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Post Subject: Jim Buss will be on the Mason and Ireland show around 3pm PT
Posted: May 31, 2012 - 05:09 PM PST
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Post Subject: RE: Jim Buss will be on the Mason and Ireland show around 3p
Posted: May 31, 2012 - 05:19 PM PST
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Recap of the interview from Eric Pincus:
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Jim Buss on ESPN710 says he views Andrew Bynum as All-Star center you can build a franchise around. Just let the kid mature. Supports Mike Brown, says he did a fantastic job. Doesn't see a reason to make a play into the draft, except at the unavailable #1 pick. Left that option open re: draft, saying he hasn't spoken to all scouts, mitch, yet - premature. Doc Buss getting healthier, expects him at games next year. Lakers hired Glen Carraro as Asst GM
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Post Subject: Jim Buss on 710ESPN
Posted: May 31, 2012 - 09:46 PM PST
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Post Subject: RE: Jim Buss on 710ESPN
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Post Subject: RE: Jim Buss on 710ESPN
Posted: May 31, 2012 - 10:14 PM PST
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i found it interesting that jim only cares about HOW a team wins, not which team, specifically between OKC and SAS.
Speed vs. Traditional team ball...I wonder if the outcome of that series will influence the direction he tries to take this team. maybe if OKC win's he'll realize that we need more speed and shooters to surround kobe and drew. |
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 10:49 PM PST
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| ^^^ really? Because he doesn't go along with your plans on shipping out Bynum he's stupid? Yeah okay. |
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 10:54 PM PST
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gemfow wrote:
^^^ really? Because he doesn't go along with your plans on shipping out Bynum he's stupid? Yeah okay.
Nothing has changed since last offseason, lol. |
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 10:58 PM PST
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He's stupid if
1) He thinks Mike Brown did well? People can blame Kobe for anything they wish, but there are simple facts. Mike lost Bynum, Pau, Ron, Fish, Luke, McBob, and Matt long before as they all called him out and questioned him, even Ebanks did through his agent. Mike made 0 adjustments. He is a guy who Fisher and Kobe both took the clipboard from because he wasn't getting it done. And to top off he has a cracker jack dollar store brand coaching staff.
2) If he thinks Bynum is a future franchise player. It ain't even about health. It's about being a Laker and being able to draw and sale. Bynum ain't selling out every road game, moving the most jerseys, having TWC say let's dedicate a block to him, and he damn sure ain't justifying current let alone raised ticket prices.
You can keep Andrew, but you damn well bring in a Deron, Dwight, Melo, or someone because Bynum isn't Shaq or Magic when it comes to selling. And he will never be in the breath of Kobe as a franchise player on the basketball court and in the bank as the only player to draw more wore 23 and had the initials MJ |
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 11:09 PM PST
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 11:34 PM PST
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Posted: May 31, 2012 - 11:44 PM PST
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LakeShowMeAnotherBanner wrote:
i found it interesting that jim only cares about HOW a team wins, not which team, specifically between OKC and SAS.
Speed vs. Traditional team ball...I wonder if the outcome of that series will influence the direction he tries to take this team. maybe if OKC win's he'll realize that we need more speed and shooters to surround kobe and drew.
Exactly and Heat winning might push him to go strongly after D12 and Deron. However Spurs' formula would be hardest to copy. |
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Jim Buss admitted he was a bigger L.A. Kings fan than a Lakers fan when he was young.I find that to be different.
He said he scouts talent based on if some player is different like if they are the fastest player on the court or the strongest player whatever makes a player stand out he likes that about a player.He is going to eat dinner with Andrew Bynum to get to know him better.He thinks the Lakers don't need a first round pick because no one stands out.Really?
The players Harrison Barnes,Thomas Robinson,Jeremy Lamb,Austin Rivers,Bradley Beal,Michael Kidd Gichrest don't stand out really.
I think this is easily the best draft in many years it's very deep.Marquis Teague will be a steal in the draft.I think the Lakers owner Jim Buss is in over his head with his position on the Lakers front office. |
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Posted: Jun 01, 2012 - 12:23 AM PST
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^^^ really? Because he doesn't go along with your plans on shipping out Bynum he's stupid? Yeah okay.
