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Post Subject: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 05:39 PM PST
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Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version Of Kobe Bryant
By: Jonathan Tjarks
Jul 25, 2012 6:35 PM EDT
In Team USA’s 100-78 victory over Spain on Tuesday, Kobe Bryant had six points, four rebounds and three assists. The most remarkable part of his performance was how unremarkable it was: he scored in the flow of the offense, picking and choosing his spots while making plays for his teammates.
In contrast, Kobe was the offense when the Los Angeles Lakers lost to the Oklahoma City Thunder in the playoffs. By Game 5, he was demanding the ball nearly every time up the floor.... Please log in to view the entire post.
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 05:53 PM PST
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I agree that Kobe should look to set up his teammates and demand less of the ball because LA got a lot of option to score, but I can bet my house that we wont see the Olympic Kobe in a lakers uniform. By the end of the season, Kobe will lead the lakers in shots and points.
What I think will happen because of the addition of Steve Nash, is that Kobe will get better looks hence increasing his field goal percentage, and efficiency.
But Lakers getting the Olympic Kobe is not even an option. Not the Black Mamba I know. Last time I checked, he was still a SHOOTING guard.
He will definitely tweak his game a "little" for the upcoming season. |
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 06:04 PM PST
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| What I really want from Kobe is more defensive intensity once again. He's getting lazier and lazier on defense because he has less energy to spend on it. But this season he won't have to battle as much in the post and overall on the offensive end so hopefully he'll put more energy on defense. Somewhat like he does with team USA. Since we don't have a lot of great defensive players either way, that would be very important. |
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 06:20 PM PST
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| Great points. It sounds like an article I would write, therefore it comes to no surprise that I agree with the author. I've been screaming this for the last couple of years. We'll see.... |
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 06:23 PM PST
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| only reason he makes plays for his teammates because all his teammates is superstars, and he can trust them to actually make it? |
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 07:02 PM PST
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| This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster |
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Post Subject: RE: Why The Lakers Need The Team USA Version of Kobe
Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 07:08 PM PST
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| I understand the premise of this article, but, I mean, it's not like kobe is playing with lebron, melo, durant, chris paul, deron williams . . basically the best on usa. |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 07:12 PM PST
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KobeForGOAT wrote:
This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster
I don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, but Kobe is not the only player on the team that can score. This seems to be the typical response when it comes to this topic. I'm sorry, but there are other players on the team that had a better shooting percentage than Kobe. Gasol and Bynum being 2 of them. The team is not solely a group of scrubs. The point is, there are other options than shooting contested shot after contested shot. It's a disrespect to the other players on the team when people say Kobe is the only player that can score. |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 09:34 PM PST
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| So ummm who's Durant? Lebron? DWade? CP3? Deron Will? |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 09:49 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
KobeForGOAT wrote:
This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster
I don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, but Kobe is not the only player on the team that can score. This seems to be the typical response when it comes to this topic. I'm sorry, but there are other players on the team that had a better shooting percentage than Kobe. Gasol and Bynum being 2 of them. The team is not solely a group of scrubs. The point is, there are other options than shooting contested shot after contested shot. It's a disrespect to the other players on the team when people say Kobe is the only player that can score.
I actually agree with lakerdude here. Kobe needs to back off on the isolations a bit and get other players involved like we know he can. Bynum Pau and Nash aren't scrubs. MWP will have an occasional good game and is definitely capable of averaging 10-14 points this year. The point is Kobe doesnt have to do it all alone. While he can't be as passive as he is in the Olympics, he can certainly make more of an effort. |
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lakerdude wrote:
KobeForGOAT wrote:
This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster
I don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, but Kobe is not the only player on the team that can score. This seems to be the typical response when it comes to this topic. I'm sorry, but there are other players on the team that had a better shooting percentage than Kobe. Gasol and Bynum being 2 of them. The team is not solely a group of scrubs. The point is, there are other options than shooting contested shot after contested shot. It's a disrespect to the other players on the team when people say Kobe is the only player that can score.
