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| mike clown got no cajones to tell everybody on this team to pound it on Drew,,, its really frustrating to see that our guards dont engaged Bynum he is literally at their mercy whether he touches the ball or not.. the reason why he's reluctant to pass the ball when he gets double teamed coz he does not know when he's going to see that ball again, coaching staff has to make these a priorities coz this is getting out of hand or kobe will just keep jackin up, thats why u cant really trust kobe coz if he s having a bad game he's most likely bring the team down with him.. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:19 AM PST
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O.K, but.. Even if Bynum grabbed 18 rebounds , instead of 12, and focused on Mcgee alone and just played with all his effort on that end, the Lakers still need Drew to score. They have to get him the ball. 11 attempts is not good enough, especially when he's converting. The offense was not evolved around him, therefore we jacked up 3's and didn't convert them. If they give Bynum the ball and he got 23 attempts like Kobe, I seriously think we would have won. He was on a mission, and was denied the chance.
That's my bottom line thinking. Even the commentator was saying to give it to Drew. She knew what she was talking about. Didn't you see the focus and fire in his game down the stretch? He looked full of venom and fire. That's just my opinion, but he looked like a superstar that was treated like a role player.
Yeah, the Lakers could have used Bynum's offense in the 1st half. That's for sure. They only got back in the game once they started utilizing Drew to his fullest offensive potential in the 2nd half. |
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| Might be Kobe doesn't enjoy going back to Denver either heh |
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| Drew was surrounded tonight when he decided to try and get position,you cant force the ball to him everytime teams are denying that. Doris Burke was contradicting herself about that on one hand she would say he's not handleling those extra defenders well and then she says they need to keep feeding him well they pretty much did the same thing all night against him. He was most successful on the o boards,to make a long story short we have to make shots from the perimeter to loosen things up down low. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:23 AM PST
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| I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:25 AM PST
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Sizzld wrote:
Drew was surrounded tonight when he decided to try and get position,you cant force the ball to him everytime teams are denying that. Doris Burke was contradicting herself about that on one hand she would say he's not handleling those extra defenders well and then she says they need to keep feeding him well they pretty much did the same thing all night against him. He was most successful on the o boards,to make a long story short we have to make shots from the perimeter to loosen things up down low.
Did you see him when he got doubled? he was getting and ones and was coverting. Why does he get less shots than some of our role players? Just sayin.. When Shaq got 20 attempts we won, why not let Drew do that? |
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Dave wrote:
I think the guys came out too complacent and without enough intensity. Good comeback though, but yeah just fell behind by too much. Next game is going to be huge- you don't want Denver to have any thoughts whatsoever of coming back in this series, so the coup de grace must come Sunday.
Yep! That's the perfect "game in a nutshell" for this one. There's no reason to single anyone out. We just were not ready as a team to match Denver's energy in the 1st half at all. So we got killed on the boards. And the resulting deficit was a lot to ask them to overcome. Guys have to experience the level of intensity that it takes to win on the road in playoffs games. We have guys who are rich in playoffs experience, but we also have guys who have never been in this situation at all.
So that should be a learning experience and hopefully Sunday will be much different or we'll be in a much tougher series than many of us thought. I will say I thought this was probably the first game where we truly missed MWP. The reason I say that is Ebanks seemed a little overwhelmed with his first road playoffs game. I kept hoping that Brown would bring in Matt Barnes a little earlier. Again though, it's a learning experience and I think we can expect better in the future. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:28 AM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
What you just said is the reason why we're not gonna win the chip this year. When we won the title in previous years, you always knew what you were gonna get from the role players. You knew Lamar would contribute something off the bench in a series, you knew what Horry, Fox, and others were gonna give you when the Lakers were winning titles.
