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Post Subject: Kobe Bryant Provides A Mixed Blessing? Report Card:
Posted: Jun 02, 2012 - 01:05 PM PST
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This is the fifth in a series of posts grading the Lakers on their efforts in the 2011-12 season.
Player: Kobe Bryant, Lakers guard
How he performed: 27.9 points on 43% shooting and 4.6 assists in 38.5 minutes per game in the regular season; 30 points on 43.9% shooting and 4.8 assists in 39.7 minutes per game in the postseason.
The good: Reports of Bryant's demise proved to be greatly exaggerated. It turns out he simply needed an innovative procedure on his surgically repaired right knee and sprained left ankle to turn back the clock. Bryant provided so many reminders of just how dominant he remains despite the challenging circumstances surrounding him.
He entered the season with a torn ligament in his right wrist. No problem. Bryant went on a four-game tear in mid-January where he scored at least 40 points a game. He suffered a concussion and a broken nose during the All-Star game and needed to wear a plastic mask simply to play. Not an issue. Bryant dropped at least 30 points in the next three games. He entered Game 6 of the Lakers' first-round series against Denver battling intestinal flu symptoms. That didn't matter. Bryant played out of his mind by scoring 31 points on 13-for-23 shooting, while everyone else played as if they had a stomach virus.
All the greatness Bryant bestowed upon the Lakers featured everything you'd expect. He operated in the post, making stepback fadeaways and pull-up jumpers off efficient footwork. Bryant drove to the basket so much that he drew the most fouls since the 2006-07 season. In the 2012 NBA playoffs, Bryant dropped at least 40 points in two games and at least 30 points in five of them. For how dysfunctional and unorganized the Lakers' offense looked at times this season, his league-leading clip for most of the season helped bail the team out.
The body of work left everyone not necessarily amazed at the actual feat. Everyone's seen Bryant do this countless times. It left everyone in awe because of how many obstacles he had to overcome just to stay dominant. And that's just talking about his on-court performance.
As far as his leadership goes, Bryant built enough cache both within the team and fan base that it would've been understandable if he lost his cool this year. But he didn't.
Bryant's stony silence this summer showed his frustration the front office didn't alert him about the hiring of Mike Brown as coach. But Bryant immediately bought in and supported him, even when Brown weirdly benched him late in a regular-season game for unknown reasons. Bryant remained honest in his disapproval of the Lamar Odom trade and for hanging Pau Gasol's playing future in the wind. But he still gave the Lakers' front office public support, both toward General Manager Mitch Kupchak and executive Jim Buss.
As with everyone within the organization, Bryant stayed patient with Andrew Bynum's maturity issues. Still, he seemed to be the only one Bynum really listened to once Derek Fisher was traded. Bryant could've hung out in the trainer's room as he missed seven games because of a right shin injury. But he sat on the bench and became a de facto assistant coach. Bryant could've chased his fourth scoring title had he played in the season finale, but he opted for more rest.
Simply put, Bryant's on-court brilliance and off-court leadership helped the Lakers appear to be championship contenders even when the rest of the team's makeup suggested the Lakers had no shot.
The bad: For all the good qualities Bryant showed both in his play and leadership, the Lakers' start offered a few bad examples that proved too destructible.
First, involves how he carried the Lakers. Brown took a shortcut by leaning too heavily on Bryant's services. That resulted in Bryant averaging 38.5 minutes per game despite Brown's numerous proclamations he's play him between 33-35 minutes a night. It also contributed to Bryant shooting at a 43% clip, his lowest mark since his second year in the NBA. Say all you want about the Lakers' inconsistent bench and transition period under a new system. But the Lakers would've been better served if they worked on finding the perfect balance between Bryant, Bynum and Gasol. Instead, Bryant devoted a 27.9% plurality of his shots on isolation shots where he shot only 37.3%. Meanwhile, Brown found no scenarios to limit Bryant's playing time until a shin injury left the Lakers' coach with no other choice.
There were also instances where his high volume shooting hurt the team. Bryant and Brown somehow defended his six-for-28 clip in a New Year's Day loss to Denver despite Bynum and Gasol going over 60% from the field in that game. Brown first criticized Bryant for shooting nine for 31 in a regular-season loss to Washington, but then quickly apologized even though the film showed they were bad shots. And then in two games of the Lakers-Thunder series, Bryant's trigger-happy tendencies in the fourth quarter played a huge part in the team's unraveling.
