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The Death of the Triangle Offense?
Posted by: JamFan on Jun 08, 2006 - 08:44 AM
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Jamfan OK, it's not like it is going to happen. I have a feeling that Coach Jackson is about as stubborn as King George. When things are not going all that well, you stick with the plan that just doesn't work as good as it used to. There is a reason why no other team in the NBA uses the Triangle offense. Some teams have used variations of it at times only to abandon the offense. Well, if it has won 9 championships and it is such a good offense, why doesn't everyone use it. Well, for one thing, all the years Coach Jackson didn't win championships, all the other teams used offenses that were not the Traingle. Moreover, when Coach Jackson did not have "The Best Players in the World," he did not win. Coaches and Triangle offenses do not win championships, players do. MJ and Scottie and a team of complimentary players that made for great team chemistry won over and over. The minute MJ left to go play baseball, oops, no championship. The minute he comes back................ Shaq and Kobe and a squad of complementary players that create good team chemistry wins three championships. Shaq leaves and the Triangle offense wins.......squat. Shaq returns in a new city, with a new coach, a new sidekick who plays at a level close to Kobe, a new OFFENSE, and he is back in the finals. What has happened hear? Well for one thing, after years of watching the Triangle offense, coaches are better at defending it. It is a very predictable, repetitious offense. A few years ago, the NBA gave them a gift called the zone defense. The Triangle, that is supposed to be good at creating spacing, is the victum of the opposing teams sagging and zoning. If you can't hit the three when your Triangle offense is now all clogged up with defenders, you are in trouble. Again, it is back to players and shooting. Is the Triangle dead? No! Coach Jackson will continue to use it. He doesn't really no how to do anything else. Every other teams will move forward without it. The problem is that it takes most players a season or two to master it. We have already seen the fans of this website talk about only tweeking the Lakers lineup because it takes so long for new players to fit into the offense. Moreover, a mid-season trade to bolster the lineup for a stretch run can't happen, or if it does, often produces mixed results. Just look at Jim Jackson. He has been instant offense and a stud everywhere he has played, until he became a Laker mid season. Other teams just do not want to put together their lineups with one arm tied behind their backs because of the offense they are running. And History proves that the best players with the best team chemistry wins Championships. For me, the best reason to never run the Triangle again is because it is extremely boring to watch. It is kind of like watching the Raiders lineup up and run "student body right" every time they snap the ball. I truely believe that Coach Jackson is a great coach. And the ZenMaster knows how to handle big time players and give confidence to the younger ones who need it. And if Jackson had the right players he could win with several different offenses. Will he ever realize that the Triangle is an offense whose time is past? He needs to. How many of you would trade the walk the ball up the floor and toss it to the high post Triangle Lakers for the fast breaking, quick striking, Showtime Lakers. If you are looking for a show and to have fun, it's no contest. Both teams won Championships. But that was then and this is now. I'm JamFan, and that's my opinion. Whats yours? JamFan
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Re: The Death of the Triangle Offense?
by dbjungle on Jun 08, 2006 - 10:00 AM
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Some of these posts kind of catch me off guard.
It is very true that the Triangle has been limited by zone defense, but the beauty of the triangle is that it is very fundamentally sound offense. The object is to get as close to the basket as possible, come off cuts to create space, space out the court, work the ball around, and get open jumpshots. The problem with the Triangle suffering has nothing to do with it's philosophy. It's just a matter of getting the right mix of talent. I personally believe that any team that won the finals in the last 25 years, would lose to the same team running the Triangle, well if that were possible.
It's a bit restricted, but it forces you to play basketball the right way. While other teams can be successful playing the right way in a different system, those systems still allow for a lot more of isolation. When in the past the main reason for iso in the Triangle has been Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan. Two of the greatest shooting guards to ever play the game. If you look at the Bulls without Jordan, they still had a great season. And even made noise in the playoffs. Just no title. And the Lakers this year have been a lot better than the Rudy T "Showtime" Lakers last year. They made the playoffs and held a 3 - 1 lead against a number 2 seed that made it to the Western Conference Finals. Which is a huge improvement from the previous year. They might have made the playoffs last year, if Rudy T coached all year, but they would have probably been smoked in the playoffs.
The bottom line is that yes players do decide the outcomes of the game, but the Triangle is a very fundamentally sound offense. The only thing that busts zones is consistent shooters and that's true to any offense.
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Re: The Death of the Triangle Offense?
by k_swagger8 on Jun 09, 2006 - 08:55 PM
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Sorry, but I don't agree with Jamfan's opinion about the triangle. Do you think MJ and Scottie, or Shaq and Kobe would have won any championships without Phil and tex's system? Apparently not. Scottie and Michael were together and the same set of players were together even before Phil arrived, and they produced = 0 championships. They couldn't even get to the NBA Finals. What about shaq and kobe? U guessed it right... 0 championships before Phil (Not to mention with more talent in Eddie Jones, Campbell, Van Exel). Then lets see how Phil's teams fared post-MJ and post-Shaq. The '94 bulls? (Pippen and a cast of role players) written off by most people before the season, but how did they do? 55 wins, and a close 2nd round series with the Knicks. The 2005-2006 Lakers? (Kobe, and a bunch of JV level players) written off by most people before the season and considered to be lottery bound. How did they do? 44 wins and a 3-pt miss away from a 2nd round berth. The reason why the triangle has worked under Phil is that it is complemented by the philosophy he teaches his players of "being in the moment", and "selflessness" and other stuff. That is also the reason it was not successful with the other teams who have tried it, because they may have only applied the x and o's of the triangle, not the fundamental principles and the philosophy that is behind it. Maybe this is the biggest reason that players didn't buy the offense under other coaches. As Mj also said about the triangle: "it's a good offense for the first 3 quarters" because everyone is involved, everyone has a chance to score and everyone can facilitate the offense, that's why it is so unpridectable. Everyone is a threat to score if they know how to properly position themselves. It may seem repititive to you jamfan, but that's because the lakers of last season were not able to fully grasp the offense and they just ran the most basic sets or variations of the triangle. Do you seriously think the bulls of the 90's would have the same che
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Re: The Death of the Triangle Offense?
by pongyo on Jun 30, 2006 - 05:41 PM
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I agree with Kswag. You should read his post.
You might want to read up on more information considering Tex Winter's Triple Post Offense before coming out with a statement as blatant as "The triangle offense is boring, it should never be run again." Maybe Phil Jackson's Sacred Hoops will benefit you in your search for TRUE criticism. Hell, maybe watch his "In My Own Words" when it comes on.
If you would care to research the intricacies and details of the Triangle offense, you would know that it is NOT defendable. That is the whole point of having this free flowing, "take what the defense gives you" style.
"Unlike set plays, there is a freedom of movement in the offense. There are a wide variety of cuts, depending on how the defense plays. Winter would describe this as "read and react"."
The Triangle Offense, played to perfection, is truly an instant-win success.
2 links to base more of your "baseless criticism" on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_offense
http://espn.go.com/ncb/2003/0128/1499926.html
PS. Spell check please.
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