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Post Subject: Andrew Bynum can multitask Post ID: 647801Posted: May 04, 2012 - 01:47 AM PST
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Through two games against the Nuggets, it's hard to find much fault with the play of Andrew Bynum. He dominated Sunday's Game 1, hauling in 13 rebounds and with a swateriffic! 10 blocked shots (plus countless more altered (alteredariffic!)), anchoring the Lakers defense against Denver's attack. In Game 2 he wasn't as influential defensively, but finished with 27 points on the other end, plus nine boards, two assists, and two blocks.

Another honest day's work, for sure.

Still, after Bynum said he was disappointed in his game, a stance he explained again following practice Thursday afternoon. "Could have been a better performance, and you don’t get to get it back. I could have made more shots, get some more boards. That’s really it. I missed a lot of opportunities,” he said.

I think most people are willing to cut him some slack given the level of production, but the contrast in stat lines did raise the question -- and I mean that literally -- of "which Bynum" the Lakers would rather see. “I thought he played well in both games," Mike Brown said, addressing the point. "Obviously when he’s able to impact the game on both ends of the floor as much as he did in Game 1, even though he scored a whole heck of a lot more, you like that better. Realistically, I think he can do both. I think he can still impact a game defensively or control a game defensively, and he can score."

Asked the same question, Kobe Bryant said the game largely determines the performance.

“Whatever the game dictates. Game 1, because of what they were doing defensively and just the flow of the game, that’s what he did. Game 2, because just of the flow of the game, he had 27 points. It’s playing the game that’s in front of him."

There's no question Bynum has to be a presence for the Lakers to be an elite defensive team. If he must choose between domination offensively or defensively, it's a no brainer defense wins. Except why would he have to? He's frequently been both at different points throughout the season, and certainly into the first two games of the playoffs. In Game 1, Bynum didn't put up points, but was a key cog in the Lakers attack thanks to good work recognizing and passing out of double teams, leading to open shots on the perimeter. He's a big reason the Lakers were 6-of-12 from 3-point range heading into the fourth quarter, and outside shooting was a big reason the Lakers won. Tuesday, he didn't block 10 shots but still put in a pretty solid effort defensively, and took advantage of more openings at the other end, scoring efficiently on a night the Lakers needed their stars to be stars.

Bynum's game can't be expected to look the same every game, at least not judged by the stat sheet. What matters most is his level of engagement, and through two games he's been great in that regard.

When that happens, the results are usually strong.

Link: http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lak ... -multitask

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Funny I was just talking about this the other day, this team is currently build for bynum being the anchor of the defense and 2-3rd option, because he dang do both at the level we need him to be at, and becuase this team has a ton of scorers, we are better when bynum devotes his time to defense! Because no body can pick up the slack on def, when he is more focused on off! Not that he played bad defense in game 2 just his focus was different.....
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Until Bynum can consistently dominate both ends of the floor, he can't be counted on to be a franchise player. But, like I said, for us to win this year, we just need him to play like Tyson Chandler. Chandler was a big reason the Mavs won last year.
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Funny I was just talking about this the other day, this team is currently build for bynum being the anchor of the defense and 2-3rd option, because he dang do both at the level we need him to be at, and becuase this team has a ton of scorers, we are better when bynum devotes his time to defense! Because no body can pick up the slack on def, when he is more focused on off! Not that he played bad defense in game 2 just his focus was different.....


I think Bynum is aware of his need to be a force defensively. 9 boards and 2 blocks is respectable production by any reasonable standards, but Bynum expects more from himself, which is good to see. His mind is certainly in the right place because he just wants to be the best player he can be.

It should be noted that Bynum was in reality sufficiently engaged on both ends of the floor last game, and the ESPN article defined his game as "a pretty solid effort defensively", even though the defensive stats were not at dominant standards. Tyson Chandler is a perfect example of how the numbers don't tell the whole story about a player's defensive impact. Tyson didn't even average over 10 rebounds, nor did he average close to 2 blocks per game, but he still won DPOY. Why? Because he was consistently engaged defensively. Bynum has been engaged these last few playoff games and it's helped the Lakers winning efforts tremendously. This is great to see.

What I find most encouraging of all is that Bynum put up a whopping 27 points to go along with that previously mentioned "solid effort defensively." That's what you'd expect out of a budding franchise player and Bynum seems determined to play up to that standard. So far in the playoffs, on that big stage, he's off to a very good start.