^^^REALLY. You are funny, are you mad at fans who dont want your KID in this team?
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Posted: Jun 01, 2012 - 03:39 PM PST
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| Scary if he thinks Bynum is a franchise player the Lakers can build around. |
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Posted: Jun 01, 2012 - 04:24 PM PST
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If he meant what he said about Bynum, it will take the Lakers a long time to see another championship. Jim "Buss has destroyed the Lakers with his insistence of keeping Bynum.
I sure hope I am wrong because I have seen under the Doc, the Lakers always found a way to get the best. |
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| Jim Buss: "I think it’s pretty obvious how I feel about Andrew Bynum. He’s an incredible All-Star center and you can build the future around him." ... I keep referring to Phil [Jackson]. Phil said, 'Let the kid grow up.' He’s still young at heart. I don’t know what else to say about him." ESPN.com |
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lakerdude wrote:
Jim Buss: "I think it’s pretty obvious how I feel about Andrew Bynum. He’s an incredible All-Star center and you can build the future around him." ... I keep referring to Phil [Jackson]. Phil said, 'Let the kid grow up.' He’s still young at heart. I don’t know what else to say about him." ESPN.com
Completely agreed. When's the last time you had a young all-star caliber center. They are rare nowadays and people want to trade him? The only eye catching 7 0 center is MAYBE zellar in the draft. Believe me you guys hate Bynum being on the Lakers but soon you will hate Bynum on the other team. When you have potential like this, don't trade it away please
You guys want to trade him for dwill. There are so many pg's who can match up with him. Drose, Westbrook, cp3, rondo. There is only 1 other center even in the talks against Bynum offensively and defensively... |
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Rhythms wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
Jim Buss: "I think it’s pretty obvious how I feel about Andrew Bynum. He’s an incredible All-Star center and you can build the future around him." ... I keep referring to Phil [Jackson]. Phil said, 'Let the kid grow up.' He’s still young at heart. I don’t know what else to say about him." ESPN.com
Completely agreed. When's the last time you had a young all-star caliber center. They are rare nowadays and people want to trade him? The only eye catching 7 0 center is MAYBE zellar in the draft. Believe me you guys hate Bynum being on the Lakers but soon you will hate Bynum on the other team. When you have potential like this, don't trade it away please
You guys want to trade him for dwill. There are so many pg's who can match up with him. Drose, Westbrook, cp3, rondo. There is only 1 other center even in the talks against Bynum offensively and defensively...
Excellent response Rhythms. A good comment on a good subject. You are 100% correct. There are just a few that have the same opinion, but I loved your take. Repped. |
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D-will has 10 times more heart then Bynum ... Have u ever seen d-will laughing on the bench when getting blown out... Have u seen d-will sit on the bench sulking will everyone else is huddled up during a timeout
I can't trust bynum anymore... I would rather go to war with guys that care and hate losing... Bynum could give a rats azz... All he cares about is his cars and what's the. Ext car he's getting to trick out |
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| Bynum did play with a bum knee vs the celtics which I give him credit for gutting it out that series |
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As nuch as I think Bynum has a bit of Benoit in him, you cannot trade size. With a decent coach and our size, we would still be in the playoffs. You trade Bynum for Howard, sure. (Assuming D12 recovers from his operation.) But you don't trad a big man for a small, especiallysince you would then have Pau as your center. Maybe the Pau of five years ago. But this years edition?
