warriors? Is that a big feat? It's not like we beat the Spurs or the Heat without him. Let's get real please. I understand and appreciate your opinion, but come on. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:35 AM PST
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@partyman
Sure they lost to those teams tonight, but the Thunder beat us, with Kobe leading. Why can't Kobe lead us to a victory over the Thunder if he still has it? Why can the Grizzlies beat the Thunder, but Kobe can't. Explain it in detail dude, please. Enlighten me.
The leader of our team can't take us through the Thunder, but Memphis can? Your argument goes against your theory. The 2 games against the Thunder this year Kobe went 14 for 50, and Drew went 15 for 30.. This proves my point.
Kobe can go nuts against a crappy team, but goes numb against a great team. Please explain that too me bro. Why did Kobe go 14 for 50 against the Thunder, and did great both times against the Warriors. I'm listening expert.
Um because Basketball is a TEAM game along with youth and athleticism? THe grizzlies are a younger team than the lakers maybe and are able to keep up with the thunder? LOL just because kobe cant lead his team against the thunder doesn't mean he has to give up the keys... everyone knows no one can do it themselves. You don't give enough credit to the Thunders and the grizzlies. The grizzlies were missing key players constantly this year and are finally getting their players back who are showing they can be healthy. You forget the thunder and grizzlies series went 7 games last year so its not like the grizzlies are a push off team. It's a no brainer that Kobe is not the same as he use to be and what we're use to seeing, but passing the torch and giving the keys to bynum because kobe can't lead us pass good teams is ridiculous. It's not just kobe it's the whole team.. we are not as GOOD as we use to be. Add that with new coaching in a shortened season, this performance is expected, YET we are still 3rd in the West. There's obvious chemistry and team issues but Kobe is still a top 10 player and a high tier player in this league regardless of his shooting woes. His defense is a liability but he's still the BEST player on our team. Bynum is good and can become the best Center in the league, but dude is unproven and yes we all agree eventually kobe needs to slow it down and pass the keys to bynum. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 12:56 AM PST
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VN47:
I'm hearing everything your saying. But I can't get past those numbers. Our leader goes 14 for 50? That means he shot an average of 25 shots each game and ultimately shot us out of those games. I know it takes a team, but if your leader sucks it up, how the heck can you expect the others to follow? In his day he would of gone 35 for 50 and would of lost because he had no help. Now he has help but yet all he can do is 14 for 50. If our leader does that in the playoffs, we are screwed. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 01:12 AM PST
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| What you guys don't realize is that Kobe earned the right to be the leader of the Lakers. How many times has Andrew Bynum been on the all-defensive first team? It just seems kind of immature to always discuss who is taking the most shots. The reason why Kobe will be the leader of the Lakers until he retires is because he plays with more energy and determination than any other player in the whole league. If we would have added Chris Paul, then you could have had an argument there, but Andrew is not on those guys level mentally (ON BOTH ENDS OF THE COURT FOR 48 MINS) and that's a problem. This inspires me to write a thread. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 02:03 AM PST
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lakerpartyman wrote:
cm22 wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
I have to agree with this. Bynum keeps showing how childish he is. Bynum is a GREAT player, when his head is in the game. However Bynum frequently displays a lack of intrest in the game, with what seems to me as an observer of the game as lazy play. I find myself yelling at my TV when I see Bynum just watch an opponent grab a rebound, or as he slowley jogs to the other side of the court. If Bynum would crash the boards every time kinda how McRoberts trys to his rebound stats would be off the charts. Last point: We have proved that we can win without Bynum, but cant say the same for Kobe.
Do you mean that we won without Drew against the Warriors? Is that a big feat? It's not like we beat the Spurs or the Heat without him. Let's get real please. I understand and appreciate your opinion, but come on.
Okay, I'll play along...
Last season(play offs included) the lakers played a total of 92 games. Bynum played a total of 64 games. With Bynum we were a .625 team. Without Bynum we were a .750 team. Overall we were a .663 team.
Since you are intrested in our wins and losses against the Spurs and Heat: We meet both the Heat And The Spurs a total of 6 times last year. 2 against the heat and 4 against the Spurs. Bynum played in all 6 games. We lost both times against the Heat, and we beat the Spurs twice. However in the win against the Spurs on 4-12-2011 Bynum only played 13 minutes(see the quote from the game recap below if you forgot why).