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Until Bynum can consistently dominate both ends of the floor, he can't be counted on to be a franchise player. But, like I said, for us to win this year, we just need him to play like Tyson Chandler. Chandler was a big reason the Mavs won last year.



No, Bymun has to be an offensive scorer as well as defend. You can't have your best offensive player just stick to defense. He can score 30 every night get 10 boards and 3 blocks. That's the stat line he could have if he was afforded more shots. He is our franchise player already by the way, and is living up too it big time. Just wait when Kobe has one of those 5 for 26 games and you wanting Bynum to just rebound and pass it too him results in a loss.
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Until Bynum can consistently dominate both ends of the floor, he can't be counted on to be a franchise player. But, like I said, for us to win this year, we just need him to play like Tyson Chandler. Chandler was a big reason the Mavs won last year.



No, Bymun has to be an offensive scorer as well as defend. You can't have your best offensive player just stick to defense. He can score 30 every night get 10 boards and 3 blocks. That's the stat line he could have if he was afforded more shots. He is our franchise player already by the way, and is living up too it big time. Just wait when Kobe has one of those 5 for 26 games and you wanting Bynum to just rebound and pass it too him results in a loss.


If Bynum would focus as hard on defense, as he does on the offensive end, we will win games where Kobe has a bad shooting game, or our bench doesnt contribute.

Look at Game 1, Bynum had 10 pts on 7 shots, and we blew out the Nuggets. Game 2, Bynum takes 20 shots, and we barely win....hmmm....is that a concidence??
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I'm not really a big fan of unfair and short-sighted assessments. Game 2 was more more tightly contested than Game 1 mainly because the Lakers as a team did not defend as well as they did in game 1. Furthermore, Denver made a few adjustments after their game 1 loss, and Karl had them attacking more aggressively and trying to force a faster tempo with more persistence in game 2.

It also didn't hurt that Ty Lawson returned to form and was an offensive force for Denver in game 2, whereas he was a non-factor in game 1. It's not really fair to put it all on Bynum because basketball is a team sport and it takes a collective effort to be a consistently dominant defensive team. As stated in the above article, Bynum still had a solid defensive performance in game 2 and the team would not have likely won the game without his significant contributions on BOTH ends of the floor.

With the bench struggling, and the stars being called upon to carry the offensive load, the Lakers would have been in dire straits without Bynum's offensive output in game 2.

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lakerdude wrote:
DaAssasins wrote:
Until Bynum can consistently dominate both ends of the floor, he can't be counted on to be a franchise player. But, like I said, for us to win this year, we just need him to play like Tyson Chandler. Chandler was a big reason the Mavs won last year.



No, Bymun has to be an offensive scorer as well as defend. You can't have your best offensive player just stick to defense. He can score 30 every night get 10 boards and 3 blocks. That's the stat line he could have if he was afforded more shots. He is our franchise player already by the way, and is living up too it big time. Just wait when Kobe has one of those 5 for 26 games and you wanting Bynum to just rebound and pass it too him results in a loss.


If Bynum would focus as hard on defense, as he does on the offensive end, we will win games where Kobe has a bad shooting game, or our bench doesnt contribute.

Look at Game 1, Bynum had 10 pts on 7 shots, and we blew out the Nuggets. Game 2, Bynum takes 20 shots, and we barely win....hmmm....is that a concidence??



Well Kobe took more shots this game as well. He had 29, maybe if he would of got the team more involved instead of shooting so much, it would of been a blowout. As far as defense goes, their centers combined for 13 total points between the 3 of them. He did his job on those dudes. What else do you want? He dominated on offense and defense, something you said he can't do. What can you say about that?
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As usual, you make a great point, lakerdude. Denver's centers have not really hurt the Lakers offensively so far in this series and the main reason for that is Andrew Bynum's stalwart defensive presence in the paint.

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If andrew took 29 shot attempt he would have scored 50pts
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As usual, you make a great point, lakerdude. Denver's centers have not really hurt the Lakers offensively so far in this series and the main reason for that is Andrew Bynum's stalwart defensive presence in the paint.


Haha...Koufos, Mosgov, and Mgee, for the season don't even avg 10 pts a game...I dont think Bynum's defense has nothing to do with holding them down...LMAO!