But Bryant didn't own up to those mistakes. He showed frustration that Metta World Peace didn't pass him the ball on the final play of Game 2 even though he wasn't open. Bryant put too much blame on Gasol's turnover despite going two for 10 from the field in the fourth quarter. That ending soured an otherwise tremendous season.
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A-
As with anything regarding Bryant, his talent remains a blessing and a curse. A blessing because he remains one of the greats. A curse because sometimes it causes teammates to defer to him or Bryant to take over way too much. For the most part, Bryant struck a right balance between the two, but the circumstances varied from game to game. Regardless, the Lakers' playoff unraveling clearly showed they can't solely rely on Bryant's play, no matter how impressive it still is.
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Post Subject: RE: Kobe Bryant Provides A Mixed Blessing
Posted: Jun 02, 2012 - 01:07 PM PST
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I have a hard time giving Kobe an A- on the season.
Regular season...maybe.
But I"m still steamed at his bonehead decisions costing us a winable playoff series. That's something that will sit with me forever.
I'll give him a B for regular season and a C+ for the playoffs. |
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Post Subject: RE: Kobe Bryant Provides A Mixed Blessing
Posted: Jun 02, 2012 - 04:53 PM PST
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| As good as he may be, he need to change his game. |
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Posted: Jun 02, 2012 - 07:02 PM PST
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LKnight wrote:
I have a hard time giving Kobe an A- on the season.
Regular season...maybe.
But I"m still steamed at his bonehead decisions costing us a winable playoff series. That's something that will sit with me forever.
I'll give him a B for regular season and a C+ for the playoffs.
Apparently Bryant was co-writer on this grade. I'm so fed up with people unfairly giving Bryant due. Bryant is still a great player, he showed that but he is really lacking in the team chemistry department. You can't just say hey, be aggressive and think that's the cure all for players. How about getting guys some easy shots? Kobe passes as a plan B and its sad because he can be so much more. I miss the days of Kobe driving and actually finding a man with a nice interior pass, those days are gone. Those easy layups and dunks are what will get your big guys going it also motivates them to play harder.
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Posted: Jun 03, 2012 - 02:22 AM PST
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| A+ if you ask me. |
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userpete1037 wrote:
A+ if you ask me.
Do you give him an A+ for shooting 30 times a game? Do you give him an A+ when we were up by 7 with 2 minutes left in game 2 against the Thunder when he passed the ball to Durant and then lost another pass followed by missing contested shots making us lose? Do you give him an A+ after game four of that series when we were up by 13 with 8 minutes left in the 4th when he went 1 for 9? Damn, you must be grading him with rose colored glasses. How can you be taken seriously? What a funny post you made. Laugh out loud. |
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| Man you can save it. I dam sure ain't giving an A+ to Bynum. Hell yeah I'm biased just as you are with Bynum. A+ Mamba!!!!!! |
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userpete1037 wrote:
Man you can save it. I dam sure ain't giving an A+ to Bynum. Hell yeah I'm biased just as you are with Bynum. A+ Mamba!!!!!!
At least I am practical. I would not give Bynum an A+ and I never did. You gave Kobe an A+ after he lost us 2 big leads against the Thunder. That is laughable and predictable. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2012 - 02:35 AM PST
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| Whatever...I don't care about your thoughts. Go bark up somebody elses' tree. I don't have an Olive Branch for you. My opinions are mine alone. |
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userpete1037 wrote:
Whatever...I don't care about your thoughts. Go bark up somebody elses' tree. I don't have an Olive Branch for you. My opinions are mine alone.
Good for you. Lets give everybody an A+ from the assistant coaches and management, to the players. Well said dude. Let's give an A+ to everyone. I hope we can duplicate the season next year. A+''s across the board. Bravo Lakers, bravo. |
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| Sorry, but I'm starting to think that some of you all are mentally handicapped... Why do we keep discussing the best player on the team? There is nothing to discuss. Outside of Kobe needing some help... Its a waste of time discussing Kobe! Hopefully next season we'll have some players who will step up in the playoffs and help Kobe out. I'm out like Bynum and Pau in the playoffs... |
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Sorry, but I'm starting to think that some of you all are mentally handicapped... Why do we keep discussing the best player on the team? There is nothing to discuss. Outside of Kobe needing some help... Its a waste of time discussing Kobe! Hopefully next season we'll have some players who will step up in the playoffs and help Kobe out. I'm out like Bynum and Pau in the playoffs...