"Kobe Bryant scored 27 points, but Bynum hyperextended his right knee in the two-time defending NBA champions' 102-93 victory over the San Antonio Spurs"
I think that is enough to say we can win without Bynum. Please show me when we have proved we can win without Kobe. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 03:56 AM PST
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I just finished the Magic/Larry book called something like "When the game was ours." Great book, I recommend it.
In it Magic talked about the relationship he had with Kareem. The situation was a bit reversed because the center was older than the guard, but the dynamic of a star center and guard of different ages playing together is very similar.
They both made their playing relationship work so well because neither of them ever looked at it as someone having to give or give up the keys, even in Kareem's later stages (which is why they were able to beat Detroit in 1988.)
As a huge UCLA basketball fan, I loved Kareem from the day he became a Laker. When Magic joined the team it was easy for me to love him for more than just his otherworldly play (42 points as center in game 7? what???), but because of the way he treated Kareem the superstar and later elder statesman. Jumping into this arms, calling him Big Guy and especially Cap (SHOWING respect for Kareem's team rank). You could feel Magic 's love and respect because it was genuine...to the end. Kareem didn't wear it on his sleeve like Magic, but you always knew he appreciated Magic's treatment of him, and he always had Magic's back.
Brilliant by Magic, because this set the stage for their whole time together where there was never ego between them, but rather cooperation to achieving a goal. A tone was set for a mindset between the two of them where they were both dedicated to winning first. Magic would feed Kareem all night and help him to score 40 points, if there was a mismatch to exploit, and the same the other way. Kareem never felt he was giving up anything glory or ego related when Magic got the headlines for a great night, because the glory was in winning.
Their minds were always focused on what can they do to outdo the other team. Whatever that was, that's what they did. And of course it was completely absorbed by all the other Lakers, and instead of having a "I want the keys, no I should have the keys", while the rest of the team is bee bopping around trying to figure out what to do, they were all about winning as a TEAM.
When the mindset is about who gets the d@mn keys, the team is doomed...because that's not what being a real team is about. It's about everybody has the damn keys, and the driver is the team. Yeah, Magic ran the offense as the point guard, and Kareem anchored the defense as the center, but every single player was of the mindset that at any given moment they'd make their contributions and so they did, because their heads were totally into the game every second. Can you imagine how long you'd last on a Magic team if you didn't?
Sorry so long, just really saying that, yes, you will have your leaders, and your stars, and they will control more of the flow and probably score more, but they never think in terms of keys. They are winners because their focus is on what EVERYONE needs to do to get to the promised land, and helping them do it, not thinking about themselves and satisfying their egos but wanting everyone on the team to be great. Because always first and foremost, they want to win.
Kobe's got the keys...won't get it done. Give Drew the keys, won't get there. They either learn to work together, complimenting and contributing to each other's best attributes, and bringing in the rest of the team as respected contributing members, or they are toast. Kobe and Drew both know this, they've been there before. It's up to them to make it happen just as Magic and Kareem did. |
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| These posts about Bynum leading and taking the throne are getting ridiculous. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 09:07 AM PST
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| Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane? |
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Ryu wrote:
Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane?
I agree he's not worth the risk,as good as people say he is we should be a to get a couple of all-stars for him..being the 7ft1 beast he is. Lol |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 10:02 AM PST
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Ryu wrote:
Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane?
Sadly, Ryu has thrown a dragon punch that missed the mark which has left him open to a counter-attack and now Sagat shall counter.
Pau plays better because he's getting more touches, just like Drew plays better without Pau because he's getting more touches. Both these talented players fight for table scraps after Kobe's 20-23 shot attempts that are taken whenever he decides to take them.
Also Drew clogs up the lane on defense, something Pau doesn't know anything about.
Lucky for Ryu I only decided to counter with a tiger knee and not a full fledge tiger uppercut. |
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ItsShowtyme wrote:
Kobe's got the keys...won't get it done. Give Drew the keys, won't get there. They either learn to work together, complimenting and contributing to each other's best attributes, and bringing in the rest of the team as respected contributing members, or they are toast. Kobe and Drew both know this, they've been there before. It's up to them to make it happen just as Magic and Kareem did.
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 10:48 AM PST
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gemfow wrote:
Ryu wrote:
Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane?
Sadly, Ryu has thrown a dragon punch that missed the mark which has left him open to a counter-attack and now Sagat shall counter.
