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Post subject: our bench
 Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 03:57 AM PST
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| so i know that it is very early in the season and we will be a factor come playoff time. however i think our bench is of some concern. i dont get how we pay a guy like walton 5 mil a year and the celts pay a much better marquis daniels 2 mil, and they also have guys like eddie house, sheed, and glen davis (when he returns). i think we need to move morrison and farmar to get another reliable player coming off the bench. obviously odom is good and i like shannon brown's game too. but seriously, we need to improve our depth. of the 5 contenders, i think we have the worse depth... best top 6 though and tons of matchup nightmares |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 01:13 PM PST
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| In a few words, " Our bench Stinks". |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 01:25 PM PST
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| Well, the Lakers obviously didn't improve their bench from last year. It's made up of the exact same players. Our bench sucked last year and it will likely suck again this year. They still won a ring with that crap of a bench, and I believe the top 6 or 7 players on the team are talented enough collectively to carry this team to another championship. |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 02:27 PM PST
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I see a Jordan Farmar trade happening... Its just a gut feeling. Or maybe Sasha.
Anyway, on paper, our bench doesnt have a chance against those of the C's and Cleveland. If Sasha continues to play the way he has been playing, I say trade him for a good defender that can hit the 3-ball and is suited to be in the second unit. Someone like James Posey comes to mind and since the Hornets need to cut down on salary, Morrison and Farmar could be an option since they both have expiring contracts this year. |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 02:39 PM PST
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| Peat, You can throw Powell in the mix also. I still say that if PJ would rotate one or two bench players at a time they would do much less damage and not lose big leads. Why he platoons with this bunch of losers I will never know. |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 02:51 PM PST
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maraud, if there's a change that should be made, it should be in our second unit.
Just look at it without Gasol in it:
Farmar-Shannon
Sasha
Luke-Morrison
Lamar-Powell
DJ
Idk if our bench flat out sucks, or if we're just missing Gasol. We're gonna have to wait and see how it goes with Gasol working with the second group. If we still struggle, I want Posey in here... |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 03:06 PM PST
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| How many years does Posey have left on his contract? |
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There's no "i" in team, but there is in win.
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 03:11 PM PST
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^ 2 left after this year.
But wow is he struggling:
2 points, 1 rb, 1 apg in 20 minutes! |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 03:14 PM PST
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| ^Ha Ha, can't be doing any worse then Sasha. I'm just not sure that the Lakers will be willing to take on the additional years and money. |
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Chick Hearn will always be my favorite Laker. The Lakers are the champions, you don't have to like it, but you have to live with it.
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 04:17 PM PST
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I am not being flip. I am not fooling. I am not joking. I would rather have Smush Parker in his "prime" than the current version of Sasha. He is as useless as a starters pistol in a gunfight. It is truly time to get rid of him. I can take Farmar. He is often out of conmtrol. But he does make threes and has some chemistry with Shannon. The only chemistry I see in Sasha is with the mirror.
Walton is a solid bench player and you are not going to get anyone better that far down the bench. Once Pau returns, we are pretty deep -- once you eliminate "the Bricklayer." |
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Post subject: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 04:31 PM PST
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| wow, could you imagine the defense with kobe, artest, and posey?? players like melo, lebron, and pierce would never be in the game without someone being right in their face. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 06:50 PM PST
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Remember people all the lakers bench players are the same type players.
They are all jump shooters and if that shoot is not falling you gety nothing.
None of them are rebounders, defensive guys or guys who attack the basket by getting his own shot. Face it, if their shots are not falling you have me. |
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Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 11:15 PM PST
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gysirwill wrote:
Remember people all the lakers bench players are the same type players.
They are all jump shooters and if that shoot is not falling you gety nothing.
None of them are rebounders, defensive guys or guys who attack the basket by getting his own shot. Face it, if their shots are not falling you have me.
That's very true. I mean, look at our bench: Farmar, Sasha, Walton, Shannon Morrison, Powell, Odom. Some of the main guys, Farmar, Sasha, Morrison, are only good if their shots are falling, without that, they're practically useless. Until they can prove us wrong by either playing goo defense, driving through the lane and converting on drive-ins more, or at least making shots consistently, we could be "SO MUCH BETTER"! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: our bench
Posted: Oct 31, 2009 - 11:55 PM PST
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ReliveThe3PEAT wrote:
maraud, if there's a change that should be made, it should be in our second unit.
Just look at it without Gasol in it:
Farmar-Shannon
Sasha
Luke-Morrison
Lamar-Powell
DJ
Idk if our bench flat out sucks, or if we're just missing Gasol. We're gonna have to wait and see how it goes with Gasol working with the second group. If we still struggle, I want Posey in here...
Don't even think of putting Pau with the bench, that would mess up the starters. We need to get some trades on the bench because they have been bad for multiple years. Posey would be fine with me. We need bench help. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: our bench
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 01:38 AM PST
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^ No Maraud, Im not thinking about STARTING LO over Pau. Just like last year: Pau starts, and still works with the 2nd unit.
Anyway, I think Posey would help out a lot with his defense, his shooting, and ability to take over a game with his hot streaks, but its pretty pointless to be talking about this. I dont think Mitch is thinking about making a trade 2 games into the season.. Lol.
But if it continues on, near the dealine, we may see a trade and I hope it involves either Jordan, Sasha, or Morrison. We dont need a big time 6th man. Mainly just a consistent player that can shoot and play defense, IMO. Again, I'd love to have Posey... he'd be a solid fit. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: our bench
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 12:37 PM PST
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ReliveThe3PEAT wrote:
^ No Maraud, Im not thinking about STARTING LO over Pau. Just like last year: Pau starts, and still works with the 2nd unit.