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| Can't really tell if Bynum is better then other centers. There have been other centers that have looked like super stars when going against Bynum. McKee comes to mind as being just one who looked better in the playoffs then Bynum. When the Lakers played against the Thunder, the shorter Perkins was pushing Bynum around and out rebounding him. Mosgov, Petrovic and others have made Bynum look bad. So just because he is big does not mean he is a good player. Remember Benoit Benjamin? |
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Rhythms wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
Jim Buss: "I think it’s pretty obvious how I feel about Andrew Bynum. He’s an incredible All-Star center and you can build the future around him." ... I keep referring to Phil [Jackson]. Phil said, 'Let the kid grow up.' He’s still young at heart. I don’t know what else to say about him." ESPN.com
Completely agreed. When's the last time you had a young all-star caliber center. They are rare nowadays and people want to trade him? The only eye catching 7 0 center is MAYBE zellar in the draft. Believe me you guys hate Bynum being on the Lakers but soon you will hate Bynum on the other team. When you have potential like this, don't trade it away please
You guys want to trade him for dwill. There are so many pg's who can match up with him. Drose, Westbrook, cp3, rondo. There is only 1 other center even in the talks against Bynum offensively and defensively...
Bynum is a bust. I would take Lopez, Love or Dwight any day over him. |
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Axle wrote:
Can't really tell if Bynum is better then other centers. There have been other centers that have looked like super stars when going against Bynum. McKee comes to mind as being just one who looked better in the playoffs then Bynum. When the Lakers played against the Thunder, the shorter Perkins was pushing Bynum around and out rebounding him. Mosgov, Petrovic and others have made Bynum look bad. So just because he is big does not mean he is a good player. Remember Benoit Benjamin?
More with the lies. Here we go again. McKee looked better than Drew? Bynum averaged 17pts 12 boards and 4 blocks against McGee's 10 pts and 10 rebounds and 3 blocks. Mosgov only avg'd 3 and 3 against Drew to his 17, 12, and 4. Mosgov's season average is 6 and 4 which means Bynum held him below his season average, so how do he make Drew look bad? Those a re superstar numbers?
You also say that Perkins out rebounded Bynum? Drew averaged 10 boards a game against Perkin's 6. How is that out rebounding him? Some of you guys want Drew gone so bad that you will make up lies to make him look bad. Since when is 6 rebounds a game more than 10 Axle? When is the lying going to stop? |
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Lakerdude! You might be impressed with Bynum, but a lot of folks that know how the game is played are getting tired of waiting. It has been seven long years of pure agony waiting for the potential to erupt. But being a Laker fan I will cut him some more slack IF they decide to keep him. The thing is that Kobe is getting older and the window for winning another championship is closing down real fast. Players like Kobe come around only once every decade or longer. If we do not win a championship within the next two years, you will probably have to wait another twenty years before the Lakers win anything.
Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all.
But as long as Jim Buss in in love with Andrew Bynums size, then we will only go to the second round at most and get eliminated again. I agree that size does matter, but only if he is effective. If the athlete does not know how to use his body size, it is useless. Another Benoit or Kwamme. I will wait and see what transpires with the Lakers this summer, and whether they keep Bynum or not I will still support them. Might not be happy with a lot of the moves they make, but I will still support the Lakers.
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Lakerdude! You might be impressed with Bynum, but a lot of folks that know how the game is played are getting tired of waiting. It has been seven long years of pure agony waiting for the potential to erupt. But being a Laker fan I will cut him some more slack IF they decide to keep him. The thing is that Kobe is getting older and the window for winning another championship is closing down real fast. Players like Kobe come around only once every decade or longer. If we do not win a championship within the next two years, you will probably have to wait another twenty years before the Lakers win anything.
Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all.
But as long as Jim Buss in in love with Andrew Bynums size, then we will only go to the second round at most and get eliminated again. I agree that size does matter, but only if he is effective. If the athlete does not know how to use his body size, it is useless. Another Benoit or Kwamme. I will wait and see what transpires with the Lakers this summer, and whether they keep Bynum or not I will still support them. Might not be happy with a lot of the moves they make, but I will still support the Lakers.
But for now I am supporting the other sport that I love and that is to watch the Angels.
I don't care if a lot of you are tired of waiting, even though it's really not 7 years , it's more like 3 full seasons all together when you consider he was hurt most of the time, and hasn't had a ton of playing time. That is fine if you guys feel that way. I just don't like when people lie to make their side look better. You said some things that weren't true. All of it really.