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If andrew took 29 shot attempt he would have scored 50pts


When Kobe was out, Bynum avg. 22 shots/game and only avg about 21 pts a game. Hmmm, I don't follow where Bynum is now Wilt..lol.
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DaAssasins. You really are going out of your way to ridicule Bynum and belittle him. It's pretty much just one disparaging comment about Bynum after another from you. It would be nice if you wouldn't try so hard to deny other Laker fans their enjoyment of Bynum's success. This article is offering praise and positive reinforcement of Bynum's admirable play in the post-season thus far. All you seem to have to offer is negativity, doubt, and cynicism where it regards Bynum. I had hoped our site members could show more maturity and encouragement for our players, but apparently I was wrong. I think the best and most loyal fans can appreciate both Bynum's monumental playoff contributions, and Kobe epic play in these first 2 games.

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DaAssasins. You really are going out of your way to ridicule Bynum and belittle him. It's pretty much just one disparaging comment about Bynum after another from you. It would be nice if you wouldn't try so hard to deny other Laker fans their enjoyment of Bynum's success. This article is offering praise and positive reinforcement of Bynum's admirable play in the post-season thus far. All you seem to have to offer is negativity, doubt, and cynicism where it regards Bynum. I had hoped our site members could show more maturity and encouragement for our players, but apparently I was wrong.


LOL. Are you kidding me here? You guys ridicule one of the Greatest Laker of all time, and I come here, and make sound analysis, backed with facts, and you say I'm immature?

Weren't you warned already about personal attacks, if you can't handle a debate with me LSD, just ignore me, until then I suggest you either stay with the debate, or layoff the personal attacks.
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Kobe and Bynum can keep having great games, But if Gasol or Bench have an off night we will lose especially against the second round team. So if Kobe and Bynum both keep playing defense and scoring in high volume we will be fine at the moment. I do feel fatigue will be on display once we get the tougher teams and we will see what happens when Kobe get swarmed on and Bynum get in physical play. Our Bench has m attention because how long they can hold up is a huge question mark.
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DaAssasins wrote:
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DaAssasins. You really are going out of your way to ridicule Bynum and belittle him. It's pretty much just one disparaging comment about Bynum after another from you. It would be nice if you wouldn't try so hard to deny other Laker fans their enjoyment of Bynum's success. This article is offering praise and positive reinforcement of Bynum's admirable play in the post-season thus far. All you seem to have to offer is negativity, doubt, and cynicism where it regards Bynum. I had hoped our site members could show more maturity and encouragement for our players, but apparently I was wrong.


LOL. Are you kidding me here? You guys ridicule one of the Greatest Laker of all time, and I come here, and make sound analysis, backed with facts, and you say I'm immature?

Weren't you warned already about personal attacks, if you can't handle a debate with me LSD, just ignore me, until then I suggest you either stay with the debate, or layoff the personal attacks.



I've never ridiculed Kobe. The only things I've been saying all year is that he should of shared the ball more. Feed the bigs. On those nights where he shot us out of games, and there were a lot of them, we would have been better off going to the bigs, esp Drew, when he was scoring at will. What's wrong for getting on a dude for ballhogging when there's a 7' monster getting ignored? That's what I've been saying all season. It's not ridicule, it's breaking down the game and utilizing what is best, and the best was underutilized most of the year, Bynum.
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LOL. Are you kidding me here? You guys ridicule one of the Greatest Laker of all time, and I come here, and make sound analysis, backed with facts, and you say I'm immature?

Weren't you warned already about personal attacks, if you can't handle a debate with me LSD, just ignore me, until then I suggest you either stay with the debate, or layoff the personal attacks.


Nope, I'm not attacking you at all. I was hoping for more maturity in general on these forums, but that's not an attack, and I certainly didn't directly call you immature. I'm not even ridiculing Kobe, so your comments are baseless. I'm actually appreciative and very happy Kobe is playing as well as he is, especially at his age. He's a great, great player, and he's playing great ball in these playoffs. I just wish your personal bias in favor of Kobe and against Bynum wouldn't cause you to keep trying to tear Bynum down at every opportunity. I think your comments are tainting some of these very positive and uplifting threads about Bynum.

I find it very ironic that your idol Kobe has nothing but positive and encouraging things to say about Bynum, but you are responding in exactly the opposite way. Perhaps you should listen to your boy Kobe.

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Lakeshowsd,

Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...
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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.

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Is that really you lsd? Lol Your posts recently remind me of lakerrrtx's, GREAT!

But I agree with you. The low blows are coming from the "Bynum lovers" and "Kobe lovers". Right now they look worse and just don't make any sense because both Bynum and Kobe are playing some very efficient and dominant basketball. What more could we as Laker fans ask for!?