Let me pop that bubble
Gasol shoots his best percentage with Kobe on the floor. Pau Gasol averages 13 per as a Laker for his career, on par with his Memphis first option days, but his efficency went up because Kobe draws the doubles. Paus ts%, efg%, and per all go up with Kobe on the court and plummet when he leaves it. He isn't an offenseive first option because he isn't agressive by nature. People can talk all they want aout the OKC series, but LA lost all 5 games where Kobe sat and the Pau unit with Ron, Jordan, and the guards/Barnes were out there offensively, defensively, and on the glass handedly in every single game including their lone win because Pau never asserted himself as a scorer, playmaker, or anchor.
Andrew Bynum shot under 43% from the field on 20 attempts per game this year in the games Kobe didn't play. Andrew Bynum sees his ts% efg% and per increase when Kobe is on the floor and increase even more when Kobe is on the floor but Pau isn't. Kobe on the other hand actually shoots the ball better without Andrew Bynum, his ts% and efg% go up by 3-5% each when he actually has space from the plodding big being taken off the floor as he has driving lanes. Phil Jackson, Tex Winters, Rambis, and Shaw all saw and noted this in the past and advocated Odom finishing games andgiving Kobe room to not have the floor tilted and paint walled off. Kobe's inside scoring also increases when Bynum leaves the game once again because Bynum isn't in there being slow footed, non-agile, and taking up space.
Ron Artest, Ramon Sessions, Matt Barnes, Blake, Jordan Hill, Derek Fisher .... They all saw their ts%, per, and efg% go up with Kobe and down without him.
Nash has a huge effect on the guys he plays with but it doesn't take even a beginning level statistican to note that Kobe has had a net positive impact on every big he has played with from Shaq to Kwame to Mihm to Pau to Lamar to Andrew as they all have had career best fg%, spikes in overall efficency and contrary to popular belief still ate. Pau still has gotten the attempts he got as a first option, Shaq still got the attempts he was getting with Eddie and nick, Lmar still got his attempts he got at PF in Miami, and Andrew got the same fg attempts per game as Dwight Howard.
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 09:56 PM PST
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| THE WORST article ever by far... lol... The Lakers don't even have a second elite player let alone a dream team. lol... Anyone who agrees with this rides the short bus. |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 10:07 PM PST
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KBLO-24_7 wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
KobeForGOAT wrote:
This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster
I don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, but Kobe is not the only player on the team that can score. This seems to be the typical response when it comes to this topic. I'm sorry, but there are other players on the team that had a better shooting percentage than Kobe. Gasol and Bynum being 2 of them. The team is not solely a group of scrubs. The point is, there are other options than shooting contested shot after contested shot. It's a disrespect to the other players on the team when people say Kobe is the only player that can score.
Let me pop that bubble
Gasol shoots his best percentage with Kobe on the floor. Pau Gasol averages 13 per as a Laker for his career, on par with his Memphis first option days, but his efficency went up because Kobe draws the doubles. Paus ts%, efg%, and per all go up with Kobe on the court and plummet when he leaves it. He isn't an offenseive first option because he isn't agressive by nature. People can talk all they want aout the OKC series, but LA lost all 5 games where Kobe sat and the Pau unit with Ron, Jordan, and the guards/Barnes were out there offensively, defensively, and on the glass handedly in every single game including their lone win because Pau never asserted himself as a scorer, playmaker, or anchor.
Andrew Bynum shot under 43% from the field on 20 attempts per game this year in the games Kobe didn't play. Andrew Bynum sees his ts% efg% and per increase when Kobe is on the floor and increase even more when Kobe is on the floor but Pau isn't. Kobe on the other hand actually shoots the ball better without Andrew Bynum, his ts% and efg% go up by 3-5% each when he actually has space from the plodding big being taken off the floor as he has driving lanes. Phil Jackson, Tex Winters, Rambis, and Shaw all saw and noted this in the past and advocated Odom finishing games andgiving Kobe room to not have the floor tilted and paint walled off. Kobe's inside scoring also increases when Bynum leaves the game once again because Bynum isn't in there being slow footed, non-agile, and taking up space.
