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    You know to tell you the truth, the Warriors might be better off without either Curry or Ellis. Yes, they can both play uptempo, but neither one is a true PG or anything like a true PG.

    Farmar and Sasha would do well in a Don Nelson system.

    Now, would the Warriors take that deal. No....................

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    Adam Morrison for Morris Peterson:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=kjdrvb

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    Nay511 wrote:
    Adam Morrison for Morris Peterson:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=kjdrvb


    I always thought Mo Pete was garbage. Why trade a newer piece of garbage for an older, stinkier piece of garbage? No thanks

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    lakeshowsd wrote:
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    Adam Morrison for Morris Peterson:

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=kjdrvb


    I always thought Mo Pete was garbage. Why trade a newer piece of garbage for an older, stinkier piece of garbage? No thanks



    Morris Peterson career stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... ayerId=656

    Look at his points per minute compared to his points per year. He is consistent. Not a starter but a solid backup.

    hoops hype http://hoopshype.com/players/morris_peterson.htm

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    Even if we get Lamar signed, we still should look at improving the PG position. I propose a trade with Chicago

    Chicago gets Morrison, Yue and Farmar
    Lakers get Hinrich......salaries work out in this trade

    Purpose of the trade: Lakers get a PG with good defense and shooting skills as # 1 PG. They also shed two players that are never used.

    Chicago gets backup PG in Farmar at a reasonable price, two expiring contracts and shed themselves of 3 years @ $26 million for a backup to Rose.

    Lakers improve the PG with Fisher as backup. Chicago saves $$ and could even package these players for another trade with someone else.
     
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=lz9he6
    then we cud sign ...ramon sessions and wafer

    fisher/sessions/brown
    bryant/wafer
    artest/walton
    gasol/smith/powell
    bynum/mbenga/elonu

    OR

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=nhkh7y
    then we cud sign..ramon sessions..wafer.. and marvin williams

    fisher/sessions/brown
    bryant/wafer
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    pau/staudimare/powell
    bynum/powell/elonu

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    ^^

    Who in their right mind other than the grizziles would accept this trade???

    you wasted alot of time
     
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    These are the players I think we should not trade...

    1. Luke Walton, intelligent player, passer and solid team player.

    2. Adam Morrison, will eventually play like a top draft pick,however, if he fails to do so the FO should just let his contract run out.

    3. Josh Powell, have been solid with limited minutes, needs to develop a low post game though.

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    WE need to take the final step to upgrade the team for next year and beyond. We need to get better at PG, someone that can defend the quick guards.

    Fish will be another year older and we need to upgrade as soon as possible.If Farmar is not the guy, and if Brown is not the guy...then here's my proposal.

    Trade Morrison, Farmar and Yue to Chicago for Hinrich. This trade works through ESPN Trade machine. If necesary, give a 2nd round pick to Chicago also.

    Chicago benefits by an expiring contract for Morrison and Yue. They get a decent backup PG for Rose at a more favorable contract and they dump $27 million in salaries for a backup PG in Hinrich.

    Lakers benefit by getting a first rate PG and have Fish coming off the bench. What a team that this could be..Brown could be developed as Fish leaves in two years

    I can see a run of 6 Championships in the next seven years with this team

    PG - Hinrich ------Fisher------Brown
    SG - Kobe --------Sasha
    C - Bynum-------Mbenga
    PF - Gasol--------Odom------Powell
    SF - Artest--------Walton
     
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    Post subject: RE: Final Step - Trade!!!  PostPosted: Jul 31, 2009 - 09:55 AM PST
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    I do like that trade and I've always liked Hinrich. On top of that Chicago would get two expiring contracts in Morrison and Farmar.

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    Sounds good, but will Chicago like the trade?
     
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    IMO, Chicago will think that our guys are too few for Hinrich, and we could think that Bulls' PG has a huge contract (one more!) for the next years. No thanks.

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    psymd1 wrote:
    Sounds good, but will Chicago like the trade?


    Chicago is paying Hinrich $9 million for 3 years as a backup to Rose. They would get Farmar @ $2 million this year and a team option for next.

    Morrison would also be an expiring contract for next year and Yue they could dump now. Or possibly restructure a trade for Morrison elsewhere.

    Chicago saves big $$$ instead of paying a backup PG major $$$.

