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Post Subject: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 667993Posted: May 23, 2012 - 11:03 PM PST
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EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- In the aftermath of a second straight second-round exit from the playoffs, Los Angeles Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak said Wednesday that a shakeup is in store for the franchise.

"There will be some change," Kupchak said Wednesday after finishing exit interviews with all but one player on the Lakers roster. He and Kobe Bryant will meet either late this week or early next week near Bryant's home in Newport Beach, Calif. "There will be a bit of activity July 1st, looking at who we can bring back and dealing with the market place."


Kupchak would not rule out the possibility of the Lakers pursuing a major trade to get the team back into championship contention.

"Why not? Sure," Kupchak said. "When you lose before you think you should have lost, you have to open up all opportunities."

Nearly half the Lakers roster is set to become free agents this offseason, accounting for the entire bench, except for Steve Blake, who still has two years remaining on his deal. Starting point guard Ramon Sessions could join that group if he decides to opt out of the final year of his contract, worth approximately $4.55 million.

"I have no idea what he's going to do," Kupchak said.

The Lakers won't let Andrew Bynum test the free agent waters as Kupchak said the team will pick up the $16.1 million option on Bynum for next season by the June 30 deadline. However, no decision has been made as to whether the Lakers will commence contract extension negotiations with their All-Star center.

"That's step one," Kupchak said of exercising Bynum's option. "Anything beyond that we'll discuss internally and precede if that's the course that we're going to take."

Another internal discussion will determine the fate of Pau Gasol. The Lakers tried to trade Gasol to Houston before the season began as part of a three-team deal that would have landed them Chris Paul from New Orleans. Gasol could find himself on the trade block again.

"I think he and I are on the same page," Kupchak said of Gasol, heaping praise on the power forward for his professionalism in handling the trade speculation this season. "I have not met with ownership. I do not know what direction the team is going to go, what the parameters are going to be going forward so there wasn't really anything additional to share with Pau."

Outside of re-signing the players on their roster that are set to become free agents or making a trade, the Lakers are limited in their options to improve because of restrictions in the new collective bargaining agreement that penalize luxury tax teams like L.A.

The Lakers can try to lure a free agent with the mini mid-level exception, worth approximately $3 million per year. They could try to lower their cap number by using the amnesty provision to get out from under one of the weighty contracts on their books, but Kupchak made it sound like the team would continue to hold on to it rather than use it one someone like Metta World Peace, who is owed approximately $15 million over the next two seasons.

They also have an $8.9 million trade exception acquired in the Lamar Odom deal with Dallas that would allow them to absorb a player making anywhere up to $8.9 million without sending another player out in return.

"That's one of the few assets we do have," Kupchak said.

This year's draft is projected to be the deepest it's been in nearly a decade, but right now the Lakers are on the outside looking in. Their lone selection in the draft is a second-rounder at pick No. 60, the last pick in the draft.

"We'll look to improve our position in the draft," Kupchak said. "I can't imagine us being in a position to simply step into a first-round pick. But there may be a way to get up to a little bit better position in the draft."

The GM said he believed the Lakers are still one of the top five or six contenders as currently constructed, but is clearly fueled by disappointment as he sets out on shaping next season's roster.

"We get graded on the success of the team, that's how it is in this franchise," Kupchak said. "I know a lot of franchises are happy to get to the first round or advance beyond the first round. We certainly did no worse than we did a year ago, but we're disappointed. That's not how we grade ourselves, getting into the second round."

Despite the challenges, Kupchak said he still relishes his job with the Lakers and intends to be back calling the shots next season rather than inquire about one of the general manager vacancies around the league.

"If I weren't here, (Lakers owner) Dr. (Jerry) Buss would probably get 50 phone calls from present and former GMs that would love to have this job," Kupchak said. "That's because it's the best job in the league."