Ron Artest, Ramon Sessions, Matt Barnes, Blake, Jordan Hill, Derek Fisher .... They all saw their ts%, per, and efg% go up with Kobe and down without him.
Nash has a huge effect on the guys he plays with but it doesn't take even a beginning level statistican to note that Kobe has had a net positive impact on every big he has played with from Shaq to Kwame to Mihm to Pau to Lamar to Andrew as they all have had career best fg%, spikes in overall efficency and contrary to popular belief still ate. Pau still has gotten the attempts he got as a first option, Shaq still got the attempts he was getting with Eddie and nick, Lmar still got his attempts he got at PF in Miami, and Andrew got the same fg attempts per game as Dwight Howard.
Bubble meet BURST
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 10:26 PM PST
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| Surround Kobe with a team that is even half as good as the Olympic team and you could get your wish. The teams of the past several years could not hit a shot if their life depended on it and he gets to shoot many shots with the clock at two seconds due to their incompetence. |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 10:27 PM PST
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KBLO-24_7 wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
KobeForGOAT wrote:
This is dumb ... if Kobe dont score who will? Lakers dont have USA the roster
I don't mean to burst everyone's bubble, but Kobe is not the only player on the team that can score. This seems to be the typical response when it comes to this topic. I'm sorry, but there are other players on the team that had a better shooting percentage than Kobe. Gasol and Bynum being 2 of them. The team is not solely a group of scrubs. The point is, there are other options than shooting contested shot after contested shot. It's a disrespect to the other players on the team when people say Kobe is the only player that can score.
Let me pop that bubble
Gasol shoots his best percentage with Kobe on the floor. Pau Gasol averages 13 per as a Laker for his career, on par with his Memphis first option days, but his efficency went up because Kobe draws the doubles. Paus ts%, efg%, and per all go up with Kobe on the court and plummet when he leaves it. He isn't an offenseive first option because he isn't agressive by nature. People can talk all they want aout the OKC series, but LA lost all 5 games where Kobe sat and the Pau unit with Ron, Jordan, and the guards/Barnes were out there offensively, defensively, and on the glass handedly in every single game including their lone win because Pau never asserted himself as a scorer, playmaker, or anchor.
Andrew Bynum shot under 43% from the field on 20 attempts per game this year in the games Kobe didn't play. Andrew Bynum sees his ts% efg% and per increase when Kobe is on the floor and increase even more when Kobe is on the floor but Pau isn't. Kobe on the other hand actually shoots the ball better without Andrew Bynum, his ts% and efg% go up by 3-5% each when he actually has space from the plodding big being taken off the floor as he has driving lanes. Phil Jackson, Tex Winters, Rambis, and Shaw all saw and noted this in the past and advocated Odom finishing games andgiving Kobe room to not have the floor tilted and paint walled off. Kobe's inside scoring also increases when Bynum leaves the game once again because Bynum isn't in there being slow footed, non-agile, and taking up space.
Ron Artest, Ramon Sessions, Matt Barnes, Blake, Jordan Hill, Derek Fisher .... They all saw their ts%, per, and efg% go up with Kobe and down without him.
Nash has a huge effect on the guys he plays with but it doesn't take even a beginning level statistican to note that Kobe has had a net positive impact on every big he has played with from Shaq to Kwame to Mihm to Pau to Lamar to Andrew as they all have had career best fg%, spikes in overall efficency and contrary to popular belief still ate. Pau still has gotten the attempts he got as a first option, Shaq still got the attempts he was getting with Eddie and nick, Lmar still got his attempts he got at PF in Miami, and Andrew got the same fg attempts per game as Dwight Howard.
Bubble meet BURST
Yeah right dude. Gasol was an all star before he came to the Lakers. He doesn't need Kobe on the floor in order for him to score. Bynum shot 43% when Kobe wasn't there you say? That's Kobe's shooting percentage for the whole year. I guess if Bynum can shoot that crappy when Kobe is not there, and that is Kobe's average, then it seems to me that Drew can at least score at the same clip Kobe can.