Yeah, Kobe was amazing this year. A+ all the way. He made every shot and made his team mates better. No one else did anything. It was all Kobe. I hope he repeats himself next year. Maybe we will win more than 2 games in the 2nd round. A+ to the Black Mamba. |
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lakerdude wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Sorry, but I'm starting to think that some of you all are mentally handicapped... Why do we keep discussing the best player on the team? There is nothing to discuss. Outside of Kobe needing some help... Its a waste of time discussing Kobe! Hopefully next season we'll have some players who will step up in the playoffs and help Kobe out. I'm out like Bynum and Pau in the playoffs...
Yeah, Kobe was amazing this year. A+ all the way. He made every shot and made his team mates better. No one else did anything. It was all Kobe. I hope he repeats himself next year. Maybe we will win more than 2 games in the 2nd round. A+ to the Black Mamba.
Nobody can make any of those BUMS better. Yes, It is everyone but Kobe's fault. Get outta here with that. You're blaming Kobe for no reason... ByBum! |
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I agree I would give Kobe an A. With all things considered, we didnt have our starting forward for 6 games in the 1st round, and we gave OKC, which obivously was more talented than us, all they could handle...and we could of easily won a couple more games against OKC. B ut, the bottom line, we still won our Division, and made it the second round, and was the 3rd best team in the Western conference. Considering, we lost our 6th man of the year in LO, we lost our inspirational leader in Dfish, and we had a new coach, new offensive system, and defensive system.
I know there are some here who would like to blame Kobe for our lost to OKC, but the bottom line, OKC had 3 stars, and several role players step up for them. While we only had Kobe who consistently showed up every game night in and night out. Bynum, was very inconsistent, and showed everyone that he is not a franchise player, and a leader. Pau, resorted back to being softer than Kleenex tissue, and really could not handle the role as a 3rd option. And we did not get anything from our bench....that was not Kobe's fault, that was the fault of the FO, for not putting enough talent to help Kobe.
At this point, unless we get lucky, and get a couple free agents to come and join us, then we definitely have to trade one of our bigs....I'm one of those who believe we need to trade Bynum, since he will provide us the most value at this point.
But, Kobe did the best he could do with the guys he was given on this team...if we can get a couple reliable wing players, and shooters, we should be back in the finals, led by our leader Kobe!!! |
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DaAssasins wrote:
I agree I would give Kobe an A. With all things considered, we didnt have our starting forward for 6 games in the 1st round, and we gave OKC, which obivously was more talented than us, all they could handle...and we could of easily won a couple more games against OKC. B ut, the bottom line, we still won our Division, and made it the second round, and was the 3rd best team in the Western conference. Considering, we lost our 6th man of the year in LO, we lost our inspirational leader in Dfish, and we had a new coach, new offensive system, and defensive system.
I know there are some here who would like to blame Kobe for our lost to OKC, but the bottom line, OKC had 3 stars, and several role players step up for them. While we only had Kobe who consistently showed up every game night in and night out. Bynum, was very inconsistent, and showed everyone that he is not a franchise player, and a leader. Pau, resorted back to being softer than Kleenex tissue, and really could not handle the role as a 3rd option. And we did not get anything from our bench....that was not Kobe's fault, that was the fault of the FO, for not putting enough talent to help Kobe.
At this point, unless we get lucky, and get a couple free agents to come and join us, then we definitely have to trade one of our bigs....I'm one of those who believe we need to trade Bynum, since he will provide us the most value at this point.
But, Kobe did the best he could do with the guys he was given on this team...if we can get a couple reliable wing players, and shooters, we should be back in the finals, led by our leader Kobe!!!
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Posted: Jun 03, 2012 - 10:34 PM PST
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Sorry, but I'm starting to think that some of you all are mentally handicapped... Why do we keep discussing the best player on the team? There is nothing to discuss. Outside of Kobe needing some help... Its a waste of time discussing Kobe! Hopefully next season we'll have some players who will step up in the playoffs and help Kobe out. I'm out like Bynum and Pau in the playoffs...
You really need to send Dave a pm and ask if you can change your username. You haven't spoken much truth on this site. I'll be honest, when I first saw your username I expected some big things and unfortunately I'll have to compare you to watching Snow White and the Huntsman, quite disappointing because of my own high expectations.
You clearly are a kobe fan and can't see past that. To you Kobe has no weaknesses and shouldn't be discussed. Kobe is still a fantastic player but he is part of the problem. Kobe's mistrust in teammates after them missing three shots in a row is a problem, Kobe receiving the ball and sizing up his man for eight seconds is a problem, Kobe shooting the ball 23 times a game to average 28 points is a problem, Kobe taking shots out the flow of the offense is a problem, Kobe jacking long threes when he has a long defender on him is a problem. I don't understand how people can't see that kbe is an issue on this team as well. If the Lakers move one of the bigs then it should free up the paint a little bit because Kobe showed against OKC that his mid range post game is killer against guys his height and smaller.
