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Post subject: WEST'S 4th: UP FOR GRABS ?
Posted: Aug 22, 2007 - 10:08 AM PST
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All eyes will be on Team USA as they journey once more to the depths of the international tourney. Best of Luck to the guys... With Kidd and Kobe, its a wrap. Also, I'd like to extend my condolences to Eddie Griffin and his family. Godspeed on his soul.
I have reason to believe that the West's 4th seed is up for grabs. Looking at the landscape, 3 teams clearly stand out as the elite - San Antonio, Phoenix and Dallas. Regardless of how the records pan out (the Spurs tend to relax a bit on the regular season, saving the veterans for the playoffs), these 3 are clearly a notch above the rest of the field. It would be safe to assume that these 3 will fill up 3 of the top 4 slots of the West.
Phoenix - will be thinner and a step slower this year, but they will add more experience to this winning crew. Many fans believe that the Suns were actually a hip-check away from the real thing - clearly beating the Cavs given the chance. They will sport the same core in Nash, Amare, Marion and Bell but will be having a new 3 in Grant Hill in lieu of James Jones. They lose athleticism but gain experience and playmaking. They will also be missing the services of veteran Kurt Thomas at center, making them a little smaller. But I still think (barring injuries) they will get the West's best record.
Dallas - has almost the same team from last year. They have limited resources in improving but they are, nevertheless, still a very good team. Expect this group to either be a wiser team or to self-destruct mid-season. With Avery manning the rudder, self-destructing mid-season could mean a mid-season trade. There is simply little room for error for the reigning MVP and league's best team coming from that sorry loss to Golden State last season. If they do the latter, you heard it here first.
San Antonio - is slowly incorporating their youth movement. Re-signing Matt Bonner did not make sense for me, but inking Ime Udoka sends a signal that Bowen's alter ego is in the making. They are simply waiting for those young players that fall out of the rotation and pounce on the opportunity. Not only is RC Buford extremely lucky, he is extremely good. Aside from the little details, they are still the reigning Champs. That says everything.
Houston - is having a new coach, 2 new shoot-first PGs and drafted another PG in Aaron Brooks. Other teams are already predicting a Tmac-led never-out-of-the-1st-round team to be winning the West, (ha, wtf?), they will still be a good team. At this point, I am not sure they are a lock as the West's 4th seed. I simply do not understand how a team works with 9 guards and running short of big men. I think the Rockets are not done wheeling and dealing. I wish they would just trade us Alston and Battier for Kwame and Cook...
Utah - will be missing the services of Mr 0.4. But more experienced Deron Williams will always count for much, and a Sloan-led will always be a good team. I don't like their guts enough, but I always respect the value of discipline and execution. They could make a run at the 4th seed.
Denver - will be a little more comfortable with the idea of AI and Melo together. After all, they won't be treading tax territory for nothing. With an improving Nene, a healthy KMart and the reigning DPOY on board, I say they are good enough to be West's 5th.
Ahhh my Lakers. This has been said many times over, but I will say it again - the Lakers are only marginally better than last year. They need that bolt of energy somewhere to bolster them to contention. At this point, they have to ride on sheer motivation to be good but it can only get us too far. I think the role players should step up and prove that this team has what it takes. This is the right way to go. Otherwise, just make that freaking JO trade already. We ask the questions later.
Are we good enough to be West's 4th? Possibly. Only 3 teams are a lock. Houston has a recipe for disaster waiting in the wings and Dallas could very well self-destruct. Utah has taken a step back a little and only Denver has actually improved. But with an impending salary-reduction on mind, Denver could lose some key names. Only the Lakers have literally "added" and not taken a step back. But we could self-destruct as well. If such a meltdown happens, expect an LO + AB = JO trade happening. |
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Posted: Aug 22, 2007 - 12:08 PM PST
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I think you are underestimating the Rockets. They had a coaching change (Adelman for Van Gundy) which will help them more then you think. Last year, this team should have beaten the Jazz but they fell short in 7 games. Remember, Yao Ming was being considered an MVP before he got hurt last year.