I'm sorry dude, but Kobe isn't the only basketball player on the team. You act as if these guys were on any other team that Kobe wasn't on that they would never make a shot. How come the Lakers went 5 and 2 when Kobe was out if nobody else on the team can play? You would think according to you and other people who say Kobe is the only option, that the Lakers could never win a game without him. That's not the case. I'm not going back to the other seasons, but just last season. 5 and 2 without Kobe bursts your bubble. |
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| Guys please don't even dignify this silly thread with a response. This is comedy. |
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Posted: Jul 26, 2012 - 10:37 PM PST
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| The difference is: Bynum plays inside the paint one on one , inches from the basket and a lot of his FGs are dunks - Kobe carry the team, double teamed and triple teamed , hits on crunch when the others scared players throws him the ball and say "Please save us, i m crapping my pants" .... "PLOP" <--- thats the sound of your little bubble bursting |
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Guys please don't even dignify this silly thread with a response. This is comedy.
TRUTH. |
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KBLO-24_7 wrote:
Let me pop that bubble
Gasol shoots his best percentage with Kobe on the floor. Pau Gasol averages 13 per as a Laker for his career, on par with his Memphis first option days, but his efficency went up because Kobe draws the doubles. Paus ts%, efg%, and per all go up with Kobe on the court and plummet when he leaves it. He isn't an offenseive first option because he isn't agressive by nature. People can talk all they want aout the OKC series, but LA lost all 5 games where Kobe sat and the Pau unit with Ron, Jordan, and the guards/Barnes were out there offensively, defensively, and on the glass handedly in every single game including their lone win because Pau never asserted himself as a scorer, playmaker, or anchor.
Andrew Bynum shot under 43% from the field on 20 attempts per game this year in the games Kobe didn't play. Andrew Bynum sees his ts% efg% and per increase when Kobe is on the floor and increase even more when Kobe is on the floor but Pau isn't. Kobe on the other hand actually shoots the ball better without Andrew Bynum, his ts% and efg% go up by 3-5% each when he actually has space from the plodding big being taken off the floor as he has driving lanes. Phil Jackson, Tex Winters, Rambis, and Shaw all saw and noted this in the past and advocated Odom finishing games andgiving Kobe room to not have the floor tilted and paint walled off. Kobe's inside scoring also increases when Bynum leaves the game once again because Bynum isn't in there being slow footed, non-agile, and taking up space.
Ron Artest, Ramon Sessions, Matt Barnes, Blake, Jordan Hill, Derek Fisher .... They all saw their ts%, per, and efg% go up with Kobe and down without him.
Nash has a huge effect on the guys he plays with but it doesn't take even a beginning level statistican to note that Kobe has had a net positive impact on every big he has played with from Shaq to Kwame to Mihm to Pau to Lamar to Andrew as they all have had career best fg%, spikes in overall efficency and contrary to popular belief still ate. Pau still has gotten the attempts he got as a first option, Shaq still got the attempts he was getting with Eddie and nick, Lmar still got his attempts he got at PF in Miami, and Andrew got the same fg attempts per game as Dwight Howard.
Bubble meet BURST
I don't think there's a question that Kobe makes his teammates better. The Lakers were greatly impacted by his absence last season, since he was their best perimeter scorer who drew double-teams, like you said. That really exacerbated the Lakers' problem of spacing due to a lack of reliable 3-point shooters, which obviously affected the production of the bigs. That's why I wouldn't be too harsh on Kobe for shooting so many shots last season because the Lakers really had no reliable shooters to space the floor.
However, I don't think there's any question that Kobe does not and should not need to shoot as much as he did last season, which is what this article is all about. The Lakers have added Steve Nash and Antawn Jamison, both of whom can shoot the 3-ball and have the ability to score 10+ points/game, so I expect Kobe to have less than 20 Field Goal Attempts/game. There would be no reason for him to shoot that much with those two and perhaps another 3-point shooter like Brandon Rush, Jodie Meeks, etc. I also hope that Kobe will have less contested 3-pointers with 10+ seconds on the clock. Perhaps Nash will be able to change that. |
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| Kobe can shoot as much as he wants. Who cares... He will need his teammates to step up. The End. |
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| Kobe won't allow himself to not be the alpha on this team, just as simple as that. Just by past quotes its obvious, he eats at the table first, he said they go ff of his shots and so forth. This is why I fear the Lakers won't be able to win another ring under Kobe's leadership. If he actually dialed it back a little and played a role sort of like Paul Pierce and the team plays together instead of him having it as Kool and the gang then the team would be better. |
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| Kobe is an Alpha male he can't do that. |
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Kobe can shoot as much as he wants. Who cares... He will need his teammates to step up. The End.