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Is that really you lsd? Lol Your posts recently remind me of lakerrrtx's, GREAT!

But I agree with you. The low blows are coming from the "Bynum lovers" and "Kobe lovers". Right now they look worse and just don't make any sense because both Bynum and Kobe are playing some very efficient and dominant basketball. What more could we as Laker fans ask for!?


That's how I feel about it. Everyone knows I've had my complaints about Kobe in the past, but I certainly feel no need to show disregard for him in light of his elevated play. I'm ecstatic that Kobe is playing so well and he's impressed the hell out of me with his efficiency and overall productivity. I think all the good and true Laker fans are greatly appreciative of both Kobe and Bynum's great play so far in these playoffs.

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Andrew Bynum just takes what he can in the flow of the game. He doesn't seem to feel the need to force anything, which is a huge plus. A team that has players that can adapt to different situations is a dangerous one indeed, which was something the Lakers couldn't seem to do early in the season.

Game 1: Ebanks, Sessions, and Blake come out shooting on all cylinders. Bynum lets the Lakers ride the hot hand and takes on the main role of defensive enforcer.

Game 2: Ebanks, Sessions, and Blake have a much colder shooting night. With them being cold and MWP out, Bynum picks up the scoring load.

Pigeonholing Bynum to Ben Wallace or Tyson Chandler status is a supreme waste of his talents. That kind of thinking is the exact reason why Bynum felt the need to score and get touches early in the season, because he will never be treated as more than just a defensive role player if he is constrained to that role. Us Lakers fans know he can and is much better than that, and the way he's playing and adapting to game situations right now should be more than satisfactory for us.
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Pigeonholing Bynum to Ben Wallace or Tyson Chandler status is a supreme waste of his talents. That kind of thinking is the exact reason why Bynum felt the need to score and get touches early in the season, because he will never be treated as more than just a defensive role player if he is constrained to that role. Us Lakers fans know he can and is much better than that, and the way he's playing and adapting to game situations right now should be more than satisfactory for us.


Exactly, that's why i've been trying to say too. Very smart post.

The fans who seek to "pigeonhole" Bynum to strictly a defensive role as you put it are clearly showing a lack of consideration for Bynum's offensive talents. Drew has been giving the Lakers exactly what they need to win games and whatever the game to game situations have called for, Bynum has provided it. Even Kobe said the exact same thing, so you're absolutely right, thatguy.

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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.


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Just a little more time Drew and you will have more control, your contract's expiring soon after that team option is picked up.. its time to make some demands beofre you sign that extension just like what kobe did to shaq and phil... before he signed his...
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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.


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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.



LSD: I don't agree with your putting my name on this post and saying I'm showing blatant disregard toward Kobe. If you read any of my posts during and after the games, I was talking about how great Kobe did. Go back and look. I've praised him for what he's been doing this postseason. My recent statements have just been debating points between DaAssisins and I.

I haven't shown disregard toward Kobe, let alone blatant. Do you want to bring up the positive posts I've mentioned him in since the playoffs? I have no problem doing that. You really shouldn't of included my name in this dude. It's a false accusation. You should read my posts, and then retract your statement.


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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.


That is probably one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Great job lsd. I do believe that the reason some people bash on Bynum is because of others doing the same to Kobe. It's crazy because lately this site has become quite negative when it comes to these types of things. Anyway, again, well said.

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Yeah he is just a Bynum hater... he loves the overrated kobe dont sweat I understand them close minded...


MSDS,

I agree that certain members do belittle, downplay, and disparage Bynum's achievements excessively but the same is true for what some of you are doing to Kobe.

I have a sneaking suspicion that people like DaAssasins will stop making such an effort to belittle Bynum if posters like you and lakerdude stop showing such blatant disregard for Kobe. That's why I spoke to a lack of maturity on these forums in general and I didn't single out just one person like DaAssasins assumed I was doing.

There's no way any of you Laker fans can draw the conclusions that Kobe is a scrub because he's certainly not playing like one. In these playoffs, Kobe's been highly efficient, and very productive, so our complaints about him should be non-existent. Let's just try to show more support for Kobe and Bynum, and if you have to pick a side, it would be nice if you kept it on the Kobe VS Drew thread.