Kobe is t the only one with problems on the Lakers but don't act as if Kbe is by himself and doesn't have any help. Kobe acts as if he doesn't have any help but that's because he has big men who are talented and who need to be given the ball not another perimeter guy who can create, which is who the Lakers need to trade Gasol for before Kobe shoots his way to 34,000 points and stays at five rings. |
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Posted: Jun 03, 2012 - 11:19 PM PST
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I give Kobe a A++ that is how good that athlete is. If we could just get the lead of Andrew Bynums a**, he might win another championship. I hope they make some big changes surrounding Kobe. This man needs some help, not centers that pout about everything.
nbatruthwriter hit the nail right on the head. We should not even question whether Kobe is doing his job. He is the only Laker that does. |
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I'm a huge kobe supporter and I'd give him an A+ for effort. More than I can say for anybody else on our team. However, a good point is made that he is not doing his best with team chemistry. He's stated time and again that he is not a distributor but a scorer. That means we need a distributor to make the team better. Since he is forced to be a distributor but rarely does well at it he drops to an average B this season. Again effort is an A, overall a B.
The sad part is, he gets the highest grade on the team so are team is hurting right now. Kobe will continue to hone his craft and be the best scorer in the league. Hopefully some other players will be added that balance the team out.
For those of you bashing Kobe this year, I get the one on one ball he shoves down our throats, but lets not take shots on his effort. The guy is a class act when it comes to hard work ethic. We need a damn point guard. Trade one of our two centers that don't play well together. |
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I'm a huge kobe supporter and I'd give him an A+ for effort. More than I can say for anybody else on our team. However, a good point is made that he is not doing his best with team chemistry. He's stated time and again that he is not a distributor but a scorer. That means we need a distributor to make the team better. Since he is forced to be a distributor but rarely does well at it he drops to an average B this season. Again effort is an A, overall a B.
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I love my Lakers n always supported Kobe however it is sad to see that he didnt make as much effort as possible in the 4th quarter to trust his team mates. He demanded the ball and went Kobe vs whoever only to pass if the shot was impossible w/several seconds left in the shot clock.
On the regular season, I am ok w/giving Kobe an A however, there is no possible way he gets an A for playoffs. He is experience enough and knows what kind of game he needs to play to win these series.
We know he is Mr. 4th quarter n clutch but his demeanor for not getting the pass, blaming Pau and everyone else is a joke. He doesnt run back after missing triple team fade aways and should have run out to foul after blake missed that 3 ... instead he whines!
I am hard on Kobe because he is hard on everyone else. yes, he is the star but he should know better as the star and veteran on the team.
Wouldnt it be easier if he goes of a pick, draws 2 defenders n passes to either Pau. Bynum, Barnes, Metta. Sessions ... for an easy layup or dunk?
Pick n roll means use the pick and if you have the shot ... shoot it or pass it not waive of the pick n dribble against 2 or 3 defenders to a corner! Duh!
I hope Kobe changes his ways in the 4th quarter and please get a new coach! Jerry Sloan?
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lakerfan8 wrote:
I'm a huge kobe supporter and I'd give him an A+ for effort. More than I can say for anybody else on our team. However, a good point is made that he is not doing his best with team chemistry. He's stated time and again that he is not a distributor but a scorer. That means we need a distributor to make the team better. Since he is forced to be a distributor but rarely does well at it he drops to an average B this season. Again effort is an A, overall a B.
The sad part is, he gets the highest grade on the team so are team is hurting right now. Kobe will continue to hone his craft and be the best scorer in the league. Hopefully some other players will be added that balance the team out.
For those of you bashing Kobe this year, I get the one on one ball he shoves down our throats, but lets not take shots on his effort. The guy is a class act when it comes to hard work ethic. We need a damn point guard. Trade one of our two centers that don't play well together.
Kobe may have said he isn't a distributor and he is correct on that. Kobe is such a great player that he can actually do a better job of that and everyone on this site has seen him play a distributing type roll and do it well. we have seen Kobe have games where he has six assists in the first half and probably should have had more if certain guys were aggressive. This is why I'm pretty hard on my criticism of Kobe, a player who can damn near do anything on the court but he chooses scoring and I'm not saying the team doesn't need that but looking at the perimeter guys on the team, we all know they need to be set up. |
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I give Kobe a A++ that is how good that athlete is. If we could just get the lead of Andrew Bynums a**, he might win another championship. I hope they make some big changes surrounding Kobe. This man needs some help, not centers that pout about everything.
nbatruthwriter hit the nail right on the head. We should not even question whether Kobe is doing his job. He is the only Laker that does.
