Put it like this, If the rockets make the playoffs with trevor ariza, we made a mistake....Because i dont know who the hell is playing for the rockets, but they are winning games somehow.

Put it like this, If the rockets make the playoffs with trevor ariza, we made a mistake....Because i dont know who the hell is playing for the rockets, but they are winning games somehow.

Put it like this, If the rockets make the playoffs with trevor ariza, we made a mistake....Because i dont know who the hell is playing for the rockets, but they are winning games somehow.

im pretty sure ariza will score more than artest, especially since he is like their go to guy. . i just hope everyone sees the big picture, and notices the key things that make artest better than ariza. . .better passer, hard to stop driving into the paint, tougher, and overall he has more of an impact on the game. . .don't let the stats fool you guys. I don't want to hear " ariza had 22 pts artest only had 12, he is clearly better".

It's not even close on a basketball level. The only thing the Laker haters hang their hats on is that Ron will go bonkers and disrupt the team. I keep hearing how he's going to chuck up ill advised shots and disrupt the flow of the offense. Oh wait... that was Kobe tonight... yet I'm not hearing how we are worse off with him.

This game goes as a loss tonight without Ron and furthermore... a loss as well if Ariza was here instead.

why are people always mad at urkle? LTB is a forum which gives people the right to exress the way they feel and allows them to post their own opinions. . .it's much better than having a forum where everyone agreed, that would be BORING!

TREVOR ARIZA 2010 season stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=2426

RON ARTEST 2010 season stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=0025

why are people always mad at urkle? LTB is a forum which gives people the right to exress the way they feel and allows them to post their own opinions. . .it's much better than having a forum where everyone agreed, that would be BORING!

This is right in a sence, but If I made numerous posts about how Smush Parker was the best player to walk the face of the earth, and the Lakers were lucky to have him, and ignored everyone who tried to tell me otherwise, would I have a right to my opinion? Sure. Would everyone else have the right to tell me what an idiot I am. Absolutely. Its my opinion and my right to be completely oblivious to the game of basketball and those around me who obviously have more knowledge. But its not my right to take my rediculous opinion and state it as fact.

Since you ask I'll answer.

Everyone of us has moments of frustration with the team. We all have players we like and those we have reservations about. ie. our opinions.

The difference is... where you or I may say... "darn Bynum had a awful game tonight, he lacked the fire, he needs to pick it up" Urkle will say. Friggen Bynum sucks, he's always been soft, we wont even make it to WCF much less have a chance for the finals as long as he's our Center.

This isnt a rare occasion. It's about every game, FO move, and the majorityh of the players. The only player i have seen hos actually stand up for....all this time... is of all people... Trevor. The one that left. But... as usual... that was all the FO's fault.

In other words... while everyone gets negative from time to time... Urkles posts are doomsday negative 90% +. It just gets old. And just as you say, he's entitled to his opinion. With that, I am just as entitled to refute it.

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TREVOR ARIZA 2010 season stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=2426

RON ARTEST 2010 season stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/p ... yerId=0025

Nay, like i said. . don't let the stats fool you. Ariza is currently Houstons go to player,while artest is currently the lakers 3rd best player (4th when gasol comes back). Be honest would ariza have won us the game like artest did today, while being the third option?

What Im really paying attention to is Ariza's FG % (.475) and his 3 point % (.520) . He is also averaging 1.75 steals.

Hope we can get someone via trade for either Sasha, Farmar, or Morrison that can duplicate what Ariza can do.

LMAO with the smush comment, well i agree with you man, but now it seems theres always a negative post towards urkle, if you don't agree with the guy and don't get along with him, then just don't pay attention to him, but don't attack him. . (this post wasn't directed towards you Condemned, im just saying)

Ariza is going to have a good year with Houston. Both are good players. I personally wish him all the best. He can average 30 - 10- 5 for all I care and I will still say Artest is better suited for us come PLAYOFF time. If we were developing a team to win championships in 3 years and beyond... then Ariza would have been the proper choice due to his youth. To win NOW.... Ron is the best choice.

Did I miss something - or was I delusional and thought that the Lakers just had a parade this year and everyone was chanting ARIZA at the Coliseum? I thought the exact same team with Ariza just won the championship? Must of been just a sweet dream or something.

Lucky then we got Artest or we would of had to wait three years to win a title.

This is right in a sence, but If I made numerous posts about how Smush Parker was the best player to walk the face of the earth, and the Lakers were lucky to have him, and ignored everyone who tried to tell me otherwise, would I have a right to my opinion? Sure. Would everyone else have the right to tell me what an idiot I am. Absolutely. Its my opinion and my right to be completely oblivious to the game of basketball and those around me who obviously have more knowledge. But its not my right to take my rediculous opinion and state it as fact.

You didnt miss anything. The point i was trying to make, rather poorly I guess, was that Artest is in his prime now while Ariza is a few years away. I am in no way taking away any of the contributions Trevor made in the playoffs but until he can prove that on a consistant basis I conclude that he got on a hot streak at the best of possible times. The career numbers support this. I have no doubt that the Lakers would be contenders with Ariza. I just believe that we also got fortunate to not run into the Cav's or Celts in the playoffs. Do i think we would have won? Yes, cause if anything... I am an optimist about this team. Would Trevor have had as good a finals against Pierce or Lebron? I'm guessing not. But it's all a moot point as we will never know.

If you had to choose between Artest or Ariza to guard Pierce or LBJ.... who whould you choose? I still feel to win NOW... we are better off with Ron. If i was thinking long term and surrounding Bynum with talent I'd choose Ariza. I think the FO was thinking along the same lines. They have the core of Bynum, Gasol, LO, Kobe, and Artest set for a sloid 5 year run.

Again, your not too smart... Its not a Smush Parker/Derek Fisher question.. Ariza was crucial in the playoffs.. Offense and defense. Try to compare oranges to oranges next time. If Artest does something dumb, which he usually does and it hurts the team....I'm gonna say I told you so..

A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. The pure volume of your negative anti-laker posts suggests that sooner or later you might actually call something correct. You dont even believe many of your own ridiculous posts as witnessed by your refusal to back it up last year.

.... so go ahead and say you told us so when you actually get something correct. I certainly wont be holding my breath.

4Lakers: When we do face the likes of Melo, Lebron, etc.. Let's take into account that it's a total team effort to stop those players, not just one person locking down. I've always thought that Sefolosha has done a pretty good job of guarding Kobe, however it was the big men coming over to help that paid dividends. Just like the two times we played the CAVS last season, the Lakers switching on screens helped us tremendously because we are one of the few teams who can switch on Lebron and have multiple people guard him. The main thing we can only hope for from Ron is that he makes these guys work for each and every shot.

A blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile. The pure volume of your negative anti-laker posts suggests that sooner or later you might actually call something correct. You dont even believe many of your own ridiculous posts as witnessed by your refusal to back it up last year.

.... so go ahead and say you told us so when you actually get something correct. I certainly wont be holding my breath.

whatever... I'm sick and tired of making wheel chair jokes. so call me anti laker all you want. Yes I'm anti laker i want to see them lose I hope they dont even make the playoffs.. does that make you happy. Shut up and debate the issue.. yes im anti laker, get it out of your system already.