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Post Subject: RE: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 668002Posted: May 23, 2012 - 11:12 PM PST
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Great post my friend.This is the best news i have ever got from Mitch Kupchak.This reminds me of the year Jerry West got all into making changes in 1996 or like the year they traded Shaq for Lamar Odom and Caron Butler. When Mitch Kupchak got into making changes he got Pau Gasol.


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Post Subject: RE: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 668004Posted: May 23, 2012 - 11:14 PM PST
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Draft night can't come any soon.
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Post Subject: RE: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 668015Posted: May 23, 2012 - 11:38 PM PST
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i almost forgot we still have the trade exemption from Odom trade.

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Post Subject: RE: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 668106Posted: May 24, 2012 - 01:14 AM PST
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Great news coiming from top Lakers management, now we wait and see what they do.
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Post Subject: RE: Mitch Kupchak: Changes are Coming Post ID: 668125Posted: May 24, 2012 - 01:32 AM PST
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Mitch is one smart cookie. he learned from the best. At times I think he lets things play out a little too long, but he is going to trade in one of his bigs. He also denied a first round acquisition. I think this all but guarantees talent for talent trade.
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ralppcobarde wrote:
i almost forgot we still have the trade exemption from Odom trade.


If I had to guess, I don't believe the Lakers will use the Odom TPE unless it becomes apparent that they need more help on the court during the season next year. Otherwise, they would just be taking on more salary again, and they're trying to not do that.

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Get us a active, athletic and powerful center like this guy


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Great news! I'm hoping Mitch would turn this team around and bring us back to championship status.
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I'm expecting a major move from Mitch. The Lakers are definitely going to pursue a big fish.
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No surprise. This is a "what the phuk have you done for me lately" business and we haven't won anything lately so its time to get back that LA swag. Its On and Poppin! I am geeked.
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Yawn. It's been obvious for years that the lakers needed some changes. We have some of the most one dimensional role players. Blake is a streaky shooter who really can't drive or pull up off the dribble. Barnes has a hitch in his shot that he has never fixed and it won't allow him to be a consistent shooter. McBob who I do like is very limited, Troy Murphy is done. You can't have role players like this in a half court offense. Change the players and speed up the offense, make it fun to play in and fun to watch.

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Def-one-24-2 wrote:
Draft night can't come any soon.


Why? We have a 2nd round pick that will not help us much, if at all in Kobe's era.
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I watched his exit interview press conference. I don't want to rain on the "Let's blow this whole team up" parade but he also started off the press conference saying that if the whole team came back as currently constructed and had a whole training came to work on things that he believed that we would be in the mix as one of 5 or 6 teams that could win the championship. I am hopeful of a blockbuster trade, but I am not holding my breath.
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LakerRRTX wrote:
ralppcobarde wrote:
i almost forgot we still have the trade exemption from Odom trade.


If I had to guess, I don't believe the Lakers will use the Odom TPE unless it becomes apparent that they need more help on the court during the season next year. Otherwise, they would just be taking on more salary again, and they're trying to not do that.


LO trade exception must be used by December something or it expires. Trades usually never happen between the start of the season and new years. Also makes no sense to throw someone into the Lakers without a training camp AGAIN.

I believe it will be used to move up in the draft. Teams like spurs thunder don't need younger talent to sit on the bench and smaller market teams that can knock off almost 10 million in salary like the spurs and thunder will jump at it.
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magic42157 wrote:
I watched his exit interview press conference. I don't want to rain on the "Let's blow this whole team up" parade but he also started off the press conference saying that if the whole team came back as currently constructed and had a whole training came to work on things that he believed that we would be in the mix as one of 5 or 6 teams that could win the championship. I am hopeful of a blockbuster trade, but I am not holding my breath.



The Lakers can comeback with same group of players and they will end up with the same exact results if not much worse because of getting older and other teams keep improving.Time to make big time changes IMO.
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TheMagicontinues wrote:
Def-one-24-2 wrote:
Draft night can't come any soon.