I just don't trust Barnes, Blake, and these other dudes off the bench. If we have to get Drew 25 shots just because the bench is unreliable, we have no chance at winning a title. We need these role players to step up and help our stars. 11 shots is not enough for Drew but we shouldn't require him to take 20 just to have a chance to win the game. This is 2 straight games now where the role players have been worthless offensively. Unacceptable. |
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lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
Dude he has an advantage on anybody one on one,but teams are not going to allow that,its the reason he doesn't get more shots. Their gonna take their chances making him commit a turnover or give it up and now their playing a little denial. They realize he's a problem down there. |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
What you just said is the reason why we're not gonna win the chip this year. When we won the title in previous years, you always knew what you were gonna get from the role players. You knew Lamar would contribute something off the bench in a series, you knew what Horry, Fox, and others were gonna give you when the Lakers were winning titles.
I just don't trust Barnes, Blake, and these other dudes off the bench. If we have to get Drew 25 shots just because the bench is unreliable, we have no chance at winning a title. We need these role players to step up and help our stars. 11 shots is not enough for Drew but we shouldn't require him to take 20 just to have a chance to win the game. This is 2 straight games now where the role players have been worthless offensively. Unacceptable.
Agreed, but Shaq got mpore than 11 in the playoffs. He would get 20 at least and we won. 2 dominant players have brought us titles before, why not now? Bynum is more than capable of taking the lead as the best scorer. Give him the ball. He is being way underutilized in my opinion. You can see it in his demeanor and his eyes. He is ready to take us where we need to go. He is being treated like a role player, and that won't fly. He is way beyond that. they need to got to their strengths, and it is he. By the way, when did the role players ever get more attempts than Shaq? I'd say none. Use Drew the same way. That's all I'm asking. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:39 AM PST
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Agreed, but Shaq got mpore than 11 in the playoffs. He would get 20 at least and we won. 2 dominant players have brought us titles before, why not now? Bynum is more than capable of taking the lead as the best scorer. Give him the ball. He is being way underutilized in my opinion. You can see it in his demeanor and his eyes. He is ready to take us where we need to go. He is being treated like a role player, and that won't fly. He is way beyond that. they need to got to their strengths, and it is he.
They treated Bynum like a role player in the 1st half. True. In the 2nd half, they got the big man his touches and he delivered. The problem is that we were in too deep a hole at that point.
Still, Drew has to know that he didn't do a good enough job keeping McGee off the boards. If Denver continues to outrebound the Lakers like this, they're gonna go back to L.A. 2-2.
I'm also really down on Pau tonight. He didn't show up with enough effort or energy on the boards either. He was worse than Drew in that department and the rebounding disparity between Pau and Mannimal was much more embarrassing and unacceptable than the McGee and Bynum rebounding differential.
Pau has been a double-double machine this year and he averaged over 10 boards a game for the regular season. For Mannimal to outrebound Pau 15 to 7 is a f**king joke and Pau should be ashamed of himself. Pau better bring it next game. |
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Sizzld wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
Dude he has an advantage on anybody one on one,but teams are not going to allow that,its the reason he doesn't get more shots. Their gonna take their chances making him commit a turnover or give it up and now their playing a little denial. They realize he's a problem down there.
Did you see him in the 2nd half? He dominated the double team. he is unstoppable. If only they gave him the shots that our role players got down the stretch, I seriously feel we would have won. I stick to that, and we better use him better the rest of the playoffs, or the result could be the same as tonight. |
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lakeshowsd wrote:
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Agreed, but Shaq got mpore than 11 in the playoffs. He would get 20 at least and we won. 2 dominant players have brought us titles before, why not now? Bynum is more than capable of taking the lead as the best scorer. Give him the ball. He is being way underutilized in my opinion. You can see it in his demeanor and his eyes. He is ready to take us where we need to go. He is being treated like a role player, and that won't fly. He is way beyond that. they need to got to their strengths, and it is he.
They treated Bynum like a role player in the 1st half. True. In the 2nd half, they got the big man his touches and he delivered. The problem is that we were in too deep a hole at that point.
Still, Drew has to know that he didn't do a good enough job keeping McGee off the boards. If Denver continues to outrebound the Lakers like this, they're gonna go back to L.A. 2-2.