You mentioned that the 4th spot is up for grabs, but realisticaly every single spot is. I think injuries will dictate the standings eventually, here's how my outlook would be:
1 Spurs - After such a dominating playoffs, I don't think they will start slow this year. 64W
2 Mavs - They still have a pretty deep team and their chemistry will be their. I rather think that Golden State caught fire rather then the Mavs choking. 62W
3 Suns - Nash is so very important to them and the slightest decline will hurt this team. For 3 straight years he has peaked and I wouldn't predict a 4th straight year given his age and back problems. 60W
4 Jazz - They have solid depth from point to center and if AK snaps out of his funk, then they could be a lock for at least 4th. 56W
5 Rockets - T Mac and Ming are undependable when it comes to health but I think they have a bunch of guys who can score now and their coach helps too. 54 W
6 Nuggets - Melo will be great, Iverson might decline a bit, but I don't think this team has the dicipline to be better then the teams above. 52 W
7 Lakers - They have really good depth from point to center which hopefully will be usefull during a long season, plus Kobe won't allow them to miss the playoffs. 45 W
8 Grizzlies - I think they have a really young solid starting lineup with 2 players in their prime in Gassol and Miller and other young star quality players like Conley, Gay, Warrick, and Milicic helping them out. 44 W
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Hornets - Most likely to leap in the playoff picture as long as they get a healthy year out of CP3. 42 W
Warriors - I see last year being a fluke, I think they will resort back to the old ways. 39 W |
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Posted: Aug 22, 2007 - 12:21 PM PST
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poppintags08 wrote:
I think you are underestimating the Rockets. They had a coaching change (Adelman for Van Gundy) which will help them more then you think. Last year, this team should have beaten the Jazz but they fell short in 7 games. Remember, Yao Ming was being considered an MVP before he got hurt last year.
You mentioned that the 4th spot is up for grabs, but realisticaly every single spot is. I think injuries will dictate the standings eventually, here's how my outlook would be:
1 Spurs - After such a dominating playoffs, I don't think they will start slow this year. 64W
2 Mavs - They still have a pretty deep team and their chemistry will be their. I rather think that Golden State caught fire rather then the Mavs choking. 62W
3 Suns - Nash is so very important to them and the slightest decline will hurt this team. For 3 straight years he has peaked and I wouldn't predict a 4th straight year given his age and back problems. 60W
4 Jazz - They have solid depth from point to center and if AK snaps out of his funk, then they could be a lock for at least 4th. 56W
5 Rockets - T Mac and Ming are undependable when it comes to health but I think they have a bunch of guys who can score now and their coach helps too. 54 W
6 Nuggets - Melo will be great, Iverson might decline a bit, but I don't think this team has the dicipline to be better then the teams above. 52 W
7 Lakers - They have really good depth from point to center which hopefully will be usefull during a long season, plus Kobe won't allow them to miss the playoffs. 45 W
8 Grizzlies - I think they have a really young solid starting lineup with 2 players in their prime in Gassol and Miller and other young star quality players like Conley, Gay, Warrick, and Milicic helping them out. 44 W
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Hornets - Most likely to leap in the playoff picture as long as they get a healthy year out of CP3. 42 W
Warriors - I see last year being a fluke, I think they will resort back to the old ways. 39 W
actually, i have to disagree here. The spurs will NEVER WIN 64 games. They are one year older. Barry, bowen, duncan, finley, horry will be much slower. Duncan will be 32 and his numbers will slow down. 57 wins at best. And for the suns, its the same. Nash will be 35 so he will slow down to 16 and 10. Marion will be 32. The highest they can get is 60 games.
As for dallas, if they swept GS in the season, they would have been a 70-12 team. One year older, they also add veteran leadership in eddie jones so they just get better. Nowitzki is still young and so it terry. Expect 64 W's.
Grizzlies in ur top 8?!?!? Nah. They will be around 32-50. I think the 8th spot should be either the warriors (jackson and harrington will play one full year under nellie). Remember, those 2 came during the deadline which is when the started to pick up the W's. Monta ellis will be much better so expect a 43-39 and the final eighth spot as u said.
And of course our lakers. Kobe might push Jkidd to LA considering the team USA experience. If the lakers stay with this team and stay healthy all season long, 47-35.