Why? We have a 2nd round pick that will not help us much, if at all in Kobe's era.


Dude, not for the pick, but for the trades.
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Dundie2k wrote:
TheMagicontinues wrote:
Def-one-24-2 wrote:
Draft night can't come any soon.


Why? We have a 2nd round pick that will not help us much, if at all in Kobe's era.


Dude, not for the pick, but for the trades.


Trades can happen anytime, odd comment.
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Trade Bynum, keep Pau and pay OKC millions for Durant. Bynum will be an anchor for years if the Lakers keep him. Pau can shoot,pass,play D and rebound.
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magic42157 wrote:
I watched his exit interview press conference. I don't want to rain on the "Let's blow this whole team up" parade but he also started off the press conference saying that if the whole team came back as currently constructed and had a whole training came to work on things that he believed that we would be in the mix as one of 5 or 6 teams that could win the championship. I am hopeful of a blockbuster trade, but I am not holding my breath.

Let's be real. The Lakers were considered one of the top 5 or 6 teams to win it all even this year. (Chicago, Miami, San Antonio, Oklahoma City, LAKERS)

That quote by Kupchak means nothing to me, because all it says is, "we can still be more or less the same team with the same roster." Yeah, some real insight. Now, if he wants to dig deeper, he knows he'll have to make some moves.
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I'm afraid that this may be a lot of wishful thinking. Pau and Bynum are the only available trade pieces with much value. While I suppose we could trade both and go small, I don't see that happening. In all likelihood, Pau is the guy who will be traded, and his value has diminished over the last couple of years. With pieces to balance things out, he may be able to bring in Iggy or someone comparable.

The simple truth is that Kobe's salary will limit any rebuilding, and his insistence on "feeding first" and consuming so many of our possessions will limit any meaningful changes to our play. Whether you like it or not---and the postings on this forum show that there is room for disagreement---this is Kobe's team. Unfortunately, our last 2 championships may prove to have been an anomaly (courtesy of a fluke trade for Gasol and Artest's brief shining moment).
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We need to get deeper, more athletic, and younger.

If we need to trade both Pau and Drew to do that lets do it.

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You guys act like we got blown out. You know if we did not self destruct at the ends of games 2 and 4 we would be playing the Spurs tomorrow. It was bone headed plays that killed, not losing to a better team. Don't any of you think that we lost those 2 games ourselves more than being beat? If that's the case, then why make big changes?
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You guys act like we got blown out. You know if we did not self destruct at the ends of games 2 and 4 we would be playing the Spurs tomorrow. It was bone headed plays that killed, not losing to a better team. Don't any of you think that we lost those 2 games ourselves more than being beat? If that's the case, then why make big changes?


You don't think OKC was a "better team"?????
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You don't think OKC was a "better team"?????


I don't.

Just because they beat us 6 out of 8 this year? Just because they blew us out when the teams played their way, and still beat more often than not when it was played our way, big deal. What does that all prove?

And I think the Knicks were better than Miami and the Clips better than the Spurs.

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You guys act like we got blown out. You know if we did not self destruct at the ends of games 2 and 4 we would be playing the Spurs tomorrow. It was bone headed plays that killed, not losing to a better team. Don't any of you think that we lost those 2 games ourselves more than being beat? If that's the case, then why make big changes?


I agree on this. We lost to ourselves. They werent better than us in that series.

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I agree on this. We lost to ourselves. They werent better than us in that series.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Keep telling yourself that. And tell yourself that we are not 1-8 in our last two losing playoff series. And 2-6 against OKC this year. Just keep repeating it to yourself and see if comes true. And play a lottery ticket while your at it and see if that comes true too.

Everyone knows we are the best team. Just dumb luck keeps us from those rings. Damn it. Ive never seen an unluckier team. Well, the Knicks and Clippers are unlucky too. They should have moved on too, since like us, they were the better teams.

So many unlucky teams losing series to these lousy pretenders.

