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Post Subject: Pau Gasol Trade Thread: News, Rumors, Discussions Post ID: 573805Posted: Jan 26, 2012 - 03:24 PM PST
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Could Lakers, Rockets Reignite Trade Talks?

By Eric Pincus

The Los Angeles Lakers have struggled so far this year, sitting at 11-8 after a tumultuous offseason.

For a moment, the team believed it had traded for Chris Paul. When the deal was scuttled by NBA commissioner David Stern, the Lakers traded Lamar Odom to the Dallas Mavericks for a first-round pick and a sizable trade exception worth $8.9 million.

Los Angeles remained comparatively weak at point guard (an understatement, at best).

With a 37-year-old Derek Fisher, an injured Steve Blake (ribs) and a couple of rookies in Darius Morris and Andrew Goudelock, the Lakers’....

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Kyle Lowry does't have a point guard mentality. His first reaction is to shoot first and we can't have nor do we want that.

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he average close to 9 assists and 7 rebounds? that's pretty impressive if you ask me. I'd take him and Scola any day

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Kyle Lowry does't have a point guard mentality. His first reaction is to shoot first and we can't have nor do we want that.


And yet he is a top 3 point guard in assists.
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Kyle Lowry does't have a point guard mentality. His first reaction is to shoot first and we can't have nor do we want that.


And yet he is a top 3 point guard in assists.


That may be true but C'mon, the FO don't want that and they want just settle. If the lakers are going to make a splash best believe it will be big and this isn't big in my opinion.

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Another speculative article on trades that won't happen... give me a break. I want some real Lakers news.
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I don't see Rockets trading Lowry, why take an age'n Gasol when you trade your best player. Gasol will have no one around him, they might as well grow around Lowry. Lowry IMO is the most underrated player in the league. If we can do this trade id be so down

Lakers get : Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu, Kyle Lowry
Magic get : Andrew Bynum, Kevin Martin, DAL 1st, LA 1st
Rockets get : Pau Gasol, Ramon Session, Devin Ebanks
Cavs get : Jordan Hill

Lowry / Blake / Fisher
Kobe / Gouldelocke
Barnes / Metta / Kapono
Turkoglu / McBob
Howard / Murphy

Magic get 2 solid players, plus 2 picks.
Rockets get all star Gasol, a solid PG too replace Lowry, and young Ebanks.
Cavs get bigger, they have too many guards.

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PlzOPH3T wrote:
Another speculative article on trades that won't happen... give me a break. I want some real Lakers news.


True Dat...

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Also like the article said, Scola is motivated and plays hard every night. I think Scola could rub off and Bynum. By that I mean it's easy for Bynum to not always play hard when an all-star that plays next to him in the paint tends to slack, but when a lesser player is giving it all he's got, Bynum will see that and elevate his game. At least I would hope so.

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id do it, but im not going to give hopes this time!
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Also like the article said, Scola is motivated and plays hard every night. I think Scola could rub off and Bynum. By that I mean it's easy for Bynum to not always play hard when an all-star that plays next to him in the paint tends to slack, but when a lesser player is giving it all he's got, Bynum will see that and elevate his game. At least I would hope so.


Andrew is one of the hardest working players in the NBA. Just look at his body and read about his Summer routines. Who wants to run up and down the court like some useless imbecile given Kobe's antics, previously Phil Jackson favoring more touches for Pau and Drew as a rebounder only, and now Mike Brown's lame offense? The context is like asking a bird not to fly. When he is rewarded he gets a spiring in his step.