Anyway, I think Posey would help out a lot with his defense, his shooting, and ability to take over a game with his hot streaks, but its pretty pointless to be talking about this. I dont think Mitch is thinking about making a trade 2 games into the season.. Lol.
But if it continues on, near the dealine, we may see a trade and I hope it involves either Jordan, Sasha, or Morrison. We dont need a big time 6th man. Mainly just a consistent player that can shoot and play defense, IMO. Again, I'd love to have Posey... he'd be a solid fit.
I agree with you 3 PEAT but Mitch should be looking for a trade, in fact he should have been looking for a trade last year. The bench junk have been bad for way to long and a change is needed now if we want to repeat. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 12:52 PM PST
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| mitch needs to do something about the bench. i actually dont mind having farmar and brown as our backup guards playing together. walton is fine playing some backup sf minutes since he knows the system well. i think morrison and sasha need to go. the question is who would actually trade for those guys. powell is decent as a backup big. if we could somehow get a posey type player i think that would go a very long way. pleae mitch, work another pau type trade. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 12:55 PM PST
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| the one huge factor we have going for us is that the bench plays a much smaller role come playoff time. i think our top 6 our talented enough to win when it matters with guys like brown, walton, and farmar playing here and there. hopefully these guys will improve as the year goes on. but ya, all the depth in the world doesn't matter come june. it's about your best vs. their best and honestly i like us matched up against any team in the league |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 05:19 PM PST
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| Don't trade for another jump shooter, the need players like dang or salman for the bulls. Some who can get to the basket with the dribble and and play solid D. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 06:05 PM PST
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jc89 wrote:
the one huge factor we have going for us is that the bench plays a much smaller role come playoff time. i think our top 6 our talented enough to win when it matters with guys like brown, walton, and farmar playing here and there. hopefully these guys will improve as the year goes on. but ya, all the depth in the world doesn't matter come june. it's about your best vs. their best and honestly i like us matched up against any team in the league
I think top 5 players of the Lakers can hang with most. I am not sure Fisher can be included in this list. He can hit the big shots, but he can't defend as well as he use to. A strong bench is very needed, even though the rotation is a lot shorter. Don't want the starters to come back in to the game in hole and have to dig themselves out. They serious need to address the bench this year. Celtic bench is no joke. Need a good backup or starting point guard and maybe a big that can score a couple of points. If not a good one that can just defense. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:57 AM PST
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First and foremost, the reason why our bench sucks right now is because LO's not there. Once Pau comes back, LO can settle back into his role of Bench Mob leader. But why stop there? The way I see it, our bench needs some leadership on both the forward and guard spots. LO fulfills the former, but we'll need someone like Fish to perform the latter.
Seeing as how Farmar usually plays better with the starting unit, we can just swap roles. Have Farmar run with Kobe and Co., while Fish helps Lamar in stabilizing the bench. That way, our bench could learn how to hold on to leads. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 01:33 AM PST
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| Atlanta Bench 49 points, Laker Winkiedoos 27, which I guess is better than usual for them though they did manage to be collectively -22 points overall. As long as our Starters can spot us 30 point leads we can risk putting these bozos in. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 02:26 AM PST
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| I think phil needs to change up the rotation. Yeah I know he's Phil and has 10 rings and is a hall of famer but sometimes his substitutions does irk me. Its obvious that our bench is lacking, not just now even last year. I don't know why he insists on putting all reserves on the floor as one unit. There should always be one starter or even two on the floor at all times. Its obvious our bech players play better with starters and not as an entire unit. hopefully Phil will see this and change things up. the starters can still get the rest they need it just means they don't go all out at once. The situation should be better once Lamar goes back to the bench when Pau comes back. It just sucks seeing a 20 point lead get squandered This is becoming an annoying trend. |
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| When Gasol comes back, I think Phil should insert Shannon in the starting lineup in place of Derek. He has proven to that he can keep up with the other teams' starting quick point guard. He's certainly more athletic than Derek. With Fisher going to the bench, that would further shore up our bench. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 03:05 AM PST
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PinoyLakerFan24-7 wrote:
First and foremost, the reason why our bench sucks right now is because LO's not there. Once Pau comes back, LO can settle back into his role of Bench Mob leader. But why stop there? The way I see it, our bench needs some leadership on both the forward and guard spots. LO fulfills the former, but we'll need someone like Fish to perform the latter.
Seeing as how Farmar usually plays better with the starting unit, we can just swap roles. Have Farmar run with Kobe and Co., while Fish helps Lamar in stabilizing the bench. That way, our bench could learn how to hold on to leads.
I think Shannon is a better starter than Jordan. Jordan doesn't defend as well. In addition, he's not as strong. Other top tier point guards can easily post Jordan up. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 02:22 PM PST
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| I don't think you can blame Morrison for the bench problems because the guy is not even getting a chance. He was getting into a nice groove in the end of preseason and now the season started and he is rotting at the end of the bench just like last season. How do we know he can't outperform other members of our pathetic bench unless he is given a chance? |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 02:33 PM PST
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| i know it is still very early in the season and pau is out. but i will say that we cannot and will not win a championship this year with our bench playing like it is right now. when we're playing quality teams in the playoffs i doubt our starters will be able to get these 20 pt. leads that our bench squanders in 5 min. of play. it is horrendous and needs to be fixed if we have any hope of winning another title. |
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