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lakerdude wrote:
You guys act like we got blown out. You know if we did not self destruct at the ends of games 2 and 4 we would be playing the Spurs tomorrow. It was bone headed plays that killed, not losing to a better team. Don't any of you think that we lost those 2 games ourselves more than being beat? If that's the case, then why make big changes?


Hey, I actually agree with you.
But the one common denominator your missing is Kobe.
Kobe is what cost us those two games. And he's going to be the same today tomorrow and the day after.

As long as Kobe is wearing a Laker jersey, it wont matter the level of talent we put around him. The Wins and Losses will be determined by whether he just "happens" to be hot or not. NOT good efficient basketball.

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a2j1m wrote:
We need to get deeper, more athletic, and younger.

If we need to trade both Pau and Drew to do that lets do it.




To go deeper in the playoffs the Lakers need to get deeper.To get more athletic the Lakers need to look at some possible trades with teams who have athletic players.




In order for the Lakers to get younger they must look at the draft and pick up Harrison Barnes.

I have never been more sure about a rookie more than Harrison Barnes he is legit.



I agree with you the Lakers need a youth movement i am willing to endure the grown pains.
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You don't think OKC was a "better team"?????


I don't.

Just because they beat us 6 out of 8 this year? Just because they blew us out when the teams played their way, and still beat more often than not when it was played our way, big deal. What does that all prove?

And I think the Knicks were better than Miami and the Clips better than the Spurs.


I understand your point. The team that wins should be the better team, but in game 2 when we were up 7 with 2 minutes left, it took everything to go wrong for us to lose that game. Stupid unforced turnovers killed us or else we would have been tied 1 and 1. We then got game 3 and blew a 13 point lead in the 4th of game 4 because someone, I don't want to mention any names, decided to take every shot. It's not like last year getting blown out almost every game by the Mavs. We lost 2 games by a total of 5 points against the Thunder. Yeah they kicked our a** in the regular season, but in the playoffs we could have easily gone up 3 to 1 after 4 games. You don't agree?


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I agree on this. We lost to ourselves. They werent better than us in that series.


Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Keep telling yourself that. And tell yourself that we are not 1-8 in our last two losing playoff series. And 2-6 against OKC this year. Just keep repeating it to yourself and see if comes true. And play a lottery ticket while your at it and see if that comes true too.

Everyone knows we are the best team. Just dumb luck keeps us from those rings. Damn it. Ive never seen an unluckier team. Well, the Knicks and Clippers are unlucky too. They should have moved on too, since like us, they were the better teams.

So many unlucky teams losing series to these lousy pretenders.
Agree, sometimes teams that win the champiomship needs luck. Remember wen we on the year Pau did a last sec tip in against OKC? or Kobe's miss only for Artest to tip it back in agains PHX? Also speaking of luck, its all about matchups, the easier the matchups and the easier path to the Finals, im sure ne one wud take it. Il tell u right now that the year we faced ORL in the Finals, had KG not been injured, BOS wud b in the Finals.. Meaning LAL BOS Finals rematch 09-10. It wud hav been tougher for us in that series. ORL imo was a lousy contender. Bulls imo wud hav made the finals if their team wud hav been healthy. Talk about luck for the Heat.
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You guys act like we got blown out. You know if we did not self destruct at the ends of games 2 and 4 we would be playing the Spurs tomorrow. It was bone headed plays that killed, not losing to a better team. Don't any of you think that we lost those 2 games ourselves more than being beat? If that's the case, then why make big changes?


Hey, I actually agree with you.
But the one common denominator your missing is Kobe.
Kobe is what cost us those two games. And he's going to be the same today tomorrow and the day after.

As long as Kobe is wearing a Laker jersey, it wont matter the level of talent we put around him. The Wins and Losses will be determined by whether he just "happens" to be hot or not. NOT good efficient basketball.