I'm also really down on Pau tonight. He didn't show up with enough effort or energy on the boards either. He was worse than Drew in that department and the rebounding disparity between Pau and Mannimal was much more embarrassing and unacceptable than the McGee and Bynum rebounding differential.
I aggre with you on the 1st half of the game, but when the 2nd half came and he showed he couldn't be stopped, there was no reason for them to stray from that, yet they did. Like always. |
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| I'm really pissed at the Lakers game plan. If this continues, I may have a breakdown, lol. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 01:47 AM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
I'm really pissed at the Lakers game plan. If this continues, I may have a breakdown, lol.
I'm upset too. There was a lot to dislike about this game. |
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TheSHOEMAKER wrote:
On the bright side, if the Lakers win the next two games then they are only without Artest for one game for the Thunder series
Agrred. I'm not worried that we will lose this series, but we better use our strengths. No more of the 25 3 point games and we will be fine. |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 02:32 AM PST
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The hell happened here?!?!?
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KS_v2 wrote:
The hell happened here?!?!?
When I left, it was 12-12?!?!
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KS_v2 wrote:
The hell happened here?!?!?
When I left, it was 12-12?!?!
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Tailspin wrote:
KS_v2 wrote:
The hell happened here?!?!?
When I left, it was 12-12?!?!
We got worked that is what happened. So bummed, OKC will be well rested for us
Wait a sec........we let them go on a 16-0 RUN?!?!?!?!?!
THE **** WAS OUR D DOING?!?!
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 02:48 AM PST
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thatguyoverthere wrote:
KS_v2 wrote:
The hell happened here?!?!?
When I left, it was 12-12?!?!
Ty Lawson and shots not falling happened.
Okay......I just looked at the boxscore.
We were outscored by 10 points in the 4th quarter after we pummeled them in Q3???? Did we not have energy or were Denver just that clinical?
Was it Kobe's hero shots? And can anyone explain why Kobe took 10 shots from 3 point territory and not go to the post. Were many of them at the end of the game to try and get a run going or did they just destroy any hope Lakers had? Didn't Pau and Bynum gain good post positions or did Denver cover up the passing lanes securely???
And how were we outrebounded by Denver??? Who was defending McGee exactly???
Finally, was Kobe defended by only one guy or had traps etc. come his way???? Karl said he'd be more interested with the bigs and not Kobe but looking at Kobe's statline, there's no way he'd be that bad unless it was a very bad shooting night for him or good D by denver....which one was it? |
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KS_v2 wrote:
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KS_v2 wrote:
The hell happened here?!?!?
When I left, it was 12-12?!?!
Ty Lawson and shots not falling happened.
Okay......I just looked at the boxscore.
We were outscored by 10 points in the 4th quarter after we pummeled them in Q3???? Did we not have energy or were Denver just that clinical?
Was it Kobe's hero shots? And can anyone explain why Kobe took 10 shots from 3 point territory and not go to the post. Were many of them at the end of the game to try and get a run going or did they just destroy any hope Lakers had? Didn't Pau and Bynum gain good post positions or did Denver cover up the passing lanes securely???
And how were we outrebounded by Denver??? Who was defending McGee exactly???
Finally, was Kobe defended by only one guy or had traps etc. come his way???? Karl said he'd be more interested with the bigs and not Kobe but looking at Kobe's statline, there's no way he'd be that bad unless it was a very bad shooting night for him or good D by denver....which one was it?
I can explain Kobe's 10 threes. They forgot to give it to the hot hand, which was Drew. He scored 18 in the 2nd half and the last 5 minutes they ignored him, and that was the game. Bynum was kicking their a$$, and the Lakers decided to shoot 3's from there on out. Game over. |
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lakerdude wrote:
I can explain Kobe's 10 threes. They forgot to give it to the hot hand, which was Drew. He scored 18 in the 2nd half and the last 5 minutes they ignored him, and that was the game. Bynum was kicking their a$$, and the Lakers decided to shoot 3's from there on out. Game over.
So he did get into good positions then? Now I'm confused.
And I just looked at shot charts, it shows Denver got 24 shots up and LAL only 14 in Q4????