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 02:07 AM PST
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The Spurs will not be on pace to win 60 games but they will still be the team to beat. If they manage the 3rd seed, the #2 seed will be in trouble.
I am putting the MAVS in the top 3 yet I will be providing for an allowance in case they choke. They did it in 06 Finals as well. Must say something about Dirk...
Houston will be good but not good enough to lock the 4th seed. Their team is a JVG-made team. The role players will have to fight for PT under offensive Adelman. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 05:39 AM PST
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All I say is rankings don't matter. The team that plays the best in the playoffs will be the champs.
Dallas will choke again. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 04:04 PM PST
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LakerFanatik wrote:
All I say is rankings don't matter. The team that plays the best in the playoffs will be the champs.
Dallas will choke again.
rankings do matter; the team that has the greatest advantage has the better chance of playing well in the playoffs. Home court advantage allows your crowd to pick you up more so if you are going through tough times whereas if you're away you have to rely strictly on your teammates passion to pick you up. so rankings do have a good effect on advantage. that being said my rankings of the west by record and not with the division projection stands as...
1.) Dallas- Dallas will want to come out the gates proving that they are better than a first tound exit and that motivation will get them a good record. too bad they will not win the Championship seeing as though they have no clutch superstar to get them through tough games; Dirk has showed that time and again that he lacks that ability... 62 wins
2.) San Antonio- They try to make a push for division leader in a race with Dallas towards the end but fall short. but being that their players are well rested from the summer and have much depth they grab the second best record... 59 wins
3.) Denver- I think the chemistry will be there this year. their post defense is probably the best in the league. they will have Nene being a force on the block and Kenyon brings another scoring deminsion... 58 wins
4.) Phoenix- same record as Denver but Denver wins the tie breaker from claiming the season series. Phoenix will probably start out really hot this comming year. but with Nash aging and with Barbosa and Stoudamire both in international competition their legs will begin to tire as the season progresses especially because of their high pace offense. then counting in the small break from playoffs to international play. they will start to break down after the 20 game mark and then pick their play back up after the All-Star break...58 wins
5.) Utah- with the progresion of Deron Williams they will be more efficient as a team. AK47 will find his role after last years struggle and will also have more touches now that Fish is gone from the team. This team improves from last years because of the improvements of their younger guys like Paul Milsap and and their other younger players...56 wins
6.) Houston- Though they have added some big names to their guard position and have seemed to improve the guys they've added are all isolation scorers. their main guy in Tracy McGrady is also an Isolation scorer. The many guards calling for playing time also stunts the growth of Luther Head. This team looks good on a videogame but in real life are either a 6th or 7th seed, depending on the team behing them. They haven't a great player at the PF position thus making it easier to get Yao Ming in foul trouble. This team may be one that sees a lot of bickering and complaining to the media about playing time and scoring opportunities. they will self implode... 49 wins
7.) LA Lakers- What more can be said they have improve some but not enough to content for a top spot. they have a great player in Kobe who will do this year what he started out doing last year, distribute the ball more. Kobe will be a little quicker this year and will as a result be more fluid allowing him to get more steals and also to split more double teams. Lamar has something to prove and will start this year like last year and will give out All-Star numbers but due to lack of popularity may not make it in. He will put out 19pts 10rebs 4.5asts, which is around what he was getting before he went down last year. Bynum though angry at Kobe's words will channel that aggresion and harness it to put up good starting center numbers: averaging 14pts 9rebs 1.8blks. The bench will be improved and the point guard position is stable. the lakers depending on injuries to both them and Houston will get to the 6th or 7th spot... 48 wins
8.) NO- Chris Paul is going to come out more improved then last year. they've added another offensive option in Mo Pete and let's not forget before Paul went out with an injury last year they were in the 8th spot. They have Tyson Chandler, Peja, and Desmond Mason. They are an athletic bunch that also has some good shooters. Paul will be able to get this team into the playoffs through proper court management and team efficiancy... 43 wins
9.) Wild Cards- The wild cards seem to be three teams in my opinion. you have Memphis who seem to have a playoff team but they have very little experience. Golden State has Baron Davis but lets not forget he is possibly the most injury prone star in the league and their small ball may be put to the test with the improvement of big men and big guards in the league and in the west. My other team may come as a surprise, they are the Kings of Queens from Sac Town. They have two experienced veterans in Artest and Bibby and with a young guy in Kevin Martin who improves with each year. They have a solid big man in Brad Miller. They can do some things and if they get their mood rings on the right color they can get themselves into the playoffs. But one thing all these wild cards for the 8th spot have in common is IF they all may be able to be successful IF they can get something together. They will all finish in the race with around 39-44 wins. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 09:52 PM PST
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Diamondbull wrote:
rankings do matter; the team that has the greatest advantage has the better chance of playing well in the playoffs. Home court advantage allows your crowd to pick you up more so if you are going through tough times whereas if you're away you have to rely strictly on your teammates passion to pick you up. so rankings do have a good effect on advantage. that being said my rankings of the west by record and not with the division projection stands as...
