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 Posted: May 05, 2012 - 08:45 PM PST
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| he'd shoot every time he touches the ball , it was clear , he is not making a room for Pau to operate, him and Kobe are both selfish. when he is doubled he is forcing it and ends up with a turnover, it's clear that he don't want to pass it. even though there is a wide open man in front of him. |
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ralppcobarde wrote:
he'd shoot every time he touches the ball , it was clear , he is not making a room for Pau to operate, him and Kobe are both selfish. when he is doubled he is forcing it and ends up with a turnover, it's clear that he don't want to pass it. even though there is a wide open man in front of him.
Whenever he's double teamed he forces it up or gets a turnover? He took 11 shots last night and only turned it over twice. In your assessment he only had 13 touches last night? |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 08:55 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
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he'd shoot every time he touches the ball , it was clear , he is not making a room for Pau to operate, him and Kobe are both selfish. when he is doubled he is forcing it and ends up with a turnover, it's clear that he don't want to pass it. even though there is a wide open man in front of him.
Whenever he's double teamed he forces it up or gets a turnover? He took 11 shots last night and only turned it over twice. In your assessment he only had 13 touches last night?
you can see that he didn't want to pass the ball when he touches it.he wants to score immediately.even when he is doubled he is still trying to force it. if he had troubles let Pau operate so that the defense will become loose and easier for others and for Bynum as well.
for me, him and Kobe are selfish unless they change that. we are not gonna win a chip if that continues. in the end , i'm hoping they can change that especially on Kobe too. I'm out Chow! |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 08:57 PM PST
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| Everytime we lose is the discussion gonna be let Drew lead? Drew has to take some responsibility in getting down the court to get position,the game doesn't stop for him. With that said it doesn't matter if he gets 25 shots a night when your'e trading baskets. The Lakers dont play play good enough defense,the main reason why our games for the most part are close regardless of who we play. Good defense creates turnovers which turn into easy points and we dont get any of that. The disadvantage of bigs is out weighing the advantage because teams are exposing them running up and down the floor,playing pick and roll,getting to the ball quicker,and crowding the lane. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 09:00 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
Bynum is selfish? Give me a break. He only had 11 attempts to Gasols 13. They both are under utilized by Kobe, but please don't call Drew selfish, because if he was, he'd shoot every time he gets the ball, which he doesn't. I saw him assist to Pau a couple of times last night. Drew only shoots an average of 13 shots per game, how is that selfish?
Hold your horses there man. Kobe took 23 shots no doubt. About 4 of them were to try and beat the buzzer at the end of quarters. And they were long and bad. So, saying he effectively took 19 shots is a better way to present your case.
Also, as I stated in that other thread, Denver got 9 FGA more than LAL in Q4. Sessions put up 13 shots and I thought a few of them were forced, ala a few of Kobe's shots ( which he managed to drill in game 2 )
They outrebounded LAL by 10 rebounds. McGee went 8-12.
Every player yesterday showed up for a half's worth of minutes.
It wasn't like Bynum worked his a** off all 48 minutes and still didn't get noticed.
Bynum did get into good positions a few times but LAL didn't manage to get him the ball quickly enough through the hole created in Denver's D.
Denver played with hustle all the game. They rotated well, they managed to hit most of their outside shots while we didn't. ( See Barnes 2-9, Kobe 7-19, Sessions 5-13, Blake 0 - Something )
And I'll modify the thread title a bit : " If Drew doesn't start putting in effort on both ends, mainly on the boards defensively, we are screwed"
That was a compliment BTW. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 09:52 PM PST
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your a broken record watch the game!! he got looks and no he didnt play good defense!! he didnt play terrible but it wasnt great!! and give drew the ball and want to win right because we played much better game 2 then in game one!!! hahahaha im done arguing with you! you are now as bad as msds! you dont think logically only emotionally!!! so keep screaming drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew,drew and you'll feel better!! us logical realistic laker fans will call out all of our players who play crappy on the team!!
I hope you listened to that female commentator. She knows her stuff and she's a lot better than a lot of male count parts and so called former players. She has mentioned on more than one occasion that Drew had his man sealed and he needs to receive the ball and how he's getting frustrated.
