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Post subject: kirilenko...
 Posted: Sep 21, 2007 - 05:29 PM PST
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just heard on around the horn that he plans to walk out on the 63 million contract with the jazz...this could be interesting because when he and the jazz get together to talk this over its possible that he might be interested in being traded rather than just walking away. perhaps we would be able to pull off a trade for him then. of course there is also the possibility that he goes to russia and we never see him again, except in fiba and the olympics.
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Post subject: RE: kirilenko...
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Post subject: RE: kirilenko...
Posted: Sep 21, 2007 - 07:06 PM PST
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| this is excellent for us! The west will get weaker. We now have a chance to get a better ranking in the West. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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this is excellent for us! The west will get weaker. We now have a chance to get a better ranking in the West.
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it.
You wouldn't trade Kwame and Vlad for him? What if he gets a contract buyout and will play for what's left of our MLE? I mean he got paid his contract when he was the #1 option on both ends of the floor until Boozer and Williams came. AK is far from a scrub guys like Cook and Sasha are scrubs. AK is a former DPOY canidate,a former all-star, was recently named Euroleage MVP, and to top it off only 26 years old. He had an off season last year because of the increased roles of Boozer, Williams, and the unexpected play of Millsap. When he gets touches he is a dangerous player. He also brings us defense which we desperately need. Getting a hard for the guy? It's common sense, stop hating on the guy he's a very good player |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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griZZly64 wrote:
AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it.
You wouldn't trade Kwame and Vlad for him? What if he gets a contract buyout and will play for what's left of our MLE? I mean he got paid his contract when he was the #1 option on both ends of the floor until Boozer and Williams came. AK is far from a scrub guys like Cook and Sasha are scrubs. AK is a former DPOY canidate,a former all-star, was recently named Euroleage MVP, and to top it off only 26 years old. He had an off season last year because of the increased roles of Boozer, Williams, and the unexpected play of Millsap. When he gets touches he is a dangerous player. He also brings us defense which we desperately need. Getting a hard for the guy? It's common sense, stop hating on the guy he's a very good player
He's decent at best. This whole touches argument you got going is hilarious. So he had an off season? What about the two seasons before that? His numbers have been decreasing and like you said he's only 26. Thats kind of young to be declining, don't you think? He was the #1 option until better players came along which shows that he didn't deserve the role. To me it just sounds like you have a little crush. (in a non-sexual way) |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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griZZly64 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
griZZly64 wrote:
AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it.
You wouldn't trade Kwame and Vlad for him? What if he gets a contract buyout and will play for what's left of our MLE? I mean he got paid his contract when he was the #1 option on both ends of the floor until Boozer and Williams came. AK is far from a scrub guys like Cook and Sasha are scrubs. AK is a former DPOY canidate,a former all-star, was recently named Euroleage MVP, and to top it off only 26 years old. He had an off season last year because of the increased roles of Boozer, Williams, and the unexpected play of Millsap. When he gets touches he is a dangerous player. He also brings us defense which we desperately need. Getting a hard for the guy? It's common sense, stop hating on the guy he's a very good player
He's decent at best. This whole touches argument you got going is hilarious. So he had an off season? What about the two seasons before that? His numbers have been decreasing and like you said he's only 26. Thats kind of young to be declining, don't you think? He was the #1 option until better players came along which shows that he didn't deserve the role. To me it just sounds like you have a little crush. (in a non-sexual way)
He was the #1 option in Utah before Boozer and Williams came and that's why his offensive numbers were high. His lowest nubmers game during his all-star year. You don't expect him to score 20 and grab 10 boards do you? His defense will help tremendously and relieves some of the pressure Kobe has. I'm not pointing fingers or anything but the way you sound makes it seem like you really dislike him but he's not a bad player. He is overpaid I admit but he was extended when he was the #1 option. Do you think Kwame and Vlad Rad for AK47 is a bad deal for us? Think about it we keep our core intact while adding another player, and then we can trade for JO with LO+Bynum. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
Posted: Sep 22, 2007 - 01:07 AM PST
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i have been saying it for a couple of months now when someone brought up the idea that we should go after him. he is way overpaid and the jazz arent going to buy him out. AK is too inconsistent and isnt a true PF nor is he a SF. we need a real PF, not a PF that tries to play PG.