Pau plays better because he's getting more touches, just like Drew plays better without Pau because he's getting more touches. Both these talented players fight for table scraps after Kobe's 20-23 shot attempts that are taken whenever he decides to take them.
Also Drew clogs up the lane on defense, something Pau doesn't know anything about.
Lucky for Ryu I only decided to counter with a tiger knee and not a full fledge tiger uppercut.
Drew could be the better player, yes, but thats only if he can stay healthy. He would also bring back alot more in a trade then pau would making the team even better. |
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Posted: Apr 03, 2012 - 11:35 AM PST
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lakerpartyman wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
Haha..my bad you said you were talking about the best center in the league, which is Howard, and all this time I thought you were talking about Bynum. I guess your right the NBA leading scorer, and 5th all-time scorer in NBA history, who is still only 33 yrs old and is still leading the Laker team should hand over the keys to someone, who can't even play an entire season without injury, and doesnt even joing his team huddles or pregame warmups.
But I guess partyman, based on your name, you must be a guy that hands a keys to someone who just drank too much in a party.
Also, by the way how did your team the Thunder do tonight? And how about them Heat, how did they fair against the Celtics, an aging team??
Good try bro, but leave the debates to the experts!...lmao.
Sure they lost to those teams tonight, but the Thunder beat us, with Kobe leading. Why can't Kobe lead us to a victory over the Thunder if he still has it? Why can the Grizzlies beat the Thunder, but Kobe can't. Explain it in detail dude, please. Enlighten me.
The leader of our team can't take us through the Thunder, but Memphis can? Your argument goes against your theory. The 2 games against the Thunder this year Kobe went 14 for 50, and Drew went 15 for 30.. This proves my point.
Kobe can go nuts against a crappy team, but goes numb against a great team. Please explain that too me bro. Why did Kobe go 14 for 50 against the Thunder, and did great both times against the Warriors. I'm listening Mr. expert.
First of all Partyman, I appreciate your effort in trying to debate me, and let me know if you get offended by my humor. But, as some have already pointed out. You can't just look at FG% or FGA and a couple losses to a team, to say Kobe is the reason we lost.
Yes Kobe is the leader of this team, but as a team, you need everyone to do there part in order to be successful. What I've been trying to debate with everyone here, who keep crying for AB to be the "Man" or get more shots than Kobe, is that Bynum is not ready...not only physically but more importantly mentally.
AB has proven in the past couple weeks, why is mentality is weak, and is very fragile....even Kobe knows that, thats why he is trying to be supportive of the big fellow, eventhough he knows he is screwing things up for the team.
Like I said, Kobe is our leader, he is our best offensive player, hands down. With the ball in his hands, he can create the best opportunity for our team, whether that is for himself, or for others on the team. Even without the ball in his hands, but him on the court, defense can not sag off him, or lose focus off him, thats what gives guys like Pau, and AB and others room to roam, and get good scoring position.
Our offense gets stagnant, when we try to always force feed Bynum, because it is easy for team to just double team AB, in which he holds the ball to long, causing either a turnover, or having to pass to Kobe for a last second shot (which explains part of his bad FG%).
I know there are some here who have not witnessed Kobe his entire 16 yrs, or maybe are just bored, and want someone knew to cheer for. But, the fact remains, we will only go as far as Kobe will take us.
But, with Kobe's resume...I trust him, over someone who not only got his Driver's license recently, but also needs glasses to drive. |
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Ryu: Why would a team who has a 280 pound center trade him in a league that has only a few legit centers? You don't trade a guy who gets double and triple teamed. How often do you see Pau doubled?
How many games did Drew miss due to injury last season? I don't mean the beginning of the season when he was still rehabbing either. How many games has Drew missed this season? Drew really hasn't had another bad injury in 1.5 seasons. I knocked on wood when typing this. |
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gemfow wrote:
Ryu: Why would a team who has a 280 pound center trade him in a league that has only a few legit centers? You don't trade a guy who gets double and triple teamed. How often do you see Pau doubled?
How many games did Drew miss due to injury last season? I don't mean the beginning of the season when he was still rehabbing either. How many games has Drew missed this season? Drew really hasn't had another bad injury in 1.5 seasons. I knocked on wood when typing this.
I'm sorry gemfow, but what are you talking about??? Andrew Playing 1.5 seasons, I can't compute your math |
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gemfow wrote:
Ryu: Why would a team who has a 280 pound center trade him in a league that has only a few legit centers? You don't trade a guy who gets double and triple teamed. How often do you see Pau doubled?