Bynum had zero shot attempts in Q4?(!)
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Wait a sec........
Kobe took 3 3s to beat the buzzer and 1 incosequential one when 40 seconds were left in Q4 and LAL was down big.
6 3s are still too many for my taste though.
Bynum didn't get any shot attempts in Q4. I'm surprised there. Also, Denver put up 8 more FGA than LAL in Q4 and outrebounded us.
And from the looks of things on the shot chart, looks like thatguyoverthere was right. Shots simply didn't fall from the perimeter and LAL started playing a bit too late.
That does make me feel better though. Looks like most of our problems were caused by our lack of effort and sharpness and not some sets that we simply couldn't defend. Just one last query, what happened to Ebanks? |
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KS_v2 wrote:
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I can explain Kobe's 10 threes. They forgot to give it to the hot hand, which was Drew. He scored 18 in the 2nd half and the last 5 minutes they ignored him, and that was the game. Bynum was kicking their a$$, and the Lakers decided to shoot 3's from there on out. Game over.
So he did get into good positions then? Now I'm confused.
And I just looked at shot charts, it shows Denver got 24 shots up and LAL only 14 in Q4????
Bynum had zero shot attempts in Q4?(!)
You have to watch the replay. Drew was scoring at will, and they went away from him and settled for jumpers, and of course they missed. Bynum controlled the second half. Watch the replay dude. You will see. The Lakers blew it.
And what happened to Ebanks?? He played only 12 minutes?
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lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
LMAO, Every time Andrew got the ball he was doubled right away and he looked lost. He did not know how to play the two defenders EVEN ended up on the floor turning the ball over several times. I really felt for poor Andrew, he looked lost most of the time. He should concentrate on rebounding and defense, blocking shots that way he will not look so bad. You have all these commentators now making fun of him that he could never be a franchise player.
Andrew got many touches but he was always out of position. Too far from the basket. He needs to push some of them big boys they threw at him like Mckee and Mosgov and create his own shot. He made Mcgee look like a super star last night.
I hope Andrew snaps out of this funk because he simply is not helping the team. I thought he was also going to get ejected off the game when he blew his cork at the ref. I mean Andrew was correct that it was goal tending, but still you can not blow up like that.
I think the Lakers purposely tanked this game to give MwP a better chance of being available for the Thunder. Lakers will definitely need him for that series if the Lakers get past the Nuggets. |
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Axle wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
LMAO, Every time Andrew got the ball he was doubled right away and he looked lost. He did not know how to play the two defenders EVEN ended up on the floor turning the ball over several times. I really felt for poor Andrew, he looked lost most of the time. He should concentrate on rebounding and defense, blocking shots that way he will not look so bad. You have all these commentators now making fun of him that he could never be a franchise player.
Andrew got many touches but he was always out of position. Too far from the basket. He needs to push some of them big boys they threw at him like Mckee and Mosgov and create his own shot. He made Mcgee look like a super star last night.
I hope Andrew snaps out of this funk because he simply is not helping the team. I thought he was also going to get ejected off the game when he blew his cork at the ref. I mean Andrew was correct that it was goal tending, but still you can not blow up like that.
I think the Lakers purposely tanked this game to give MwP a better chance of being available for the Thunder. Lakers will definitely need him for that series if the Lakers get past the Nuggets.
He turned the ball over several times? He had 2 turnovers all night, and had zero the last game. Kobe had 5 turnovers tonight. Please explain your "several turnover" quote when it's not true? Are we going to start lying now on players we don't like? You also say Bynum isn't helping the team. That's crazy because he had 18 points in the 2nd half and Kobe had 4, maybe 6?
You have to be kidding with your post, otherwise I would call you out for being a liar. 2 turnovers is not several the last time I checked. Are you going to start lies about Bynum now? Can we start lying on this forum from now on to make our point. That's cool, the next time Kobe scores 30, I'll say he only scored 10. I can lie too.