A++? Yeah apparently your school is just giving out grades. Kobe is an all time great, one of the best ever and still one of the best in the game now. The problem isn't just his teammates like people try to point out. You guys act as if you guys haven't watched Kobe run to the pinch post and demand the ball, pretty much stopping the offense and I'm not talking about plays that are ran for Kobe. Kobe still continues to mistrust his teammates even though most played better in his absence, except for Bynum who showed his immaturity by trying to get as many shots he could with Kobe sitting. I can't co-sign a center shooting such a low percentage even though I can admit he would hit a shot after missing two easy ones or a shot block which automatically would mean he shot 33% on one shot made.
I think what's going on with some of you guys is that you're just posting stuff about a player just to get a response or throw it in the face of a so-called Bynum supporter, especially if you're a Kobe fan. You took a shot at Bynum once again, what a shocker.
I've seen you on here long enough and I have a hard time believing that you feel Kobe deserves an A++. We have all seen Kobe enough to know last season was not all that but if people feel its great to avg 28 points in that fashion then apparently the game has changed. He put up Allen Iverson numbers this season, high points with a low percentage. KD shoots a lot of jumpshots as well but he does more catch and shoot and posts which leads to better shots, not sizing a man up and pulling up in his face almost each time. |
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| I'd also like to say that I'm getting a little tired of reading people fighting and arguing on here..this is a place where were suppose to share opinions and share our love for the lakers...if u don't agree with something someone has to say then respectfully tell them instead of downgrading them..it's getting a little ridiculous if u ask me..were all adults here well at least most of us are and I think there should be a little more respect...I may not agree with some ppls opinions but that doesn't mean I'm gonna downgrade them for not thinking like I do...This may go unheard and it may continue idk I would just hope maybe it might work out a little bit.. |
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A+ for effort. No questions there.
B+ for impact on the team.
C+/B- for clutch plays during the POs.
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What a lot of Laker fans do not understand is that the shooting guard is not suppose to be the facilitator. It is the job of the point guard to distribute the ball to the players that are open and can make shots. Kobe is a shooting guard. It would be a waste of a good shooting guard to be passing up shots because he has to do the job of the point guard. Everybody has to do their job. The thing is too many fans want Kobe to give up his shots so that somebody else who might not be as good a shooter to take the shots. It does not work that way. Kobe demands the ball, but so should other players like Bynum and Pau, even MWP if they have gotten good position to take the shots. Kobe will give them the ball, but he really does not have to if he has a good look at the basket. He is a shooting guard, not a point guard to facilitate. Just remember that and you will understand why Kobe says his job is to shoot, not to facilitate.  |
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Axle wrote:
What a lot of Laker fans do not understand is that the shooting guard is not suppose to be the facilitator. It is the job of the point guard to distribute the ball to the players that are open and can make shots. Kobe is a shooting guard. It would be a waste of a good shooting guard to be passing up shots because he has to do the job of the point guard. Everybody has to do their job. The thing is too many fans want Kobe to give up his shots so that somebody else who might not be as good a shooter to take the shots. It does not work that way. Kobe demands the ball, but so should other players like Bynum and Pau, even MWP if they have gotten good position to take the shots. Kobe will give them the ball, but he really does not have to if he has a good look at the basket. He is a shooting guard, not a point guard to facilitate. Just remember that and you will understand why Kobe says his job is to shoot, not to facilitate.
That's a cop out dude. If you want to go by the basketball handbook then you are right. However, that means Kobe needs to stop dominating the ball so much because he handles the ball as much as a point guard does. My point is and always has been that Kobe is talented enough to do more than just try to shoot the ball anytime it touches his hands.