How many games did Drew miss due to injury last season? I don't mean the beginning of the season when he was still rehabbing either. How many games has Drew missed this season? Drew really hasn't had another bad injury in 1.5 seasons. I knocked on wood when typing this.
I think Gem, you are right, why would you trade a 280lb center, especially in this league. I dont think people would want us to trade AB for just a scrub. But, if you can get one of the best dominant centers in the league in Howard, or even get a more defensive minded Center, and a couple assets in return, you have to be crazy not to consider that.
This league is changing, it's not like the 80's, where games were played differently, and having a good post up player really increased your chances of winning. The game now, because of the new rules, ex. 3 sec rules, 5 sec rule, etc, favors more of a hybrid center, that can hit a mid range jump shot. You look at the elite teams in the league, I dont think anyone would argue, that they have elite centers...Bulls=Noah,OKC=Perkins,Heat=Anthony,Spurs=Splitter, but why are they successful??
Yes we are fortunate to have two 7 footers on this team, but the fact remains, that also hurts us defensively alot of times, because our Bigs are slow on pick and rolls, and in general do not do a consistent job in blockign shots or patrolling the paint. |
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Bynum stats make him look like he could be the best center in the league because kobe and gasol take all the pressure off of him. half his points are wide open dunks. When he is the go to guy when kobe and gasol are on the bench. he can't score they trap him with a double team right away and he turns the ball over. He is one of the laziest players in the whole NBA.
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Bynum stats make him look like he could be the best center in the league because kobe and gasol take all the pressure off of him. half his points are wide open dunks. When he is the go to guy when kobe and gasol are on the bench. he can't score they trap him with a double team right away and he turns the ball over. He is one of the laziest players in the whole NBA.
if u watch his play and not his stats he is not a great center.
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Sizzld wrote:
Bigsexxy wrote:
Bynum stats make him look like he could be the best center in the league because kobe and gasol take all the pressure off of him. half his points are wide open dunks. When he is the go to guy when kobe and gasol are on the bench. he can't score they trap him with a double team right away and he turns the ball over. He is one of the laziest players in the whole NBA.
if u watch his play and not his stats he is not a great center.
I agree totally,a dominant center can do other things when he's not scoring besides sulk
Haha, good one Sizzld. Don't get me wrong, I like what Bynum has done for us this year, but I honestly believe that if we had a more defensive minded center, like Chandler, Noah, or maybe next years #1 Pick A. Davis from Kentucky, we would actually be a better team, defensively, and offensively as well.
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Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane?
I agree. I was a big supporter of acquiring Howard at the deadline and will continue to be a huge supporter for D12. The reasons are obvious by now. IMO Bynum should be traded while his value is at an all-time high. Lakers can't afford to wait too long. BTW I would trade AB for Anthony Davis in a HEARTBEAT on draft night, just saying. |
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And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
I have to agree with this. Bynum keeps showing how childish he is. Bynum is a GREAT player, when his head is in the game. However Bynum frequently displays a lack of intrest in the game, with what seems to me as an observer of the game as lazy play. I find myself yelling at my TV when I see Bynum just watch an opponent grab a rebound, or as he slowley jogs to the other side of the court. If Bynum would crash the boards every time kinda how McRoberts trys to his rebound stats would be off the charts. Last point: We have proved that we can win without Bynum, but cant say the same for Kobe.
how many times did kobe sabatoge games at the beginning of his career to send a message?
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Sadly i still kinda wished we traded bynum. Hes definitely good, but injury prone. Also you see how well pau plays when andrew is not cloging up the lane?
I agree. I was a big supporter of acquiring Howard at the deadline and will continue to be a huge supporter for D12. The reasons are obvious by now. IMO Bynum should be traded while his value is at an all-time high. Lakers can't afford to wait too long. BTW I would trade AB for Anthony Davis in a HEARTBEAT on draft night, just saying.