That has been my biggest gripe with this team. drew will have deep post position, he will have his man sealed and he doesn't receive the ball and then has to leave the paint before three seconds is called. This is simple frickin basketball, keep your bigs involved and they'll work hard for you on both ends. Drew picked up his energy level when the Lakers got him involved, it happens all the time.
Maybe Kobe didn't play in the post as much and the Lakers shot too many jumpshots but that was only part of the issue. You say Drew doesn't handle double teams well? He does and he doesn't. When he's involved he handles them better, when he isn't involved he holds the ball looking to get a shot opportunity. If the team delivered the ball when he has a man sealed then it's just a matter of him turning and putting it off the backboard, not having to dribble and back his man down and dealing with doubles. Like I said, simple frickin basketball. |
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| Gemfow knows whats up. I've been debating these dudes all day about this. My words just go in one ear and the other. It's good to have someone who gets it. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 12:36 AM PST
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Laker fans are so greedy, that if they lose one game they start spelling doomsday. We have looked like the best 2nd best team in the playoffs. We lost badly the other night, but Denver serves as one of the hardest locations to play with the higher altitude and the antagonistic crowd.
When we win with ease people keep their quiet, when we lose one people be throwing stones. Talk to me if we fall behind in a playoff series. This team is the real deal and will win it all. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 12:39 AM PST
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| bynum should get the ball more. i wish he would dominate the boards every game though, no reason he shouldn't. |
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| Bynum should be the focal point from here on forward if mike clown doesnt make that change then he's as bad as kobe of being responsible for most of our losses... this is the only way of kobe getting his sixth ring, I hope he's not dumb as most of us think... he has to let Bynum do his thing and give him that damn ball inside.... kobe should, cut to the basket and hits wide open 3's from bynum's passes.. he should call himself the most important role player or supporting cast... |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 12:57 PM PST
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lakerfan8 wrote:
Laker fans are so greedy, that if they lose one game they start spelling doomsday. We have looked like the best 2nd best team in the playoffs. We lost badly the other night, but Denver serves as one of the hardest locations to play with the higher altitude and the antagonistic crowd.
When we win with ease people keep their quiet, when we lose one people be throwing stones. Talk to me if we fall behind in a playoff series. This team is the real deal and will win it all.
Exactly!!!!....Amen Brotha!!!!!....Finally someone that knows and understand the game and not worried about personal interests for individual players. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 03:34 PM PST
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lakerfan8 wrote:
Laker fans are so greedy, that if they lose one game they start spelling doomsday. We have looked like the best 2nd best team in the playoffs. We lost badly the other night, but Denver serves as one of the hardest locations to play with the higher altitude and the antagonistic crowd.
When we win with ease people keep their quiet, when we lose one people be throwing stones. Talk to me if we fall behind in a playoff series. This team is the real deal and will win it all.
Denver was like 20 and 13 at home this year, so their vaunted home court advantage isn't as great as some would have us believe. The Lakers just played like sh*t on the road AGAIN the other night and that's why they lost. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 04:29 PM PST
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Lead as in what? Be the voice in the locker room?? I dont think so. NOT MATURE ENOUGH. Get more touches/shots over Kobe? I dont think so. Bynum cant pass out of a double team CONSISTENTLY to be considered our first option over Kobe whos overall game is second to none.
I dont get what some posters on here keep saying Drew needs to get more shots over Kobe, lead our team over Kobe. Drew is having a great season LETS NOT GET CARRIED AWAY AND HAND HIM THE TEAM just yet! Not when we still have the games best player! |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 06:38 PM PST
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MSDS wrote:
Bynum should be the focal point from here on forward if mike clown doesnt make that change then he's as bad as kobe of being responsible for most of our losses... this is the only way of kobe getting his sixth ring, I hope he's not dumb as most of us think... he has to let Bynum do his thing and give him that damn ball inside.... kobe should, cut to the basket and hits wide open 3's from bynum's passes.. he should call himself the most important role player or supporting cast...