Who cares? The Laker fans who want to win a championship care. Kobe shot more than any player in the league last year. What happened? We lost. Kobe shot us out of games 2 and 4 of the OKC playoff series last year. He shot as much as he wanted, like you seem to think is OK. If your a Kobe fan and don't care if the Lakers win a title, as long as he gets to shoot and do whatever he wants, then lets have Kobe lead the league in shot attempts this year like he did last year.
If you are a Laker fan, you want the ball spread around more, team basketball, feeding the bigs, and getting everybody involved.. Laker basketball leads to championships. Kobe shooting more than anybody in the NBA leads to being ousted in the 2nd round of the playoffs. If making it to the 2nd round and losing is satisfying enough for you, then by all means, let's let Kobe launch away..
Take your pick. is it more important for Kobe to have the green light to do whatever he wants while leaving us to be satisfied with a 2nd round exit like NBAtalewriter suggests, or is it better to play team ball and win a championship? |
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| @LakerDude STFU You said My Kobe is taking some Drugs and poppin Pills you have no credibility!. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 12:28 AM PST
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Surround Kobe with a team that is even half as good as the Olympic team and you could get your wish. The teams of the past several years could not hit a shot if their life depended on it and he gets to shoot many shots with the clock at two seconds due to their incompetence.
Funny how these comments are invisible when this team continues to blow teams out left and right every time Kobe's out with an injury.
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lakerdude wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Kobe can shoot as much as he wants. Who cares... He will need his teammates to step up. The End.
Who cares? The Laker fans who want to win a championship care. Kobe shot more than any player in the league last year. What happened? We lost. Kobe shot us out of games 2 and 4 of the OKC playoff series last year. He shot as much as he wanted, like you seem to think is OK. If your a Kobe fan and don't care if the Lakers win a title, as long as he gets to shoot and do whatever he wants, then lets have Kobe lead the league in shot attempts this year like he did last year.
If you are a Laker fan, you want the ball spread around more, team basketball, feeding the bigs, and getting everybody involved.. Laker basketball leads to championships. Kobe shooting more than anybody in the NBA leads to being ousted in the 2nd round of the playoffs. If making it to the 2nd round and losing is satisfying enough for you, then by all means, let's let Kobe launch away..
Take your pick. is it more important for Kobe to have the green light to do whatever he wants while leaving us to be satisfied with a 2nd round exit like NBAtalewriter suggests, or is it better to play team ball and win a championship?
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 12:31 AM PST
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gemfow wrote:
Kobe won't allow himself to not be the alpha on this team, just as simple as that. Just by past quotes its obvious, he eats at the table first, he said they go ff of his shots and so forth. This is why I fear the Lakers won't be able to win another ring under Kobe's leadership. If he actually dialed it back a little and played a role sort of like Paul Pierce and the team plays together instead of him having it as Kool and the gang then the team would be better.
Boston had good shooters from the perimeter during their peak the last few years. Kobe had??? DFish at best.
Anyways, I don't want to see Kobe going for 23 FGA per game again. Or play heavy minutes. I expect Nash to see to that.
19FGA, 24PPG, 5.1 AST, 4.5 REBS, 2.5 TOs at 46-47% shooting and taking less 3pt shots at the same clip would be a good season for him IMO. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 12:40 AM PST
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| Yea but Boston also Had Shaq if shaq wasn't injrued they would have won the championship. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 12:43 AM PST
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| dont ever diss kobe again or i will personally shaq dunk you ok |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 12:44 AM PST
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| Kobe Bryant will keep shooting. Get over it. That's also the best thing for the Lakers. Kobe's teammates are so overrated right now. There is only 1 elite player on the Lakers and that player is playing for team USA right now. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 01:27 AM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Kobe Bryant will keep shooting. Get over it. That's also the best thing for the Lakers. Kobe's teammates are so overrated right now. There is only 1 elite player on the Lakers and that player is playing for team USA right now.