Man KBp24, I love your honesty. I too wouldnt hesitate to get Unibrow on our team. Man that guy is going to be a stud!! I mean he clearly dominated the game, eventhough he only shot 1-10. That is what this Laker team needs from there big guys, especially while we still have Kobe in his prime for the 3 years or so. |
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+"Kobe has the ability to get his 6th ring, but I don't see it happening this way. He wants to win it while being the man. He wants to be the hero and the general when actually it's Bynum's turn. I don't blame him for wanting the glory and the recognition, but at this stage in his life he has to be reasonable. "
--Michael Jordan never averaged 20 FGA, he averaged 22.9. Kobe averages 19.6 FGA. Even from the time he came back after his first hiatus, he averaged 46%FG shooting and 22 FGA. Give Kobe a break. Kobe's always trimmed his shots and it's proof evident throughout his career. He's sacrificed and played within his means his entire career, until this year when he has been vain about the way he plays. Even his FG% couldn't be completely blamed on his shot selection.
+"I just don't trust that he will put his ego aside and let the bigs bring him to the promise land. I can see another episode of last season in the playoffs with Kobe shooting too much, thus leading the others to play sh*tty defense because they are not involved in the offense. Frustration ensues, Drew knocks someone on his a** and you know the rest.."
--"Playig sh*tty defense" as a result of them not being involved on offense is a lame excuse. As I said, Kobe has shown he has deferred to others his entire career. He played 10 games last season in the playoffs and had 186 FGA's which comes out to 18.6 FGA per game in the playoffs. Also lack of defense and rotation came as a result of the anecdotal evidence brought about by people like Lamar Odom and Bynum who cited chemistry issues and lack of trust. Kobe can't shoot any less than he did during the playoffs, as I said 18.6 FGA, which is around 5 FGA less than he is shooting this season. Defense is strictly based on effort, and energy, which they did not have for most of the season, and by the time they capped the end of their 17-1 run or whatever it was, they went on to play sub .500 basketball to transition into the playoffs, peaking early and just too soon. Bynum knocking another player on his "a**" as you put it wouldn't have happened had they not been tired and rotated defensively to stop the point guards that kept putting on layup drills on 14 feet of length. Fisher couldn't stop them so someone else had to. Also Metta was not the same defensively and Kobe was not the same out of some knee injury or something with his leg, combined with fatigue, which just about everyone on the team had to an extent, further turning them into spectators on defense. One thing they clearly showed though, they collectively lacked hunger and drive, which Dallas had in spades. They never played that well all season, they just had a very good run. Putting someone on their a** is purely out of frustration to send a message to Dallas: F and you know the phrase. They were already down 3-0 in the series and had virtually no chance of coming back. I cheered for him when he did it, because I felt his frustration. But I also understood the consequences wouldn't be kind (he lost a sizeable amount of money) and the criticism coming our way wouldn't be kind either. But he can show his frustration and learn to channel it after that experience in the future: by changing the way he answers about his antics to the media to at least deflect some damage, with his current onslaught of controversy, you would think he cares what people think, he obviously does not, and his act is evidence of his carelessness either on the court, or outside when he lets his youth and cavalier attitude, take over his professionalism.
+"It's time to hand Drew the keys and let him drive. It's time for Kobe to move to the passenger seat and assist Drew in leading us to victory, otherwise we will crash and burn. "
--What does this mean? That it excuses him to do whatever he wants? "It's his franchise now?" . He's getting more shots than he's had in the past and shares shots with Pau Gasol. It's not like he's playing back in the Shaq days when one could pragmatically say he SHOULD get most of the shots because he's just that dominant and doesn't share looks with another former All-Star big. Defense is a mental thing, you are either engaged or you are not. Unlike offense you have to get in a rhythm, on defense you have to impose your will.
+"Do you all really want us to crash and burn? If you do, then your happy with the way things are going and are satisfied with Kobe getting the scoring crown. If that's enough for you, then I apologize because I am way off. Please forgive me if the scoring title does it for you."
-- What is this type of question leading to? Only person crashing and burning is Andrew Bynum. And he has had this type of attitude which has only escalated since he achieved his goal of going to the All-Star Game. His scoring, and increased role while filling it nicely has netted him that achievement. But where is his defense and rebounding come into play? Does it mean that if people give him more shots that there is evidence that he will habitually change his defensive habits and work ethic on that end of the floor? No it does not. Phi Jackson has tried to send this message across about his game long ago, if it were new, I would see the point about his role offensively, but that's two fruits of different barrels. Ron Artest gets very few shots, he is still very good defensively when HE IS ENGAGED. Which is psychologic in nature, one thing does not directly affect another, when you trully care and are engaged. Dwight Howard gets almost the same looks as Bynum with a fractional difference, he has been defensive player of the year out of the 400+ players in the league for threee years running. That's energy, that's hustle, and that's being engaged. You don't win it once, let alone two times if you aren't mentally engaged defensively. If Bynum were more engaged defensively, he would have a higher impact in the floor in help defense, not even 1-on-1 defense. He is not even good at doing that. He has not engaged himself rebounding the ball when dude's 7 feet and all he has to do is extend his arms. Kevin Love and others who're smaller like Rondo get incredible rebounds, why can't Bynum who's 24 increase that? Because he's not engaged physically or mentally. Or he is really not conditioned to commit to it for long stretches.
