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Post Subject: Devin Ebanks vs Earl Clark
 Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:20 AM PST
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who will get the most minutes at the backup 3 spot is the question,or rather, who should. let me share some info
(noted: its possible that Clark may get the majority of his minutes at the 4 bcuz of Dwights absence, but you never know with mike brown, he likes to play players "out of position".)
statistical breakdown:
Clark:
last season: 12.4 min 2.7 ppg 37%shooting 0%3pt 2.8 rpg 0.7 bpg
best season: 2010-11: 11 min 3.9 ppg 43% 0%3pt 2.4 rpg
Ebanks:
last season = best season : 16.5 min 4.0 ppg 41% 2.3 rbg 0%3pt
video: clark: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REFaBwXMjGU
ebanks : we've all already seen what Ebanks can do, only 1 vid of him w/lakers on utube and its all dunks........ sorry
my own player comparison:
ebanks: 6'8-6'9 ATHLETE/highflyer/track-meet player. high motor. crashes offensive boards as well as matt barnes. solid 1 on 1 defender. showed potential last year of mid range J consistency. lacks 3 point range. extremely average off the dribble
clark: 6'9-6'10 ATHLETE/highflyer/track-meet player. solid rebound totals for minutes played. solid help D shot-blocker. streaky mid range shooter( like ebanks). lacks 3 point range. extremely average off the dribble(same exact creating off dribble skills as ebanks). better production than ebanks for minutes played.
my view: Ebanks and Clark are very similar players. Due to their lack of shooting capabilities they are both "hustle players". From the video ive seen of Clark, i like his game , he suprised me with his ability to put the ball on the floor and get to the hoop, he is also longer/taller than ebanks, he gets more rebounds and blocks more shots. Ebanks last year showed me some shooting potential, hes probly a lil better of a shooter than Clark, hes also a solid defender.
my pick: cant pick :/ , if Ebanks can expand his range to the 3point line(which i view more likely than Clark) then i choose him. However if Ebanks cannot expand his range, i choose Earl Clark. Because, Clark has been the more productive player throughout his career, considering his minutes.
sidenote:the lakers are now notorious for having the same type of SFs - hustle players. i personally dont like it, and i think the majority of us agree that the Lakers would be better off with SFs who score primarily shooting, instead of mostly scoring off of offensive rebounds and cutting, and mostly missing jumpshots... for this reason id like to see more of Kobe at the 3,or Jamison. kobe is completely capable of gaurding all 3s,thats not even a question. Jamison on the other hand, can only matchup with bigger, slower, less guard like/hustle player 3s. |
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Post Subject: Re: ebanks vs clark
Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:23 AM PST
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:29 AM PST
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| I like clark on the versatility end because he can play the 4 or 5 with that 610 body of his |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:33 AM PST
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purplengoldblood wrote:
I like clark on the versatility end because he can play the 4 or 5 with that 610 body of his
clark is a tweener, between SF and PF. but a 5 would be an impossible guard for him, he's skinny, he'd get overpowered and backd down to right under the hoop. he may not even be able to guard some 4s for this reason - skinny |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:39 AM PST
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| HAHAHAHA I meant 3 or 4 |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 11:05 AM PST
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| Would rather see a trade for a legit shooter at the three, or one more signing and let one of these guys go. Michael Petrus comes to mind, or Delfino. I don't think we need a duplicate player, Ebanks/Clark, they are basically projects, that have shown little, and we need to win NOW. We simply can't afford to have both on the roster, as they are similar non effective players. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 11:15 AM PST
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| Very similar players so lets see what our FO does. Ebanks is a better fit because he is actually a 3. Clark is more of a 4 that can't stretch the floor. Trade Goudelock and him for maybe Corey Brewer. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 11:22 AM PST
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| Honestly i would choose Devin Ebanks over Earl Clark. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 11:35 AM PST
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TheMagicontinues wrote:
Would rather see a trade for a legit shooter at the three, or one more signing and let one of these guys go. Michael Petrus comes to mind, or Delfino. I don't think we need a duplicate player, Ebanks/Clark, they are basically projects, that have shown little, and we need to win NOW. We simply can't afford to have both on the roster, as they are similar non effective players.