The one flat out lie was you said Perkins out rebounded Bynum. That's not true, so why would you say it? I know why, it's because people that don't like Drew will spit out lies to make their point look better. I wouldn't come out and say that Harden outplayed and outscored Kobe, because that wouldn't be a true statement. I debate with truths and I wish others would do the same.
By the way, it's not Bynum that's keeping Kobe from getting his 6th ring with a short window, it's Kobe himself. If it wasn't for his play the last 2 minutes of game 2, we would have been tied 1 to 1, then in game 4 with a 13 point lead, Kobe shot 9 times and made one shot. If he want's his 6th ring, he neeeds to play with his team mates, not just by himself. He doesn't need to shoot 30 times a game in the play offs. It's not the Smush Parker days, we have people who can score, especially Pau and Bynum. If he ever decides to quit shooting more than those 2 combined, then we can get another championship. We would be playing the Spurs right now if he would of played team ball down the stretch of those games. If he goes into next season shooting as much as he did this year, it doesn't matter who we get on this team, we will be screwed, and be out either the 1st or 2nd round. |
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Axle wrote:
Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all...
Easier said than done.
In baseball, which you love, you always change thje manager when a team loses. You don't stick with a losing manager no matter wholse fault it is. Easier to change the manager than the players.
Why Jim Buss is giving one of the most storied franchises in the world to be coached by Mike The Clown is beyond me. He did less with more than any coach in the NBA.
I would keep Bynum, use Pau as our sixth mand and to spell Bynum, get a new coach and contend for a title. Simple as that. |
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| keep paul,bynum,kobe and hill everyone else need to go. Lakers first five is as good as any in the NBA. the other junk must goooooooo. |
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BaadMaster wrote:
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Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all...
Easier said than done.
In baseball, which you love, you always change thje manager when a team loses. You don't stick with a losing manager no matter wholse fault it is. Easier to change the manager than the players.
Why Jim Buss is giving one of the most storied franchises in the world to be coached by Mike The Clown is beyond me. He did less with more than any coach in the NBA.
I would keep Bynum, use Pau as our sixth mand and to spell Bynum, get a new coach and contend for a title. Simple as that.
There were other coaches out there that have great reputations, such as Sloan, and even Van Gundy, but I am not sure about the criticism of M Brown. He did have the best record in wins vs losses for two years in the nba. Plus you got to remember he got a new team on a compressed season. Also he has a three year contract worth millions of dollars. I would be willing to give him a chance before I would condemn the coaching. If the Lakers do just as bad this coming season, THEN! I would consider change in the coaching position.
Bynum did not play good in the playoffs period. But it was not all his fault. The Lakers plain and simple only have three or four good players that can defend and can also score. The rest are really pretty bad. This goes back to Mitch who picked up this players. And you might be right that the manager should take the blame for signing players that are worthless.
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lakerdude wrote:
Axle wrote:
Lakerdude! You might be impressed with Bynum, but a lot of folks that know how the game is played are getting tired of waiting. It has been seven long years of pure agony waiting for the potential to erupt. But being a Laker fan I will cut him some more slack IF they decide to keep him. The thing is that Kobe is getting older and the window for winning another championship is closing down real fast. Players like Kobe come around only once every decade or longer. If we do not win a championship within the next two years, you will probably have to wait another twenty years before the Lakers win anything.
Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all.
But as long as Jim Buss in in love with Andrew Bynums size, then we will only go to the second round at most and get eliminated again. I agree that size does matter, but only if he is effective. If the athlete does not know how to use his body size, it is useless. Another Benoit or Kwamme. I will wait and see what transpires with the Lakers this summer, and whether they keep Bynum or not I will still support them. Might not be happy with a lot of the moves they make, but I will still support the Lakers.
But for now I am supporting the other sport that I love and that is to watch the Angels.
I don't care if a lot of you are tired of waiting, even though it's really not 7 years , it's more like 3 full seasons all together when you consider he was hurt most of the time, and hasn't had a ton of playing time. That is fine if you guys feel that way. I just don't like when people lie to make their side look better. You said some things that weren't true. All of it really.