Another line of yours that is strange is that you said you felt bad for Andrew. He looked like he was lost. That's a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. How lost did he look when he scored 18 and grabbed 7 boards in the second half? If that's being lost, I don't ever want this dude to be found. 18 and 7 is a good game for some, and he did it in one half. That is not lost dude, that's found.
If Bynum was lost, then what was Kobe when he kept missing in the 2nd half? He only had 6 points that half, how is that going to get it done? When the game is on the line and he can't score, that means we should get the ball to Bynum, the dude that was taking over the game. The bottom line is that when the game was on the line and we needed to bring us back into it, Bynum showed up and Kobe didn't. |
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lakerdude wrote:
Sizzld wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
Dude he has an advantage on anybody one on one,but teams are not going to allow that,its the reason he doesn't get more shots. Their gonna take their chances making him commit a turnover or give it up and now their playing a little denial. They realize he's a problem down there.
Did you see him in the 2nd half? He dominated the double team. he is unstoppable. If only they gave him the shots that our role players got down the stretch, I seriously feel we would have won. I stick to that, and we better use him better the rest of the playoffs, or the result could be the same as tonight.
really it wasnt the same second half i watched! i saw bynum score well early in the 3rd, off them not doubling as hard and bynum got us back in the game, but then in 3 plays when it got down to 4 points, he got us right back out of the game because he couldnt handle a double team to save his life!! and that is the difference major difference between bynum and shaq and why shaq got 20 shots no matter what! also shaq was so much more dominant bynum struggles sometimes and gets pushed around by one player, that was something that never happened to shaq not even big country could push shaq around!! bynum is talented but u need to stop compairing him to shaq because is is the most dominant center in history!! and their basketball styles are completely different!! shaq was raw power and nice finesse for his size, bynum is a lot more finesse and a lot less power...... |
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lakerdude wrote:
Axle wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
LMAO, Every time Andrew got the ball he was doubled right away and he looked lost. He did not know how to play the two defenders EVEN ended up on the floor turning the ball over several times. I really felt for poor Andrew, he looked lost most of the time. He should concentrate on rebounding and defense, blocking shots that way he will not look so bad. You have all these commentators now making fun of him that he could never be a franchise player.
Andrew got many touches but he was always out of position. Too far from the basket. He needs to push some of them big boys they threw at him like Mckee and Mosgov and create his own shot. He made Mcgee look like a super star last night.
I hope Andrew snaps out of this funk because he simply is not helping the team. I thought he was also going to get ejected off the game when he blew his cork at the ref. I mean Andrew was correct that it was goal tending, but still you can not blow up like that.
I think the Lakers purposely tanked this game to give MwP a better chance of being available for the Thunder. Lakers will definitely need him for that series if the Lakers get past the Nuggets.
He turned the ball over several times? He had 2 turnovers all night, and had zero the last game. Kobe had 5 turnovers tonight. Please explain your "several turnover" quote when it's not true? Are we going to start lying now on players we don't like? You also say Bynum isn't helping the team. That's crazy because he had 18 points in the 2nd half and Kobe had 4, maybe 6?
You have to be kidding with your post, otherwise I would call you out for being a liar. 2 turnovers is not several the last time I checked. Are you going to start lies about Bynum now? Can we start lying on this forum from now on to make our point. That's cool, the next time Kobe scores 30, I'll say he only scored 10. I can lie too.
Another line of yours that is strange is that you said you felt bad for Andrew. He looked like he was lost. That's a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. How lost did he look when he scored 18 and grabbed 7 boards in the second half? If that's being lost, I don't ever want this dude to be found. 18 and 7 is a good game for some, and he did it in one half. That is not lost dude, that's found.
lost may be a bit too harsh, but he definitely didnt look comfortable! he doesnt know how to handle double teams at all, but also dont think he is solely at fault if he is being doubled someone need to cut to the basket hard and they'll be wide open. im not sure bynum at this point is a good enough passer to make that play but at least give him a chance, its better then him being left on "double team island" and just kicking it out to the guard above him because when that happens it makes the advantage we could have when they double, useless! |
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What are you talking about? His only 2 turnovers all night? If your crying about that and not praising his 18 points and 7 boards in the second half to Kobe's 6 points, then I don't get you. Kobe had 5 turnovers to Drews 2. Kobe got 22 points on 23 attempts and Bynum got 18 on 11.