+"I know it's been said before, but I wanted to get my point across, my way. It just seems that some of you will be happy with Kobe getting the scoring title at any expense. "
--You got your point across. You want Bynum to have free-reign no questions asked, and not commit to defense unless he gets "his touches". One thing does not impact the other if he was more engaged defensively. You are not looking at the situation pragmatically you are looking at it as an excuse. Let me list you some centers who commit to defense constantly and at least take pride in protecting the rim: Dwight Howard, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bogut, Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan to name a few. Bynum has not even tried to protect the rim by timing his blocks, he will often come up to a guy on offense and block his shot 4 times out of 10 on help defense. He absolutely has never showed he's been able to consistently provide very good defense, he's just as consistent as Lamar Odom was on offense. |
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 Is partyman the same as lakeshowsd? I have a feeling lakeshowsd has different sign in. Because how come this guy shows up and lakeshowsd disappears.
But if not I will tell you why Bynum is not ready to take over. He needs to grow up first of all. And speeding away on his Farrari after he was told he was fined by the team is childish. If he does not want to play for the Lakers, I say trade his a** away. And he might anyways, because Mitch is freaking pissed because he didn't show up for his meeting. |
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styrokid wrote:
cm22 wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
And are you serious you want to hand AB the keys, would you hand someone the keys to your Ferrari, who just barely got his license??
I have to agree with this. Bynum keeps showing how childish he is. Bynum is a GREAT player, when his head is in the game. However Bynum frequently displays a lack of intrest in the game, with what seems to me as an observer of the game as lazy play. I find myself yelling at my TV when I see Bynum just watch an opponent grab a rebound, or as he slowley jogs to the other side of the court. If Bynum would crash the boards every time kinda how McRoberts trys to his rebound stats would be off the charts. Last point: We have proved that we can win without Bynum, but cant say the same for Kobe.
how many times did kobe sabatoge games at the beginning of his career to send a message?
it's just part of being a young up and coming superstar.
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| Yes great points of view Congo!! And yah I didnt even want to bother addressing that statement about Kobe sabatoging early in his career. |
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Tailspin wrote:
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Ryu: Why would a team who has a 280 pound center trade him in a league that has only a few legit centers? You don't trade a guy who gets double and triple teamed. How often do you see Pau doubled?
How many games did Drew miss due to injury last season? I don't mean the beginning of the season when he was still rehabbing either. How many games has Drew missed this season? Drew really hasn't had another bad injury in 1.5 seasons. I knocked on wood when typing this.
I'm sorry gemfow, but what are you talking about??? Andrew Playing 1.5 seasons, I can't compute your math
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Dassasins: why trade for Dwight when the league is changing and you need hybrid centers? You kind of wiped out your own statement about getting a dominant center like Dwight.
Bigsexxy: why would gems double a center like Bynum who is lazy? I'll show you why your statement is borderline silly. Teammates take the pressure off one another no matter what the team. If Ray Allen was in LA he would take reassure off a post player as well because he's a great shooter. Pau Gasol took the pressure off Kobe when he arrived as did Fish. Just like Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith and Mario Elie took pressure off Hakeem, you can't double and triple team him due to guys who can also play. Bynum has to learn how to pass out the traps, simple as that. However a poster like yourself just wants to take the time to post something that doesn't make a lot of sense. |
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gemfow wrote:
Dassasins: why trade for Dwight when the league is changing and you need hybrid centers? You kind of wiped out your own statement about getting a dominant center like Dwight.
Bigsexxy: why would gems double a center like Bynum who is lazy? I'll show you why your statement is borderline silly. Teammates take the pressure off one another no matter what the team. If Ray Allen was in LA he would take reassure off a post player as well because he's a great shooter. Pau Gasol took the pressure off Kobe when he arrived as did Fish. Just like Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith and Mario Elie took pressure off Hakeem, you can't double and triple team him due to guys who can also play. Bynum has to learn how to pass out the traps, simple as that. However a poster like yourself just wants to take the time to post something that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Well GEM,
Because Howard is DPOY, almost every year. Like I said teams that are successful right now, dont rely on there centers for points, they rely on there centers to rebound, block shots, and clog the paint. Which is exactly what Howard does night in and night out.
