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Post subject: Farmar wants shorter rotation
 Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 03:08 AM PST
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LAKERS: Although he might lose playing time, he says it could lead to better consistency if the guards had defined roles.
EL SEGUNDO - When the Lakers trimmed their guard rotation from five men to four late last season, Jordan Farmar was the guy whose playing time evaporated almost overnight.
Isn't it ironic then that it's Farmar cautiously lobbying for a return to the shorter rotation three games into the new season?
Although Farmar knows that either he, Shannon Brown or Sasha Vujacic would likely only see the floor in mop-up duty, the backup point guard suggested on Monday that the pros of a four-man rotation outweigh the cons. It gives the reserve guards more chance to ease into the game and develop a rhythm without fear of being removed at the first hint of trouble.
"That's kind of what happened last year," Farmar said. "At times I'd be (on the bench), and it made it easier for Shannon and Sasha to be successful. They knew their role, their job and their opportunities much more so than now, not having a clue if you do something right, you come out or if you do something bad, you come out. That's what makes it difficult."
Farmar will likely find a receptive audience in Phil Jackson, who acknowledged the previous night that the guard rotation "without a doubt" will have to tighten up. Nonetheless, the Lakers coach will stick with a five-man rotation tonight at Oklahoma City and perhaps for a few more games until he can better evaluate who belongs on the floor in the long term.
"A five-guard rotation is really tough," Jackson said. "Four is difficult as it is. Five is almost impossible.
"I told them point blank, some of you guys are starting to lose minutes if you don't start being productive out there and you can't get things organized on the floor."
In the first three games this season, Farmar, Brown and Vujacic each showcased different skill sets. Farmar (16 minutes per game) is the most adept at organizing the offense, Vujacic ( has the most consistent perimeter jumper and Brown (13) provides the most defense and athleticism.
"Everybody would like to play 48 minutes, but me going into my fourth year, I realize you've got to go out there and make the most of every opportunity," Brown said.
GASOL INJURY
The Lakers revealed on Monday that Pau Gasol recently underwent a sonogram that showed a possible tear in his injured right hamstring.
Gasol had an MRI taken on his hamstring on Monday morning, though results will not be available until today. The All-Star forward traveled with the Lakers for their games in Oklahoma City tonight and in Houston on Wednesday, but he is not expected to play.
"The last diagnostic test we did showed he had a slight tear, so we wanted to see what that progress was," Jackson said. "I think it's going to turn out really well."
Gasol has missed six exhibition games and three regular-season games since suffering what was originally labeled a "mild hamstring strain" in practice on Oct. 10.
NO EXTENSIONS
The Lakers did not give contract extensions to either Farmar or Adam Morrison by Monday's deadline, making both fourth-year players unrestricted free agents at the end of the season.
Farmar will earn $1.9 million this season, while Morrison will make $5.2 million.
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Post subject: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 03:35 AM PST
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Farmar is right on this one. This rotation is a madhouse.
Against bigger PG's, go with Brown/Vujacic
Against smaller PG's, go with Farmar/Brown
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Post subject: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 09:23 AM PST
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The Lakers did not give contract extensions to either Farmar or Adam Morrison by Monday's deadline, making both fourth-year players unrestricted free agents at the end of the season.
They have done nothing to earn extensions. Not even glimmers of deserving them. Good bye Adam, goodbye Jordan. |
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Post subject: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 11:02 AM PST
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| Farmar is right, Phil needs to shorten the rotation and get Farmar out of it. I think that's been part of the problem for two years now. When Sasha was doing good that one year, he actually had a regular rotation. We knew that he would also be on the floor to close games while Kobe was at the 3. They need to do something fast in LA with our guard situation, we need a starter to get a bulk of the minutes and a sub who knows what type of minutes he's going to get, not subs who have to be productive in two minutes time. |
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Post subject: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 11:19 AM PST
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| I think that if Sasha was given more playing time, you would really see his productivity improve, he just needs a chance. As for Farmar, well, let's just say he'd better start proving himself, otherwise, it's off with his head! |
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Post subject: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 01:45 PM PST
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| Sasha has been hitting his shots this year, but he has seen very few minutes on the floor. |
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Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 01:59 PM PST
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| why would anyone listen to what farmar wants. he also wants to start and clearly is not capable of doing that. the dude has tons of potential but lacks the drive and so far has not lived up to that potential. i say we try to ship him this year or let him walk at the end of the season. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 04:10 PM PST
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PlzOPH3T wrote:
Farmar is right on this one. This rotation is a madhouse.
