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Post Subject: are the lakers being out coached?? Posted: May 06, 2012 - 11:28 PM PST

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I am not very well known on this site niether am i the smartest

Butt the thought crossed my mind today while watching the game that it is very possibal that we are being outcoached...

We have more talent in Bynums middle finger than these guys (the nuggets) have on there whole team.

The nuggets seem to be playing with alot more strategy than we do it almost seems (especially tonight and game 3) that the lakers were playing more pick up style baskettball they seemes wayy off there game and i think i can credit that to there coaching.

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Post Subject: RE: are the lakers being out coached?? Posted: May 06, 2012 - 11:29 PM PST

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I'm the first comment? That was unexpected, wow... I'd like to give special thanks to the admin of this page for letting me be the first comment. I wanna say hi to my mom, dad, uncle, my brother and my dog Lucho. Admin, you're doing one great job with the page, thanks again for letting me say hi to my mom, HI MOM... and you too, Lucho (my dog).

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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 11:36 PM PST

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I'm the first comment? That was unexpected, wow... I'd like to give special thanks to the admin of this page for letting me be the first comment. I wanna say hi to my mom, dad, uncle, my brother and my dog Lucho. Admin, you're doing one great job with the page, thanks again for letting me say hi to my mom, HI MOM... and you too, Lucho (my dog).

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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 11:45 PM PST

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Blackmamba1985: George Karl is a great coach. He knows his team's game which is to run, so simply he will double just to hve the Lakers shoot jumpers which isn't their strength, which will allow Denver to run due to long rebounds. This is great coaching IMO. On the other side is Brown is making sure the ball goes inside. So Denver can't run and so we can play at our pace and we are up 3-1 due to that. I'd say a tie at best.

Drmclovin: you could at least have the decency to answer the post.

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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 11:55 PM PST

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I'm still not sold on giving Brown so much credit. Making sure the ball goes inside is about as much a no-brainer as picking up Bynum's team option.

I'm more critical of how Bynum doesn't get the ball when he's sealed his man. Bynum still needs more work on creating proper passing lanes & angle to make it easier to cleanly get the ball, but sometimes our guards fail to recognize it when he does. When we had Fisher, and Fisher passed to Kobe over Bynum, you really couldn't blame Brown since he had no chance of getting in between the history Fisher & Kobe had. But when you've got Session & Blake passing up Bynum when he's got a good seal, I have to put that on the coach.

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Post Subject: Re: are the lakers being out coached?? Posted: May 07, 2012 - 12:03 AM PST

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blackmamba1985 wrote:

I am not very well known on this site niether am i the smartest

Butt the thought crossed my mind today while watching the game that it is very possibal that we are being outcoached...

We have more talent in Bynums middle finger than these guys (the nuggets) have on there whole team.

The nuggets seem to be playing with alot more strategy than we do it almost seems (especially tonight and game 3) that the lakers were playing more pick up style baskettball they seemes wayy off there game and i think i can credit that to there coaching.

hehe "butt"

i think that may be the case though... pound it into bynum and he'll create was the theme for the first two games... the last two the nuggets swarmed him and it really seemed like brown had no answer.... it was frustrating to watch bynum play because he couldnt do what he wants and it seems like brown has no answer for it..

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Posted: May 07, 2012 - 12:11 AM PST

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Mike Brown is doing just fine, its just that you guys are use to Phil Jackson and would never question him, even though he makes alot of questionable decisions.

In regards to Brown not being more creative with Bynum, thats not his fault. The ONLY way to force teams to guard bynum one on one, it to have a perimeter shooting game. And as much as some of you blind lakers fan think, lakers are won of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league.

In regards to Bynums lack of toches, you can bring a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Meaning Brown is not out there playing, if he was he would deliver the ball to bynum every chance he could, with Kobe on the court, its not that simple.

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What good is a coach that can't get the players to follow his directions? I wouldn't call that doing just fine. Just doing what's simple is not good enough for a coach of the Lakers.

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my problem with brown is finding people on the bench when we are struggling. look at hill, he didn't get to play and now he seems like a good role player. when blake and sessions are struggling why not let glock play some minutes. when we need some energy off the bench why not see if morris, glock, ebanks, morris, hill, mcroberts, eyenga can help? in the offseason we need to get more athletic and find somebody who can shoot from the outside other than kobe.

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Posted: May 07, 2012 - 05:36 AM PST

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When regular rotation players aren't playing up to par you can't just yank em out the game. Cant have dudes lookin over their shoulder in the playoffs.