Just like peoplesay there are other ways to impact the game, then him setting up his teammates would be one of them. It's good that players like Brandon Roy didn't just say hey, I'm a sg, I shouldn't have to facilitate. It's about giving the team what it needs and if you can do it then do it. |
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| I'd give Kobe a B- overall. If he had been able to carry the team past the Thunder (Jordan, Bird, or Magic would have), I'd have given Kobe an A. Sadly, that was not the case. Still, I was actually surprised the old man could still put up those somewhat impressive numbers, so I'll give him a B for the regular season and a B- for the playoffs. It was not Kobe's worst individual season, but it was far from his best. I wish I could say it was gonna get better for Kobe next year, but I think we all know it won't. He'll just be a year older, sadly. |
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I'd give Kobe a B- overall. If he had been able to carry the team past the Thunder (Jordan, Bird, or Magic would have), I'd have given Kobe an A. Sadly, that was not the case. Still, I was actually surprised the old man could still put up those somewhat impressive numbers, so I'll give him a B for the regular season and a B- for the playoffs. It was not Kobe's worst individual season, but it was far from his best. I wish I could say it was gonna get better for Kobe next year, but I think we all know it won't. He'll just be a year older, sadly.
Jordan, Bird, or Magic would NOT have carried this team full of bums anywhere. That's where you are dead wrong. All of those players had help that played consistent and hard. Unlike Bynum the big mirage... Bynum will be a year dumber next season. Hopefully with another team... Give it up guys. It was proven that Bynum is overrated. |
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Jordan, Bird, or Magic would NOT have carried this team full of bums anywhere. That's where you are dead wrong. All of those players had help that played consistent and hard. Unlike Bynum the big mirage... Bynum will be a year dumber next season. Hopefully with another team... Give it up guys. It was proven that Bynum is overrated.
What are you talking about Bynum for? This is a thread about Kobe's grade, not Bynum's grade.
I still think Magic, Bird, or Jordan would have carried this year's Laker team further than Kobe could. They were greater players than Kobe though, so that's understandable. Kobe was great this year until the 4th quarter, and then things would often get ugly. Kobe recently said Lebron was the best player in the world. I guess Kobe's new found love for Lebron has evolved to the point where Kobe's taking lessons from Lebron in how to "perform" in the 4th quarter. LOL
Keep taking shots at Bynum NBA-lie-writer, and I'll fire right back at your boy Kobe. You wanna keep dissing my favorite Laker, then I'll trash yours. |
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| I think that with the chemistry issues that has this roster, this team had only reached deeper into the playoffs with Earvin Johnson because he has been the best team player that has been existed |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
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Jordan, Bird, or Magic would NOT have carried this team full of bums anywhere. That's where you are dead wrong. All of those players had help that played consistent and hard. Unlike Bynum the big mirage... Bynum will be a year dumber next season. Hopefully with another team... Give it up guys. It was proven that Bynum is overrated.
What are you talking about Bynum for? This is a thread about Kobe's grade, not Bynum's grade.
I still think Magic, Bird, or Jordan would have carried this year's Laker team further than Kobe could. They were greater players than Kobe though, so that's understandable. Kobe was great this year until the 4th quarter, and then things would often get ugly. Kobe recently said Lebron was the best player in the world. I guess Kobe's new found love for Lebron has evolved to the point where Kobe's taking lessons from Lebron in how to "perform" in the 4th quarter. LOL
Keep taking shots at Bynum NBA-lie-writer, and I'll fire right back at your boy Kobe. You wanna keep dissing my favorite Laker, then I'll trash yours.
He's not the only one, there are a few posters on here who take shots at Bynum for no reason and anything positive he did its pretty much a back-handed compliment. |
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| I agree with u lakeshowsd about Jordan and magic taking this team bc one magic is what this team needs exactly is a great distributer and Jordan just bc he was, well Jordan but no way bird would have...I will never try and diss Bynum bc I no even my fav player Kobe has his faults bout him. But like I said earlier the thing that frustrates me bout Bynum is that I have seen how talented he is and how dominate he can be but for some reason he doesn't seem to keep that drive throughout the game..I no some Of that can be frustration on his part bc he wants the ball more(and deservedly so) but just bc u don't get the ball like u want to doesn't mean u stop fighting for boards or on defense or other things like that...that's my only problem I hav with him...is bc I see how much skill and dominate he can be but he doesn't seem to use those Mad skills 24/7....u no what I mean? And like I said I Jo Kobe has his faults and needs to defer more to Bynum...but do u understand where I'm coming from? |
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| A. He carried the Lakers all the season. Played 35+ minutes at 33. Almost clinched the scoring title. Did a nice coaching job when he was injured. Played through injury at the begining of the season. |
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| Kobe Bryant gets an A. What does the rest of the team get? |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
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Jordan, Bird, or Magic would NOT have carried this team full of bums anywhere. That's where you are dead wrong. All of those players had help that played consistent and hard. Unlike Bynum the big mirage... Bynum will be a year dumber next season. Hopefully with another team... Give it up guys. It was proven that Bynum is overrated.
What are you talking about Bynum for? This is a thread about Kobe's grade, not Bynum's grade.