The one flat out lie was you said Perkins out rebounded Bynum. That's not true, so why would you say it? I know why, it's because people that don't like Drew will spit out lies to make their point look better. I wouldn't come out and say that Harden outplayed and outscored Kobe, because that wouldn't be a true statement. I debate with truths and I wish others would do the same.
By the way, it's not Bynum that's keeping Kobe from getting his 6th ring with a short window, it's Kobe himself. If it wasn't for his play the last 2 minutes of game 2, we would have been tied 1 to 1, then in game 4 with a 13 point lead, Kobe shot 9 times and made one shot. If he want's his 6th ring, he neeeds to play with his team mates, not just by himself. He doesn't need to shoot 30 times a game in the play offs. It's not the Smush Parker days, we have people who can score, especially Pau and Bynum. If he ever decides to quit shooting more than those 2 combined, then we can get another championship. We would be playing the Spurs right now if he would of played team ball down the stretch of those games. If he goes into next season shooting as much as he did this year, it doesn't matter who we get on this team, we will be screwed, and be out either the 1st or 2nd round.
If Bynum is dumped, you have the option of packing your bags and following him to Orlando. I will accept what path the Lakers take because I am a Laker fan not a Bynum fan. That goes for Kobe, Pau or anyone else that the LTB off with their heads gang wishes for. |
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| The current reality is that good bad or indifferent, Jim Buss brought in Bynum and if he were to get rid of Bynum his EGO would take a severe hit so like it of not Bynum is here forever unless Jim Buss gets hit by a garbage truck or Dr. Buss replaces him. Bynum is Jims pet rock. |
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maraud wrote:
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Lakerdude! You might be impressed with Bynum, but a lot of folks that know how the game is played are getting tired of waiting. It has been seven long years of pure agony waiting for the potential to erupt. But being a Laker fan I will cut him some more slack IF they decide to keep him. The thing is that Kobe is getting older and the window for winning another championship is closing down real fast. Players like Kobe come around only once every decade or longer. If we do not win a championship within the next two years, you will probably have to wait another twenty years before the Lakers win anything.
Right now the Lakers with the right pieces surrounding the greatest shooting guard in the world Kobe Bryant can still win a couple of championships if the owners had the b***'s to pull the trigger and trade Bynum for Howard, and Pau for Deron Williams. Get a couple of good shooting role players and we are set to win it all.
But as long as Jim Buss in in love with Andrew Bynums size, then we will only go to the second round at most and get eliminated again. I agree that size does matter, but only if he is effective. If the athlete does not know how to use his body size, it is useless. Another Benoit or Kwamme. I will wait and see what transpires with the Lakers this summer, and whether they keep Bynum or not I will still support them. Might not be happy with a lot of the moves they make, but I will still support the Lakers.
But for now I am supporting the other sport that I love and that is to watch the Angels.
I don't care if a lot of you are tired of waiting, even though it's really not 7 years , it's more like 3 full seasons all together when you consider he was hurt most of the time, and hasn't had a ton of playing time. That is fine if you guys feel that way. I just don't like when people lie to make their side look better. You said some things that weren't true. All of it really.
The one flat out lie was you said Perkins out rebounded Bynum. That's not true, so why would you say it? I know why, it's because people that don't like Drew will spit out lies to make their point look better. I wouldn't come out and say that Harden outplayed and outscored Kobe, because that wouldn't be a true statement. I debate with truths and I wish others would do the same.
By the way, it's not Bynum that's keeping Kobe from getting his 6th ring with a short window, it's Kobe himself. If it wasn't for his play the last 2 minutes of game 2, we would have been tied 1 to 1, then in game 4 with a 13 point lead, Kobe shot 9 times and made one shot. If he want's his 6th ring, he neeeds to play with his team mates, not just by himself. He doesn't need to shoot 30 times a game in the play offs. It's not the Smush Parker days, we have people who can score, especially Pau and Bynum. If he ever decides to quit shooting more than those 2 combined, then we can get another championship. We would be playing the Spurs right now if he would of played team ball down the stretch of those games. If he goes into next season shooting as much as he did this year, it doesn't matter who we get on this team, we will be screwed, and be out either the 1st or 2nd round.