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 06:45 PM PST
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| makes me wonder what would happen if Kobe was that Ray Allen type of player. Bynum becoming the backbone of the team and kobe only shooting when he was completely open. |
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| I don't agree with the overall premise of this thread. |
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Rhythms wrote:
makes me wonder what would happen if Kobe was that Ray Allen type of player. Bynum becoming the backbone of the team and kobe only shooting when he was completely open.
thats the only way he's going to get his sixth ring,,, the offense should go thru Bynum 90% of a time... kobe can be a pretty good spot up shooter
id rather see him take wide open shots than fadeaways which he rarely makes... |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 07:06 PM PST
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| Too bad kobe is not a ray allen type of player; kobe is a better all around player. If you wanna compare him to anyone on the celtics, it would be paul pierce, but even still, kobe is better penetrating; creating off the triple threat and dribble. |
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| Ray can penetrate too, all kobe has to do is penetrate if the lane is wide open after getting a pass from Drew... you gotta understand Drew is going to get doubled 90% of a time, when that happens kobe benefits the most when he gets the ball.. he take wide open 3's. he can penetrate and dish or dunk it which he still can... |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 07:19 PM PST
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| I'd almost believe that kobe would rather bring the team down if he can't be the main offensive man. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 07:21 PM PST
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Rhythms wrote:
I'd almost believe that kobe would rather bring the team down if he can't be the main offensive man.
Ya think? LOL
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MSDS wrote:
Ray can penetrate too, all kobe has to do is penetrate if the lane is wide open after getting a pass from Drew... you gotta understand Drew is going to get doubled 90% of a time, when that happens kobe benefits the most when he gets the ball.. he take wide open 3's. he can penetrate and dish or dunk it which he still can...
They both benefit, but they're both selfish in a sense that they get into the mode, that they wanna score when they touch the ball. It's more critical when bynum gets selfish because as you said, he gets doubled a lot. He needs to pass out of double teams; repost, or just find the open man on offense. Even so, bynum still needs to put effort in other areas other than offense. |
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Rhythms wrote:
I'd almost believe that kobe would rather bring the team down if he can't be the main offensive man.
The irony is, you could make a case that bynum is doing that. |
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SourceCode wrote:
The irony is, you could make a case that bynum is doing that.
Great point, but I think Bynum would ask for a trade before doing that. On the other hand Kobe would probably want to end his career in LA |
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SourceCode wrote:
Rhythms wrote:
I'd almost believe that kobe would rather bring the team down if he can't be the main offensive man.
The irony is, you could make a case that bynum is doing that.
Bynum dont have a history plus he barely touches the ball... your notion is irrelevant |
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MSDS wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
Rhythms wrote:
I'd almost believe that kobe would rather bring the team down if he can't be the main offensive man.
The irony is, you could make a case that bynum is doing that.
Bynum dont have a history plus he barely touches the ball... your notion is irrelevant
His inconsistency of playing with full effort and aggression. You could make a case that bynum is acting out because he's not the main option, which is ultimately bringing the team down. |
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| I think Kobe is always incosistent with his shooting, Drew is always aggresive u cant just be aggresive all the time when u dont have the ball... unless Drew has got imaginary basketbll in his hands... |
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| I cant believe some of you want Kobe just to sit on the perimeter, run through screens and only shoot open shots. Have you guys forgotten what he has done for us? Have you guys forgot that he has the best post game of any SG in the game? Yes he had a bad 2nd half, I give you that but Bynum had an equally bad 1st half. By Bynum's own admission, he wasnt prepared for the game and didnt play as hard as he should have. When Bynum plays hard every quarter of every game then we will hand him the keys. Kobe brings it every night and while he might not make his shots all the time, he still comes out gunning. I love both players. Bynum is a beast but still immature in the way he approaches the game. Kobe and Bynum are getting along great on and off the court so why do we keep bringing this stuff up? Every Laker fan and analyst will tell you the Lakers are at their best when Bynum and Gasol get their touches in the paint. However without Kobe, Bynum and Gasol would be doubled in the post the enitre game. We need both, we want both. Lets go get Game 4 tonight! |
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| When Bynum and pau are posting up even if they miss, all our perimeter players are behind the 3ptarch so it prevents fastbreak.. if kobe post up at the elbow and takes a fadeaway its a long rebound and denver guards are off running on the other side... thats why its not a good idea to post kobe at the elbow against fast breaking teams... unless kobe makes the shot at least 50% of the time which he doesnt.. |
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Posted: May 06, 2012 - 07:59 PM PST
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SourceCode wrote:
MSDS wrote:
Ray can penetrate too, all kobe has to do is penetrate if the lane is wide open after getting a pass from Drew... you gotta understand Drew is going to get doubled 90% of a time, when that happens kobe benefits the most when he gets the ball.. he take wide open 3's. he can penetrate and dish or dunk it which he still can...