AK wants to leave utah because he hates sloans structured offence system. if he hates sloans system then he is going to hate ours worse. lets hope this trade never goes down. we will be in salary cap hell with his immovable contract. |
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We should be looking to find other solutions at least, JO is obviously not going anywhere with Mitch at the wheel, Artest has been vetoed, Maggette appears to be the #1 option going into next season.
I'll be saying the same thing after we lose in the 1st rnd again. Mitch is still at the wheel with a new extension, Kwame gets a 10 mil+ extension for having a contract year, talks about 15 mil extension for Lamar, Bynum asking for big bucks but not jumping the leap of faith like everyone thought he would.
Salary cap hell? No.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: kirilenko...
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lakersforthewin wrote:
griZZly64 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
griZZly64 wrote:
AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it.
You wouldn't trade Kwame and Vlad for him? What if he gets a contract buyout and will play for what's left of our MLE? I mean he got paid his contract when he was the #1 option on both ends of the floor until Boozer and Williams came. AK is far from a scrub guys like Cook and Sasha are scrubs. AK is a former DPOY canidate,a former all-star, was recently named Euroleage MVP, and to top it off only 26 years old. He had an off season last year because of the increased roles of Boozer, Williams, and the unexpected play of Millsap. When he gets touches he is a dangerous player. He also brings us defense which we desperately need. Getting a hard for the guy? It's common sense, stop hating on the guy he's a very good player
He's decent at best. This whole touches argument you got going is hilarious. So he had an off season? What about the two seasons before that? His numbers have been decreasing and like you said he's only 26. Thats kind of young to be declining, don't you think? He was the #1 option until better players came along which shows that he didn't deserve the role. To me it just sounds like you have a little crush. (in a non-sexual way)
He was the #1 option in Utah before Boozer and Williams came and that's why his offensive numbers were high. His lowest nubmers game during his all-star year. You don't expect him to score 20 and grab 10 boards do you? His defense will help tremendously and relieves some of the pressure Kobe has. I'm not pointing fingers or anything but the way you sound makes it seem like you really dislike him but he's not a bad player. He is overpaid I admit but he was extended when he was the #1 option. Do you think Kwame and Vlad Rad for AK47 is a bad deal for us? Think about it we keep our core intact while adding another player, and then we can trade for JO with LO+Bynum.
I do think it would be a poor trade. There's this thing called the salary cap and the goal is to stay below it. Putting his contract on the books would be horrid. He may be higher than average at defense but he's no Dennis Rodman. |
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griZZly64 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
griZZly64 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
griZZly64 wrote:
AK is a scrub. Why are you all getting a hard on for this guy? If Mitch signs or trades for this guy I'm never posting on this site again. If he has any IQ he hasn't even thought of acquiring AK.
I'm showing my faith in the front office by putting my love for this site on the line. Don't screw us over again Mitch... don't do it.
You wouldn't trade Kwame and Vlad for him? What if he gets a contract buyout and will play for what's left of our MLE? I mean he got paid his contract when he was the #1 option on both ends of the floor until Boozer and Williams came. AK is far from a scrub guys like Cook and Sasha are scrubs. AK is a former DPOY canidate,a former all-star, was recently named Euroleage MVP, and to top it off only 26 years old. He had an off season last year because of the increased roles of Boozer, Williams, and the unexpected play of Millsap. When he gets touches he is a dangerous player. He also brings us defense which we desperately need. Getting a hard for the guy? It's common sense, stop hating on the guy he's a very good player
He's decent at best. This whole touches argument you got going is hilarious. So he had an off season? What about the two seasons before that? His numbers have been decreasing and like you said he's only 26. Thats kind of young to be declining, don't you think? He was the #1 option until better players came along which shows that he didn't deserve the role. To me it just sounds like you have a little crush. (in a non-sexual way)
He was the #1 option in Utah before Boozer and Williams came and that's why his offensive numbers were high. His lowest nubmers game during his all-star year. You don't expect him to score 20 and grab 10 boards do you? His defense will help tremendously and relieves some of the pressure Kobe has. I'm not pointing fingers or anything but the way you sound makes it seem like you really dislike him but he's not a bad player. He is overpaid I admit but he was extended when he was the #1 option. Do you think Kwame and Vlad Rad for AK47 is a bad deal for us? Think about it we keep our core intact while adding another player, and then we can trade for JO with LO+Bynum.