I'm not missing Kobe, I've said it so much that if I brought it up on this post, I don't think anyone would take me seriously, and just bash it.
You and I both know what happened at the end of those games, and who the main culprit was. I agree with you, so that means Kobe should go?
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Eli Holeman of the Detroit Titans had a workout with the Lakers. Here is a highlight video. If anyone can post the video itself, that would be cool. Check him out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZgaAzVbVjQ
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Eli Holeman of the Detroit Titans had a workout with the Lakers. Here is a highlight video. If anyone can post the video itself, that would be cool. Check him out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZgaAzVbVjQ




Dude the Lakers are the most amazing NBA franchise.They never have any high draft picks yet they keep winning championships.They did compete hard with OKC.


This big boy must be the potential pick for the Lakers?OKC drafted KD pick #2 and Westbrook #4 and Harden #3 and the Lakers trade there first round picks away yet they still compete just amazing dude.


Thank you for sharing the link to his video.Smile
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Eli Holeman of the Detroit Titans had a workout with the Lakers. Here is a highlight video. If anyone can post the video itself, that would be cool. Check him out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZgaAzVbVjQ


Big Fella dominated the Horizon league and his stats were impressive as well.

Left Indiana when Kelvin Sampson was replaced i think or soon after.

Might be there in the second round late.
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I understand your point. The team that wins should be the better team, but in game 2 when we were up 7 with 2 minutes left, it took everything to go wrong for us to lose that game. Stupid unforced turnovers killed us or else we would have been tied 1 and 1. We then got game 3 and blew a 13 point lead in the 4th of game 4 because someone, I don't want to mention any names, decided to take every shot. It's not like last year getting blown out almost every game by the Mavs. We lost 2 games by a total of 5 points against the Thunder. Yeah they kicked our a** in the regular season, but in the playoffs we could have easily gone up 3 to 1 after 4 games. You don't agree?



Lakerdude,

I understand your point too. But the problem gets to be this thing of, What could have happened, not what did. Let me ask you, why do we KEEP losing close games to them? How many times does it have to happen before the realization sets in that it keeps happening because they are a better, more effecient team?

Why did they have a better record than us? Why did they play better on the road than us? Why did they go 6-2 against us this year? Why in the playoff games we played at their speed, did they blow us out in both? Why in the playoff games we played at our speed, they still beat us two out of three? There is a reason for all that. And its just not hard to know what that reason is.

Yeah, we lost close games to them. But don't many playoff teams lose close games in series they lose? Nobody gets blown out every game unless they really, really suck.

You point to some close games and say, We were the better team. Well, why did they win those close games? And why did they have the edge in every other department that I laid out?

I understand what you are saying Dude, but when you look the whole, big picture, all of it, there is no doubt which team is better. They proved it all season long and capped it off by capping us in the playoffs.

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I understand your point. The team that wins should be the better team, but in game 2 when we were up 7 with 2 minutes left, it took everything to go wrong for us to lose that game. Stupid unforced turnovers killed us or else we would have been tied 1 and 1. We then got game 3 and blew a 13 point lead in the 4th of game 4 because someone, I don't want to mention any names, decided to take every shot. It's not like last year getting blown out almost every game by the Mavs. We lost 2 games by a total of 5 points against the Thunder. Yeah they kicked our a** in the regular season, but in the playoffs we could have easily gone up 3 to 1 after 4 games. You don't agree?



Lakerdude,

I understand your point too. But the problem gets to be this thing of, What could have happened, not what did. Let me ask you, why do we KEEP losing close games to them? How many times does it have to happen before the realization sets in that it keeps happening because they are a better, more effecient team?

Why did they have a better record than us? Why did they play better on the road than us? Why did they go 6-2 against us this year? Why in the playoff games we played at their speed, did they blow us out in both? Why in the playoff games we played at our speed, they still beat us two out of three? There is a reason for all that. And its just not hard to know what that reason is.

Yeah, we lost close games to them. But don't many playoff teams lose close games in series they lose? Nobody gets blown out every game unless they really, really suck.