They both benefit, but they're both selfish in a sense that they get into the mode, that they wanna score when they touch the ball. It's more critical when bynum gets selfish because as you said, he gets doubled a lot. He needs to pass out of double teams; repost, or just find the open man on offense. Even so, bynum still needs to put effort in other areas other than offense.
agreed. this is what I'm talking about they are both selfish which makes Pau ignored sometimes , i mean not sometimes it seems always now. I wish we traded Pau he can use some of his skills elsewhere , his skills are gone waste here . we have 2 selfish players we ain't gonna win .
we are still wondering Bynum can't handle double teams because he didn't want too. he doesn't want to pass to a wide open player when he is doubled.he wants to score. Pau should be on the post more chances are something good will happen every possession. |
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MSDS wrote:
When Bynum and pau are posting up even if they miss, all our perimeter players are behind the 3ptarch so it prevents fastbreak.. if kobe post up at the elbow and takes a fadeaway its a long rebound and denver guards are off running on the other side... thats why its not a good idea to post kobe at the elbow against fast breaking teams... unless kobe makes the shot at least 50% of the time which he doesnt..
not a good idea? he is gonna get double coverage , he is a threat offensively so it will open up for his teammates , he will score or pass when he is in the post and he is effective on that. so tell me what should Kobe supposed to do? become the greatest role player LOL? you are better than that. please post relevant more. even he is 43 percent from the field he is the only one that i will trust on the perimeter for the Lakers the other perimeter guy was benched for good. G-lock. even when we have size in the paint , we still need outside threat so we can operate inside too. it's important for Kobe too shoot. |
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| We should trade Kobe 4 a big mac and a pack of now and laters.it's his fault the team shot bad,and McGee scored at will in the second half |
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| It's pretty strange how all Bynum threads have gotten moved to the Kobe vs Bynum thread, even if Kobe isn't mentioned, except this one. They didn't merge it because then it wouldn't of gotten past the negative 15 votes it needed in order to kick me off from threading for a week. I'm getting screwed, not as bad as the Lakers and their fans are going to be if they don't feed Drew, but I'm getting screwed none the less. |
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ralppcobarde wrote:
MSDS wrote:
When Bynum and pau are posting up even if they miss, all our perimeter players are behind the 3ptarch so it prevents fastbreak.. if kobe post up at the elbow and takes a fadeaway its a long rebound and denver guards are off running on the other side... thats why its not a good idea to post kobe at the elbow against fast breaking teams... unless kobe makes the shot at least 50% of the time which he doesnt..
not a good idea? he is gonna get double coverage , he is a threat offensively so it will open up for his teammates , he will score or pass when he is in the post and he is effective on that. so tell me what should Kobe supposed to do? become the greatest role player LOL? you are better than that. please post relevant more. even he is 43 percent from the field he is the only one that i will trust on the perimeter for the Lakers the other perimeter guy was benched for good. G-lock. even when we have size in the paint , we still need outside threat so we can operate inside too. it's important for Kobe too shoot.
role player might be too harsh maybe second or 3rd option... coz that's the only way he can win his sixth ring, by taking a back seat to Bynum.. like wat tim duncan is doing right now... |
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Well, he did it again tonight folks. Bynum's attitude is horrible. I could give two sh-its if he has the highest FG% on offense. I don't want to hear the excuses. His pouting and lack of effort, especially on defense - every other game, is pathetic. Destroyed by McGee tonight. Mark my words - this guy will never be a legitimate franchise player. I'd still definitely move this guy for Howard.