Yes, I saw what you say is best for the Lakers last year. Kobe shot us out of a championship. If Kobe shooting 25 to 30 times a game and getting us knocked out of the playoffs with only one win in the 2nd round is what's best for us, then you won the debate.
Go Kobe. Shoot 25 times a game in next years playoffs. It is so much fun watching the Thunder in the finals rather than us. As long as Kobe shoots more than everybody else, I don't care if we win or lose. Go Kobe!!!! |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 01:55 AM PST
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Hellll yes kobe shoots too much,but LAKERDUDE , the fate of the ring rests on Bynums shoulders,not kobe. If Bynum grabs "every" rebound, and blocks more shots, we can't be beat. Plus I believe nash's game will make kobe shoots less.
Back to the matter at hand tho, if kobe was infact 15 pounds over weight last season, im mad as hell,wtf. Like he said his old a** knees need as much relieve as possible! Idiot! |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 01:59 AM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Kobe Bryant will keep shooting. Get over it. That's also the best thing for the Lakers. Kobe's teammates are so overrated right now. There is only 1 elite player on the Lakers and that player is playing for team USA right now.
Yes, I saw what you say is best for the Lakers last year. Kobe shot us out of a championship. If Kobe shooting 25 to 30 times a game and getting us knocked out of the playoffs with only one win in the 2nd round is what's best for us, then you won the debate.
Go Kobe. Shoot 25 times a game in next years playoffs. It is so much fun watching the Thunder in the finals rather than us. As long as Kobe shoots more than everybody else, I don't care if we win or lose. Go Kobe!!!!
You're just mad because that lazy BUM BYNUM is fixing to get traded. Don't you find it funny how nobody wants him? The Lakers, Mavs, Nets, Rockets, and Warriors all want Dwight. Nobody wants that Bum. Kobe has to shoot the amount of shots that he does with this overrated roster. BYBUM!!!! |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:03 AM PST
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shouldbeGM wrote:
Hellll yes kobe shoots too much,but LAKERDUDE , the fate of the ring rests on Bynums shoulders,not kobe. If Bynum grabs "every" rebound, and blocks more shots, we can't be beat. Plus I believe nash's game will make kobe shoots less.
Back to the matter at hand tho, if kobe was infact 15 pounds over weight last season, im mad as hell,wtf. Like he said his old a** knees need as much relieve as possible! Idiot!
WHy do you guys constantly WHine about the wrong person? Kobe is NOT the problem at all. Its literally everyone on this team but him... You don't hear Thunder fans whining about the amount of shots that Kevin Durant takes. This is seriously so stupid. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:08 AM PST
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shouldbeGM
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:10 AM PST
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| I wouldn't complain if kobe was in his prime,getting to the rim and finishing more. This kobe shoots 43% , kobe in his prime shot about 46. I've never seen kobe have so many 9-25 games, those 16 missed shots hurt a lot,if he makes a few more of those misses, wed have scored 100 a lot more |
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lakerdude
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:13 AM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Kobe Bryant will keep shooting. Get over it. That's also the best thing for the Lakers. Kobe's teammates are so overrated right now. There is only 1 elite player on the Lakers and that player is playing for team USA right now.
Yes, I saw what you say is best for the Lakers last year. Kobe shot us out of a championship. If Kobe shooting 25 to 30 times a game and getting us knocked out of the playoffs with only one win in the 2nd round is what's best for us, then you won the debate.
Go Kobe. Shoot 25 times a game in next years playoffs. It is so much fun watching the Thunder in the finals rather than us. As long as Kobe shoots more than everybody else, I don't care if we win or lose. Go Kobe!!!!