LSD: I don't agree with your putting my name on this post and saying I'm showing blatant disregard toward Kobe. If you read any of my posts during and after the games, I was talking about how great Kobe did. Go back and look. I've praised him for what he's been doing this postseason. My recent statements have just been debating points between DaAssisins and I. I haven't shown disregard toward Kobe, let alone blatant.


im not sure your being real honest with yourself dude!! lol although i will admit that as of late your post have been a lot better in this regard, and u dont spew out putrid garbage like msds does! but u do downplay kobe a lot still to prop up bynum! and i follow a lot of yours and lsd's posts because you may lean more to bynum, your still logical, knowledgeable LAKERS fans!!
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lakerdude,

On the "Would you trade Bynum" thread, you did make that comment about Kobe holding Bynum back because Kobe shoots too much. That's the kind of stuff that should be reserved for the Kobe VS Drew thread, and it's easy to understand how that statement can be viewed as ridiculing Kobe to elevate Bynum. That's the main reason I threw your name in there with MSDS.

Still, overall I will admit that you've been much better about not throwing Kobe under the bus, and better about giving Kobe proper respect and consideration when you discuss Bynum in the same sentence. I give you credit. You have my apologies if you were offended by my mentioning your name but I was trying to make a point. Hopefully if people like you, myself, and even MSDS take the higher road and show proper respect and consideration to Kobe, people like DaAssasins and others who are clearly biased in favor of Kobe will chill out and stop trying to ruin our time when we marvel over Drew. I'm just trying to keep the peace here.

I recently spoke with Axle in a PM, since he's had some problems with me on these forums, and we both agreed that I should stop excessively criticizing Kobe, and that Axle should stop excessively criticizing Bynum. We both agreed that it would be best to set a good example for our fellow LTBers and I've tried to hold true to that agreement.

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LSD: Here are some of my posts: These are playoff posts.

1) lakerdude wrote: The last 2 games, Drew has played great, yet Kobe and Gasol get the interviews at the end. They get to sit and answer questions on NBA TV, but Bynum doesn't, what gives. I think that's B.S. Drew is getting screwed. He should be sitting at the podium. WTF? Kobe deserves it of course because he's the greatest, but what about Bynum? Kobe praise Drew in his interview, and I love it, but why doesn't Bynum get enough love to to speak at this level?

2)MSDS wrote: I agree, maybe he'll say kobe needs to stop ballhoggin..


Lakerdude wrote: You have to relax dude. Kobe had a great game. If you keep trashing Kobe without making your point dude, you'll probably be banned for trolling. I don't want that to happen to you, because you seem like a true Drew fan, but you have to slow your roll my bro.

3)PurpleKnight wrote:
OOOOOH!!! Bynum is going to party like it's 1999 tonight!!!

Lakerdude wrote: Kobe and him both. We have a great 1 2 punch, with Gasol in the mix, and I don't see why we can't go as far as they want to go.

4) lakerdude wrote: Kobe and Drew are ready to take us to the promise land.

5) I wish it were that simple PurpleKnight. That may be the best scenario, but it's not feasible. Bynum wants it and Kobe wants it. They are playing that way, and may the best man win is the end result. I agree with you though, when one wins and the other doesn't, it will probably be unjust. I love your thread though and will rep it. It's a great concept that should, in a perfect world, be the end result.


Thanks a million LakerDude! I know that it probably won't happen. But we do need BOTH to play beastly to win it! ANd if one wins MVP over the other, it would be a shame. Especially if they both deserve it like I predict!

6) lakerdude wrote: Kobe played a good game today. He forced a few shots, but he let the team play. It was great to see. Let's keep it going.


Tailspin wrote: I don't want to criticize you but what are you talking about? Kobe had his usual customary game of shooting 20-25 shots per game. Bynum made the difference with his outstanding D. That is the kind of game that we need from Bynum.


lakerdude wrote: Kobe was good today. He started off shaky, but got it together later on. Bynum kicked a$$. Drew is the best player on the team, and that's been my opinion all year. What's your problem with what I said?

Tailspin wrote: Sorry just nit-picking my bad. Kobe just had a regular Kobe game


lakerdude wrote: I hear you. It was a regular Kobe game, but he did it in the flow of the game. He didn't appear to try and force issues like he normally does. he played in the confines of the game. I don't want to see the Kobe that feels like he has to do it all by himself. It seemed like he was about "team" today.


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That is probably one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Great job lsd. I do believe that the reason some people bash on Bynum is because of others doing the same to Kobe. It's crazy because lately this site has become quite negative when it comes to these types of things. Anyway, again, well said.


