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Post Subject: Knicks Interested In Kenyon Martin Again (Pg. 5)
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Report: Kenyon Martin talking to Nets, Lakers
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Aug 6, 2012, 1:51 PM EDT
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Things haven’t really changed that much on the Kenyon Martin front " he wants to get paid, not the league minimum but real money. And that’s not out there.
The Knicks might want him back at the minimum, but that’s not who Martin is talking to, according to Sam Amick at Sports Illustrated.
Kenyon Martin, meanwhile, isn’t so lucky. The 12-year veteran was a key reserve for the Clippers, his impact going way beyond his marginal numbers (5.2 points, 4.3 rebounds) for a team that reached the second round of the playoffs for the second time in franchise history. But sources said the 34-year-old power forward is holding up this later stage of the hiring process for frontcourt free agents, with the Lakers and the Nets among the teams he’s considering and negotiation leverage seemingly gone because so many of his colleagues seem willing to take minimum deals.
The Lakers are not offering anybody more than the minimum, team GM Mitch Kupchak said. The Nets are in the same boat.
This is what the new CBA brings.
With the harsher penalties of a stricter luxury tax kicking in next summer what you are seeing is this hitting the NBA’s middle class " teams will spend on real difference makers but if you are a role player you are going to get less money and shorter deals. Teams are not paying the tax for you, they will sacrifice a little experience and quality to save money.
Look at what one agent told Amick.
“Do I think that in the new CBA that you’re going to see a greater number of minimum wage players? Yes, there’s no doubt about it,” agent Marc Cornstein said. “I think you’re already seeing that and I think it’s a trend that will probably continue. More shorter deals and minimum deals.”
Martin is one of those guys now. He is not going to want to accept it. Neither are guys like Anthony Tolliver, Leandro Barbosa, Matt Barnes and Mickael Pietrus, but it is the new reality.
What do you think of another PF? is this a sign that Mc Roberts is leaving in a trade?? |
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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| Cause Kenyon helped the Clippers so much last year... smh |
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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2011"12 L.A. Clippers 42 0 22.4 .441 .231 .370 4.3 .4 1.0 1.0 5.2
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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| From what I seen last year with the Clips, K-Mart can still play defense. But I don't he'll get enough playing time with Antawn and Jordan sharing minutes at PF. Antawn hasn't play SF for the past few years. So I don't think the Lakers will move him back at that spot. He would be a disaster defensively at SF. |
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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| Kenyon Martin can actually guard 3s. He would be perfect to guard a guy like Lebron in the finals but we don't have playing time for him every night. Depends on the matchup. Guy plays hard though. Nets got Reggie Evans so I doubt they will go after him. Cavs could use him |
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Post Subject: RE: Kenyon Martin...
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| I quickly pass on this one... WOW... |
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Lakeshow07 wrote:
Kenyon Martin can actually guard 3s. He would be perfect to guard a guy like Lebron in the finals but we don't have playing time for him every night. Depends on the matchup. Guy plays hard though. Nets got Reggie Evans so I doubt they will go after him. Cavs could use him
He can. He guarded Rudy Gay well in the clutch in the Playoffs. K-Mart will give you hustle, energy and defense. |
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| Mcroberts wont play now with Hill and Jamison. Pick up K Mart for the vet min and not pay tax on him and trade McRoberts is a smart move. Saves a lot of money. |
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| I thought I read recently that Kmart stated he would not play for the vet's minimum?? Could be mistaken...I guess maybe he is changing his stance considering whats out there. |
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What a surprise, the collapse of the middle class in basketball. Ring any bells? Rather like the attack on the middle class by the rich overall in the USA these days. As Warren Buffet himself admitted a cple of years ago when asked about it. "There is a war going on between my class and the middle class, and my class is winning". Don't know about you but I found that admission shocking. And no one seemed to notice. Anyways, this CBA, written by billionaires, is taking money out of the pocket of millionaires. Same thing. THe rich get richer, for doing nothing but investing and sitting on their fat azzes. They don't shoot, dribble, defend, practice, work out...nothing. Such is life?
I wonder if a guy like K-Mart could make more playing overseas? If so that's where he and many other mid-level talents may end up if they are not against the idea, and are still playing for dollars. Could really change the face of the NBA in coming years. Meanwhile Id suggest offering K-Mart or whoever we go after a 1 year deal for the mini-mid, if they can be difference makers. Thus the contract ends and gets looked at again before the CBA kicks in. And the player makes a decent taste at least one more season. |
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| Keyon Martin would be a great addition to the bench. Vet minimum is a bargain for him. He brings defense and toughness, and like LakerFan4Life he can guard multiple positions, even the big small forwards. He would certainly be an upgrade to McRoberts. |
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Dave wrote:
Keyon Martin would be a great addition to the bench. Vet minimum is a bargain for him. He brings defense and toughness, and like LakerFan4Life he can guard multiple positions, even the big small forwards. He would certainly be an upgrade to McRoberts.
