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Post subject: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
 Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:18 PM PST
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Quite Frankly if it wouldnt have been for a bum knee for KG Kobe and the Lakers wouldnt have one the title last year.
The one flaw that can no longer be hid since so many other contenders have added to their respective arsenals is the Lakers only have a 6 man rotation that can provide points and defense night in night out. Last year they masked this flaw by having arguably the best starting line up.
Another important flaw is they lack a Point Guard who can keep up with faster and quicker guards and Fishers best days are long gone. In the West where there is a slew of Great Point guards the Lakers seem to be the only contending team out there without one. I find it amazing they won a title without one but the Triangle Offense doesnt exactly require a Great Point Guard.
As the season grows older expect some injuries to some of the members of the starting line up they have too much pressure on them. They arent exactly young guns besides Andrew Bynum but most of them are in impeccable physical condition. As evident with Gasol out from a sore Hamstring playing in the Finals two years straight was good but also bad because when you have bums that are young on your bench but cant give your starters a break you rely heavily on your starting five.
The Frontline is talented an one of the best in the league but they have no depth on it. I expect them to trade or add a quality veteran before they enter the playoffs a name that immediately comes to mind is Kurt Thomas. Also the front line still seems to be a little finesse. If your going to do battle with any of the other 5 contenders the Cavs,Spurs,Nuggets,Magic,and Celtics you better be ready to bang down low. They all added imposing threats to there teams in the offseason Shaq,Powe,Bass,Rasheed,Blair, Shelden Williams,Antonio Mcdyess. Everyone i named arent marquee names but that is added beef to bang with Gasol,Odom,and Bynum.
One BIG problem that almost bit them last year was Complacency. They say it wont happen because Kobe is hungry and Ron is but is everyone else hungry. After that ring last year i expect some players to slack a little. The Lakers are just too talented for there own good they get bored with the game. Not necessarily Kobe but many times last year i saw Gasol,Odom, and Bynum get disenchanted with the game when they werent involved as much on the offensive side and not getting touches.
Ron Artest we all know he is capable to blow at any moment but i dont expect that to happen at all its just media hype. One thing i think that could happen is Ron not accepting his role with open arms. He knows he was brought to LA to be a defensive stopper and take the pressure off of Kobe of having to guard the best player. He likes to be involved on the offensive side but he is a ball stopper and on this Lakers team is probably the fourth or fifth best option.
This could all be just a figment of my imagination and me hoping the Cavs win a title but these reasons seem pretty valid to me. I expect the Lakers to make it to the finals again but them winning im still kind of 50/50.
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Post subject: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:32 PM PST
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Well Im not going to Blame all of it on Injuries and I dont expect Lakers to fall out of the Playoffs.
THe Other Thing I would like to Touch up on?
While some may believe having a healthy KG would have ultimatly Given them the Repeat I Disagree Even with a Healthy KG in the Boston Line up and Had they made to the NBA Finals against The Laker Squad of Last Year I still think Lakers were the Better Team. If you look at the season meetings between the 2 clubs are Bench was Better then The Boston Bench also the Celtics didnt have a PJ Brown or a James Posey to gaurd Kobe . SO I actully think had they made it to the finals wish I prayed they would of they would most defintly with out a doubt lose to LA Lakers in the FInals.
The Other think I see from the Lakers is they have taken a step back in my mind from a Injured Pau Gasol to Kobe sitting out tonights Game you Have to Question the Lakers are there Heads and Minds Set straight or do they have that typical type of Champs Seasons where its like
(oh I have a championship I have Ring thats what I was looking for) type of Head cause that I can gaurentee you wont get you to a repeat.
So Lots of questions to be answered early for the defending Champs So lets see how they Answer Them ?? |
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Post subject: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:35 PM PST
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Jeff starts out with verbal mononicity, stating "Quite Frankly if it wouldnt have been for a bum knee for KG Kobe and the Lakers wouldnt have one the title last year."
I am so glad to have an all-seeing, all knowing clairvoyant as an LTBer. OK, Jeff, what stocks should I buy? Who will win the Super Bowl? Guess you can tell me the Yankees will win the Series. That is useful.
Sorry, Laker Hater Jeff. If it weren't for the refs, The Lakers would be going for a three-peat this year. The likelihood of the Purple and Gold beating the Celts two years ago without having to surmount a 40-10 free throw disparity in game two are a lot better than the odds of us losing to a KG Celtics team last year. And that assumes the Celts, with KG, would have even beaten King James' Cavs, who were "inspired til LeBron got tired!"
