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poppintags08
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Post subject: The MVP debate
 Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 06:18 PM PST
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I was reading an ESPN chat with columnist Marc Stein and he was asked who had the MVP lead at this point. His answer was very typical, Garnet with a large lead over second place Kobe Bryant. He said that Kobe will get a lot of consideration from him if the Lakers finish with 50 wins or more, but he said that if Boston wins 70, then it has to be KG. Another fan asked why he would choose KG when KG has 2 all-star calibar teamates on his team and his response was that KG's leadership and intensity rises everyone's game on the team and that even the Celtic franchise would agree that he's the main factor for their success. I'm reading this and thinking, ok, and why was Minnessota such a crappy team over a course of a decade WITH KG on the team? It doesn't make sense.
I don't really like how this entire MVP debate is decided. The best player on the best team is such BS. It should be a combination of reasons, not just 1 criteria for the MVP. I'm not opposed to KG getting MVP, but only if say he gets over 20-10 and the Celtics win nearly 70 games. The East is soo weak that the Celtics just munch on the other 12 teams, the only 2 other teams that will give them trouble are the Pistons and maybe Magic.
There's also one thing I'm taking into consideration here for my pick, is that this person has been screwed out of the MVP for 2 straight years because his team hasn't performed well enough. He's overdue.
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 06:49 PM PST
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| No doubt poppin. Kobe is playing like Kobe and affecting his teammates like Jordan used to. Look at the years Bynum and Farmar are having! Kobe is now lifting his teammates to higher levels - he's bringing the best out of all them. Getting Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to play well is not valuable. Getting our team to play at a level they're playing at is extremely valuable! I am not sure how he is overlooked year after year. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 07:22 PM PST
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I agree Poppin... I am not a conspiracy theorist or anything but I will sound like it right now. I can almost assure that deep down behind the scenes, most writers and broadcasters are against Kobe and also the Lakers as a team. I have a lot of respect for Garnett but he is not an MVP. Since when do they give out MVP's for intensity? They don't. They change it based on what Kobe is or not doing for the team. Garnett is also great at selling intensity. Example: Against the Lakers recently, he expressed such intensity while making a few free throws. It is ridiculous and he has always done that. The writers and broadcasters all fall for it and they all ride the same wave using the same words to describe him. When Nash and Dirk won, it was not about intensity. But even those two had all star caliber players around them.
Some are even considering Lebron an MVP because he is carrying the team all by himself. But for Lebron, he has no help according to them. Well, what about Kobe in the past? They would not dare say Kobe needed help. They were too busy stating he handled the ball 100% of the time.
So now the Celtics are just so good despite a very favorable schedule. Which brings me to my other question. What a coinsidence that the Celtics were the talk before the season and have been so successful now. Who makes up the schedule?I don't know but they sure made it easy for the Celtics. McHale's loyalty to the T'Wolves should also be questioned. Now going back to the Lakers, they had all the drama at beginning and got the toughest schedule. I'm not saying Kobe should get MVP honors every year either. I just have a hard time believing that one of the all time greats will never get the award. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 08, 2008 - 07:38 PM PST
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| i said a million times but i will say it again it sad when you don't your job professionals just cuz you hate somebody it's really sad . |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 05:40 PM PST
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As of right now, I guess KG is the leader because his team has an amazing record and he's the catalist, but the race if far from over. As of right now there are about 4-5 legit candidates for the MVP.
Kobe Bryant - If the Lakers finish with a top 4 record out West, and if Kobe has his usual great numbers, then I don't think he can be denied.
KG - If the Celtics win over 70 games with KG putting up his usual great numbers, but also getting some defensive player of the year votes, then I think he will be the guy.
Lebron - If the Cavs win at least 50 games with Lebron averaging those off the chart numbers, then Lebron might be a serious candidate for MVP.
Chris Paul - He's on pace to set a record for a player to average over 20-10-3 steals. If the Hornets finish with a top 4 record out west with Paul averaging close to those numbers, then he can be MVP.
Dwight Howard - If the Magic win at least 55 games with D Howard averaging at least 24-15, then he will be a serious contendor as well.
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Those are the main 5 guys so far battling for MVP. Just imagine if all the scenarios that I mentoined above turn out to be reality for each team, imagine the crazy MVP race then. This might be the closest MVP race ever, between 4-5 guys. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 05:44 PM PST
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GOOD NEWS:
"Some talking heads have said that KG won't win the MVP because he will be splitting votes with teammate Paul Pierce, who is also having an exceptional season. In the NFL, the Patriots' Randy Moss enjoyed a record-breaking season, but did that stop Tom Brady from being named the league's best player? Nope. " |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 07:19 PM PST
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| i would agree with poppin and everyone else... MVP of the league should go to the person who has effected the team most... Bynum and Farmer and all the other ppl on da bench arent All-Stars and look how they are playing.. I believe you are getting more out of them than the Boston Celtics |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 07:40 PM PST
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| I would vote for Chris Paul..his team is better than the lakers as of right now and he has less talent to play with..I think it should be between Kobe and CP3..Garnett has other all stars to play with. CP3 and Kobe don't. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 07:41 PM PST
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| If Kobe raises his field goal percentage close to what we are used to then i would give the MVp to Kobe given we finish in the top 4 or 5 |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 10:29 PM PST
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Maybe it's time to reconsider your opinion styrokid. Lakers were impressive against the Hornets.
As far as K.G goes, tonight his team lost to the Bobcats without Ray Allen. So how does KG make the team better? You take away an all star and his team loses. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 11:25 PM PST
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| I think the the words "most valuable player" need to be reconsidered because i dont agree in the last few mvp winners. If you think of the lakers the last few years, this year not as much but still, where would the lakers be without Kobe, i love my team but i have to say that they would be one of the worst teams in the league. Now lets look at the suns, where would they be without nash well obviously they wouldnt be as good but there is still 2 allstars on that team and they would still be a very decent team. So i view the MVP race that way, and i think Kobe is truly the most VALUABLE player to his team. |
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Post subject: RE: The MVP debate
Posted: Jan 09, 2008 - 11:37 PM PST
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| Its kobe. Without question. Kg has pierce and allen. I don't remeber who said cp3 has no talent but last I checked he has tyson chandler, mo pete, david west, and who is that other guy draining 3s...........oh yeah PEJA. Even dwight howard has rashard lewis. Do the math. Every other mvp has a player on his team that has been an all star, INCLUDING LEBRON. Ilgauskas has been to 2. But the media fails 2 mention that. Go up and down the lakers roster and find ONE PLAYER that has been an all star. YOU CAN'T. CASE CLOSED |
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