I still think Magic, Bird, or Jordan would have carried this year's Laker team further than Kobe could. They were greater players than Kobe though, so that's understandable. Kobe was great this year until the 4th quarter, and then things would often get ugly. Kobe recently said Lebron was the best player in the world. I guess Kobe's new found love for Lebron has evolved to the point where Kobe's taking lessons from Lebron in how to "perform" in the 4th quarter. LOL
Keep taking shots at Bynum NBA-lie-writer, and I'll fire right back at your boy Kobe. You wanna keep dissing my favorite Laker, then I'll trash yours.
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
lakeshowsd wrote:
NBAtruthwriter wrote:
Jordan, Bird, or Magic would NOT have carried this team full of bums anywhere. That's where you are dead wrong. All of those players had help that played consistent and hard. Unlike Bynum the big mirage... Bynum will be a year dumber next season. Hopefully with another team... Give it up guys. It was proven that Bynum is overrated.
What are you talking about Bynum for? This is a thread about Kobe's grade, not Bynum's grade.
I still think Magic, Bird, or Jordan would have carried this year's Laker team further than Kobe could. They were greater players than Kobe though, so that's understandable. Kobe was great this year until the 4th quarter, and then things would often get ugly. Kobe recently said Lebron was the best player in the world. I guess Kobe's new found love for Lebron has evolved to the point where Kobe's taking lessons from Lebron in how to "perform" in the 4th quarter. LOL
Keep taking shots at Bynum NBA-lie-writer, and I'll fire right back at your boy Kobe. You wanna keep dissing my favorite Laker, then I'll trash yours.
Everyone knows that your stupid comments are a result of your bias for The Big Mirage.
"Stupid comments?" Your calling LSD stupid? I called out someone's basketball IQ once and I got a warning, calling it a personal attack. I think you should get a warning also. Mods? |
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Grading Kobe for the regular season doesn't mean nearly as much as grading Kobe for the playoffs, because championships are won in the playoffs....
Didn't Kobe shoot 11% from the 3-point line in the Thunder series? That's just horrific. I can't give him anything even close to an A for the playoffs. Last year Kobe would have earned a D+ or a C- for some of his worst career efforts in the playoffs VS the Hornets and Mavs. This year he was better than last year at least, so I give him a B-. Look at the years where Kobe won championships and you'll see how his stats were better than what he did this year. What Kobe gave us in these 2012 playoffs just wasn't championship quality basketball. I'm sorry to say it, but that's the truth.
In the years Kobe won titles, he rebounded better, assisted better, shot better overall shooting percentages from the floor, and was a better closer at the end of games. Kobe seems to have lost a lot of his edge due to old age. Sure, he proved he can still score 30 a game, but it's at declining levels of efficiency compared to previous championship years, and the 3-point shot has all but abandoned him. Old Kobe Bryant has become a volume shooter/scorer now. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial. |
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In the years Kobe won titles, he rebounded better, assisted better, shot better overall shooting percentages from the floor, and was a better closer at the end of games. Kobe seems to have lost a lot of his edge due to old age. Sure, he proved he can still score 30 a game, but it's at declining levels of efficiency compared to previous championship years, and the 3-point shot has all but abandoned him. Old Kobe Bryant has become a volume shooter/scorer now. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
I agree with you, Kobe is getting old and his efficiency is getting worst. Thats why he needs help to win another ring. If his teammates dont prove they can help him, he will go heroball all games. |
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| You're wasting your time! Kobe isn't going anywhere. I can't understand why you guys like anyone else on this team right now. Kobe is the only TRUE elite player that we have! |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
Grading Kobe for the regular season doesn't mean nearly as much as grading Kobe for the playoffs, because championships are won in the playoffs....
In the years Kobe won titles, he rebounded better, assisted better, shot better overall shooting percentages from the floor, and was a better closer at the end of games. Kobe seems to have lost a lot of his edge due to old age. Sure, he proved he can still score 30 a game, but it's at declining levels of efficiency compared to previous championship years, and the 3-point shot has all but abandoned him. Old Kobe Bryant has become a volume shooter/scorer now. Anyone who says otherwise is in denial.