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Posted: May 07, 2012 - 06:22 AM PST

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gastank wrote:

I'm still not sold on giving Brown so much credit. Making sure the ball goes inside is about as much a no-brainer as picking up Bynum's team option.

I'm more critical of how Bynum doesn't get the ball when he's sealed his man. Bynum still needs more work on creating proper passing lanes & angle to make it easier to cleanly get the ball, but sometimes our guards fail to recognize it when he does. When we had Fisher, and Fisher passed to Kobe over Bynum, you really couldn't blame Brown since he had no chance of getting in between the history Fisher & Kobe had. But when you've got Session & Blake passing up Bynum when he's got a good seal, I have to put that on the coach.

I have to disagree with you on this one. This same stuff happened under Phil Jackson as well. Most coaches want To play inside out, we seem to have problems with guys delivering the ball when a guy has great position. I see Bynum getting frustrated out there and ts affecting other parts of his game unfortunately.

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Shane y2: that's actually Bynums fault right there with the swarming double teams. Bynum knows the double is coming and instead of passing the ball out right in front of him, he holds it and the team ends up with a bad shot or three seconds left on the clock. I really hope the players and coach are bringing this up with him, he needs to trust he will get the ball back.

Olisa91de: you're on the money. It's the lack of shooting that hurts this team as well, we have three post players and they don't play with a lot of room. I don't know how people put that on the coach. Repped!

Gas tank: Phil had the exact same problem with players not utilizing the post or playing defense a certin way. This is on the players.

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Posted: May 07, 2012 - 11:00 AM PST

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Olisa91de wrote:

Mike Brown is doing just fine, its just that you guys are use to Phil Jackson and would never question him, even though he makes alot of questionable decisions.

In regards to Brown not being more creative with Bynum, thats not his fault. The ONLY way to force teams to guard bynum one on one, it to have a perimeter shooting game. And as much as some of you blind lakers fan think, lakers are won of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league.

In regards to Bynums lack of toches, you can bring a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. Meaning Brown is not out there playing, if he was he would deliver the ball to bynum every chance he could, with Kobe on the court, its not that simple.

Very well put!! Couldn't agree more. George Karl knows that we have no outside shooting to speak off so he has no problem doubling Bynum on every touch. Now Bynum has to learn to get rid of the ball when the double team comes..Also his demeanor leaves a lot to be desired out there. Seem like he's always looking for someone else to blames when he fuggs up.

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I give Brown a B- during these playoffs so far. The Nuggets are fatally flawed being undersized and lacking a big-time closer in the end of games. This Laker team can win this series on talent alone.

My biggest fear against OKC is Brown's lack of creativity and risk-taking, especially with Blake. Brown could get away with it against Andre Miller and Ty Lawson, but Westbrook is a different animal. Either, Brown gets creative and bold by playing zone once in a while against OKC or putting Barnes in at the 2, who can cover more ground on D to help with Westbrook when he breaks free of Sessions.

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Posted: May 07, 2012 - 12:44 PM PST

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I think the coaching is fine. Nobody is perfect at anything he or she does....We are right there. Hopefully we can seal the deal!!!

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gemfow wrote:

Shane y2: that's actually Bynums fault right there with the swarming double teams. Bynum knows the double is coming and instead of passing the ball out right in front of him, he holds it and the team ends up with a bad shot or three seconds left on the clock. I really hope the players and coach are bringing this up with him, he needs to trust he will get the ball back.

Olisa91de: you're on the money. It's the lack of shooting that hurts this team as well, we have three post players and they don't play with a lot of room. I don't know how people put that on the coach. Repped!

Gas tank: Phil had the exact same problem with players not utilizing the post or playing defense a certin way. This is on the players.

gem: though i mostly agree bynum surly has some of the blame, but also its the guards unwillingness to get it right back to him, so he hesitates, and says damn im i ever going to see this again?? lol and its not even really kobes fault, kobe is a shooting guard thats what he does, but everyone else sometimes does it too, blake, barnes, sessions ext, but i will say on the other side of that bynum needs to pick and roll better and set better ball screens for as big as he is he should punish people setting either himself up on the roll or giving the guard an good open shot! but hasnt impressed me yet in this area....

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lakers52761 wrote:

my problem with brown is finding people on the bench when we are struggling. look at hill, he didn't get to play and now he seems like a good role player. when blake and sessions are struggling why not let glock play some minutes. when we need some energy off the bench why not see if morris, glock, ebanks, morris, hill, mcroberts, eyenga can help? in the offseason we need to get more athletic and find somebody who can shoot from the outside other than kobe.