If we get Pau back, and stay relatively injury free, we have Ron Ron to lock down Paul Pierce. Once done, game over. And I was at Sunday's coming out party for Artest at Staples this last Sunday. The dude shut down Joe Johnson cold. Turned him into his b***. This freed up Kobe to concentrate on offense and BAM!!!! Forty one points and a W.
Granted the Celts are not the Hawks. But the same principles apply. Shut down the opponents main weapon and leave the rest to Kobe, Pau, Bynum, LO and DFish. Throw in Shannon Brown for some excitement and....
L.A. LAKERS -- 2009-20010 NBA CHAMPS!!! |
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Post subject: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:43 PM PST
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BaadMaster,
I didn't write the article. I just posted it. Anyhow, go ahead and call me a "Lakers Hater" if that's what you perceive me as. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:51 PM PST
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lakersfanjeff wrote:
BaadMaster,
I didn't write the article. I just posted it. Anyhow, go ahead and call me a "Lakers Hater" if that's what you perceive me as.
Jeff,
I think it was just a misunderstanding, probably didn't see the link to the original article.
I'd reccomend quoting everything that is from another site. just put (in []) quote and the beginning and (in []) /quote at the end of anything from another site, then put a link below it. It would save the confusion. I'll do it for this article to stop the confusion. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 09:15 PM PST
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| how come everyone says that we won because KG was hurt last year??? they should mention how celtics won because drew got hurt in 07-08. . .this always gets me pissed |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 09:22 PM PST
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| ^^^we were missing Ariza and Bynum. Plus, we handled Boston's a$$ in Boston without Bynum....they weren't gonna win anyway last year even if they were healthy. This year, i don't know. They're certainly better this year, and so far, they've played much much better than the krappy Laker play we've seen so far. Boston is holding teams to the 60's in points. THey're demolishing teams with their defense. Laker defense, on the other hand, is atrociously bad. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: The Reasons Lakers Won't Repeat
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 09:29 PM PST
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| When I said the championship feels kinda empty, this is the exact reason... because of the Garnett factor.. I wissshed he had played so we could've shoved it down there throats. I hate when people say... oh Garnett was injured, thats why we won. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 09:40 PM PST
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| they only won cuz bynum and ariza were out. plus the refs bailed them out in game 2. i honestly dont know how nba refs get away with it. they are by far the worst officials in any professional sport. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 10:55 PM PST
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| Also, Orlando beat Boston without Nelson playing. He was playing fantastic basketball before his injury. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 11:01 PM PST
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The author of this article seems to be really, really bad at articulating his thoughts. He's not a very good writer...
...but then I realized that it came from bleacher report. So that explains it. And takes away all of the article's validity. Bleacher report. Blecch-er report. Belcher report. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 11:27 PM PST
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| I stopped reading after the first line; the author apparently can't spell such a simple word as won. |
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Having landed Artest must feel like landing in a vat of salt water with 1000 paper cuts to the rest of the league. Now we've got the best 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th scoring options in the league.
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 11:51 PM PST
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mambamonk87 wrote:
The author of this article seems to be really, really bad at articulating his thoughts. He's not a very good writer...
...but then I realized that it came from bleacher report. So that explains it. And takes away all of the article's validity. Bleacher report. Blecch-er report. Belcher report.
That site sucks badly. I never read anything by bleacher report. Even if its a positive Laker one. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2009 - 01:06 AM PST
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The Lakers could have taken Boston in 08 if Bynum was healthy
The Lakers would have won in 89 if Worthy and Cooper and Magic hadn't gone down
The Lakers would have beat Detroit in 04 if Malone hadn't gotten injured
Ooo look, I can play the injury game too!
All of the woulda, coulda, shoulda is completely irrelevant when the light of reality shines upon it. |
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| lol at shelden williams being a threat |
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Celtics fan.
As an occasional poster here, will pipe in with my 2 cents. A lot of "what ifs" in life, including sports. What if KG had been healthy last year? The true answer is we won't know, nor does it matter much. The hypothetical answer, IMO, is that the Cs still probably would have lost to either the Cavs or LA. The bench was just too thin last year, and the late season pick-ups of Moore and Marbury didn't pan out - I felt both of them had to really play well for us to have a chance, as well as have everyone remain healthy. Didn't happen. I do think we had a valiant run in the playoffs, with no KG and Powe, but also felt it was a matter of time before we lost. Firepower matters, and we didn't have enough of it last year. Believe it or not, a lot of my fellow Cs fans think the same.....(but I do like the start to this year, though June is a long ways away....) |
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Kube,
Yes, I agree. However, if the Finals started tomorrow, your team would cream ours! |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2009 - 10:01 AM PST
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Yes, I agree. However, if the Finals started tomorrow, your team would cream ours!