Rebounding? lol... Bynum got outrebounded by Durant in the last two games, but you're calling out Kobe's rebounding? lol... Get out of here with that! In the years that Kobe won titles, he had help. Assists? Who is Kobe supposed to pass to right now in crucial situations? He didn't have to carry as much of the load then. He had an alert team then smarty pants... He could afford to focus on other things besides scoring for 1 MINUTE in the game. lol... You don't have a point. |
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| Bynum is the only Laker that shouldn't be on the trading block. If the Lakers build around him, they will have another dynasty. Get him the right players that will use and go through him, and we will be unstoppable. If you have a player that shoots 30 times a game and ignores our best player, it only causes problems. Bynum is a winner, and he knows the way that it's going now, we won't win. Anybody can understand why he's played frustrated. All the Lakers have to do is build a team around Drew, some good shooters and a star pg, and we will win multiple championships. The hot dogging days of Kobe are over. He can't play hero ball anymore, we have to play a team game. I'm tired of having a lead and losing it in the 4th because someone decides to try and do it on their own. It's old as hell. |
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lakerdude wrote:
Bynum is the only Laker that shouldn't be on the trading block. If the Lakers build around him, they will have another dynasty. Get him the right players that will use and go through him, and we will be unstoppable. If you have a player that shoots 30 times a game and ignores our best player, it only causes problems. Bynum is a winner, and he knows the way that it's going now, we won't win. Anybody can understand why he's played frustrated. All the Lakers have to do is build a team around Drew, some good shooters and a star pg, and we will win multiple championships. The hot dogging days of Kobe should are over. He can't play hero ball anymore, we have to play a team game. I'm tired of having a lead and losing it in the 4th because someone decides to try and do it on their own. It's old as hell.
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NBAtruthwriter wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
Bynum is the only Laker that shouldn't be on the trading block. If the Lakers build around him, they will have another dynasty. Get him the right players that will use and go through him, and we will be unstoppable. If you have a player that shoots 30 times a game and ignores our best player, it only causes problems. Bynum is a winner, and he knows the way that it's going now, we won't win. Anybody can understand why he's played frustrated. All the Lakers have to do is build a team around Drew, some good shooters and a star pg, and we will win multiple championships. The hot dogging days of Kobe should are over. He can't play hero ball anymore, we have to play a team game. I'm tired of having a lead and losing it in the 4th because someone decides to try and do it on their own. It's old as hell.
Everything that you said is the OPPOSITE of the truth. How do you do it?
What part did I lie about? Did Kobe finish the 4th quarters in games 2 and 4 against the Thunder? If he's going to try and be the hero, he better finish. He left our bigs out and single handedly lost those 2 huge games for us. He's not finishing games. If your main guy can't finish games, it's time to let someone else try. That person is Bynum. |
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lakerdude wrote:
What part did I lie about? Did Kobe finish the 4th quarters in games 2 and 4 against the Thunder? If he's going to try and be the hero, he better finish. He left our bigs out and single handedly lost those 2 huge games for us. He's not finishing games. If your main guy can't finish games, it's time to let someone else try. That person is Bynum.
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Lakerdude, you sound like a broken record. Listen to NBAtruthwriter and learn a few things. What he has posted is right on the money. Kobe used to have better team players back then what he has now. The supporting cast are mediocre to say the least. Bynum is no Shaq, Pau is no Horry. Session is not as good as a young Fisher.
Just face it, Kobe is the only real good player the Lakers have and Mitch has to do something this summer to improve this team. I don't care who they trade, as long as it improves the Lakers. Every player is on the trading block except Kobe. |
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Axle wrote:
Lakerdude, you sound like a broken record. Listen to NBAtruthwriter and learn a few things. What he has posted is right on the money. Kobe used to have better team players back then what he has now. The supporting cast are mediocre to say the least. Bynum is no Shaq, Pau is no Horry. Session is not as good as a young Fisher.
Just face it, Kobe is the only real good player the Lakers have and Mitch has to do something this summer to improve this team. I don't care who they trade, as long as it improves the Lakers. Every player is on the trading block except Kobe.
No dude, you sound like a broken record. I saw the last 2 years with Kobe as the leader. He can't do it anymore. He can't finish like he used too, but he still thinks he can. If you can't come to grips that He killed us at the end of game 2 and game 4 against the Thunder, then that's your problem. The only way for the Lakers to have a chance with Kobe leading is if Phil came back somehow. He can not be contained by any other coach.
Kobe shoots us out of games, and the coach comes out and says it's O.K. and that he can shoot as much as he wants. What do you know, he takes him up on it. Kobe is our coach now, and it sucks. It's time for Bynum to be the leader. He is the only player that should be safe, unless Phil comes back, which he isn't. I've been a Kobe fan since day 1, but it doesn't mean I'm blind. You need to take off your Kobe glasses. It's time for a change. Bynum is our only chance. |
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