If Bynum is dumped, you have the option of packing your bags and following him to Orlando. I will accept what path the Lakers take because I am a Laker fan not a Bynum fan. That goes for Kobe, Pau or anyone else that the LTB off with their heads gang wishes for.
Enjoy that path, it's going to be like the year Phil 1st left, we won't even make the playoffs. I have and always will follow the Lakers, I just disagree with all the Bynum hate here. If someone comes out and makes up stories and tells lies, like Axle did as well as many others, I will probably chime in. I don't see you telling others to pack their bags and follow Kobe if he leaves. Why do you single me out? |
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maraud wrote:
The current reality is that good bad or indifferent, Jim Buss brought in Bynum and if he were to get rid of Bynum his EGO would take a severe hit so like it of not Bynum is here forever unless Jim Buss gets hit by a garbage truck or Dr. Buss replaces him. Bynum is Jims pet rock.
Thank goodness we have Jim Buss, if we didn't we might lose Bynum, and then we would be fu*ked. You say you would take whatever path the Lakers take because your a Laker fan above an individual fan, and then you follow that post with how you seem unhappy with Jim Buss and the path the Lakers are taking. Can you please make up your mind? |
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^^^ really? Because he doesn't go along with your plans on shipping out Bynum he's stupid? Yeah okay.
^^^REALLY. You are funny, are you mad at fans who dont want your KID in this team?
Move on, we'll see what will happen.
Are you serious? No, I'm not mad because fans like you are insignificant to the front office. Fans on here wanting a player gone are insignificant and no one from the front office comes on here and takes anyones words into account. It doesn't matter, but you guys kill me because all of a sudden front office personnel are stupid because they might not trade who you want traded, like I said we are all insignificant, so why should I get mad? If anything I'm disappointed with the fickleness with the fans,saddened by the ignorance of some fans, embarrassed by the lack of simple basketball knowledge openly displayed. Y some fans who speak like they know a who,e lot. So, I may have certain emotions but mad isn't one of them because someone running their mouth on here can't make me mad, make me laugh yes but make me mad isn't even close. |
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lakerdude wrote:
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The current reality is that good bad or indifferent, Jim Buss brought in Bynum and if he were to get rid of Bynum his EGO would take a severe hit so like it of not Bynum is here forever unless Jim Buss gets hit by a garbage truck or Dr. Buss replaces him. Bynum is Jims pet rock.
Thank goodness we have Jim Buss, if we didn't we might lose Bynum, and then we would be fu*ked. You say you would take whatever path the Lakers take because your a Laker fan above an individual fan, and then you follow that post with how you seem unhappy with Jim Buss and the path the Lakers are taking. Can you please make up your mind?
Honestly I don't even thnk Mitch wants to trade him. The only ones who want him traded are Some Lakers fans who feel that Dwight Howard is a better match to get all of Kobe's rebounds and be happy about it, they're wrong because Dwight doesn't even want to come here and collect rebounds for Kobe and get thrown scraps here and there. |
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Are you serious? No, I'm not mad because fans like you are insignificant to the front office. Fans on here wanting a player gone are insignificant and no one from the front office comes on here and takes anyones words into account. It doesn't matter, but you guys kill me because all of a sudden front office personnel are stupid because they might not trade who you want traded, like I said we are all insignificant, so why should I get mad? If anything I'm disappointed with the fickleness with the fans,saddened by the ignorance of some fans, embarrassed by the lack of simple basketball knowledge openly displayed. Y some fans who speak like they know a who,e lot. So, I may have certain emotions but mad isn't one of them because someone running their mouth on here can't make me mad, make me laugh yes but make me mad isn't even close.
Make you laugh? This post looks too serious to me. I guess you are now getting mad of some fans ignorance and lack of simple basketball knowledge. I feel so dissapointed at fans like you and also for your Kid, who will never become a real franchise player |
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May I repeat this one more time: You do not trade a 7 footer for any player other than an equivalent seven footer. As obnoxious as Bynum is, would Dwight be any better in the spoiled athlete category were he to come here. I always stated that I would trade Bynum for Dwight for health isues only. But now that D12 has proved he is human, an not immune to injury,a trade for Howard is, healthwise, a crap shoot.
