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Post subject: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
 Posted: Aug 17, 2007 - 05:05 AM PST
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First of all, don't call them that. As if bad blood is not enough to cancel all further deals. Then came along logic.
Any deal between inter-state rivals Sacramento and LA Lakers would have to be owner-based decisions. GMs at this point become puppets to a highly political negotiations that involve the top wolf no less. Jerry, meet Joe and Gavin.
I have always inserted the logic behind the deal. I always consider the motives for each team and the objectives and if these two are enough to make minds meet. Add in a pinch of controversy, a sprinkle of rivalry and a handful of ego, its your magic formula for disaster and verbal abuse - regardless of how logical the deal actually is.
Lets break it down.
The Kings are in a very bad shape financially. They are not a playoff team nor are they positioned to rebuild. They are stuck in limbo. Not a very good position in the ever-strong West. As a team, the kings look decent. They have a balanced roster for all 5 spots on the floor. Perhaps it was just coaching disaster? No.
If we try to rank the West, the top 3 are well defined - Phoenix, San Antonio and Dallas. Houston makes a serious bid to complete the Texas Triangle, and a Desert Storm of Powerhouses. Utah, Denver and LA belong to the 2nd tier West teams and almost a playoff lock. The only thing up for grabs is the 8th seed - all for the taking between 8 teams. Golden State is the front-runner, but the loss of JRich might seriously hurt the possibility. New Orleans has re-tooled with Mo Pete and Memphis has added Darko. On the rebuilding side are Minnesota with Al Jefferson, Seattle with Kevin Durant and Jeff Green and Portland with Greg Oden and a flurry of young players to dominate the league in 3-4 years time. Who's left? Paper Clips and Sacto Queens. They have to arrive at a decision soon, or else they would be relegated to irrelevance real quick. Gone are the Cowbells of Arco days... its time for new blood to set in.
Kevin Martin is a very promising player. He is not flashy nor fancy but he is a very effective player and scorer. Francisco Garcia and Quincy Douby have not been able to showcase their talents because of the presence of the veterans Rahim, Thomas, Brad Miller, Ron Artest, Mike Bibby. They eat up almost all of the playing time, hampering their development.
So, can we make a deal?
Kwame + Crittenton + Cook
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 17, 2007 - 07:16 AM PST
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| warren, I would like to see Bibby in Laker uniform, not only is he a better playmaker than fish, he is a better scorer as well. (assuming he plays up to potential) You have outlined the Kings (queens) team very well in the above post but why would they want to add Kwame and Cook with the several vet big men you mentioned? Their young players would still be on th e bench. I would do the trade in a heart beat, getting rid of Kwame and Cook would give us more flexibility than we presently have and move two pieces that we should not have gotten in the first place, giving us the potential for improving our roster. |
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 17, 2007 - 05:45 PM PST
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| Execellent points but reports were that the Maloofs nixed a deal that would have sent us Bibby near the trade deadline |
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 01:16 AM PST
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Guess what:
The Sacramento Kings fans actually accepts a deal that looks like this:
Kenny Thomas + Ron Artest
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Kwame, Crittenton, Sasha, Cook
they just want Cook swinged to another team in exchange for an expiring. Interesting huh? |
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 01:18 AM PST
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| the fans may take that deal. now try and convince the magoofs to take that deal. |
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 01:22 AM PST
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| Thats what I've been saying Nicky. If logic was the basis, we could have a deal today. With ego getting in the way, not sure we will have any deal as long as the Goofs own the Kings. |
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Post subject: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 09:24 AM PST
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| Sports are based on emotion, from the fans all the up to upper management. Look at all the garbage that goes on in little leauge, people losing their minds over a game that thier kids are playing. I don't mind having emotion, but we need to keep things in perspectivee. It does seem that many deals don't get done, that would make sense for both teams, because of emotion or jealousy. I agree that much of what we have not gotten done this off season is because of one or the other. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 04:55 PM PST
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warrenweelim wrote:
Guess what:
The Sacramento Kings fans actually accepts a deal that looks like this:
Kenny Thomas + Ron Artest
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Kwame, Crittenton, Sasha, Cook
they just want Cook swinged to another team in exchange for an expiring. Interesting huh?
yeah thats very interesting |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 04:58 PM PST
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If we can deal with the Kings how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal...