Also, Howard is more agile than Bynum, which means he can run the court on fastbreaks, as well as run back to stop transition baskets, unlike our bigs, who jog back in transition.
Also, Howard has started to develop a mid range game, yes it still needs improvement, but he has worked on that mid range bank shot.
But more importantly, with our Laker team, he would fit nicely, because since we already have Kobe, Pau, and now Sessions, Howard won't be needed as much to score points, but he will still get his points like AB does from alley oops, and easy looks from Kobe, Pau and Session. |
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Very good respond from Congocash.
Thank you for the kind words and recog. I guess people like the poster 'lakerpartyman' are trying very hard in every thread to blame Kobe for something that they can't accurately prove. As you can see, they are riddled with convoluted assumptions and predisposed, rehashed opinions, while taking a lot of time trying to find ways to overthink the room when a para-psychologist and 10 year old Laker fan could see the same things. What would it take for people to stop trying to run the same, tired,....Please log in to view the entire post.
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Hey Congo. Facts dont lie! Great job!...thats why it amazes me, why people continue to still blame kobe, and accuse him of shooting too much, what is the greatest scorer of this decade suppose to do now...pass the ball and become JKidd..lmao!!!
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DaAssasins wrote:
gemfow wrote:
Dassasins: why trade for Dwight when the league is changing and you need hybrid centers? You kind of wiped out your own statement about getting a dominant center like Dwight.
Bigsexxy: why would gems double a center like Bynum who is lazy? I'll show you why your statement is borderline silly. Teammates take the pressure off one another no matter what the team. If Ray Allen was in LA he would take reassure off a post player as well because he's a great shooter. Pau Gasol took the pressure off Kobe when he arrived as did Fish. Just like Vernon Maxwell, Kenny Smith and Mario Elie took pressure off Hakeem, you can't double and triple team him due to guys who can also play. Bynum has to learn how to pass out the traps, simple as that. However a poster like yourself just wants to take the time to post something that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Well GEM,
Because Howard is DPOY, almost every year. Like I said teams that are successful right now, dont rely on there centers for points, they rely on there centers to rebound, block shots, and clog the paint. Which is exactly what Howard does night in and night out.
Also, Howard is more agile than Bynum, which means he can run the court on fastbreaks, as well as run back to stop transition baskets, unlike our bigs, who jog back in transition.
Also, Howard has started to develop a mid range game, yes it still needs improvement, but he has worked on that mid range bank shot.
But more importantly, with our Laker team, he would fit nicely, because since we already have Kobe, Pau, and now Sessions, Howard won't be needed as much to score points, but he will still get his points like AB does from alley oops, and easy looks from Kobe, Pau and Session.
Very well put, but you neglected to put down something. Howard actually likes receiving the ball so he can score, he wouldn't want to become a Ben Wallace.
You're also a little off on something. Just because centers with back to the basket games aren't really as plentiful as they once were, it doesn't mean that they aren't wanted. This is why centers with serious game our taken so high in the draft. Usually a potentially great center will be drafted ahead of any other position. |
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gemfow wrote:
Very well put, but you neglected to put down something. Howard actually likes receiving the ball so he can score, he wouldn't want to become a Ben Wallace.
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Wow Kobe really needs to hand the keys over to Bynum. He is really getting old and no longer can be efficient in the offensive end...lmao.
Let's see last two games 26-44, 59%FG, 6-93ptFG.....64pts...Like I said, the reason his FG% is down, is because, there are two bigs in the lane, this last two games proves my point, when you only have one big in the game. |
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Posted: Apr 04, 2012 - 12:21 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
Wow Kobe really needs to hand the keys over to Bynum. He is really getting old and no longer can be efficient in the offensive end...lmao.
Let's see last two games 26-44, 59%FG, 6-93ptFG.....64pts...Like I said, the reason his FG% is down, is because, there are two bigs in the lane, this last two games proves my point, when you only have one big in the game.