I think a good, respected coach could works wonders with Bynum. As to Pau, who the f*** knows with him. He is as big a head case as Andrew but in a different way.
That is where a psychologically-oriented coach like Phil excelled. I am not sure that Mike The Clown can coach this collection of ultra-talented group of maniacs. |
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lakerdude wrote:
maraud wrote:
The current reality is that good bad or indifferent, Jim Buss brought in Bynum and if he were to get rid of Bynum his EGO would take a severe hit so like it of not Bynum is here forever unless Jim Buss gets hit by a garbage truck or Dr. Buss replaces him. Bynum is Jims pet rock.
Thank goodness we have Jim Buss, if we didn't we might lose Bynum, and then we would be fu*ked. You say you would take whatever path the Lakers take because your a Laker fan above an individual fan, and then you follow that post with how you seem unhappy with Jim Buss and the path the Lakers are taking. Can you please make up your mind?
Read it again all that I said was that Jim's Ego would not let him get rid of Bynum under any condition so that there is no use talking about a Bynum trade he is here to stay. I did not say that I hated Jim. You are so jittery that whenever Bynum's name is mentioned you get on your horse with burning spear looking for another dragon to slay. Just cool it.
As for Bynum, I live him when plays good and hate him when he takes days off and shows his eternal immiturity. He is not omnipitant to me, I am a realist. If that bothers you, so be it. |
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BaadMaster wrote:
May I repeat this one more time: You do not trade a 7 footer for any player other than an equivalent seven footer. As obnoxious as Bynum is, would Dwight be any better in the spoiled athlete category were he to come here. I always stated that I would trade Bynum for Dwight for health isues only. But now that D12 has proved he is human, an not immune to injury,a trade for Howard is, healthwise, a crap shoot.
I think a good, respected coach could works wonders with Bynum. As to Pau, who the f*** knows with him. He is as big a head case as Andrew but in a different way.
That is where a psychologically-oriented coach like Phil excelled. I am not sure that Mike The Clown can coach this collection of ultra-talented group of maniacs.
Think back when PJ was a coach and Bynum tried to kill a midget guard then took off his shirt and walked off the floor. The great motivator really handled him well. In this day and age, if a coach repremands a player the coach gets fired |
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lakerdude wrote:
maraud wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I don't care if a lot of you are tired of waiting, even though it's really not 7 years , it's more like 3 full seasons all together when you consider he was hurt most of the time, and hasn't had a ton of playing time. That is fine if you guys feel that way. I just don't like when people lie to make their side look better. You said some things that weren't true. All of it really.
The one flat out lie was you said Perkins out rebounded Bynum. That's not true, so why would you say it? I know why, it's because people that don't like Drew will spit out lies to make their point look better. I wouldn't come out and say that Harden outplayed and outscored Kobe, because that wouldn't be a true statement. I debate with truths and I wish others would do the same.
By the way, it's not Bynum that's keeping Kobe from getting his 6th ring with a short window, it's Kobe himself. If it wasn't for his play the last 2 minutes of game 2, we would have been tied 1 to 1, then in game 4 with a 13 point lead, Kobe shot 9 times and made one shot. If he want's his 6th ring, he neeeds to play with his team mates, not just by himself. He doesn't need to shoot 30 times a game in the play offs. It's not the Smush Parker days, we have people who can score, especially Pau and Bynum. If he ever decides to quit shooting more than those 2 combined, then we can get another championship. We would be playing the Spurs right now if he would of played team ball down the stretch of those games. If he goes into next season shooting as much as he did this year, it doesn't matter who we get on this team, we will be screwed, and be out either the 1st or 2nd round.
If Bynum is dumped, you have the option of packing your bags and following him to Orlando. I will accept what path the Lakers take because I am a Laker fan not a Bynum fan. That goes for Kobe, Pau or anyone else that the LTB off with their heads gang wishes for.