i think most of us would rather have a different SF, one who could shoot. the shooter would actually be a better fit with Nash than MEtta, he would probly play just as much.. but who do we have anything remotely valuable to trade?? for a john salmons... i dont think so  |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 12:52 PM PST
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| I think Earl Clark can turn out to be a Shannon Brown type player. By that I mean being a throw in in a trade and he ultimately surprises everyone by contributing off the bench |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 02:54 PM PST
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| at this point i would love to see the lakers ship out anyone of these guys (blake, morris, glock, ebanks, clark) to try and acquire pietrus and martin. i think that would complete our bench and these other guys are expendable in my opinion. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 02:58 PM PST
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jc89 wrote:
at this point i would love to see the lakers ship out anyone of these guys (blake, morris, glock, ebanks, clark) to try and acquire pietrus and martin. i think that would complete our bench and these other guys are expendable in my opinion.
if we had ANY draft picks available , i would view this likely. i second your suggestion tho. we do already have 4 shooters on the team, but the more the merrier. butttt if we dont pick up another, idc really, the Heat won a ring with a very imperfect roster.. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:17 PM PST
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| Both of them suck. Trade both of them, and Duhon or Blake for John Salmons, Shane battier (Sarcasm), Tony Allen, or J.J. reddick (Might as well go rape the magic some more) |
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purplengoldblood wrote:
I like clark on the versatility end because he can play the 4 or 5 with that 610 body of his
He gives us 5 bigs in our rotation as well. I can see ebanks in the following line-up towards the end of 1st and 3rd quarters. Ebanks will run good with Nash and Meeks on the floor together.
1. Nash
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3. Ebanks
4. Hill/Clark
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 03:27 PM PST
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TheSHOEMAKER wrote:
I think Earl Clark can turn out to be a Shannon Brown type player. By that I mean being a throw in in a trade and he ultimately surprises everyone by contributing off the bench
I think both players can fit the bill for what the Laker team needs. Hustle players. Our back-up small forward spot at this point does not have to be 20 point scorers, but long, athletic and ready to defend and be game changers. Clark and Ebanks DO fit that mold. Also Clark does give us a measure of versatlity to play the 4 at times. I like Clark,but if we keep both,I'm good. |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 04:20 PM PST
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| I say package them both + 5mill cash, and send them to Philly for Dorrel Wright lol(I wish) |
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Posted: Aug 13, 2012 - 04:33 PM PST
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Clark could be one of those acquisitions that work out like a Ariza or Shannon Brown when they weren't worth a damn in their previous setting. Perhaps the new culture can breath a new life to his way of basketball.
He possibly can be one of those mid-season trade-pieces. I just wish if a trade were to happen, Blake would be included. We need a talented, young guard that can learn of Nash |
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 - 07:31 AM PST
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| No doubt clark>ebanks. As much as I like banks defensive potential Clark has a much better skill set. Coming out of college he was considered a Lamar Odom type of combo forward. He can do it all just not that well. |
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| Having Clark play the back up 4 position is a no brainer! He is athletic enough to run hard and hustle even harder. Having him starting second qtrs with Pau at the center position is not a bad look at all for the team. I don't like the idea of him playing the 3 since Ebanks and more importantly Jamison can fill that bill much better than Clark would. |
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| Wtf are you people talking about Antwan Jamison has NEVER played a minute as a SF..He is a PF..SFs would toast his a**..Earl Clark is a way better option at the 3 than Jamison..Stop it already |
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sometimeswhy wrote:
Wtf are you people talking about Antwan Jamison has NEVER played a minute as a SF..He is a PF..SFs would toast his a**..Earl Clark is a way better option at the 3 than Jamison..Stop it already
Finally someone speaking the truth! |
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 - 01:41 PM PST
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LakerLuv24 wrote:
sometimeswhy wrote:
Wtf are you people talking about Antwan Jamison has NEVER played a minute as a SF..He is a PF..SFs would toast his a**..Earl Clark is a way better option at the 3 than Jamison..Stop it already
Finally someone speaking the truth!
Please someone educate me on something,who is Earl Clark?I am sorry but i don't know much about him what does he do?How was he in college?Is he a 3 point shooter,does he have range on his shots,is he athletic?Is he better than Devin Ebanks and how much better is he than Devin Ebanks in your opinion?Is Clark NBA ready?Can he be a major factor for the Lakers title run?What do you think he might average?Is he ahead in the rotation over all the bench small forwards? |
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Earl Clark > Devin Ebanks
I've followed Earl Clark since his Louisville days and he has a TON of potential. I believe Clark and Ebanks will be solid contributors to the Lakers. |
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Katie wrote:
LakerLuv24 wrote:
sometimeswhy wrote:
Wtf are you people talking about Antwan Jamison has NEVER played a minute as a SF..He is a PF..SFs would toast his a**..Earl Clark is a way better option at the 3 than Jamison..Stop it already
Finally someone speaking the truth!