    Sounds good to me!!
     
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    Yea it sounds good...until you factor in how much that will push up the annual salary. If Buss doesn't mind paing 130mil a year then I say go for it! lol.

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    Don't like the trade at all. I say don't think trading Morrison till after the all star break, I have a feeling he will be the Lakers secondary scorer off the bench.

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    flixos wrote:
    IMO, Chicago will think that our guys are too few for Hinrich, and we could think that Bulls' PG has a huge contract (one more!) for the next years. No thanks.


    The price for Hinrich this year would be the same as what we are paying out right now. Yes, we would continue to pay an additional two years of this inflated contract but when Hinrich comes up for contract, he's 32 and would probably be offered the MLE $$ for 3 years.

    Hinrich would be a major improvement as PG for the next 5 years.

    Fish has 1-2 years max left...who takes over then as PG? We need to look into the next 5-6 years as Kobe's getting older too. We need to maximize the championship potential!!
     
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    NigerianLaker wrote:
    Don't like the trade at all. I say don't think trading Morrison till after the all star break, I have a feeling he will be the Lakers secondary scorer off the bench.


    I'd like to see what Morrison can give also but sometimes you have to give up something to get something back...

    I like Hinrich as PG better than Morrison as a backup to PF
     
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    MazFan wrote:
    flixos wrote:
    IMO, Chicago will think that our guys are too few for Hinrich, and we could think that Bulls' PG has a huge contract (one more!) for the next years. No thanks.


    The price for Hinrich this year would be the same as what we are paying out right now. Yes, we would continue to pay an additional two years of this inflated contract but when Hinrich comes up for contract, he's 32 and would probably be offered the MLE $$ for 3 years.

    Hinrich would be a major improvement as PG for the next 5 years.

    Fish has 1-2 years max left...who takes over then as PG? We need to look into the next 5-6 years as Kobe's getting older too. We need to maximize the championship potential!!


    Sure we will need a true PG when PJ will leave us. We will start to use a new system for sure. But, if you take a look to our roster, all you can find is a mountain of blocked money. Kobe, Pau, now Lamar, Drew (will want even more!)...that's the main reason i don´t like the Kirk's trade. We will have, in 3 years, a mountain of salaries for guys getting really old...and then, which kind of movement are you going to make to exchange all that money for younger blood?.

    Don´t forget the salary cap...is proyected to go even lower in the next years...sure is not my money, but i'm pretty sure Dr. Buss is not looking at all about wasting more money in the next 5 years.

    Trade for picks, or younger guys, even with a higher risk...but with a lower salary.

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    While I do think we need an upgrade at the point, I am not sure Kirk is the answer. We need a guard who is quick and defend Tony Parker, Chris Paul and not make Aaron Freakin' Brooks look like Nate "Tiny" Archibald. Kirk is a good defender on bigger guards (and some small forward like Pierce in last years playoffs) but he is not what he need.
     
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    I doubt anybody will do a deal with us now
     
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    sorry but fisher earns the starting job no matter what...hes not 2nd string and wouldnt take 2nd string....thats why he left after the year when payton joined the Lakers
     
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    Hinrich would be a fantastic coup for the Lakers. He's a very good defensive point guard that can defend either guard positions. He has good size at 6-3, is a good 3pt shooter, and a smart player. If only it were as easy as the Bulls wanting to make a salary dump. I'm sure if it seemed like the Bulls wanted to dump Hinrich to free up more cap space, Mitch would jump right on that like he did with Kwame and Pau two years ago.

    Now for Chicago, If they were to do that, they'd actually be one of the teams that could add two max contract superstars in 2010 to a core of Rose, Noah, Miller, Thomas, and Salmons, and IMO that team would be sick, think about it Wade and Bosh were to join that team, they'd easily be the best team in the east for years, so there is a possibility. But at the moment I get the feeling that they are holding on to Hinrich as a piece that could be used in a trade to land Carlos Boozer. If that happens to fall through, or Miami gets him instead they may want to just dump salary.

    I live out in Chicago, so I also pay a bit of attention to the Bulls. Right now the best situation for them would be to make a trade for Boozer with Hinrich as the center piece of that trade. Next year Boozer comes off the books and the Bulls would be able to offer him the most amount of money because of their Bird rights. If they were to resign Boozer, they would still be able to offer a max contract to a guy like Wade or Bosh, if not, they'd have the ability to go after two top free agents. So right now, the feeling I get is that if the Bulls can't land Boozer, they may go for the salary dump and the Lakers could capitalize, but not before.
     