You point to some close games and say, We were the better team. Well, why did they win those close games? And why did they have the edge in every other department that I laid out?

I understand what you are saying Dude, but when you look the whole, big picture, all of it, there is no doubt which team is better. They proved it all season long and capped it off by capping us in the playoffs.



Your right. I live in Sacramento and when the Lakers were beating the Kings, they were saying that the Kings were a better team and I argued with them the same points your putting up. The Kings would have 20 something point leads on us and end up losing. That year though, the Kings had a better record and beat us in the regular season. When your on the other side, you see it differently sometimes.

I still don't know what good it will do to trade our bigs or whatever when it's gonna be Kobe taking all the shots in the 4th anyways. It will end up in the same result if you ask me. Kobe is a bad a** player, but I don't know where the hell his head is sometimes. I swear he lost us those 2 games SPQR.
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Changes are coming? didn't he already told us that "change is coming" before the season starts? Kupchack and Buss is full of $#iT!

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Lakerdude,

See, I didn't tell you anything you really didn't know. That Kings example was right there. It is all about perspective. And watching with the head or the heart. I always watch with the head, never the heart. Not so easy for some fans to do. I have found a large segment of fans do watch with the heart.

Now as to Kobe, lol. Well, here you are going into reasons why we are not as good as OKC this year or Dallas last or not an elite team for two years running.

There are many reasons for that. One this year is that OKC they have two great young players we could not stop. Which goes back to both of saying this team probably needs to bottom out so they can draft those kinds of players. And there are many other reasons we are not one of the top elite teams.

Kobe deciding he will keep playing like he is 26 is one of them. You are are right. He had a huge hand in losing two of those games. There were other factors, but he was big one. I have said it before and Ill say it again with total confidence, if anyone thinks this team is going to win another title with Kobe jacking up tons of crazy shots they will be very disappointed. Those days are gone forever. Its just that Kobe doesn't know it. I doubt he ever will. So now its the waiting game. Waiting for Kobe to finish up his career. Waiting for him to leave, waiting for us to get more, better talent with his salary and/or the draft by bottoming out.

Nobody likes to wait but sometimes thats all there is to do. And for those who feel frustrated about where we are, hey, think how the other fans of all the other teams felt watching us go to three str8 NBA finals. We went to three str8 finals. Think about how hard that is to do. How often does that happen? And how many teams besides the Lakers seem to turn that trick?

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Changes are coming? didn't he already told us that "change is coming" before the season starts? Kupchack and Buss is full of $#iT!


To be fair, change did happen, just not the ones we were hoping for.
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Lakerdude,

See, I didn't tell you anything you really didn't know. That Kings example was right there. It is all about perspective. And watching with the head or the heart. I always watch with the head, never the heart. Not so easy for some fans to do. I have found a large segment of fans do watch with the heart.

Now as to Kobe, lol. Well, here you are going into reasons why we are not as good as OKC this year or Dallas last or not an elite team for two years running.

There are many reasons for that. One this year is that OKC they have two great young players we could not stop. Which goes back to both of saying this team probably needs to bottom out so they can draft those kinds of players. And there are many other reasons we are not one of the top elite teams.

Kobe deciding he will keep playing like he is 26 is one of them. You are are right. He had a huge hand in losing two of those games. There were other factors, but he was big one. I have said it before and Ill say it again with total confidence, if anyone thinks this team is going to win another title with Kobe jacking up tons of crazy shots they will be very disappointed. Those days are gone forever. Its just that Kobe doesn't know it. I doubt he ever will. So now its the waiting game. Waiting for Kobe to finish up his career. Waiting for him to leave, waiting for us to get more, better talent with his salary and/or the draft by bottoming out.

Nobody likes to wait but sometimes thats all there is to do. And for those who feel frustrated about where we are, hey, think how the other fans of all the other teams felt watching us go to three str8 NBA finals. We went to three str8 finals. Think about how hard that is to do. How often does that happen? And how many teams besides the Lakers seem to turn that trick?