BTW, he got plenty of touches / attempted touches tonight. He just can't do much against double teams, hence the low number of shot attempts. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:30 AM PST
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MSDS wrote:
ralppcobarde wrote:
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When Bynum and pau are posting up even if they miss, all our perimeter players are behind the 3ptarch so it prevents fastbreak.. if kobe post up at the elbow and takes a fadeaway its a long rebound and denver guards are off running on the other side... thats why its not a good idea to post kobe at the elbow against fast breaking teams... unless kobe makes the shot at least 50% of the time which he doesnt..
not a good idea? he is gonna get double coverage , he is a threat offensively so it will open up for his teammates , he will score or pass when he is in the post and he is effective on that. so tell me what should Kobe supposed to do? become the greatest role player LOL? you are better than that. please post relevant more. even he is 43 percent from the field he is the only one that i will trust on the perimeter for the Lakers the other perimeter guy was benched for good. G-lock. even when we have size in the paint , we still need outside threat so we can operate inside too. it's important for Kobe too shoot.
role player might be too harsh maybe second or 3rd option... coz that's the only way he can win his sixth ring, by taking a back seat to Bynum.. like wat tim duncan is doing right now...
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 06:38 AM PST
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| We have two Bynum, Sometimes we have "The best Ever" Bynum and sometimes we have "the other Guy" Bynum. Something like Dr Jekyll y Mr Hide. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 06:55 AM PST
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| Is it just me or do you guys notice matt barnes was fire when kobe was injured? Y did he have more shots than bynum tonight. I actually don't knower if he had more but he had at least 10 and made like 2. Barnes pisssssssssssssesssss me off. Idk y ppl like him |
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| Last nights game is why this thread was created. Look what happens when you ignore Drew and let Kobe lead. I'm sorry, but Kobe shot us out of the damn game the 1st quarter. Drew was 2 for 4 and Kobe was 3 for 10. Bynum got 4 more attempts after that and Kobe got 22. If Bynum were to lead and if he had Kobe's 32 shots, we would have won the game, because Drew strives when he's involved. If Kobe is the leader, then he better tell his troops to get the ball to Bynum more, but he failed to do that. a leader does not go away from his strengths. If Kobe guns it again in Denver, we are going to lose. It's funny how we win when Bynum gets the ball. Lets add Gasol to that too. I'm sure he was plenty happy to watch Kobe jack it up 32 times. Way to play to your strengths Lakers. Yeeeeaaaaa!!! |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:07 PM PST
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Bynum was putting the 7-20+ when Kobe didnt play for a couple of games this year. It is not like Bynum shot better without Kobe even when he had more shots.
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:15 PM PST
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KB24*BM wrote:
Bynum was putting the 7-20+ when Kobe didnt play for a couple of games this year. It is not like Bynum shot better without Kobe even when he had more shots.
People are quick to forget.
Yes, maybe, but he was the leader in those games and we won. We fed off him and off Pau. Ebanks, Barnes, Metta, everybody was scoring and playing great team ball and it was fun to watch. Now we get to watch Kobe shoot the ball 32 times to our starters 34. If this continues, I have no doubt we are done in the playoffs. This is a team game and we are not playing as a team as we were the stretch that Kobe was out. If He would just play team ball he will get his 6th ring. Bynum and Gasol and the rest of the players like to shoot too you know. Why does Kobe have to try and do it all by himself? Bynum is ready and capable of taking more than 8 shots. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:20 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
KB24*BM wrote:
Bynum was putting the 7-20+ when Kobe didnt play for a couple of games this year. It is not like Bynum shot better without Kobe even when he had more shots.
People are quick to forget.
Yes, maybe, but he was the leader in those games and we won. We fed off him and off Pau. Ebanks, Barnes, Metta, everybody was scoring and playing great team ball and it was fun to watch. Now we get to watch Kobe shoot the ball 32 times to our starters 34. If this continues, I have no doubt we are done in the playoffs. This is a team game and we are not playing as a team as we were the stretch that Kobe was out. If He would just play team ball he will get his 6th ring. Bynum and Gasol and the rest of the players like to shoot too you know. Why does Kobe have to try and do it all by himself? Bynum is ready and capable of taking more than 8 shots.
I know Kobe could have pass on like 7 or 8 shots last night, but Sessions and Blake were holding to the ball too long and not feeding Bynum when he was post up. Also Denver dared LA to shoot the ball by double teaming Bynum in the post. You know that if you give Kobe the ball with 5 seconds left he will shot the ball. he has a happy trigger. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:23 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
KB24*BM wrote:
Bynum was putting the 7-20+ when Kobe didnt play for a couple of games this year. It is not like Bynum shot better without Kobe even when he had more shots.