Thank you, SHOEMAKER and others who appreciated my stance on this subject.

It's become painfully apparent that there is an excessive amount of vindictiveness and pettiness in the way some posters choose to respond to others whom they feel are disrespecting their favorite Lakers player or players. We can turn the negativity around if there are those of us reputed site members who are willing to take the high road and show proper respect to both Bynum and Kobe.

My name is lakeshowsd, not Bynumshowsd. I support the Lakers as a group first and foremost, and that support takes precedence over my support of any single player on the team. The Lakers are a storied franchise and they're much bigger than any 1 player. We have to remember that fact.

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That is probably one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Great job lsd. I do believe that the reason some people bash on Bynum is because of others doing the same to Kobe. It's crazy because lately this site has become quite negative when it comes to these types of things. Anyway, again, well said.


Thank you, SHOEMAKER and others who appreciated my stance on this subject.

It's become painfully apparent that there is an excessive amount of vindictiveness and pettiness in the way some posters choose to respond to others whom they feel are disrespecting their favorite Lakers player or players. We can turn the negativity around if there are those of us reputed site members who are willing to take the high road and show proper respect to both Bynum and Kobe. My name is lakeshowsd, not Bynumshowsd, and I support the Lakers as a group first and foremost, and that support takes precedence over any single player on the team. The Lakers are a storied franchise and they're much bigger than any 1 player. We have to remember that fact.


Make a thread for your original comment so all could read it.
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lakerdude wrote:
LSD: Here are some of my posts: These are playoff posts.

1) lakerdude wrote: The last 2 games, Drew has played great, yet Kobe and Gasol get the interviews at the end. They get to sit and answer questions on NBA TV, but Bynum doesn't, what gives. I think that's B.S. Drew is getting screwed. He should be sitting at the podium. WTF? Kobe deserves it of course because he's the greatest, but what about Bynum? Kobe praise Drew in his interview, and I love it, but why doesn't Bynum get enough love to to speak at this level?

2)MSDS wrote: I agree, maybe he'll say kobe needs to stop ballhoggin..


Lakerdude wrote: You have to relax dude. Kobe had a great game. If you keep trashing Kobe without making your point dude, you'll probably be banned for trolling. I don't want that to happen to you, because you seem like a true Drew fan, but you have to slow your roll my bro.

3)PurpleKnight wrote:
OOOOOH!!! Bynum is going to party like it's 1999 tonight!!!

Lakerdude wrote: Kobe and him both. We have a great 1 2 punch, with Gasol in the mix, and I don't see why we can't go as far as they want to go.

4) lakerdude wrote: Kobe and Drew are ready to take us to the promise land.

5) I wish it were that simple PurpleKnight. That may be the best scenario, but it's not feasible. Bynum wants it and Kobe wants it. They are playing that way, and may the best man win is the end result. I agree with you though, when one wins and the other doesn't, it will probably be unjust. I love your thread though and will rep it. It's a great concept that should, in a perfect world, be the end result.


Thanks a million LakerDude! I know that it probably won't happen. But we do need BOTH to play beastly to win it! ANd if one wins MVP over the other, it would be a shame. Especially if they both deserve it like I predict!

6) lakerdude wrote: Kobe played a good game today. He forced a few shots, but he let the team play. It was great to see. Let's keep it going.


Tailspin wrote: I don't want to criticize you but what are you talking about? Kobe had his usual customary game of shooting 20-25 shots per game. Bynum made the difference with his outstanding D. That is the kind of game that we need from Bynum.


lakerdude wrote: Kobe was good today. He started off shaky, but got it together later on. Bynum kicked a$$. Drew is the best player on the team, and that's been my opinion all year. What's your problem with what I said?

Tailspin wrote: Sorry just nit-picking my bad. Kobe just had a regular Kobe game


lakerdude wrote: I hear you. It was a regular Kobe game, but he did it in the flow of the game. He didn't appear to try and force issues like he normally does. he played in the confines of the game. I don't want to see the Kobe that feels like he has to do it all by himself. It seemed like he was about "team" today.



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Lakerdude,

Did you read my last post? I said you've been doing better. Let's not make more of this than we should.

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That is probably one of the best posts I've seen in a long time. Great job lsd. I do believe that the reason some people bash on Bynum is because of others doing the same to Kobe. It's crazy because lately this site has become quite negative when it comes to these types of things. Anyway, again, well said.