It is very clear from the start that the thunder are the better team. no one really gives OKC the right credit they deserved. but some fans just blame it on Kobe. as if we are the favorites to win the series,i would be able to understand that. there is a reason why we are underdogs and they are the favorites. actually, i was shocked on how we play the OKC series, i didn't thought that we came so close to them . in 3 games, games were decided in 3 points or less. but lack of depth of this team derail us for having one of the best series of all time. i really don't like to blame it on the players, post game as Gem said are easy to contain now adays especially with lack of true shooters on the team.

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Although we could have won the series, we had little margin for error because OKC was the better team.

In my opinion, Durant, Westbrook and Harden are among the very best in the league. If OKC had better offensive players inside (if they had Bynum instead of Perkins), they would be unstoppable.
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If we could keep the starters and get a bench that averages 25 pts. per night we could win a championship.

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we lost for chemistry issues and bad coaching. We had enough talent to win.
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Hill for Beasley in a Sign and Trade with T'wolves?

With the Los Angeles Lakers reportedly interested in making some moves during the off-season, there have been many names thrown around as people are trying to determine who they may or may not be interested.

One name that surfaced near the trade deadline last season was Minnesota Timberwolves forward Michael Beasley, who the Lakers were reportedly close to acquiring. Now, more reports have come out that the team is once again interested in the former number two overall pick. And, it also seems that the feels are mutual.

According to sources close to the Timberwolves organization, Minnesota General Manager David Kahn told team owner Glen Taylor that the team was interested in pursuing a sign-and-trade with the Lakers in July.

One name that the team is reportedly interested in is Jordan Hill " the backup big man who played well for the Lakers in limited minutes since being acquired from the Houston Rockets in March.

Beasley could help the Lakers’ small forward position, where they had some issues last season. With Matt Barnes not expected to return and an uncertain future facing Metta World Peace, expect the Lakers to consider this option if Kahn and Minnesota indeed come calling.

http://www.lakersnation.com/lakers-rumo ... 012/06/06/

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^^^ Originally we were supposed to get Bease, Hill was the one we settled for.. So, I guess we wud get him eventually. I like Hill doh, id rather we use our TPe
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lakerever wrote:
we lost for chemistry issues and bad coaching. We had enough talent to win.


Wrong! Look at the bench numbers. Our bench was probably 28 th in the NBA in offense and their D was bad also.

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We honestly to make a trade to get Pau Gasol outta here. We need young talent!

I honestly think a trade to the Rockets will help us out EXTREMELY.

Rockets get:
PF Pau Gasol, SF Devin Ebanks

Lakers get:
PG Kyle Lowry , PF Patrick Patterson , SF Chase Budinger

& then we should pick up Brandon Roy & Lamar Odom for vet minimum

& make that trade to Timberwolves to get SF/PF Michael Beasley for our TPE & PG Steve Blake

So our lineup will look somethin like..

PG Kyle Lowry (Ramon Sessions)
SG Kobe Bryant (Brandon Roy)
SF Michael Beasley (Chase Budinger)
PF Patrick Patterson (Lamar Odom)
C Andrew Bynum (Jordan Hill)


This rotation has CHAMPIONS written ALL over it...
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maraud wrote:
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we lost for chemistry issues and bad coaching. We had enough talent to win.


Wrong! Look at the bench numbers. Our bench was probably 28 th in the NBA in offense and their D was bad also.


Thanks for your comments, Good Argument.

But, I understand that the bad rotation influenced the poor performance of the bench. Some players were not used properly, Hill, Goudelock could be good examples.
I would add the lack of authority of Brown, I think, He does not clearly defined the roles of the Bench. Players like Blake or Murphy (Believe or Not), could be more productive. Sometimes it seemed that Brown forgot he could use his bench players. On the other hand, Kobe and Gasol played too many minutes.
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