Bynum was making those guys look like rag dolls in the 2nd half. They would try to stop him from scoring and he just pushed them off like they were nothing and getting and ones.. If your going to knock anybody, knock Kobe for his 7 for 23 shooting. He shot us out of the game. If Drew had Kobe's 23 shots and Kobe had his 11, we would be celebrating right now. |
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Bynum let momma's boy Javale Mcgee out play him. smh
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SourceCode wrote:
PurpleKnight wrote:
Bynum let momma's boy Javale Mcgee out play him. smh
that's what i'm saying, smh
If Drew let this dude outplay him, which I still laugh at, then what did Kobe do? He could only put up 6 points in the second half. I guess he got outplayed by the weak a$$ Nuggets secondary. How pathetic is that? |
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 12:49 PM PST
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lakerdude wrote:
Axle wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
I may seem like a broken record, but just for once let Drew get more shots than anyone else and let's see what happens. 18 on 11 attempts is pretty good. Imagine if he got 20 attempts. He may have scored 35. He was fired up tonight and ready to take over. Let's give him the chance and see what happens. I'd rather him get the shots that our role players got. That's just me.
LMAO, Every time Andrew got the ball he was doubled right away and he looked lost. He did not know how to play the two defenders EVEN ended up on the floor turning the ball over several times. I really felt for poor Andrew, he looked lost most of the time. He should concentrate on rebounding and defense, blocking shots that way he will not look so bad. You have all these commentators now making fun of him that he could never be a franchise player.
You are absolutely correct, he finally decided to get into the scoring mode in the second half. So does that mean he was throwing the game in the first half? Because he scored zero in the first half. I guess Kobe had to chew his butt at the half to get him motivated.
I like Andrew and all that, but I sure don't like when he does not try. Even if he was doubled and could not score, he should play defense, rebound and be intimidating on the defense. Kobe kept passing him the ball over and over and he would kick the ball right back, so Kobe was forced to take the shot because the clock was winding down.
I will repeat again, that I am a Bynum supporter, but I like the Bynum that plays hard, not the by polar AB. You never know what you are going to get out of him. And I will criticize Kobe also if I see he is not trying. ONly thing is Kobe always tries, but on this last game against the Nuggets he didn't have any help, so by the end of the third he was worn out. If we are going to win this thing, they got to play as a team and everybody has to give 100%.
"We can afford to lose that one game, but NO MAS!
Andrew got many touches but he was always out of position. Too far from the basket. He needs to push some of them big boys they threw at him like Mckee and Mosgov and create his own shot. He made Mcgee look like a super star last night.
I hope Andrew snaps out of this funk because he simply is not helping the team. I thought he was also going to get ejected off the game when he blew his cork at the ref. I mean Andrew was correct that it was goal tending, but still you can not blow up like that.
I think the Lakers purposely tanked this game to give MwP a better chance of being available for the Thunder. Lakers will definitely need him for that series if the Lakers get past the Nuggets.
He turned the ball over several times? He had 2 turnovers all night, and had zero the last game. Kobe had 5 turnovers tonight. Please explain your "several turnover" quote when it's not true? Are we going to start lying now on players we don't like? You also say Bynum isn't helping the team. That's crazy because he had 18 points in the 2nd half and Kobe had 4, maybe 6?
You have to be kidding with your post, otherwise I would call you out for being a liar. 2 turnovers is not several the last time I checked. Are you going to start lies about Bynum now? Can we start lying on this forum from now on to make our point. That's cool, the next time Kobe scores 30, I'll say he only scored 10. I can lie too.
Another line of yours that is strange is that you said you felt bad for Andrew. He looked like he was lost. That's a blatant misrepresentation of the truth. How lost did he look when he scored 18 and grabbed 7 boards in the second half? If that's being lost, I don't ever want this dude to be found. 18 and 7 is a good game for some, and he did it in one half. That is not lost dude, that's found.