Thank you, SHOEMAKER and others who appreciated my stance on this subject.

It's become painfully apparent that there is an excessive amount of vindictiveness and pettiness in the way some posters choose to respond to others whom they feel are disrespecting their favorite Lakers player or players. We can turn the negativity around if there are those of us reputed site members who are willing to take the high road and show proper respect to both Bynum and Kobe. My name is lakeshowsd, not Bynumshowsd, and I support the Lakers as a group first and foremost, and that support takes precedence over any single player on the team. The Lakers are a storied franchise and they're much bigger than any 1 player. We have to remember that fact.


Make a thread for your original comment so all could read it.



He should go ahead and make a thread for his original post, but he should leave my name out of it. I've show proof I'm not blatantly disregarding Kobe. I don't like getting thrown under the bus.
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He should go ahead and make a thread for his original post, but he should leave my name out of it. I've show proof I'm not blatantly disregarding Kobe. I don't like getting thrown under the bus.


You did read the part where I apologized if you were offended, right? What is your problem, lakerdude? Let it go.

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Your right, I talk up Bynum more, because i'm high on him, but to say that I disregard Kobe is false. The things I say about Kobe come up in debates. I don't ever say Kobe sucks or anything close to that. I've been a hard critic of Kobe, because there were times this year that he totally ignored our bigs, and that's been my biggest beef. Drew should get as many attempts as him. That has been my biggest thing all year. I don't like to be called a Kobe hater because I've backed it up from threads and posts before. Just because I rep Drew all the time, you never see me just rip Kobe for nothing.
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If anyone actually reads my posts on this forum, not once have I said Bynum sucks, stinks, should be traded, etc. But, I do say that he is still not complete as a Center, and that he does serve this Laker team best as a defender, more than as a offensive player, considering we have Kobe, Pau, Sessions, etc.

If you read my posts, I constantly praise Bynum for his improvement, and his hustle. But, where some of the "Bynum fans" start taking offense, is when I actually throw actual facts, and detailed anaylsis of Bynum's game, which they turn and throw it back that "kobe" sucks, or whatever they want to discredit Kobe.

Like I said before, I'm a Laker fan, and as a Laker fan, I suppport Kobe, Bynum, Paul, and all the other players on this team. My argument to all the "Bynum" fans are that, Bynum has improved a lot, but still has lots of room for improvement...is that hate? Or is that being real? Bottom line, this is the first time in Bynum's career that he has been an integral part of our offense, and greatness is not measured by one season alone, it is a compilation of seasons and contined hard work. I'm proud that Bynum is developing to a force to be reckon with for years to come, but let's not rush to naming him the best player in the game, or the next coming. Because, that would be a disservice to #17 Mr. Bynum.
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lakerdude,

You are correct. "Blatant disregard" was not the appropriate choice of words to define your treatment of Kobe in these playoffs. You have been critical of Kobe in a minor capacity, but you've said nothing that should be interpreted as blatant disregard. Again, you have my sincere apologies for the false nature of my comments as they applied directly to you. Will that be sufficient?

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lakeshowsd wrote:
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He should go ahead and make a thread for his original post, but he should leave my name out of it. I've show proof I'm not blatantly disregarding Kobe. I don't like getting thrown under the bus.


You did read the part where I apologized if you were offended, right? What is your problem, lakerdude? Let it go.



I'm fine. You don't even need to apologize at all, but I appreciate it. I love your writings, but It really is frustrating when my name is put out there with little merit. Just like when Moy24lakers said I was following you and SPQR as far as being a Bynum fan and that I just wanted to get on your and his good side. I backed it up with all my Drew threads and posts before you 2 were even members. I just don't like my name getting dragged around for something that I don't feel is true. I don't feel that elevating Bynum and debating that with people who elevate Kobe means I disregard him. That's all. It's all good in the hood.


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lakeshowsd wrote:
lakerdude,

You are correct. "Blatant disregard" was not the appropriate choice of words to define your treatment of Kobe in these playoffs. You have been critical of Kobe in a minor capacity, but you've said nothing that should be interpreted as blatant disregard. Again, you have my sincere apologies for the false nature of my comments as they applied directly to you. Will that be sufficient?



I accept, and I apologize if I took it beyond what it was. We're good, and need to stick tight because the Lakers are doing some good things so far. Let's be at peace dude.
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When u say he shoots a lot, is that being a hater?
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