1.) Dallas- Dallas will want to come out the gates proving that they are better than a first tound exit and that motivation will get them a good record. too bad they will not win the Championship seeing as though they have no clutch superstar to get them through tough games; Dirk has showed that time and again that he lacks that ability... 62 wins
2.) San Antonio- They try to make a push for division leader in a race with Dallas towards the end but fall short. but being that their players are well rested from the summer and have much depth they grab the second best record... 59 wins
3.) Denver- I think the chemistry will be there this year. their post defense is probably the best in the league. they will have Nene being a force on the block and Kenyon brings another scoring deminsion... 58 wins
4.) Phoenix- same record as Denver but Denver wins the tie breaker from claiming the season series. Phoenix will probably start out really hot this comming year. but with Nash aging and with Barbosa and Stoudamire both in international competition their legs will begin to tire as the season progresses especially because of their high pace offense. then counting in the small break from playoffs to international play. they will start to break down after the 20 game mark and then pick their play back up after the All-Star break...58 wins
5.) Utah- with the progresion of Deron Williams they will be more efficient as a team. AK47 will find his role after last years struggle and will also have more touches now that Fish is gone from the team. This team improves from last years because of the improvements of their younger guys like Paul Milsap and and their other younger players...56 wins
6.) Houston- Though they have added some big names to their guard position and have seemed to improve the guys they've added are all isolation scorers. their main guy in Tracy McGrady is also an Isolation scorer. The many guards calling for playing time also stunts the growth of Luther Head. This team looks good on a videogame but in real life are either a 6th or 7th seed, depending on the team behing them. They haven't a great player at the PF position thus making it easier to get Yao Ming in foul trouble. This team may be one that sees a lot of bickering and complaining to the media about playing time and scoring opportunities. they will self implode... 49 wins
7.) LA Lakers- What more can be said they have improve some but not enough to content for a top spot. they have a great player in Kobe who will do this year what he started out doing last year, distribute the ball more. Kobe will be a little quicker this year and will as a result be more fluid allowing him to get more steals and also to split more double teams. Lamar has something to prove and will start this year like last year and will give out All-Star numbers but due to lack of popularity may not make it in. He will put out 19pts 10rebs 4.5asts, which is around what he was getting before he went down last year. Bynum though angry at Kobe's words will channel that aggresion and harness it to put up good starting center numbers: averaging 14pts 9rebs 1.8blks. The bench will be improved and the point guard position is stable. the lakers depending on injuries to both them and Houston will get to the 6th or 7th spot... 48 wins
8.) NO- Chris Paul is going to come out more improved then last year. they've added another offensive option in Mo Pete and let's not forget before Paul went out with an injury last year they were in the 8th spot. They have Tyson Chandler, Peja, and Desmond Mason. They are an athletic bunch that also has some good shooters. Paul will be able to get this team into the playoffs through proper court management and team efficiancy... 43 wins
9.) Wild Cards- The wild cards seem to be three teams in my opinion. you have Memphis who seem to have a playoff team but they have very little experience. Golden State has Baron Davis but lets not forget he is possibly the most injury prone star in the league and their small ball may be put to the test with the improvement of big men and big guards in the league and in the west. My other team may come as a surprise, they are the Kings of Queens from Sac Town. They have two experienced veterans in Artest and Bibby and with a young guy in Kevin Martin who improves with each year. They have a solid big man in Brad Miller. They can do some things and if they get their mood rings on the right color they can get themselves into the playoffs. But one thing all these wild cards for the 8th spot have in common is IF they all may be able to be successful IF they can get something together. They will all finish in the race with around 39-44 wins.