If Bynum was lost, then what was Kobe when he kept missing in the 2nd half? He only had 6 points that half, how is that going to get it done? When the game is on the line and he can't score, that means we should get the ball to Bynum, the dude that was taking over the game. The bottom line is that when the game was on the line and we needed to bring us back into it, Bynum showed up and Kobe didn't.
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Posted: May 05, 2012 - 12:52 PM PST
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Axle? I don't know where your post begins or where it ends. Please do your post over. Mine is on the bottom, and yours is in the middle somewhere, it should be the opposite.
If not, then I'll just reply to what I can see. You are talking crazy. Last night you were all fired up saying Drew was going to come out on fire in the 2nd half, and when he did, you call him out on it? If you are going to seriously say that you think Drew threw the game in the 1st half, then you better come out and say that Kobe threw the 2nd. Where the heck was this dude in the 2nd half when we needed him? Jacking up missed 3's and scoring 6 points in the 2nd half sounds like throwing the game to me. Drew only got 3 attempts the 1st half. He was demanding the ball and they didn't pass it to him. What do you want him to do, knock Sessions and Kobe over when they have the ball and steal it? A center can only get the ball if he is passed the ball. |
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lakerdude wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
PurpleKnight wrote:
Bynum let momma's boy Javale Mcgee out play him. smh
that's what i'm saying, smh
If Drew let this dude outplay him, which I still laugh at, then what did Kobe do? He could only put up 6 points in the second half. I guess he got outplayed by the weak a$$ Nuggets secondary. How pathetic is that?
My friend, do you really think that Kobephiles are bashing on Bynum or what?
Most of LTB members are pointing out Bynum been outplayed by McGee because that was what they watched. Theres no reason to compare to Kobe. If you didnt like the way Kobe played, well point it out, but dont mention Kobe as an excuse for what Bynum did.
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lakerdude wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
PurpleKnight wrote:
Bynum let momma's boy Javale Mcgee out play him. smh
that's what i'm saying, smh
If Drew let this dude outplay him, which I still laugh at, then what did Kobe do? He could only put up 6 points in the second half. I guess he got outplayed by the weak a$$ Nuggets secondary. How pathetic is that?
You see you keep on bringing back into the post, when we are discussing Andrew, NOT KOBE. Kobe didn't hardly shoot because he kept passing the ball to Andrew to try and get him motivated instead of pouting all night. This guy is strange to me at times, and like reports said, you never know which Bynum is going to show up. He is a big discussion on espn as to whether he really is a franchise player. Many seem to agree with me that he is not consistent and that is why the Lakers will not win a championship this year. They were also laughing that some think he is better then Howard. They all said he has a long way to go to be even in the same level as Howard.
So it is not just me that thought Bynum was sprayed with Krytoniite last night, until Kobe chewed his azz away. |
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I haven't checked, but if you say you don't see anyone praising Kobe, then why aren't there some bashing him? If people here don't praise Bynum, that's fine, wrong to me, but fine, but if people are going to bash him, they better bash Kobe too. Do you see a lot of Kobe bashing here, or Bynum bashing? |
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He kept passing it to Bynum? That's hilarious. Besides, the couple times he passed it to Drew he scored. Maybe Kobe realized that getting Bynum only 3 shots in the 1st half and getting their a$$ kicked wasn't working. They finally started getting Drew the ball in the 2nd half and what do you know, we started getting back in the game. After he brought us back in the game, Kobe and others went away from him and started shooting and bricking 3's and their outside jumpers. Like I said before, Bynum will never get the ball unless it's passed to him. He's not a guard. If the Lakers went through him from the get go we would have won. 7 for 23 from Kobe isn't going to cut it. |
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lakerdude wrote:
SourceCode wrote:
PurpleKnight wrote:
Bynum let momma's boy Javale Mcgee out play him. smh
that's what i'm saying, smh
If Drew let this dude outplay him, which I still laugh at, then what did Kobe do? He could only put up 6 points in the second half. I guess he got outplayed by the weak a$$ Nuggets secondary. How pathetic is that?