Enjoy that path, it's going to be like the year Phil 1st left, we won't even make the playoffs. I have and always will follow the Lakers, I just disagree with all the Bynum hate here. If someone comes out and makes up stories and tells lies, like Axle did as well as many others, I will probably chime in. I don't see you telling others to pack their bags and follow Kobe if he leaves. Why do you single me out?
you forgot to mention how poor our regular season record was and how many times we got bounced out the 1st round, 1st couple of years phil came back. |
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| I think some of y'all are taking jim buss's words to heart. I mean what is jim supposed to say when asked about bynum? "he plays with no heart and i'm gonna trade him the 1st chance I get??" that wouldn't be logical, at all. bynum is still on the team. I see it as jim said what was necessary for team and trade purposes. |
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KLakers wrote:
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Are you serious? No, I'm not mad because fans like you are insignificant to the front office. Fans on here wanting a player gone are insignificant and no one from the front office comes on here and takes anyones words into account. It doesn't matter, but you guys kill me because all of a sudden front office personnel are stupid because they might not trade who you want traded, like I said we are all insignificant, so why should I get mad? If anything I'm disappointed with the fickleness with the fans,saddened by the ignorance of some fans, embarrassed by the lack of simple basketball knowledge openly displayed. Y some fans who speak like they know a who,e lot. So, I may have certain emotions but mad isn't one of them because someone running their mouth on here can't make me mad, make me laugh yes but make me mad isn't even close.
Make you laugh? This post looks too serious to me. I guess you are now getting mad of some fans ignorance and lack of simple basketball knowledge. I feel so dissapointed at fans like you and also for your Kid, who will never become a real franchise player
The post is too serious for you. You nailed it right on the head. What I said apparently went over your head too. Like I said before mad isn't one of the emotions I have to del with on this site, no one on here has that type of power. However, you just showed,e you fall into one of the categories I mentioned, so good job. |
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Phil's teams have never missed the playoffs or even finished at or below 500
We missed under Rudy and Hamblen. Even still we were the sixth seed under Rudy, until he quit to join AA. We also only had Caron, Kobe, and Lamar for only 44/82 games together, and Kobe missed the end of the year after Vanessa had a miscarriage with their second child |
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KBLO-24_7 wrote:
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Phil's teams have never missed the playoffs or even finished at or below 500
We missed under Rudy and Hamblen. Even still we were the sixth seed under Rudy, until he quit to join AA. We also only had Caron, Kobe, and Lamar for only 44/82 games together, and Kobe missed the end of the year after Vanessa had a miscarriage with their second child
we had a poor regular season record; in 2006/2007 we made it just above .500 by just 2 games, and got bounced out the 1st round for the 1st couple of seasons phil came back.
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You said we didn't make it. We got the 7th seed out west with Walton as our 3rd best guy because Mihmwas hurt. Phil took a team that was way less talented than the 04-05 one was healthy or not, and got them winning records and playoff berths.
Hell to be technical Pau was on higher seeds in Memphis and didn't win a game with Hubie or Fratello and more talent, so Phil taking 4 ga,Ed those 2 years versus a better Phoenix team says a lot |
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KBLO-24_7 wrote:
You said we didn't make it. We got the 7th seed out west with Walton as our 3rd best guy because Mihmwas hurt. Phil took a team that was way less talented than the 04-05 one was healthy or not, and got them winning records and playoff berths.
Hell to be technical Pau was on higher seeds in Memphis and didn't win a game with Hubie or Fratello and more talent, so Phil taking 4 ga,Ed those 2 years versus a better Phoenix team says a lot
Yea it says we had a poor regular season record and bounced out the 1st round 1st couple of seasons when phil came back. People make it seem like phil made us instant contenders when he came back; not the case. Also, people forget how bad of team we had after our team got blown up for our new coach to deal with. Point is, teams have a transitioning period after getting blown up like we were post shaq. ..vs now if we trade someone like pau or/and bynum and we get star power in return. Can't really compare this team with the years we didn't make the playoffs.
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