Against bigger PG's, go with Brown/Vujacic
Against smaller PG's, go with Farmar/Brown
Never ever go with Farmar/Vujacic.
I agree 100%. For some reason when Farmar and Sasha are on the floor together, it is like oil and water. Not sure why this is becoming a worse combination, but it is.
I agree with Farmar that the rotation does need to get shorter with the guards. Last game was a perfect example. Sasha comes in makes a nice shot and the next thing you know he is back out of the game. He was in and out so fast, it was like he did not play at all. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 06:50 PM PST
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Axle wrote:
Sasha has been hitting his shots this year, but he has seen very few minutes on the floor.
What? Hitting his shots???? He's friggin' 1 for 3 (33%) or a whopping 2 pts. and he's played 25 minutes total in 3 games. During the Dallas game, I went to take a leak, and came back to see that Sasha already racked up 4 personal fouls. Give me a break, Sasha is garbage. He should be on the Defender's, not the Lakers. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 03, 2009 - 07:34 PM PST
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| Sasha needs to be in when Kobe is playing. Kobe will feed him the ball when wide open. Farmar will not pass him the ball unless he is being mugged and then Farmar will try to force either a shot or turn the ball over. Farmar in my book is garbage and should be replaced by Shannon Brown or Sasha. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:25 AM PST
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gemfow wrote:
Farmar is right, Phil needs to shorten the rotation and get Farmar out of it. I think that's been part of the problem for two years now. When Sasha was doing good that one year, he actually had a regular rotation. We knew that he would also be on the floor to close games while Kobe was at the 3. They need to do something fast in LA with our guard situation, we need a starter to get a bulk of the minutes and a sub who knows what type of minutes he's going to get, not subs who have to be productive in two minutes time.
Funny that!
It seems Phil does not understand the PG position or just maybe he coaches vicariously through these saplings! Aha...
He excuses the phenomena by saying that the triangle does not require a pure point guard. A poignant clue but pure Bullshevick!
From Fish being inexplicably traded to Utah to Smush Parker starting for 2 years only to be dropped like a constipated bowel and flushed off to 'get the hail outa' here' land then recruiting Jordan Farmer long before he was cooked and the pathologically ineffective while shooting over the backboard Sun Yue as well giving the super talented and triangle savvy Javaris Crittendon a 360 roundhouse kick from the hip in the Gasol trade and 30 point guard tryouts during the past Summer, well, something's smelly in Lakerland, yet, they keep winning?
Dribble penetration is still a huge problem, Farmer gets burned on defense by most NBA PG's and cheerleaders alike, and if it weren't for Fish, Phil's tenure with LA would not have ever included a true floor leader despite having two Summers now to revise the problem. What the devil is going on Beezlebub? Phil recently suggested that Lamar could have the job and maybe Sasha too. A true pattern is emerging? Phil needs air-heads at the helm, not leaders...
My theory is that Phil Jackson is actually the point guard and he hypnotizes the players in the locker room so he needs air-heads in order for this scheme to work! Watch Phil's eyes. They move up and down with every dribble. It's him I tell ya'! Phil pushes away ALL the floor leading point guards except for Fish although......and this is really weird.....
Fish's line tonight versus Houston: 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists. Has that ever happened in a starting Los Angeles Laker's point guard uniform?