I do think it would be a poor trade. There's this thing called the salary cap and the goal is to stay below it. Putting his contract on the books would be horrid. He may be higher than average at defense but he's no Dennis Rodman.
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| I think when he made that statement he forgot to say he would go over the cap if it made the team considerably better. For a KG he wouldn't care but AK is not valuable enough to go over the cap to sign him. |
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I think when he made that statement he forgot to say he would go over the cap if it made the team considerably better. For a KG he wouldn't care but AK is not valuable enough to go over the cap to sign him.
You could say the same about JO. Quite frankly I think Dr. Buss would go over the cap to make his team better in any way possible, he's already extracted enough money from Kobe so I think he will be able to write just an extra 0 on those checks |
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griZZly64 wrote:
I think when he made that statement he forgot to say he would go over the cap if it made the team considerably better. For a KG he wouldn't care but AK is not valuable enough to go over the cap to sign him.
You could say the same about JO. Quite frankly I think Dr. Buss would go over the cap to make his team better in any way possible, he's already extracted enough money from Kobe so I think he will be able to write just an extra 0 on those checks
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I frankly haven’t paid much attention to the Kirelenko argument until I came upon this Hoopsworld article this morning – I didn’t know Kirelenko played at PF up until last year, and his numbers and play were much better at PF than the F position they shifted him to last year. His play at PF makes him more interesting to me, a real PF is something we lack.
Winderman: Kirilenko Deserves Better - Elsewhere
By Ira Winderman, for HOOPSWORLD.com, Sep 22, 2007, 10:00
http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_23398.shtml
“As a lengthy, quick, agile power forward, Kirilenko has shown the ability to be among the most disruptive forces in the game.
For a while, that's who he was allowed to be; his game flourished. While there certainly were tense moments along the way with Sloan, they were relatively fleeting…
Suddenly, Kirilenko wasn't a power forward. Instead, he was cast at small forward, drawn further from the rim, his quickness and speed advantage in the post now a liability against faster, quicker perimeter players.”
What the Jazz was left with was a liability at small forward…
In turn, Kirilenko began to flounder. The shot total dropped. So did the scoring totals. Instead of being in the middle of the offense, it's almost as if he was in the way of Boozer and Williams.” |
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I actually get to be in the Veteran's Forum, so thanks Dave. Okay, to talk about Kirilenko, I believe he is an overpaid, average player. I do have to admit his defense is really good.
Reasons why I wouldn't want him.
1) He is overpaid.
2) He isn't that great anymore. Look at his number's last year:
29.3 MPG(Minutes) 8.3 PPG 4.7 RBG 2.9 APG 1.1 SPG 2.1 BPG 0.471 FGP (Field Goal) 0.213 3PFG% 0.728 FT% 1.93 TOPG (Turnovers per game)
3) He as an attitude problem.
4) We need a low post presence player to take pressure off of Kobe, which Kirilenko isn't.
Reason why I would want him
1) His defense is really good.
Last thoughts
I think Kirilenko is a really good defense of player, and I understand we need defense, but I really don't think Kirilenko is worth 13 million, so I would not want him on our team. |
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If you keep AB maybe you don't need a injury prone JO
That is what is in all of our minds. If AB can come up big for us this season then there is no need to get JO. The problem is we need AB to start producing now, not later. |
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| There may be a reason his numbers were down last year, he was playing at forward, but in the prior years he was at PF - a position we really need upgrade at, which is what makes Kirilenko interesting. How will he fare in the Triangle? I don't know enough of his game to tell. |
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