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Post Subject: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56189by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 12:46 AM PST
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If it came down to us, who would we rather keep? We have 4 interesting names, among which, should a JO deal push through, that two of the four must go.

With Jermaine O'neal's salary pegged at 19.7M, the Lakers will be heavily playing the numbers game on this one. As a requirement, the Lakers have to part with 85% of the incoming salary (at least 17M of total outgoing salaries) in order to pass the CBA ruling on trades.

Based on the payroll situation in Indy, it would make no sense for them to take back a long-term contract like Luke Walton, Derek Fisher and Vlade Radmanovic. Andrew Bynum will be the focal point of the trade. IMO, so will Javaris Crittenton be. In order to match the numbers, Kwame and Sasha must be included as well. These 4 players now add up to $14,281,151.00 just 2.8M shy of passing the requirement.

We can always choose to sign-and-trade Aaron McKie for 3M a year with the 2nd and 3rd year being non-guaranteed team options. This will enable us to keep our other players from being salary fillers. We could still add Brian Cook to this deal in exchange for 2 minimum salary players like Kareem Rush, Andre Owens, Stephen Graham and Orien Greene.

Rounding up, Indiana will be receiving Andrew Bynum, Javaris Crittenton and Kwame Brown being the prominent names, while the others serve as expiring contracts salary fillers.

Just to point out, the Lakers MUST NOT TRADE JORDAN FARMAR. I know 80% of Lakerland fancies Critt over Farmar but JF is the kind of PG we need to run the triangle. He may not be big nor quick, but he is my kind of poised PG built for championships. I just cannot envision the Lakers w/ the big three running the show with a rookie PG. More so with Derek Fisher. Lets conserve him for the playoffs.



                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56192by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 12:53 AM PST
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I agree with not trading farmar... even though critt is explosive. what good would it do if he's not going to be trusted by pj? Farmar is one of the few who have earned their playing time with pj in their rookie season. and when it oomes to the trade.. i think vlad might be thrown in, even though he is a longterm contract..i wouldn't be surprised if they use him to balance salary caps. and buy him out. would make sense right? why get players who will collect dust in the bench. when you can get 1 player to do the same job. not only that..if they decided to use any of the players..vlad would be more useful to indiana than a cook or sasha...and besides if they get vlad. they can have more room to throw in an exp. contract. maybe tinsly? and lakers would have to suck it up, cause they're not giving away odom.

let me know what you think warren

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56194by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:13 AM PST
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Vlad Radman is a bittersweet pill for me at this point. IF the Lakers land JO, we might be needing the services of Slalom Vlade after all. He will be a decent spark of the bench with now a well-balanced superstar team. But if Indy takes him for whatever reason, perhaps as a shiny spray can, I'm all for it.

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56195by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:15 AM PST
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Ultimately, I think Larry Bird wants Lamar Odom in the mix for that deal. But we cannot give them both Lamar and Andrew just for JO. I like what Warren is suggesting or is proposing.

What we are giving the Pacers is a future. Since they are sure that they are in the rebuild mode, and JO insisted that he doesn't want to be a part of that, we can surely fill the needs of their team.

We give them Andrew Bynum, who happens to be one of the most talked about trading piece this year. If his potential catches up on him, I can see him being a feared center in the East. He is a project for sure, but his upside is through the roof.

We give them Kwame Brown, whose big body and expiring contract may attract Larry's interest. If they choose not to resign Kwame, they can have room in the salary cap for sure. That will make them instant favorites to get a big named player from the 2008 free agent class and draft in the lottery, for sure.

We give them Javaris Crittenton, who surprised a lot with his stellar play in the summer league. He can steer this team to the next level if he gets playing time.

And of course we give them the fillers, who ever they may be, just to match JO's salary.

I think this is a good offer for a team that is rebuilding, if they really are so. They get a serviceable big, an expiring contract and a good inexperienced PG to fill the holes in their lineup.

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56198by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:21 AM PST
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I just think that Indiana ultimately is "better" by receiving a Bynum-centered deal. They not only enjoy cap room, they will enjoy snug-fit pieces as well.

Granger is a wing player while Diogu is a post up PF. If they could add Javaris, a PG/SG combo guard and Bynum a C, then their future is set. I boldly say better than that of Portland's. Whereas, Odom will conflict the positions played by Diogu (as PF), Shawne Williams (as SF) or as Danny Granger (wing SF).

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56199by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:23 AM PST
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i agree with you on that warren. young players will only benefit indiana..but i just feaer we don't have enough to please bird.

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56203by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:38 AM PST
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How about Luke? We signed him with the thinking that he would be great playing in the triangle as a starter. I won't complain if we get LO to play SF and JO to play PF, but what about Luke?

How about this lineup: Farmar, Bryant, Walton, Odom and O'Neal?