Which leads me the truthful conclusion that Fish is a surrogate, a trout, and the real Derek sits at home and watches the games on a 72" flat screen with Stephon Marbury. Phil was high on helium tonight and giggling because Brian Cook only played for 13 seconds and admits that he has lost all ball-eye coordination, and that this is what led to Fish's monumental triple egger and the finger decapitation. He's worried that his playing days are finally over! And Kobe goes for 41 and exclaims again, "Ship his arse out," I meant Phil, not Drew! "I'll handle the shooting the coaching and the travel arrangements myself!" |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 01:41 PM PST
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 02:40 PM PST
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| They should keep farmar out of that rotation. |
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Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 03:25 PM PST
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| Jordan played well with the minutes he got yesterday. He should have played more. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 04:12 PM PST
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SAMMi24 wrote:
Jordan played well with the minutes he got yesterday. He should have played more.
Sammi! I notice that you defend Farmar all the time and that is fine to be biased towards certain players, but Farmar has not being playing good for a long time. Sure he got lucky and made a three point shot, then he starts celebrating and forgot that there was still more basketball to play, so Houston just took the ball right back and scored. I would like to see Farmar improve his game since I have followed his career since he played for UCLA, but instead of getting better, he actually got worse starting last season. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:39 PM PST
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I still say Sasha is worse than Farmar but not by that much more. For the money, Sasha is a rip off and the Lakers paid way too much for his services...or dis-services. Right now, they BOTH belong in the garbage.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:44 PM PST
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Axle wrote:
SAMMi24 wrote:
Jordan played well with the minutes he got yesterday. He should have played more.
Sammi! I notice that you defend Farmar all the time and that is fine to be biased towards certain players, but Farmar has not being playing good for a long time. Sure he got lucky and made a three point shot, then he starts celebrating and forgot that there was still more basketball to play, so Houston just took the ball right back and scored. I would like to see Farmar improve his game since I have followed his career since he played for UCLA, but instead of getting better, he actually got worse starting last season.
hey axle! you are certainly right that i always defend farmar despite his poor play, but the thing is (to me at least) that whenever he plays with the starters, he plays well.. And when he plays with the zombie bench, he does poorly or jsut decently. Also, i don't like the way Phil manages the time for the guys on the bench. He plays Jordan for verrry limited minutes.. and unless he plays good from the very start, he gets pulled immediately. Its silly to think that somebody who is sitting for the first part of a game will just be thrown in and make their shots right away. Anyway, I'm not saying he's played well. He's been spotty. I just feel that he gets the blame for everything from LTB and it's not fair to me. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 06:47 PM PST
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| I guess being a Robert Horry, Ginobili, or even an Eddie House is too much to ask from Farmar or Sasha. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 09:24 PM PST
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I see where Farmar is coming from in this one. I think it is a valid comment. But how valid is it coming from Farmar? Am I suppose to believe that once he is advised of his role we will see an improved Farmar? Could it be that these comments are only excuses at a time where Farmar now sees his final days as a Laker? I was thinking about about Fisher's game last night. Fisher's age is obviously not shy of showing up at whatever game it feels like. But Fish had a few defensive highlights that made a difference and we walked away with a win. He made a difference with the opportunity he was given What disgusts me is the fact that Fisher's minutes are there for the taking. Not all of them but quite a bit. So why is this opportunity not being taken with open arms especially by Farmar?
Also, did anyone notice Farmar during the last play of last night's overtime win? Every Laker was on their feet except guess who? I criticized him days ago for joking around during a team huddle while the team was being embarrassed in their home court, and every player seemed clearly frustrated by their horrendous play and unbelievable officiating. Call it picking on Farmar but he has been given plenty of chances and he has yet to learn from his previous mistakes. I suggest Farmar takes a seat permanently just like he takes a sit when the rest of the team is at least supporting from the sideline. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Farmar wants shorter rotation
Posted: Nov 05, 2009 - 11:34 PM PST
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| ^^^^Correction: Luke and Sasha were also on their butts. What a surprise there. I completely forgot Sasha and Luke were on our team. |
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Posted: Nov 06, 2009 - 02:08 PM PST
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| Maybe I am just being a little touchy about this, but am I the only one who thinks Jordan should just shut the f*ck up until he starts playing better?? |
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