I am aware and recognize that Andrew tends to lerch down the court. He must conserve energy given his huge body as well he has developed a few bad habits and he needs a psychological tweak. He's missing the second of 2 foulshots more often than not as well which is really odd. Make the first and miss the second? My point with all of this is the same as always. Imagine Andrew with D-Will or Ricky Rubio or Steve Nash or Tony Parker, the guys who makes other players better. I cannot recall since Magic who the Lakers have had with a similar attitude and skill. I am in favor of us getting Lowly or Conley as I have been saying for months. It certainly seems as if Brown has a problem with Ebanks as well his offense demands a facilitating point guard. My number one suggestion is to trade Kobe for a mother lode or secondly, a Gasol/Ebanks/Blake trade as many are now finally suggesting makes sense.
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Hey Walkin, are you related to Bynum, since you keep defending Bynum's lack of effort to Kobe all the time. And how can you call yourself a Laker fan, by even suggesting we trade Kobe, just so we can make your man crush Bynum the go to guy. That is probably the worse suggestion I've heard yet on this forum.
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Walkin" why would you trade Kobe... he help us get 5 Championship and still is an elite player. id trade Bynum in a heartbeat for Dhoward because we have the upper hand and chance and also for dwill for pau
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Hey Walkin, are you related to Bynum, since you keep defending Bynum's lack of effort to Kobe all the time. And how can you call yourself a Laker fan, by even suggesting we trade Kobe, just so we can make your man crush Bynum the go to guy. That is probably the worse suggestion I've heard yet on this forum.


^^

People can suggest or favor trading Kobe and still be true Laker fans. Such a distinction often separates regular Laker fans from Kobephile Laker fans.

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The Lakers would probably have to add in that 1st round pick from Dallas or something else to sweeten the deal... and I'm not sure I even like it to begin with. Pau should only go for something really special. He's one of the few players making our "offense" work in the slightest right now.

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LakerRRTX wrote:
The Lakers would probably have to add in that 1st round pick from Dallas or something else to sweeten the deal... and I'm not sure I even like it to begin with. Pau should only go for something really special. He's one of the few players making our "offense" work in the slightest right now.


Very true.
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Haterade wrote:
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Hey Walkin, are you related to Bynum, since you keep defending Bynum's lack of effort to Kobe all the time. And how can you call yourself a Laker fan, by even suggesting we trade Kobe, just so we can make your man crush Bynum the go to guy. That is probably the worse suggestion I've heard yet on this forum.


^^

People can suggest or favor trading Kobe and still be true Laker fans. Such a distinction often separates regular Laker fans from Kobephile Laker fans.


Agree. Dont get me wrong Kobe is one of my favorite players ever but LAKERS FIRST before anybody. If it means he gets traded to better the team so be it as a fan I'd live with it (it would be painful).
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Ill do that trade gasol Morris 1st round for lowry+scola

PG lowry
SG Kobe
SF barns
PF scola
C Bynum

And add some bench spark like smith or Chandler or Brooks and I think we are good to go one position scares me is the SF position but I like this line up against whoever defense we would get alot stronger and we have some offensive power also just no bench yet
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^^^^^^I would too!
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We do not need to mess with the core, we just need energy and good passing every game. If we had that, even derek fisher can be a threat.

Take the game against the clippers for example, fisher was open ALOT just because of the nice passing and aggression from Pau. If Pau plays like that every night, teams will have to start game planning for both Pau and Kobe and if you are double teaming them it leaves a lot of options open such as fisher and Bynum.

I do think we should look into our bench for more scoring options. If we can get a. Decent scoring option off the bench to compliment Goudilock we could be great. If you think about it, the bench is really what loses our games. We have no scoring off the bench and teams take advantage of that. Add in mcroberts energy, and MWP agression and we have a good bench.

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JChrist101 wrote:
We do not need to mess with the core, we just need energy and good passing every game. If we had that, even derek fisher can be a threat.

Take the game against the clippers for example, fisher was open ALOT just because of the nice passing and aggression from Pau. If Pau plays like that every night, teams will have to start game planning for both Pau and Kobe and if you are double teaming them it leaves a lot of options open such as fisher and Bynum.

I do think we should look into our bench for more scoring options. If we can get a. Decent scoring option off the bench to compliment Goudilock we could be great. If you think about it, the bench is really what loses our games. We have no scoring off the bench and teams take advantage of that. Add in mcroberts energy, and MWP agression and we have a good bench.


I pray we can JR Smith with McRambis MWP. That would be awesome!
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I doubt we get J.R smith. The guy commands more money, and he can drop 40 on any given night. If anybody I think Denver has a better chance of getting him, or the Knicks. I would like to receive Aaron Brooks or Kenyon Martin.

Kenyon Martin isn't the same player he once was but the guy can still produce, and play good defense. And Aaron brooks, well imagine having our own version of Mo Williams coming off the bench. He is the poor mans version of Mo Williams.