I laughed at mcgee outplaying bynum too last night. speaking about kobe, I did like his effort and energy, but wore out later down the stretch vs bynum played more effortless and uninspired last night, granted, he did step it up in the 2nd half. still didn't put forth effort on the defensive end nor rebounding.. but the team played terrible; there were players that played better than others, but overall, the TEAM played terrible, as well as mike brown's coaching and denver played better; they deserved the win. |
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SourceCode;
He got a team high 12 boards and he blocked 2 shot. You act as if he got 5 boards and no blocks. 12 boards is nothing to sneeze at dude. The reason Kobe tired out is because he didn't pass it to Drew. If he would have given him the ball more in the 1st have, we would be loving each other right now because we would have won. |
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Lakerdude: It does no good to try and carry a legitimate discussion about Andrew last night because you just keep jumping back to Kobe.
I will try one more time to try and explain to you that I am a Laker fan and Bynum is a big part of the Lakers. So I am not just criticizing Bynum for not giving any effort like I know he can do in the first half, but Kobe was frustrated with his team being bounce around by Mcgee and Lawson.
I can tell you right now that it will take better playing by Bynum if we are going to win this. He is better then what he showed last night and you know that, but you are in denial. You keep saying he does not get enough touches, and you are wrong. He got touches when he would position himself to recieve the ball, but most of the time he was being pushed around by Mckee and even Faried. So if you want to continue beliving that it was Bynums best effort, then I am wasting my time trying to figure out what his problem is. I will discontinue my correspondence with you right now. You and MSDS are impossible to discuss anything. At least lakeshowsd and I have an understanding and he is a brilliant writer, but you and MSDS??????????? |
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lakerdude wrote:
KLakers:
I haven't checked, but if you say you don't see anyone praising Kobe, then why aren't there some bashing him? If people here don't praise Bynum, that's fine, wrong to me, but fine, but if people are going to bash him, they better bash Kobe too. Do you see a lot of Kobe bashing here, or Bynum bashing?
Alright if you said so.
Kobe did a poor job on the second half, letting those nuggets scrubs forcing him to turn it over so many times, hadnt make a single points for about 12mins of game time. |
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Axle wrote:
Lakerdude: It does no good to try and carry a legitimate discussion about Andrew last night because you just keep jumping back to Kobe.
I will try one more time to try and explain to you that I am a Laker fan and Bynum is a big part of the Lakers. So I am not just criticizing Bynum for not giving any effort like I know he can do in the first half, but Kobe was frustrated with his team being bounce around by Mcgee and Lawson.
I can tell you right now that it will take better playing by Bynum if we are going to win this. He is better then what he showed last night and you know that, but you are in denial. You keep saying he does not get enough touches, and you are wrong. He got touches when he would position himself to recieve the ball, but most of the time he was being pushed around by Mckee and even Faried. So if you want to continue beliving that it was Bynums best effort, then I am wasting my time trying to figure out what his problem is. I will discontinue my correspondence with you right now. You and MSDS are impossible to discuss anything. At least lakeshowsd and I have an understanding and he is a brilliant writer, but you and MSDS???????????
You keep saying I'm jumping back to Kobe, yet you keep jumping back to Bynum. Where was Kobe in the second half? Bynum was there, where was Kobe? |
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KLakers wrote:
lakerdude wrote:
KLakers:
I haven't checked, but if you say you don't see anyone praising Kobe, then why aren't there some bashing him? If people here don't praise Bynum, that's fine, wrong to me, but fine, but if people are going to bash him, they better bash Kobe too. Do you see a lot of Kobe bashing here, or Bynum bashing?
Alright if you said so.
Kobe did a poor job on the second half, letting those nuggets scrubs forcing him to turn it over so many times, hadnt make a single points for about 12mins of game time.
That's all I wanted to hear. I was just wondering why you guys were going after Drew and giving Kobe a pass. I'm glad you pointed his failures out too. |
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