People are quick to forget.
Yes, maybe, but he was the leader in those games and we won. We fed off him and off Pau. Ebanks, Barnes, Metta, everybody was scoring and playing great team ball and it was fun to watch. Now we get to watch Kobe shoot the ball 32 times to our starters 34. If this continues, I have no doubt we are done in the playoffs. This is a team game and we are not playing as a team as we were the stretch that Kobe was out. If He would just play team ball he will get his 6th ring. Bynum and Gasol and the rest of the players like to shoot too you know. Why does Kobe have to try and do it all by himself? Bynum is ready and capable of taking more than 8 shots.
LOL. Who did we actually play aside from the Spurs? who were caught off guard...and those 2 losses, we lossed by over 20 pts. And should I remind you Lakerdude what Bynum's FG% was in those 7 games??
What you bynumphiles dont understand...Bynum shooting more, or getting more touches, does not necessarily make our team better. Where he makes our team better is on the defensive end. ex. Game 1. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:25 PM PST
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Since DaAssasins was being humble. lol
Bynum shot 42.2% in those 7 games. |
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KB24*BM wrote:
Since DaAssasins was being humble. lol
Bynum shot 42.2% in those 7 games.
Thanks KB24! haha. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 05:29 PM PST
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DaAssasins wrote:
KB24*BM wrote:
Since DaAssasins was being humble. lol
Bynum shot 42.2% in those 7 games.
Thanks KB24! haha.
You are very welcomed. lol |
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DaAssasins wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
KB24*BM wrote:
Bynum was putting the 7-20+ when Kobe didnt play for a couple of games this year. It is not like Bynum shot better without Kobe even when he had more shots.
People are quick to forget.
Yes, maybe, but he was the leader in those games and we won. We fed off him and off Pau. Ebanks, Barnes, Metta, everybody was scoring and playing great team ball and it was fun to watch. Now we get to watch Kobe shoot the ball 32 times to our starters 34. If this continues, I have no doubt we are done in the playoffs. This is a team game and we are not playing as a team as we were the stretch that Kobe was out. If He would just play team ball he will get his 6th ring. Bynum and Gasol and the rest of the players like to shoot too you know. Why does Kobe have to try and do it all by himself? Bynum is ready and capable of taking more than 8 shots.
LOL. Who did we actually play aside from the Spurs? who were caught off guard...and those 2 losses, we lossed by over 20 pts. And should I remind you Lakerdude what Bynum's FG% was in those 7 games??
What you bynumphiles dont understand...Bynum shooting more, or getting more touches, does not necessarily make our team better. Where he makes our team better is on the defensive end. ex. Game 1.
Then why did Barnes, Metta, Blake and everyone start playing great when Kobe was out and Bynum was in charge, and when Kobe's there they played like Garbage? And how come when Bynum got tossed out of games when the Lakers had the lead, the Lakers couldn't finish? |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 06:22 PM PST
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Lakerdude,
we all know this is bynums team now, kobe's just trying to spoil it, he's going to get amnestied if he does not fall in line,,,next season... this is his last chance to show & stick to it jim buss...
Dyo think the big boss is happy Bynum being undermined?
No freaking way!!!!! |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 06:25 PM PST
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MSDS wrote:
Lakerdude,
we all know this is bynums team now, kobe's just trying to spoil it, he's going to get amnestied if he does not fall in line,,,next season... this is his last chance to show & stick to it jim buss...
Dyo think the big boss is happy Bynum being undermined?
No freaking way!!!!!
If we don't win it this year, I think you could be right. If not, Bynum will demand a trade and he will finally go somewhere that he will be allowed to play. |
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Posted: May 09, 2012 - 06:41 PM PST
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MSDS wrote:
Lakerdude,
we all know this is bynums team now, kobe's just trying to spoil it, he's going to get amnestied if he does not fall in line,,,next season... this is his last chance to show & stick to it jim buss...
Dyo think the big boss is happy Bynum being undermined?
No freaking way!!!!!
Kobe amnestied? You, sir, are a funny one. |
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