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st+cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest+JO at the cost of giving up Odom+Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad's contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel's contract so that cancels it out.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO+Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they're essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st+2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 05:12 PM PST
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lakersforthewin wrote:
If we can deal with the Kings how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal...
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st+cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest+JO at the cost of giving up Odom+Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad's contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel's contract so that cancels it out.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO+Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they're essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st+2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq.
very nice trade proposal. my only question with it is if the Kings would do it because i dont think they get enough |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 05:17 PM PST
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landon86 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
If we can deal with the Kings how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal...
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st+cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest+JO at the cost of giving up Odom+Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad's contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel's contract so that cancels it out.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO+Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they're essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st+2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq.
very nice trade proposal. my only question with it is if the Kings would do it because i dont think they get enough
Well they would be going into re-building mode unloading Artest, Bibby, and one of their 3 big contracts in Miller, Abdul-Rahim, or Thomas and would be getting back young talent in Diogu and Williams, exp contracts in Doleac and Williams, a nice roleplayer in Haslem, and future picks. By cutting off the large contracts of Bibby, Artest, and either Thomas, Abdul-Rahim, or Miller and adding exp k's they'll free up cap for next year's FA class |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 05:21 PM PST
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lakersforthewin wrote:
landon86 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
If we can deal with the Kings how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal...
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st+cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest+JO at the cost of giving up Odom+Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad's contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel's contract so that cancels it out.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO+Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they're essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st+2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq.
very nice trade proposal. my only question with it is if the Kings would do it because i dont think they get enough
Well they would be going into re-building mode unloading Artest, Bibby, and one of their 3 big contracts in Miller, Abdul-Rahim, or Thomas and would be getting back young talent in Diogu and Williams, exp contracts in Doleac and Williams, a nice roleplayer in Haslem, and future picks. By cutting off the large contracts of Bibby, Artest, and either Thomas, Abdul-Rahim, or Miller and adding exp k's they'll free up cap for next year's FA class
i really like it but i bet the Maloofs would be greedy because they're business people. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 05:24 PM PST
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landon86 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
landon86 wrote:
lakersforthewin wrote:
If we can deal with the Kings how about this?
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Ok so this trade can be seperated into different parts like the Miami deal for Bibby can be done after an Artest deal...
*Lakers give Sacromento future 1st+cash, Miami gives Sacromento future 2nd*
*Abdul-Rahim can be switched in for Thomas*
Lakers-We get Artest+JO at the cost of giving up Odom+Bynum. However we also force Indy to take on Vlad's contract by doing this but Indy does get rid of Daniel's contract so that cancels it out.
Pacers-They unload the contracts of JO+Daniels and although get rid of two young pieces in Diogu and Williams they get back Bynum, Farmar, and Douby to replace them. They also get Radmanovic to replace Daniels.
Kings-They unload both Artest and Bibby so they're essentially going into rebuilding mode. They get back a future 1st+2nd, Diogu and S. Williams as young talent, J. Williams as a 9 mil exp to run the point, and Haslem who is a nice roleplayer for the future. They also get a backup C in Doleac who has a 3 mil exp..
Heat-They lose Haslem but get back either Kenny Thomas or Shareef-Abdul Rahim to replace him, they also get Mike Bibby to go with D-Wade and Shaq.
very nice trade proposal. my only question with it is if the Kings would do it because i dont think they get enough
Well they would be going into re-building mode unloading Artest, Bibby, and one of their 3 big contracts in Miller, Abdul-Rahim, or Thomas and would be getting back young talent in Diogu and Williams, exp contracts in Doleac and Williams, a nice roleplayer in Haslem, and future picks. By cutting off the large contracts of Bibby, Artest, and either Thomas, Abdul-Rahim, or Miller and adding exp k's they'll free up cap for next year's FA class
i really like it but i bet the Maloofs would be greedy because they're business people.
Those danged Maloofs!  |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 05:56 PM PST
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yeah i know. but great thinking, maybe call up mitch and tell him to do it  lol |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 10:23 PM PST
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| Be careful, you might interupt his nap. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: DEALING WITH THE QUEENS
Posted: Aug 18, 2007 - 11:10 PM PST
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whtigers wrote:
Be careful, you might interupt his nap.
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