Exactly like I said he can guard many 3s even the faster ones because he moves his feet very well. All people think about is how a guy can contribute scoring. They don't look at the little details, hussle plays, deflections, mental toughness as an attribute. This guy would be nice especially if we ship out McBob who sucked for us |
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| WEll dont the lakers have 13 players under contract now? I think we need to keep our options open. If we get Meeks or Barbosa then only 1 more spot would be available. Lets not forget about Ebanks hasnt signed who i would like to see come back. I dont think the lakers are going to get him. He dosent play defense everynite like he used to, he's a headcase for any team. |
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CALIGUY23 wrote:
WEll dont the lakers have 13 players under contract now? I think we need to keep our options open. If we get Meeks or Barbosa then only 1 more spot would be available. Lets not forget about Ebanks hasnt signed who i would like to see come back. I dont think the lakers are going to get him. He dosent play defense everynite like he used to, he's a headcase for any team.
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I'd say if we got Barbosa or Meeks, and Martin we'd have a very good team. Give one the vet min, the other mini-mid. And what more could we want? Other than a possible swap of AB for DH. We'd be set big time.
Martin does play good D, even if he never scores, we need some D. WIth him and MWP we'd have a cple of very good stoppers. |
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Shepherd wrote:
I'd say if we got Barbosa or Meeks, and Martin we'd have a very good team. Give one the vet min, the other mini-mid. And what more could we want? Other than a possible swap of AB for DH. We'd be set big time.
Martin does play good D, even if he never scores, we need some D. WIth him and MWP we'd have a cple of very good stoppers.
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I thought I read recently that Kmart stated he would not play for the vet's minimum?? Could be mistaken...I guess maybe he is changing his stance considering whats out there.
Like the agent said. These role players have no other option. |
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| They do have another option...Europe |
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They do have another option...Europe
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| I wouldn't mind Martin, he was one of the Clippers best defenders in the post last season and provided them with some needed toughness. My one question is where would he fit in? We already have Gasol/Jamison/McRoberts and Bynum/Hill in the front court. I guess you can never have enough bigs though. |
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| if we sign kmart i hope we trade hill, if we dnt, i see no point in getting him cuz we have 2 others at that position now. watching kmart for the clips last year, i was very suprised at what he still had left in the tank, he actually had a little more lift than hill, and we was very active, and hits the J better than hill. i did hear hill will be getting the kobe surgery this offseason tho, looked like he needed it to me, he got boards but barely finished above the rim, he would produce more with a healthy knee |
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if we sign kmart i hope we trade hill, if we dnt, i see no point in getting him cuz we have 2 others at that position now. watching kmart for the clips last year, i was very suprised at what he still had left in the tank, he actually had a little more lift than hill, and we was very active, and hits the J better than hill. i did hear hill will be getting the kobe surgery this offseason tho, looked like he needed it to me, he got boards but barely finished above the rim, he would produce more with a healthy knee
Kmart, age 34, a guy at the very end of his career over Jordan Hill?
Jordan Hill(age 25) is just starting his career, played great minutes in the playoffs off the bench for us, and decided to choose the Lakers even though he was offered much more money to play elsewhere. |
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| i dont just look at age,at all. i look at production and how they actually play. kmart looked younger than hill last year... hit more Js, he actually got up more, was really active.. not an opinion, truth from watching. |
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| K-mart already said he wants more than a vet min. There is NO WAY the Lakers give K-Mart mini MLE...so not happening. And even if he did sign for the vet min, I would probably pass. |
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shouldbeGM wrote:
i dont just look at age,at all. i look at production and how they actually play. kmart looked younger than hill last year... hit more Js, he actually got up more, was really active.. not an opinion, truth from watching.
So, you would let a good big go, who doesn't need the ball to be productive, just so you could get Kenyon Martin for one year?
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shouldbeGM wrote:
if we sign kmart i hope we trade hill, if we dnt, i see no point in getting him cuz we have 2 others at that position now. watching kmart for the clips last year, i was very suprised at what he still had left in the tank, he actually had a little more lift than hill, and we was very active, and hits the J better than hill. i did hear hill will be getting the kobe surgery this offseason tho, looked like he needed it to me, he got boards but barely finished above the rim, he would produce more with a healthy knee
What are you talking about dude? Hill is just starting his career and after what he did with this laker team is by far great. Who wouldve though Hill wouldve been that player he was in the end of the season and playoffs. Im glad your not gm of this team. Signing Kmart and trading Hill just dont make any sense. |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsF4XBCaT5s jhill didnt get putbacks above the rim like this.. and he hits Js consitantly.. kmart looks like he has alot left in the tank,more than jhill. ha!