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    The Bulls already lost Gordon for nothing this summer. Not sure they'd want to take back expiring contracts for guys that wouldn't contribute as much as Hinrich would. If anything, they'd probably want to trade him for a big.
     
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    KingTrobe2411 wrote:
    sorry but fisher earns the starting job no matter what...hes not 2nd string and wouldnt take 2nd string....thats why he left after the year when payton joined the Lakers


    Nah. That's when he was still young and spry and could leverage some decent interest. Now he'd arguably be a second-stringer on any team in the league.

    If money were no object and the deal could be put together, I'd be all over it.

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    I know some of you dislike Jordan Farmar. I actually like his game because the opposing team has to play him different than how they cover Fisher. If only he would make the right decisions all the time when he is on the court, and played better defense, he would be the perfect backup PG..............

    IF Farmar hasnt shown any improvement this summer, I think the Lakers should try to get Golden State to resign CJ Watson and trade him to the Lakers for Farmar.

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    Three-way-trade to get Sasha off the Lakers and get Ariza back by the trade deadline: evil1

    The Houston Rockets trade Tracy McGrady to the Milwaukee Bucks for Michael Redd and Francisco Elson:
    (Trade machine) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=l7xffh

    ...... and the Lakers trade Sasha Vujacic to Houston for Trevor Ariza.

    Houston gets a shooter in Redd, and another big man with Francisco Elson. Houston also gets a back up shooter with Vujacic who might play better in Rick Adelman's system, although he might have to battle for that spot with Brent Barry. Houston will be left with two small forwards, Shane Battier & Chase Budinger in their rotation.

    The Lakers get back Ariza and have him be Kobe's backup..... We cant have Kobe out there killing himself again this season. IF this is Fisher's last year, Shannon is eventually going to have to shift over and become the starting PG in the triangle a la Ron Harper, and Farmar will be his backup.

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    sasha , morrison , farmar for deshawn and javaris
    wizardz are deperate

    javaris has madd talent that need to be discovered
    and deshawn better consitant shooter then sasha also can throw down the ball

    or farmar and sasha for courtney lee sounds good
    he redy been in the finals and good for lakers future , still young and can score

    or
    sighand trade either seession or felton still far from a team
    both good fit in the lakers
     
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    Nay, why would Houston do that? Come on now...Sasha for Ariza?

    Shannon Brown is going to get those minutes this coming year as Kobe's back-up. It's why they signed him.
     
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    This thread should be titled "never gonna happen!"
     
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    LakersRabbi wrote:
    Hinrich would be a fantastic coup for the Lakers. He's a very good defensive point guard that can defend either guard positions. He has good size at 6-3, is a good 3pt shooter, and a smart player. If only it were as easy as the Bulls wanting to make a salary dump. I'm sure if it seemed like the Bulls wanted to dump Hinrich to free up more cap space, Mitch would jump right on that like he did with Kwame and Pau two years ago.

    Now for Chicago, If they were to do that, they'd actually be one of the teams that could add two max contract superstars in 2010 to a core of Rose, Noah, Miller, Thomas, and Salmons, and IMO that team would be sick, think about it Wade and Bosh were to join that team, they'd easily be the best team in the east for years, so there is a possibility. But at the moment I get the feeling that they are holding on to Hinrich as a piece that could be used in a trade to land Carlos Boozer. If that happens to fall through, or Miami gets him instead they may want to just dump salary.

    I live out in Chicago, so I also pay a bit of attention to the Bulls. Right now the best situation for them would be to make a trade for Boozer with Hinrich as the center piece of that trade. Next year Boozer comes off the books and the Bulls would be able to offer him the most amount of money because of their Bird rights. If they were to resign Boozer, they would still be able to offer a max contract to a guy like Wade or Bosh, if not, they'd have the ability to go after two top free agents. So right now, the feeling I get is that if the Bulls can't land Boozer, they may go for the salary dump and the Lakers could capitalize, but not before.