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id try to get chandler hed fit perfect in the laker uniform!
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I wish Houston would trade Lowry.......man he would fit in great with the purp n gold


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As stated before the rockets wanted to pair Pau with either Marc or Nene and do the twin towers thing, it only made sense for them to gut their roster for pau before the season because they could go out and sign replacements. Now that free agency is over it would be a horrible move for the rockets to give up Lowry + Scola + Lee or Williams for Pau.

But if Houston was still interested in reigniting this pre-season trade, It would solve our PG situation, but it more importantly solves our tenacity problem. Right now we have three consistent players who give it their all every night (Bryant, Barnes, and McRoberts). There is something to be said about this part of ones basketball game. It is used as a motivator for the team collective as well as can demoralize an opposing team (flat out make them tired on OFF/DEF). This is another reason why i think it is important to go after Howard in the long run.

Giving up Pau would be hard, but i feel to often he plays like the "Lion with no heart" from the Wizard of OZ (doesn't consistently play with passion, that and quickly loses confidence). I don't think he believes he is the best PF in the league and I think he can be, but unless he can get the Kobe mindset down, he will continue to fall short of what he is capable of (thus being a facilitator not the imposing force he can/needs to be).

As for Bynum... he just checks himself out sometimes. He can effect a game just as much as Dwight can, but he has to work on decision making under duress (force shots, and turnovers have been his outcomes). This is why if the front office is patient and strikes at the right time a possibility at Dwight (with the omission of Pau) is the right move.

The Laker's lack teeth... our team has the talent in my opinion to when a championship, but there is a missing mentality for a great portion of our roster. I think Scola and Lowry would bring us closer to being a contender than with our current roster. Pau is great, but his size and skill don't make up for our greatest need...tenacity! Plus Scola would still spread the floor which would give Bynum at least the same spacing he is currently getting (also making him the clear #2). Pau has also show that his size doesn't aid as much to our defense (Smaller forwards seem to put up decent numbers on him pretty consistently, 9/12 games Pau's man scored 15*ppg... where Scola's gave 3/10). The disparity is at rebounds and about 8% FG% (which is where Pau's size is a benefit).

I think its something to chew on. I think our front office is smart and taking a patient approach to this season. We have a steep learning curve with new systems (OFF/DEF) and no time to work them out (pretty much only OJT). Kobe is keeping us in contention, but I am not sure he will be able to keep this kind of production up (he's been incredible).
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Lowry and Scola for Pau.. or Bogut and Jennings for Pau and Blake.
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Bogut ankle is broke.
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Quick question.. Is it possible for a free agent to sign with Team A which is under the cap and get immediately traded to a Team B which is over the cap for a TPE??

If so.. we gotta look out for teams who could help us in a sign and trade involving JR or Brooks.. in return we could offer them one of our young players or a second round pick.

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A person cant be traded until after 3 months or 6 months i believe..
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Also on J.R smith...he does demand alot of money. But im sure he'll sign with someone for a veterans minimum, after all he could be playing less than 2 months depending on the team he signs with.
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JR would be a good pick up exactly what we are missing a spark off the bench who can provide scoring and can create his own shot. Perfect back-up for kobe. However not sure if he wants to play behind Kobe when he can probably start on other teams.
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That may be true but C'mon, the FO don't want that and they want just settle. If the lakers are going to make a splash best believe it will be big and this isn't big in my opinion.


Agreed, would this even be a splash.... don't think so

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Bogut ankle is broke.


^^ now that's an injury prone mofo rght there!!
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Tailspin wrote:
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That may be true but C'mon, the FO don't want that and they want just settle. If the lakers are going to make a splash best believe it will be big and this isn't big in my opinion.


Agreed, would this even be a splash.... don't think so


No, but it would be a deal that could possibly help the team with some of its issues....though I don't see Houston doing this deal though,unless they're just plain desperate.
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=74hknyc

DO IT MITCH!

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purplengoldblood wrote:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=74hknyc

DO IT MITCH!