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| ( a lil more left in the tank than jhill) and jamison would play more minutes! and score more than Hill! were good with bigs! |
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Lakeshow07 wrote:
If Hill was to go down we don't have anybody unless McBob is not going anywhere.
I would be perfectly fine with McBob because I love his energy and hustle.
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| @edong i resonded to u.. but i agree that mcbob n nash in the pick n roll could be nice, if mcbob can consitently hit the midrange J, which he might be able to . same with jhill. hope he gets the kobe surgery tho, i saw no putbacks above the rim!! imagine if his knee was healthy, hed outjump even more bigs for boards |
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shouldbeGM wrote:
@edong i resonded to u.. but i agree that mcbob n nash in the pick n roll could be nice, if mcbob can consitently hit the midrange J, which he might be able to . same with jhill. hope he gets the kobe surgery tho, i saw no putbacks above the rim!! imagine if his knee was healthy, hed outjump even more bigs for boards
They say that McBob was hitting the mid range jumper while Indiana. If he could gain his confidence back with this, he will get more minutes this year. |
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They say that McBob was hitting the mid range jumper while Indiana. If he could gain his confidence back with this, he will get more minutes this year.
Actually he can hit the 3 too. I hope that Mike Brown uses McRob the way he's meant to be used if they intend to keep him. As of right now,Brown has made him into nothing more than a foul machine. |
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E-Dong wrote:
They say that McBob was hitting the mid range jumper while Indiana. If he could gain his confidence back with this, he will get more minutes this year.
Actually he can hit the 3 too. I hope that Mike Brown uses McRob the way he's meant to be used if they intend to keep him. As of right now,Brown has made him into nothing more than a foul machine.
Yeah Brown sandbagged him and G-Lock last year. They could have both given Pau and Kobe more time to rest on the bench throughout the year. |
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| And what is the often common denominator to our team concerns? Brown! He subbed badly, called poor playes, didn't use the bench well or in the right way. We might have been fine with our team as it was (plus Nash of course) if only Brown got replaced. I know some here defend him saying it was short season and so on. Maybe they're right. BUt I was against the Brown hiring right from the begininning and as I don't like to waste a minute of time, I won't bother going back on that for the sake of giving him another chance. If I ran the team he'd be gone... |
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Cut a Rook and sign the dude, He would be great with Nash, alley oops etc. Plus he's an energy guy, like Hill, he doesn't need plays run for him to score, Plus we NEED another big, Hill is it folks, (don't give me Jamison is a big) McBob is a 5 min a game guy.
A 2nd Unit of Hill, Martin, Jamison, Blake and Pau or Bynum would be not a bad unit, the could play some D, and keep a lead, or stretch it IMO |
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Shepherd wrote:
? Brown! He subbed badly, called poor playes, didn't use the bench well or in the right way. ..
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Scotty25
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:04 PM PST
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TheMagicontinues wrote:
Shepherd wrote:
? Brown! He subbed badly, called poor playes, didn't use the bench well or in the right way. ..
What bench?
Seriously people act like mike brown had something to work with when he had nothing. |
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Shepherd
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:07 PM PST
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TheMagicontinues wrote:
Shepherd wrote:
? Brown! He subbed badly, called poor playes, didn't use the bench well or in the right way. ..
What bench?
Well pple say McBob can hit the J and 3 well given the chance. But we didn't say that from him at all |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:07 PM PST
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| I would rather Birdman as he's a PF/C, but if Martin is ready to sign with the Lakers, they should sign him immediately. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:09 PM PST
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| i would trade jhill for a backup wing if we signed martin |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:10 PM PST
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Here's Emplay's thoughts on K-Mart...
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According to the rock-solid @sam_amick, Kenyon Martin is talking to the Lakers and Nets. For the Lakers, it doesn't add up if they have Pau, Jamison, Hill, Bynum and McRoberts - but if they think that out via a Howard trade with Josh out - Kenyon is a very solid add. He's the definition of surly and doesn't have much of any offensive game other than clean-up points - but he can still defend multiple positions and bailed out the Clippers more than once last season -
http://sulia.com/channel/basketball/f/6 ... e=twitter# |
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Scotty25
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:13 PM PST
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thatguyoverthere wrote:
I would rather Birdman as he's a PF/C, but if Martin is ready to sign with the Lakers, they should sign him immediately.
Why would you rather have birdman who is absolutely terrible. Don't get caught up in what he used to do or the name. |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:13 PM PST
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| this guy is a proven loser... not worth it... |
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Posted: Aug 06, 2012 - 05:17 PM PST
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| No thanks. Unless McBob goes out on a trade and he takes the vet min. He wouldn't play that much either way. |
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