I mean JO played a little bit of C before right? Remember the 2005-06 season? Luke was not a starter at the start of the season and by the end of the season and start of the playoffs, Luke was in the starting 5. You know why? Phil Jackson saw how good Luke was playing the Tri and the team game. That was their BEST five.

I think that if we get JO, our starters will be Farmar, Bryant, Odom, O'Neal and Mihm.

But I think that our BEST lineup will be Farmar, Bryant, Walton, Odom and O'Neal.

Phil Jax will change the starters to this within the season because he will notice that this is our best lineup to play against opponents.

                
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Post ID: 56204by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:51 AM PST
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the question in my eyes will only be answered depending on who we give up.. i understand your concerns for luke..but i think he would be a great bench player. as he was in the past. and hell. they might be able to alternate the lineup to throw teams off. starting luke at times. and at times using him as a bench presence..there is no rule that forces us to keep the same line up every game..so why not try it? i do love your idea of keeping LO at the pf. and moving JO to center..we'd have mihm to back him up and not have to find another center. and for pf. we have turiaf and odom.. small forward rad/luke/karl

then the rest is obvious kobe for all but 4 minutes of the game..and which ever guard is left over plays those 4 or 5 mins.

only problem is...we'll only have 4 bigs. if we decide to keep odom.. what would we do then?

                
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Post ID: 56206by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 01:59 AM PST
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We could really benefit from the changing of lineups. If we play SA, we start Mihm. If we play PHX, we start Luke. We'll keep them guessing!

I am guessing that if we do indeed sign JO for Kwame, Andrew, Javaris, Cookie and Sasha plus draft picks, I think we can woo CWebb over for the veterans minimum or some other big guy we can sign.

                
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Post ID: 56208by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:08 AM PST
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true. but what is to guarantee he will be available if the trade happens?..regardless we'd need another big...

and btw.. i've been thinking... 2 players who haven't been mentioned in trades for lakers..that a team could really use are Mihm and turiaf. how much value do you guys think those 2 have? i mean mihm=small contract + experience Turiaf = small contract + Unlimited energy

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56211by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:16 AM PST
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Again, this is the speed lineup and theres the bulk lineup. Generally, teams all over the NBA will have a hard time playing Odom at SF. He is a match up nightmare. This mismatch will eventually lead to easy baskets as they now have 3 heads to defend. Mihm and Farmar will be surprised at how open they will be this year.

                
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Post ID: 56214by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:21 AM PST
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but would we even have a bulk line up? its something that would fall apart easily. whether its (may god forbid) an injury a big. or foul trouble..and then what?

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56216by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:22 AM PST
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I hope the deal happens at August 23. Its the Lakers gift to Kobe for his birthday. I hop Kobe really will have a happy birthday. You are the cake JO! Very Happy

                
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Post Subject: RE: THE NUMBERS GAME Post ID: 56218by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:27 AM PST
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Randy's proposed lineup might see the light of day more often. We need backup centers to our lineup as Mihm is the only one left. Being the case, JO may end up playing C.

                
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Post ID: 56219by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:28 AM PST
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or if the lakers are idiots "happy birthday kobe, you're being traded to the bulls for an all star janitor"

                
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Post ID: 56224by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:36 AM PST
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I think that that will be our lineup come playoff time. Farmar, Bryant, Walton, Odom and O'Neal will be it. Unless Mitch pulls off another trade before the deadline... if he does... if he can...

                
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Post ID: 56226by six.chris » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:37 AM PST
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lets not get ahead of ourselves. first we gotta hope he can pass level 1 of this off season.

                
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Post ID: 56229by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:39 AM PST
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Yeah, like getting in a Laker jersey first. I hear you Chris. It is just nice to hear that we are the likely destination of JO.

                
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Post ID: 56233by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:48 AM PST
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hey I just noticed I reached Die Hard 4.0 Laker Fan state Smile

                
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Post ID: 56236by RandyPandy » Aug 07, 2007 - 02:55 AM PST
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Congrats dude. You are one of the best posters here. Keep it up Pare!

                
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Post ID: 56243by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 03:41 AM PST
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Isn't it ironic that the Lakers have a duo of 24/7? Jermaine should wear #77 or #00.

                
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Post ID: 56244by warrenweelim » Aug 07, 2007 - 03:48 AM PST
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Since it would not be off topic to discuss "numbers" in this thread...

#1 Javaris Crittenton #2 Derek Fisher #4 Luke Walton #5 Jordan Farmar #6 Maurice Evans #7 Lamar Odom #8 Kobe Bryant #10 Vladimir Radmanovic #17 Andrew Bynum #18 Sasha Vujacic #21 Ronny Turiaf #24 Kobe Bryant #31 Chris Mihm #43 Brian Cook #54 Kwame Brown

                
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Post ID: 56259by Diamondbull » Aug 07, 2007 - 09:47 AM PST
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how about JO be number 52. that way the lakers would have 24/7 for 52 weeks of the year *laughs* that would be pretty cool!

                
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