Steve,
I agree. It would be very ugly and end quickly. Worse than two years ago I suspect. I am very impressed with what Boston is doing, how they are looking. Even better at this early juncture than two years ago. The one big if with that team is how the geriatrics will hold up under the long season. If they do hold up-look out cuz they have it going on.
In order for us to start reaching that level Boston is at right now it will take the return of Pau (duh!) which will let Lamar play with the bench. MUCH better effort and production from the bench. And lastly, a step up on the defensive end. The first thing will happen. The last two things could happen. But will they?
If I were Kuberski I would be ecstatic by what my team was showing, even at this very early time of the season. They are pretty much dominating in a fashion we were expecting from our team, are they not? |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2009 - 10:33 AM PST
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The "what if" game is what keep all the fans tuned along the post-season...but, since the game 1, real world is the only thing that matters. Injuries, illness, bad coaching, bad shooting...take a look at the reloaded Magic right now. They have Lewis for some games, Howard injured, Carter injured...3 starters out. We have Pau out, maybe the key player for our rotation. Cavs are (nearly) without D. West, starting SG...and trying to find a way to feed Shaq & LBJ at the same time. Detroit, without Hamilton (starting SG) and Prince (starting SF)...the Clippers without Griffin...and the list goes on.
Just be focused in the game, enjoy it, and let the time put everyone in his place. IMO, if we got Pau back healthy, we will repeat. |
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Yes, I agree. However, if the Finals started tomorrow, your team would cream ours!
Steve,
I agree. It would be very ugly and end quickly. Worse than two years ago I suspect. I am very impressed with what Boston is doing, how they are looking. Even better at this early juncture than two years ago. The one big if with that team is how the geriatrics will hold up under the long season. If they do hold up-look out cuz they have it going on.
In order for us to start reaching that level Boston is at right now it will take the return of Pau (duh!) which will let Lamar play with the bench. MUCH better effort and production from the bench. And lastly, a step up on the defensive end. The first thing will happen. The last two things could happen. But will they?
If I were Kuberski I would be ecstatic by what my team was showing, even at this very early time of the season. They are pretty much dominating in a fashion we were expecting from our team, are they not?
Randy,
Your so right they just "seem" so much more hungry. Could it be the way we as Laker fans are looking at our team? WE ARE ALL expecting to see this championship team come out of the gate full steam ahead BUT maybe we just need to ease into it given our personal. What concerns me with the few games we have played is it looks like the guys are all looking to Kobe when the game plan is not working instead of getting involved. As you said of course this all could be null and void when Pau comes back but to me it seems we are in slow motion. Let's see as we get closer to mid season, but yes I agree we should be keeping an eye on things. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2009 - 10:39 AM PST
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Flixos, NJ:
Oh yeah, its a long year and things happen. Drew is another factor. He is playing pretty good right now but still not near the level he was pre injury. I fully expect him to reach that level this year again. I also think this team will pick up the intensity as time goes on. The bench, even though it is not too hot is actually better than it is showing right now. I came into this year expecting a repeat and I still do.
If the bench does not improve its play, if Drew does not continue to improve, if Pau's return does not improve us by a large increment, then its time to worry. But realistically, all those things should happen. Right now it is just a waiting game for the champions to hit on all cylinders. I am a patient fan.
Fortunatly for us and unfortunatly for Boston, the playoffs don't start this week.
It's a cliche but also true: the NBA season is a marathon, not a sprint. |
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Randy,
Noted, not a sprint, but a marathon. However, as far as HCA we do not want to spot the Lepers, or anyone else for that matter, a 26 km. head start, in a 42 km. race. |
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Steve,
Oh yeah, I agree. Boston is already a big concern on the radar. They look better than they did two years ago, which is troubling. Giving them home court advantage is a whole different ball game than say letting Denver have home court over us. The Lakers have to keep the pace and not fall away from them. The way were are playing right now and the way Boston is, it may be difficult. The Lakers do need to step up. Even without Pau, they should be doing better than they are. I mean with Kobe, Drew, Artest and Lamar? That ain't chopped liver. |
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Posted: Nov 04, 2009 - 01:39 PM PST
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The only reason i dont see the lakers repeating is injuries.
and I dont think Ron will blow up LMAO this never gets old, correct me if im wrong but did it not only happen one time at the infamous palace brawl? |
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| actually i agree with much of what the article said. except for the first kg bull ish. but i hop our bench will develop and once we get pau back we will start clicking once again. but it will be tough cuz there are some GREAT SQUADS OUT THERE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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why don't you remember the kind of post we read last year?. Awful defense, Our nobody bench... but we won. Our players have shown they can win...
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