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Post subject: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
 Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 12:40 AM PST
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In no way is Denver trading the reigning Defensive Player of the Year. No not on a Kwame Brown package at least.
What if we changed the mechanics and offered Lamar Odom instead?
Hear me out.
Marcus Camby has shown he wants that 2nd straight DPOY award. Lucky for Denver they have him. But he's 33 and his health is hardly reliable.
Lamar Odom has been up and down for us. While we may have seen a lot of improvement in the last couple of games, the fact remains that Lamar Odom does not belong to the Triangle.
Taking into account Kobe's call for help, does it really bid well for the Lakers if we got JO and he averaged 25-10-2? The spotlight would shift and Kobe's ego will take a hit. Why are we pushing for more scorers on this team when we are already top-5 in scoring while being the second youngest team in the whole league?
Denver meanwhile has the rag-tag up and down offense that fits Lamar very well. His passing and facilitating skills will flourish on a free-flowing offense like Denver's with 2 of the league's dominant scorers - AI and Melo.
Proposal: Marcus Camby + JR Smith = Lamar Odom + Coby Karl
I bet the very first question becomes "what about Drew?"
Here's my explanation.
Marcus Camby is 33 and extremely fragile. True, but what if he was not asked to play 34mpg and be the only defender on Denver's team? What if he played 25mins and became the starting defensive anchor for LA while Drew comes off the bench and dominates the opposing backup centers?
JR Smith is a deadly 3-pt shooter. He has shone even on Denver's very potent offense. If he plays next to Kobe, he will be required to shoot the lights out as Kobe rests. He will also benefit from Drew's kickout for the much-needed 3-point threat.
In the absence of Lamar, Luke gets his starting job back. I assign him to play 32 mins as Trevor Ariza, a very good defender and finisher, comes off the bench for him. Luke's IQ and passing skills will be showcased in a team filled with finishers and he became the main facilitator on offense.
Proposed Lineup:
Fish / Farmar / Crittenton
Kobe / JR Smith / Sasha
Walton / Ariza /
Radmanovic / Turiaf / Mihm
Camby / Bynum / Kwame
If you noticed, the 1st five has 5 veterans with Kobe as the main man. IMO, Kobe's scoring barrage is best done on the 1st quarter to establish the lead, and in the 3rd or 4th to put the game away. Fish and Luke account for 2 very knowledgeable TRI components while Radman becomes Kobe's 2nd option on offense.
The second five is basically the Lakers GeneratioNEXT. Farmar leads the bench mob, Ariza defends the quick perimeter players. Ronny is the hustle guy and Drew becomes the #1 option on offense as he crushes every backup center in the league.
Overall, this is a very potent Laker team. Defense will be the key to winning and we will have Kobe and Marcus for that. Rebounding won't be problem as Camby, Drew and Ronny takes care of that.
If we have to talk about it, we still have Kwame and Sasha's expirings to spare. Javaris is still the team's future PG as is Farmar and we have loads of young talent along with tons of expirings to still make another blockbuster happen.
Now Imagine this photo in every Laker game.
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 12:50 AM PST
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| I wouldn't do it. smith had another falling out with Coach Karl again I believe. A trio of LO+AI+Melo with K-Mart and Nene waiting in the background? That is scary right there |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 12:55 AM PST
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| I like the trade but JR Smith would ruin the bench mob because all he does it shoot threes which drives coaches crazy! He would be a nice backup though. Marcus Camby would be a great idea and Bynum and Farmar would stay if we made this deal. do it mitch! |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 01:18 AM PST
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I'd take JR Smith, off-the-court antics or not. Besides, PJ's different than other coaches, he knows how to keep his players in check.
Terrific idea Warren! Camby would be the defensive anchor that we've been looking for, and add in JR's scoring punch in the bench, and we'd actually be contenders this year! |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 01:25 AM PST
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| I'd probably do it mostly because it gives us a true backup SG and a Starting C. I'd still like Wilcox and WallyWorld for LO and Mihm though, I think neither would happen only because these teams are short at big man positions- good idea though. JR Smith was rumored to be dealt to Detroit for Flip Murray but Denver didn't want to take back Ronald Dupree as well for whatever reason- I think JR could be gotten and I would accept him as a Laker. |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 03:10 AM PST
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I don't know guys. Camby is pretty old and he will retire soon enough and LO will still be ripping it up in Denver. If we are going to trade LO i would rather do it for a player who won't retire in 2-3 years and leave the Lakers in an awkward pposition. Sure you might say that we do this trade so we can win now but i don't think that a 33 year old Camby is going to put us at Championship contender level. Now if we were to get someone like JO that would put us at Championship level. I know people are tired of hearing about JO, i know i am, but i still think that he will beour answer. He will thrive in the TRI because it is slower then the run and gun style of the Pacers now.
Also, I don't think that getting JR Smith is a good idea. This guy is a headache and he would ruin the chemistry of our bench players. Luckyily it seems that Ariza gets along very well with everyone on the team and the bench is back to it's old self. But if we add a guy like Smith he would do nothin but ruin the chemistry that took an entire season to create. Sure he is a good shoother but we have guys that already fill that position. While Vujacic might not be ideal he can still get the job done whe he needs to. He is having a much better season this year then any of his previous seasons. With time he will develop that 3 point shot into a very effective and lethal weapon.