Diamond, I hate to rain on your parade but Denver will not win 58 wins this year. They are a terrible team aside from Camby, Nene, AI and Melo. The bench looks too thin for this kind of stamina... At best they will win 50 games. In all honesty, the Lakers are a more balanced team. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 09:56 PM PST
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| warren, you need to stop smoking the chronic...you are high to think we are going to get the 4th seed..all the others teams have improved their personnel...we have not....we have made some tinkerings....no major changes...we are more of a 7or 8 on a good day.. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 09:59 PM PST
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| I am not saying the current team is able to grab the 4th seed, but I bet it has better chance to do that than Denver winning 58 games. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 10:50 PM PST
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i think denver has a pretty good chance. they've got a very solid roster; if they had some chemistry, they'd be a great offensive team.
AI, Melo, Camby, Nene, K-mart, Najera, JR Smith, even our old buddy Chucky Atkins. they could definitely be a 4th place team. like a toned down version of the suns, but that's only because they lack team chemistry, which should improve next season. |
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Posted: Aug 23, 2007 - 11:06 PM PST
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Showtime wrote:
warren, you need to stop smoking the chronic...you are high to think we are going to get the 4th seed..all the others teams have improved their personnel...we have not....we have made some tinkerings....no major changes...we are more of a 7or 8 on a good day..
Who smokes chronic anymore? Are you like 50?
Anyways... I have to disagree with you. The Lakers are very capable of landing the 4th seed.
Kobe - He will be better than ever with more steals and assists but with less PPG.
Lamar - Easy 20-10 a night if he's 100% healthy.
Kwame - Aside from the fact its his last year of his contract I think he has plenty to prove. I'd look to see a more aggressive Kwame on offense and an improved defense also.
Fisher - Major upgrade from smush. His defense is a tad better than Parker but his knowledge of the triangle is where we will benefit the most. Not to mention he can hit the open shot when Kobe draws the double/triple team.
Bynum - He's up in the air. Supposedly he's been working extremely hard. We won't know if those statements are valid until the first game of the season. He could post as much as 15ppg this season if he takes a lesson from Kobe and really works his a** off every morning. If he's not going to be traded then he needs to be given as many minutes as possible. Andrew cannot blossom if he isn't given the chance. I'd say at least 15-20 MPG would be enough. Either way his numbers are going to improve. Like every other Laker fan I'm just hoping they vastly improve.
Vlad - I see him stepping up his game and making the type of shots that were expected from him when we signed him.
Sasha - He can shoot.... Now lets see him do it in a game. This season is make or break for him. I see him possibly hitting the D-league or going back to Europe if there is no improvement.
Mihm - As a fellow human being I can only think that he can't wait to get out on the court. Any competitor who sits out for multiple seasons is going to work harder than everybody to stay on the court. Look for him to get back to where he was somewhere after the All-Star break.
Cook - If he can keep his attitude in check he can find a role on this team. He may be a douchebag but he's got a shot.
Turiaf - He's been tagged as our cheerleader. People say he has hustle and that's where his potential ends. I don't agree at all. He can post some really decent numbers and I see him improving drastically each season he plays.
All the other guys.. whatever I'm too stoned to even remember their names... Evans.. he'll improve a bit. |
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Posted: Aug 24, 2007 - 01:26 AM PST
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mambamonk87 wrote:
i think denver has a pretty good chance. they've got a very solid roster; if they had some chemistry, they'd be a great offensive team.
AI, Melo, Camby, Nene, K-mart, Najera, JR Smith, even our old buddy Chucky Atkins. they could definitely be a 4th place team. like a toned down version of the suns, but that's only because they lack team chemistry, which should improve next season.
mambamonk, its possible but its quite a stretch. They lack the bench that could effectively win in the Western playoffs. |
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