Kobe really played to his strengths today, which is what all Lakers fans want him to do, and I'm extremely happy for that. However, if we're going to make comparisons here, if Bynum was playing and he put up those many points in the past two games, some people would be writing it off as just a byproduct of the Lakers playing the Warriors and the Nets. |
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Posted: Apr 04, 2012 - 01:01 AM PST
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thatguyoverthere wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
Wow Kobe really needs to hand the keys over to Bynum. He is really getting old and no longer can be efficient in the offensive end...lmao.
Let's see last two games 26-44, 59%FG, 6-93ptFG.....64pts...Like I said, the reason his FG% is down, is because, there are two bigs in the lane, this last two games proves my point, when you only have one big in the game.
Kobe really played to his strengths today, which is what all Lakers fans want him to do, and I'm extremely happy for that. However, if we're going to make comparisons here, if Bynum was playing and he put up those many points in the past two games, some people would be writing it off as just a byproduct of the Lakers playing the Warriors and the Nets.
It's not a matter of playing to his strengths, its a matter of how teams defend Kobe. They pretty much doubled him, when he got the ball in the second half, so he just does what he usually does, is give the ball away...which is the reason why the Nets was able to comeback.
As far as Bynum putting up those #'s, hes suppose to shoot a high%, he's a center, and most of his points come from the paint, ex. alley oops, dunks, little put backs. So there is no comparison between a Shooting guard shooting 59% over two games, and 67% from 3pt line.
Like I keep debating with others, it's not about how many shots Kobe takes, he's suppose to take shots, hes the shooting guard, and there leading scorer. It's about being put in the right positions, where he can be efficient, and not having to constantly bail the team out with last second shots.
As this last 2 games prove, the offense should run through Kobe, and in no way should Bynum be the #1 option, when you still have Kobe and even Pau. |
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Posted: Apr 04, 2012 - 02:54 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
It's not a matter of playing to his strengths, its a matter of how teams defend Kobe. They pretty much doubled him, when he got the ball in the second half, so he just does what he usually does, is give the ball away...which is the reason why the Nets was able to comeback.
As far as Bynum putting up those #'s, hes suppose to shoot a high%, he's a center, and most of his points come from the paint, ex. alley oops, dunks, little put backs. So there is no comparison between a Shooting guard shooting 59% over two games, and 67% from 3pt line.
Like I keep debating with others, it's not about how many shots Kobe takes, he's suppose to take shots, hes the shooting guard, and there leading scorer. It's about being put in the right positions, where he can be efficient, and not having to constantly bail the team out with last second shots.
As this last 2 games prove, the offense should run through Kobe, and in no way should Bynum be the #1 option, when you still have Kobe and even Pau.
Some people have double standards when criticizing Bynum but absolving Kobe of any mistakes. If Bynum didn't defend well, he done goofed. If Kobe shot multiple contested 3-pointers when he had ample time on the shotclock, he done goofed. Both should be held equally accountable, though one may have had more impact in a loss than the other, depending on the game.
The Nets came back because Williams went unconscious from 3 and Wallace made a few shots while the Lakers missed some shots, but there's no guarantee Kobe would have made those shots either. The #1 option should be fluid according to the game and not rigid in favor of one player, like today, with Ramon Sessions getting even more touches than Kobe did. The best thing is for the Lakers to switch the offense up to confuse the opponent, but that's on Brown, not Kobe. |
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Posted: Apr 04, 2012 - 04:34 AM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
As this last 2 games prove, the offense should run through Kobe, and in no way should Bynum be the #1 option, when you still have Kobe and even Pau.
No. The O should run through Pau. No questions asked. ALWAYS. Then Kobe or Sessions depending on how they're faring each game.
There's a reason why the team's movement suddenly looks so fluid when Pau's the one involved and sometimes downright pathetic ( like OKC Q3 ) when Pau's not involved.
Now, time for me to be the devil's advocate here! 
1. Do you think this team fares better with Pau making decisions from the post or from the mid-range to accommodate Bynum???
2. If Pau's having a bad game and Bynum is having a good one ( let's say Kobe's being Kobe ), would you risk taking out Pau ( and risk losing our ball movement and hence our scoring ) or would you risk making Bynum unhappy by making him play with the bench and let Pau get into the post areas and start to work his magic???
I know it's idiotic to think hypothetically because we need all 3 of them to play well together for us to win on most nights but it had me thinking......
3. Also, do you guys believe that on a bad stretch ( with this rotation ) for Kobe, LA can afford to play sans Kobe and that Sessions, MWP and Barnes can create enough spacing for our bigs to operate??? |
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