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If the team is being out coached then the series would not be 3-1 right now.

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Def-one-24-2 wrote:

If the team is being out coached then the series would not be 3-1 right now.

i completely disagree! we have so much more talent then denver! i really feel if we had a top tier coach this team could easily have swept the nuggets with double digit wins each game!! thats not to say brown is an absolutly terrible coach, i just dont think he is a pjacks,riley,larry brown,g pop type coach......

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Post Subject: Re: are the lakers being out coached?? Posted: May 07, 2012 - 03:28 PM PST

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blackmamba1985 wrote:

I am not very well known on this site niether am i the smartest

Butt the thought crossed my mind today while watching the game that it is very possibal that we are being outcoached...

We have more talent in Bynums middle finger than these guys (the nuggets) have on there whole team.

The nuggets seem to be playing with alot more strategy than we do it almost seems (especially tonight and game 3) that the lakers were playing more pick up style baskettball they seemes wayy off there game and i think i can credit that to there coaching.

How are we being outcoached when we are up 3-1? You posted this After Sundays game where we won to go up 3-1 and you think we're being outcoached? How so? Rolling Eyes

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[i think that may be the case though... pound it into bynum and he'll create was the theme for the first two games... the last two the nuggets swarmed him and it really seemed like brown had no answer......

Rolling Eyes

Brown has no answers for them swarming Bynum? You don't think he's told him to pass it back out, get repost position? Bynum is becoming a serious black hole, he'd rather dribble baseline out of bounds shoot it over the back board (did this yesterday) than pass it back out to a wide open 3 point shooter.

That is on Bynum, not Brown. Rolling Eyes

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Def-one-24-2 wrote:

If the team is being out coached then the series would not be 3-1 right now.

i completely disagree! we have so much more talent then denver! i really feel if we had a top tier coach this team could easily have swept the nuggets with double digit wins each game!! thats not to say brown is an absolutly terrible coach, i just dont think he is a pjacks,riley,larry brown,g pop type coach......

We have a better 1-3, but other than that they have a better bench, and better shooters, and run people into the ground, tough matchup for any team. Plus going into Mile high the first game we are going to be sucking wind, that's just the way the altitude works on teams that aren't used to it. And we still almost won that game, to beat a team 4-1 and then say we're being outcoached is ridiculous.

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gemfow wrote:

Shane y2: that's actually Bynums fault right there with the swarming double teams. Bynum knows the double is coming and instead of passing the ball out right in front of him, he holds it and the team ends up with a bad shot or three seconds left on the clock. I really hope the players and coach are bringing this up with him, he needs to trust he will get the ball back.

Olisa91de: you're on the money. It's the lack of shooting that hurts this team as well, we have three post players and they don't play with a lot of room. I don't know how people put that on the coach. Repped!

Gas tank: Phil had the exact same problem with players not utilizing the post or playing defense a certin way. This is on the players.

gem: though i mostly agree bynum surly has some of the blame, but also its the guards unwillingness to get it right back to him, so he hesitates, and says damn im i ever going to see this again?? lol and its not even really kobes fault, kobe is a shooting guard thats what he does, but everyone else sometimes does it too, blake, barnes, sessions ext, but i will say on the other side of that bynum needs to pick and roll better and set better ball screens for as big as he is he should punish people setting either himself up on the roll or giving the guard an good open shot! but hasnt impressed me yet in this area....

I fully agree. The guards are not delivering the ball to Bynum in a quick fashion, it also kills the offense. I've seen it too many times where Bynum has a man sealed and the ball doesn't come his way. Opportunities like those need to be capitalized on. Also you can tell Drew doesn't think he will see the ball again and it's why he does hold it, even though it pisses me off. Towards the end f the game when they went into Drew and he was doubled, he kicked it right hack out, which tells me he knows how to do it, he chooses not to at times.

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hey gemfow, saw you on floppers buzz defending lakers against floppers fans bs. rep added Very Happy

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my assertion has more to do with his coaching adjustments over the coarse of the year. and we are ridiculously more talented then this team!! your right, you can lead a horse to water, but u cant make them drink, but browns hasnt really made great in game adjustments ive seen it from denver i havnt really seen it from us we are winning because we are the more talented team! thats it!! dont forget he got a team with 2 championships, they as players have the experience to make adjustments on their own.....

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