The numbers match but Orlando won't do this trade. Scola, Martin, and Hill are good pieces but they need a younger and bigger star in Bynum to rebuild around in the next few years and hopefully have all the pieces together when he hits his prime. Also, I'd rather have Duhon than Flynn; Duhon's a good defender and a smart player.
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I am tired of all this trade BS. I will just wait and see what happens. If it happens fine, and if it doesn't, then we just watch the Laker team as it is and hope that the rookies keep improving.
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Nope it wont hAppend
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No, we must wait for D8 and D12 because their team is on panic mode
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K0BE82481 wrote:
Ill do that trade gasol Morris 1st round for lowry+scola

PG lowry
SG Kobe
SF barns
PF scola
C Bynum

And add some bench spark like smith or Chandler or Brooks and I think we are good to go one position scares me is the SF position but I like this line up against whoever defense we would get alot stronger and we have some offensive power also just no bench yet


Houston is playing so well.......I doubt they'll part with Lowry. I wish tho
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Lowry is so good like aaron brooks before but I believe they won't give up that player to the lakers unless the lakers will provide some good players for that.
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I still think we could get 1 or 2 first round picks thrown into that deal with Lowry + Scola if Houston was indeed interested again (which I still doubt).

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think they're interested in kaman so their interest in pau probably dropped either that or lakers may ask too much. But doubt lakers and rockets will resume talks. any deal involving pau has to include lowry we all know that. like everyone on here i do wish lowry was on the team too
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just saw this:

The Houston Rockets still have a longing for Gasol, but the Lakers would want a player the Rockets are most reluctant to part with: point guard Kyle Lowry. The Lakers could probably pry a combination of Kevin Martin and Luis Scola for Gasol, league sources said, but it’s doubtful they’ll move Gasol without solving their point guard problem. Lowry has developed into one of the league’s finest point guards, but Rockets general manager Daryl Morey isn’t trading him. Yahoo! Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... nba_021012
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LakerDymes wrote:
just saw this:

The Houston Rockets still have a longing for Gasol, but the Lakers would want a player the Rockets are most reluctant to part with: point guard Kyle Lowry. The Lakers could probably pry a combination of Kevin Martin and Luis Scola for Gasol, league sources said, but it’s doubtful they’ll move Gasol without solving their point guard problem. Lowry has developed into one of the league’s finest point guards, but Rockets general manager Daryl Morey isn’t trading him. Yahoo! Sports

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... nba_021012


I wouldnt mind this deal at all only if we say trade with CLE for Sessions. Of course Kyle Lowry would be a better pick up. I think if we got Martin we wouldnt have to go for JR Smith.
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How bout go for smith, trade tpe for sessions. Trade gasol,kapono and morris for scola,terrance williams ,kevin mart(only if we dnt get jr)
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Pg.sessions,blake,fish
Sg.kobe,smith,goude
Sf.metta,twill,barnes
Pf.scola,mcbob,
C.bynum,murphs,
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adamloko323 wrote:
How bout go for smith, trade tpe for sessions. Trade gasol,kapono and morris for scola,terrance williams ,kevin mart(only if we dnt get jr)


not a bad ideal bro.....what about OJ over Session, better shooter, defender, bigger, and is a combo guard. Then Mitch talk JR into joining the Lakers. Starting 5, 6'5 and taller. Perimeter players can switch against pick in roll plus 2 seven footers. Now Mike Brown can sub them out two at a time, always keeping a big on court with a playmaker or two

this team could win it all..... ...
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Die-Hard-Laker-Dude wrote:
adamloko323 wrote:
How bout go for smith, trade tpe for sessions. Trade gasol,kapono and morris for scola,terrance williams ,kevin mart(only if we dnt get jr)


not a bad ideal bro.....what about OJ over Session, better shooter, defender, bigger, and is a combo guard. Then Mitch talk JR into joining the Lakers. Starting 5, 6'5 and taller. Perimeter players can switch against pick in roll plus 2 seven footers. Now Mike Brown can sub them out two at a time, always keeping a big on court with a playmaker or two

this team could win it all..... ...


True, blake can start at pg. Lets not forget teewill has great ball handling skills and court vision at the SF spot.

But if we get mayo then jr smith isnt needed. Unless you plan to get rid of fisher.
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^^^^^ JR will be a rental
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