You're just mad because that lazy BUM BYNUM is fixing to get traded. Don't you find it funny how nobody wants him? The Lakers, Mavs, Nets, Rockets, and Warriors all want Dwight. Nobody wants that Bum. Kobe has to shoot the amount of shots that he does with this overrated roster. BYBUM!!!!
Good luck with that. Drew's not going anywhere. Your "BYBUM," chant has been going on for months and months, yet he's still here. I feel for you and your love for Dwight dude, but sooner or later reality is going to jump out at you. What then? |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:26 AM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
Good luck with that. Drew's not going anywhere. Your "BYBUM," chant has been going on for months and months, yet he's still here. I feel for you and your love for Dwight dude, but sooner or later reality is going to jump out at you. What then?
Mitch Kupchak is trying extremely hard to get rid of that overrated piece of garbage. Mr close out games are easy... They're easy for him, because he's usually sitting in the stands or walking up and down the court. ByBUM!! |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:28 AM PST
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shouldbeGM wrote:
I wouldn't complain if kobe was in his prime,getting to the rim and finishing more. This kobe shoots 43% , kobe in his prime shot about 46. I've never seen kobe have so many 9-25 games, those 16 missed shots hurt a lot,if he makes a few more of those misses, wed have scored 100 a lot more
Kobe was 2nd in the league in Scoring. Too bad we're stuck with that... SMH |
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PlzO
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 02:33 AM PST
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I agree. Steve Nash ought to be the man running the offense.
If Kobe understands what it means to have a true PG like Nash by his side (as he should, since he's playing on Team USA) then he would understand that by letting Nash run the show, he can still get his 20-25 points on a lot less shot attempts.
Bynum would have no excuse to be a lazy pouting brat for not getting his way. In fact, he needs a pre-game firecracker shoved up his a** so he can keep up with the pick-n-roll action every possession. |
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lakerdude
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:07 AM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
Good luck with that. Drew's not going anywhere. Your "BYBUM," chant has been going on for months and months, yet he's still here. I feel for you and your love for Dwight dude, but sooner or later reality is going to jump out at you. What then?
Mitch Kupchak is trying extremely hard to get rid of that overrated piece of garbage. Mr close out games are easy... They're easy for him, because he's usually sitting in the stands or walking up and down the court. ByBUM!!
In the end Drew will still be here, so the point is moot. All the posts on this site about getting Howard will unfold soon. What will everybody do when next year comes and Bynum is our center? What will you all do then? I dread to see the day...
If the Lakers end up with Howard I am good with it, but if they don't, what then? Will you be turn on the Lakers? |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:09 AM PST
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PlzO wrote:
I agree. Steve Nash ought to be the man running the offense.
If Kobe understands what it means to have a true PG like Nash by his side (as he should, since he's playing on Team USA) then he would understand that by letting Nash run the show, he can still get his 20-25 points on a lot less shot attempts.
Bynum would have no excuse to be a lazy pouting brat for not getting his way. In fact, he needs a pre-game firecracker shoved up his a** so he can keep up with the pick-n-roll action every possession.
Kobe was probably the happiest person on the Lakers when Steve Nash joined. Now everyone can blame Steve Nash for Bynum being overrated. |
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NBAtruthwriter
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:11 AM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
Good luck with that. Drew's not going anywhere. Your "BYBUM," chant has been going on for months and months, yet he's still here. I feel for you and your love for Dwight dude, but sooner or later reality is going to jump out at you. What then?
Mitch Kupchak is trying extremely hard to get rid of that overrated piece of garbage. Mr close out games are easy... They're easy for him, because he's usually sitting in the stands or walking up and down the court. ByBUM!!
In the end Drew will still be here, so the point is moot. All the posts on this site about getting Howard will unfold soon. What will everybody do when next year comes and Bynum is our center? What will you all do then? I dread to see the day...
I have to address this... You guys honestly think that Bynum is more clutch than Kobe?! LOLOL... You Bynum guys are more blind than I thought. |
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lakerdude
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:14 AM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
PlzO wrote:
I agree. Steve Nash ought to be the man running the offense.
If Kobe understands what it means to have a true PG like Nash by his side (as he should, since he's playing on Team USA) then he would understand that by letting Nash run the show, he can still get his 20-25 points on a lot less shot attempts.