I wouldn't do this trade due to the age of Camby and the attitude of JR Smith. While Phil may be able to calm him down a bit i still think he would ruin the great chemistry that our bench has at the moment. That's my opinion. I know some people would object but i'm stating my opinion here and if it were my decision, I would not pull the trigger on this deal. |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 12:11 PM PST
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I don't see why Denver would want Odom for Camby. They have Melo who plays Odom's natural position at SF and they also have K-Mart and Nene would like to play the PF, so where does Odom fit it? Pushing Odom at the 4 and Nene at the 5 doesn't really do much for their defense. K-Mart and Camby are their best defensive players and one is gone, the other is going to see even less minutes.
Camby is way more valuable to them then Odom will ever be. It's like straight up trade that down grades their defense.
I can see a revised deal happening:
Odom Kwame Crittenton for Camby K-Mart
I think Critt would be awsome if given the chance to start playing alongside great scorers. Denver lacks discipline, Critt, Odom, and Kwame bring some of that. At that point Denver can roll out a better starting 5 with:
Crittenton/Carter
Iverson/Smith
Carmelo/Kleiza
Odom/Najara
Kwame/Nene
If that team doesn't work, then Denver will have a ton of cap space in a few years to rebuild around Melo. J Critt would be a part of that future. At least this way they get future assets along with staying relevant right now. |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 12, 2007 - 02:29 PM PST
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"Marcus Camby has shown he wants that 2nd straight DPOY award. Lucky for Denver they have him. But he's 33 and his health is hardly reliable."
And Lamar Odom's health is?
"Taking into account Kobe's call for help, does it really bid well for the Lakers if we got JO and he averaged 25-10-2? The spotlight would shift and Kobe's ego will take a hit."
You're argument is only valid if Kobe has a ego-scoring problem to begin with. What I see is he doesn't mind passing the ball to a teammate that has a better chance to score. Also, I think Kobe doesn't care if his stats decrease if the Lakers are still winning, according to Kobe.
Marcus Camby is 33 and extremely fragile. True, but what if he was not asked to play 34mpg and be the only defender on Denver's team? What if he played 25mins and became the starting defensive anchor for LA while Drew comes off the bench and dominates the opposing backup centers? Again, and Lamar is not injury prone himself?
It is not Marcus Camby's team, he is merely a servant. Doing what is asked out of him. As a player, I would want to play more minutes, not less. He does perfectly fine w/ 35 mins posting big blocks, rebounds, and points. If he was on the Lakers, he would also be playing 35 minutes, why would a guy like that be left on the bench.
GM's won't make a trade for someone just because they had a rally of "good games".
"If that team doesn't work, then Denver will have a ton of cap space in a few years to rebuild around Melo. J Critt would be a part of that future. At least this way they get future assets along with staying relevant right now."
wow, so if they chance this deal sending away their reigning DPY for Lamar Odom...they suck for 2,3 years..thats a long time. that would probably cause the GM to shoot himself in the eye. Without Camby, they are like a Lakers team with only one guy playing interior D? thats not good also. K-Mart - on occasions shows flashes of himself before his injury, Nene is out. If this team is healthy, they would be good. Also, if they played better D they would be brilliant. If they trade Camby their D would be lacking that wouldn't be so good for them. I don't think for Denver, trading is the solution. Just because a team isn't doing as well as they should always has to end up in a trade.
On paper, Denver is supposed to be an elite team. KMart, Nene, Camby, Iverson, Melo...reminds me of the Trailblazers years back. The only thing stopping them from excellence is their defense. THey just have to gel as a team, find their identity, and start hussling and putting more effort on defense, not another trade. |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 01:53 AM PST
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I think I like the deal because we get that back up sg we really need. But at the same tie we need a pf not a center who can play d.Camby would be a good 4 and 5 man. I think we need to look at all our options. Mitch made a calculated move with Ariza and we should do the same. Odom and Kwame should be relocated to bring in the players we need.
Odom and Mihm for Wilcox and Wally Zcerbiak is a must if it were avaiable. Wilcox is the guy to complement Bynum come playoff time. Another strong finisher and bruiser that Bynum is going to take a while to become. Zcerbiak is still an amazing pure shooter who is a liability on defense, but he has smarts. I think he would play well with Kobe. If we made that trade I would also go ahead and trade Critt, Kwame, and Ariza and 1st rounder for Kidd.
Kidd/Farmar/Sasha
Kobe/fisher
Walton/zcerbiak
Wilcox/Turiaf/Radmanovich
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 08:15 AM PST
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| This thread I made is for plain speculation. Camby is that good, even at age 33. However, signs point in the other direction. Unless Denver suddenly accepted Kwame and Crittenton as the main considerations, I have to be realistic and state that Camby won't be a Laker. But its fun to dream sometimes... |
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Post subject: RE: DEFENSE you say? Lets get Marcus Camby
Posted: Dec 13, 2007 - 07:41 PM PST
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| didnt we offer kwame for camby and da nuggets just laughed |
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