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Post subject: Getting JO without giving up LO
 Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:29 PM PST
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The recent rumors are that LO AND Bynum would have to be included for JO. In a straight up deal maybe and I still think we're getting screwed. How about a 3-team trade? This would work.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~5~11~11
Indiana gets the youth of Farmar and Bynum to add with Granger. Farmar would replace Tinsley. Jones is an excellent 3 point shooter and Marshall is a veteran big who can shoot the 3 ball as well.
Cleveland gets a younger shooting big man and that PG they always wanted. Pavlovic would be moved to the bench where he could provide instant offense off the bench.
Lakers get the all-star in JO without giving up Odom and also pick up Greene as compromise for giving up 4 players.
We could always change that 3rd team. How about Denver? They're looking for cap room.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 13~7~13~11
This trade failed but if you S&T Mckie and Williams/Smush then it would work.
Let's try Sactown next.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... 3~11~13~13
This trade failed again. But like I said before S&T Mckie and Williams/Smush to Indy and it works. I also used Vlad Rad to simulate a S&T Luke for around the same price. |
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:31 PM PST
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| We are ettin screwed if we Send LO and drew,....MAKES NO SENSE IN THE WORLD.... |
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:33 PM PST
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| Yup that's why we've got to get a big time player without giving up LO |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:37 PM PST
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| Remember we already sell out Staples so it doesn't have to be Big name,..artest and charlie bell will fit in nicely,..while allowing us to keep Drew and lamar |
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:41 PM PST
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| That would also be an ideal offseason. I don't think it makes us contenders quite yet though |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
-Michael Jordan
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:45 PM PST
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| Your right but if we would of stayed healthy we would have won 55 games,..adding artest and bell will get us close to sixty,..and possibly a 2-3 seed,..winning the pacific and getting past the first round would appease Kobe then we can make a hard run at KG when opts out in 08 |
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:46 PM PST
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| 55 is a longshot I would think maybe 48-52 with the 4 or 5 seed...possibly 6th. Next year is next year we won't know what team the injury bug will bite next so we've got to hope it doesn't bite us again |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:52 PM PST
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| Alternatively we can trade on draft day (draft for Indy) so that the drafted player's payroll counts toward the trade. |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 06:59 PM PST
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lakersforthewin wrote:
Alternatively we can trade on draft day (draft for Indy) so that the drafted player's payroll counts toward the trade.
Yeah,..that's the kind of post that I like,...we don;t gotta make all kinds of moves,....Everyone seems to tink we have to re structure our entire roster...but Look th the Spurs, remeber the 2000-2003 lakers the Bulls,..they did it with tole players,..not all star teams,..like some people are suggesting,..........Good quote,. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 07:24 PM PST
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| If we give Odom and Bynum and get JO we still aren't good enough to be a contender in the West, who's the 3rd option if we trade Odom, Luke Walton?????haha if we get Ron Artest and Marcus Camby i have no problem with it but if we can't get Ron and Camby we give away a guy with 20/10 potential i wouldnt do that Odom+Bynum for JO trade. And what if Walton signs with a nother team then the 3rd option will be Maurice Evans!!!!!!!! then there changes nothing. the same record the same pain. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 09:18 PM PST
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yea thats not gonna work.
no of them will.
specally sacto. why wud they give artest for vlad and sacha???? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 09:38 PM PST
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| Read my post I put Vlad in as a replacement for Luke S&T 5-6 mil because Luke can't be traded with the machine yet |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 09:45 PM PST
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| i say we just give up odom for jo |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:00 PM PST
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| Bynum for JO is better for Kobe's prime, on the other hand LO for JO is better for the future. I dunno I prefer Odom staying but as long as we only give up one of em for JO |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:07 PM PST
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:24 PM PST
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| just like i said on another thread..giving up odom and bynum is wayy too much for jermaine o'neal..don't forget he is also injury prone..i'm leaning more towards the gasol trade for bynum and kwame..i would much rather have kobe-gasol-odom verses kobe-walton-o'neal...odom was playing allstar caliber ball before he got injured and after a summer of rest i believe he will have a big impact again..don't trade odom.. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:26 PM PST
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| Gasol doesn't seem likely he stated recently he would like to stay in Memphis. Also Lakers and Pacers have been reportedly in talks over the past week or so |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:30 PM PST
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| oh yea..and to add..i think a lot of people are forgetting that it does take a while for the most intelligent players to find their place in the triangle offense..so by bringing in 5-6 new players doesn't make us a automatic contender..soo i think both luke and lamar work better in the triangle than artest.. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:35 PM PST
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| Artest has previous knowledge of the triangle they played it back when he was in Chicago. And it's not that complicated. One full off-season is enough time. I believe Farmar learned it in like 2 minutes |
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Maybe its my fault that you didn't see that failure gave me strength, that my pain was my motivation.
Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
-Michael Jordan
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 10:52 PM PST
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| The more I look at all angles, trade possibilities, stats, salaries, teams situatios,..... It becomes apperant that the trades to make are Camby and artest, Salaries, and skill sets, artest has never played in the tri, when he was in Chicago the weren't using the triangle any more,....Camby and artest Give defensive presence, artest gives you a viable second option and Camby will ives 10/10 and bive time defense,...DO you that no team has ever had to defensive players of the year on the same team,...or thre first team all defense ,.... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 11:00 PM PST
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 11:22 PM PST
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| Your scenerio,...while I admire your time and effort makes absolutely no sense,....why would Houston trade Battier, and why would we want Howard, Jo is way over rated,...shots way to much,...not a low post presence,....defensively ok,.... but camby makes more sense, cheaper too,...plus take into account that we will be about 70-80 million in salary...last time I checked the cap was at 55 million. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Getting JO without giving up LO
Posted: Jun 02, 2007 - 11:24 PM PST
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