Please someone educate me on something,who is Earl Clark?I am sorry but i don't know much about him what does he do?How was he in college?Is he a 3 point shooter,does he have range on his shots,is he athletic?Is he better than Devin Ebanks and how much better is he than Devin Ebanks in your opinion?Is Clark NBA ready?Can he be a major factor for the Lakers title run?What do you think he might average?Is he ahead in the rotation over all the bench small forwards?
my posts says it all. ebanks is the better shooter than clark.and both shot 0% from 3 last year....... |
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 - 07:12 PM PST
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 - 07:17 PM PST
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| This thread has no more meaning because it's obvious we're keeping ebanks. We just signed him so we can't trade him for a couple months I think. Clark is out. |
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Posted: Aug 14, 2012 - 07:46 PM PST
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All players just need minutes to contribute. Best case scenario is both Ebanks and Clark contribute with the minutes that they will get.
Ebanks will be the first SF from the bench. He should just run the floor and benefit from Nash.
Clark needs to improve his mid range game since Howard and Gasol will clog up the lane.
I like both players potential. |
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RandyPandy wrote:
All players just need minutes to contribute. Best case scenario is both Ebanks and Clark contribute with the minutes that they will get.
Ebanks will be the first SF from the bench. He should just run the floor and benefit from Nash.
Clark needs to improve his mid range game since Howard and Gasol will clog up the lane.
I like both players potential.
Me, too. |
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kobebryant978 wrote:
Earl Clark > Devin Ebanks
I've followed Earl Clark since his Louisville days and he has a TON of potential. I believe Clark and Ebanks will be solid contributors to the Lakers.
Again, 100% agreed. |
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Clark has shaky hands. Having to rely on him at any point during the playoffs scares the **** out of me.
I'd rather go with Ebanks. His midrange jumper is more efficient and he's every bit the finisher that Clark is. Defensively, Clark is good from the weakside but niether really stick out as more than below average. Both can't shoot from 3 very well but Ebanks has at least proven he's capable of hitting it. |
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sevankb24 wrote:
This thread has no more meaning because it's obvious we're keeping ebanks. We just signed him so we can't trade him for a couple months I think. Clark is out.
i had a feeling this guy didnt like me ever since i told him to give up on signing barbosa. and this^ confrims what i thought. this thread still has meaning guy, we're more than likely keeping both players and making no more moves, and one of these guys will play over the other. get off my booty bro,get me out ur mind,now, please. not everyones guna like ur ideas man, and yes some of ur ideas are wrong, thats life, u havnt learned to not take that personally yet? |
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| Ebank's was adviced by his agent to sign the offer sheet immediately after the Lakers got Clark from the DH deal....This were no coincidence they know that the Lakers got the same type of player as Ebanks....NOW, IMO the FO will play this one out, they will now wait and decide after the training camp which player they will keep for obvious reason our roster spot are almost full by history Lakers rarely fill 14 roster spot... |
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| Wow just watch Clark's highlight video (1st post)....the thing that you should take note is He likes to go left even if he is a right-hander....this is very good it usually keeps the defensive player off guard when a non-lefty suddenly goes strong to the left....expect him to drive the lane easily bec. of this....+ points to him... |
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| Earl Clark isn't a Small Forward. |
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| I really see Clark as a 4, not a 3. I say keep ebanks as the third sg. Let DJO develop in the D-league. Sign TWill for the remainder of the mini. Reunite Clark and Twill. I can imagine the Lakers building big leads and letting a squad of Morris, Meeks, TWill, Clark and Hill closing out games to their personal theme song. I can already hear it in my head. It sounds like "Run 'em, Run 'em!" |
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| Clark is a good deep bench player. Good for practice, mop up minutes. Ebanks should receive more minutes. Plus, the coaching staff has worked with Ebanks for a year - they will see improvement. |
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Posted: Aug 15, 2012 - 11:01 PM PST
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i had a feeling this guy didnt like me ever since i told him to give up on signing barbosa. and this^ confrims what i thought. this thread still has meaning guy, we're more than likely keeping both players and making no more moves, and one of these guys will play over the other. get off my booty bro,get me out ur mind,now, please. not everyones guna like ur ideas man, and yes some of ur ideas are wrong, thats life, u havnt learned to not take that personally yet?
Lmao I literally laughed when I read this. First off I don't target anyone on this site because I look at their comments on not their account name. I also realize that some of you wont like my ideas and vice versa but I'm not mad or anything, that's how it is. I'm just saying what I think the lakers should do and I understand you don't like that and I'm fine with it. But for you to think I commenting on this post saying that means I'm targeting you is stupid because I dont care who comments on the thread. I just feel that since we resigned ebanks that Clark is gone. |
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