Bynum would have no excuse to be a lazy pouting brat for not getting his way. In fact, he needs a pre-game firecracker shoved up his a** so he can keep up with the pick-n-roll action every possession.
Kobe was probably the happiest person on the Lakers when Steve Nash joined. Now everyone can blame Steve Nash for Bynum being overrated.
That's if Kobe will let Nash be Nash, and that is a huge, and I mean huge if. If that actually happens, you will see Bynum for what he really is, a baller that will finally have a player that gets the team involved. If Kobe allows it, Nash and Bynum will be the deadliest combo in the NBA. I book it... |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:18 AM PST
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| Andrew Bynum's days as a Laker are numbered. All of his blind fans need to follow him. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:26 AM PST
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@truthwriter ,my friend, sometimes main stats don't tell the most important story. Kobes highppg and bynums high rpg averages were disapointing. Bynum could grab 15rbg if he had a rebounders mentality(which is all we need from him this year), and kobe could have helped the team score more points if he shot a better % or let the bigs shoot more,cuz the bigs shoot a MUCH better %. Do u want kobes ppg to be as high as possible or the teams ppg to be as high as possible .......
@bynumdude bynum will be esier to gaurd in the pick n roll than pau will be with nash. Its simple fact, the D just has to help on bynums roll(which will still be effective cuz he gets UP), but with pau the D will have to pick their poison, Paus either guna have a wide open 16 footer or an open lane to roll. This is why we won't trade Pau now,him n nash in the pick n roll are guna be as effective as any combo in history,cuz of Paus size and his ability to shoot |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:30 AM PST
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KS_v2 wrote:
gemfow wrote:
Kobe won't allow himself to not be the alpha on this team, just as simple as that. Just by past quotes its obvious, he eats at the table first, he said they go ff of his shots and so forth. This is why I fear the Lakers won't be able to win another ring under Kobe's leadership. If he actually dialed it back a little and played a role sort of like Paul Pierce and the team plays together instead of him having it as Kool and the gang then the team would be better.
Boston had good shooters from the perimeter during their peak the last few years. Kobe had??? DFish at best.
Anyways, I don't want to see Kobe going for 23 FGA per game again. Or play heavy minutes. I expect Nash to see to that.
19FGA, 24PPG, 5.1 AST, 4.5 REBS, 2.5 TOs at 46-47% shooting and taking less 3pt shots at the same clip would be a good season for him IMO.
KSv2: My point being is if you looked at Pierce earlier in his career, he played more one on one, and stuff like that. Doc Rivers got him to play more into the team concept, allowed Rondo to get guys shots and Kobe is nowhere as patient as Pierce, Kobe will try to do it himself because he has said on quite a few occasions that he is the alpha male. If another player on the team is having a big game, Kobe still somehow finds a way to have the ball in his hands at all times in the fourth, no matter if Pau has 30 or Bynum has 30. That's not good basketball.
17-19 should be his shot attempts imo unless he is blistering hot. Seeing Kobe miss 8-10 shots in a row and still not trying to find anyone else is crazy to me. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:31 AM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Andrew Bynum's days as a Laker are numbered. All of his blind fans need to follow him.
Thanks for the warning my friend. I will look back at this in the future when Bynum is leading us to another championship. All I know is that the "Lakers" are the main focus, not Drew, and not Kobe. Whatever it takes for us to win another title is good enough for me... |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 03:52 AM PST
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| its funny how at the beg and end of Kobes career a shot limit is necessary cuz he takes too many bad shots, call them horrible shots with our bigs and how well they shoot.. Kobe will shoot at least 3 less shots or bad shots per game this year with our savior nash. Nash wouldn't have came here if he wasn't guna run the offense half to most of the time.. Nash will hepl kobe save energy and save him from bad shots, and kobe will help nash save energy when the balls in his hands, absolutley perfect pairing for his stage of their careers. |
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Posted: Jul 27, 2012 - 04:05 AM PST
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| So you guys are saying that the Lakers are as good as team USA. A lot of intelligent people on this site... |
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