    While I do agree it makes sense for both teams to do such a trade, there are reasons why it won't be made. One reason is that we wouldn't even need to do it and we would actually be getting ripped off if Farmar and Morrison are up to snuff. Also, there's absolutely no way Jerry Buss takes on Hinrich's big, long contract. He's going to save much, after this season, if Farmar signs at most the mid-level exception, about $5-million - $7-million in luxury tax letting Fisher and Morrison go. Also, Hinrich is 28 years old, while Farmar is only 22 (23 on November 30th) and Morrison is only 25.

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    The Bulls can keep that squirally guy. He makes too many stupid mistakes when he is playing. Lakers will stay with what they have. If it is not broken, why try to fix it.
     
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    Ty wrote:
    Nay, why would Houston do that? Come on now...Sasha for Ariza?

    Shannon Brown is going to get those minutes this coming year as Kobe's back-up. It's why they signed him.


    I hope Shannon does take Sasha's minutes this coming season. But when Fish retires, Shannon is most likely to take over the PG spot........

    By the way Ariza is not going to fit in in Houston, you watch. HOU will end up being a lottery team in the summer of 2010. Houston now has 3 SF's: Ariza, Battier, and Budinger. They need a pure shooter, thats why a McGrady for Redd trade would make sense for them. And when Yao comes back in a year, they are going to need a shooter like Redd to play in an inside-out offense. Then they wouldnt need Ariza anymore. They would need another shooter other than Brent Barry to back up Redd. McGrady and Yao have already had a beef about who gets the most shots. Vujacic's $5,000,000 contract which expires in 2011 would be intriguing to the Rockets.



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    Lakers will stay with what they have. If it is not broken, why try to fix it.


    The only thing thats broken is Sasha. We need to fix him.........

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    Just heard on pro sports daily that Stephen Jackson of the Warriors wants to be traded and has hired an agent to do so...do you think in some way we can bring him here to la...maybe for morrison + trash???

    kind of an imposible but who knows?

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    He says he wants to come to a contender but I doubt the Lakers will look into him. We're already stacked... I'd like for us to find a shooting specialist and trade Sasha though.

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    Awesome. We could trade for him and sign Jermain Oneal for vets minimum next season and we will have all of the Pacers from the Palace Brawl. YEA US!
     
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    Lakerfan365 wrote:
    Awesome. We could trade for him and sign Jermain Oneal for vets minimum next season and we will have all of the Pacers from the Palace Brawl. YEA US!
     
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    oops sorry
     
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    I heard the Warriors and the Mavericks are talking

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    The lakers already have Artest. Why would they bring in Jackson? lol, you guys want everybody.
     
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    IhatetheCeltics wrote:
    The lakers already have Artest. Why would they bring in Jackson? lol, you guys want everybody.


    Yeah we do want everybody, but we dont want Sasha.......

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    Lakerfan365 wrote:
    Awesome. We could trade for him and sign Jermain Oneal for vets minimum next season and we will have all of the Pacers from the Palace Brawl. YEA US!


    Great Post..
     
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    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=l3v6q4

    Lakers get a good back-up SG for Kobe who can shoot and defend, and Shannon can start at PG once Fisher is done. Jackson and Odom are 2 players who can bring the ball up the court and play PG. Plus Jackson can also play SF and maybe PF if we want to go a bit faster.

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    Mamba1024 wrote:
    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=l3v6q4

    Lakers get a good back-up SG for Kobe who can shoot and defend, and Shannon can start at PG once Fisher is done. Jackson and Odom are 2 players who can bring the ball up the court and play PG. Plus Jackson can also play SF and maybe PF if we want to go a bit faster.


    The problem with that is the Warriors are stacked at the point guard position. Shooting guard is a position they need, but Sasha isn't quite the caliber I think the Warriors are looking for.

    From everything I have read, Nellie is looking for young players or cap relief, which would bring Morrison into play. But again, the caliber of player that Adam is doesn't quite match up.

    I don't think we have the pieces the Warriors are looking for unfortunately.
     
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    unless we can get a another steal i dont think a trade for jackson will happen unless we give up one of our main pieces and im not willing to do that
     
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    TRADE IDEA: Jason Kapono

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=m5p4o7

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    ^Or you can just trade Sasha for Kapono straight up

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m932f4
     
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    Relive and Lakerfan365, there is a reason they won't do that. One, the Lakers want someone who is capable of guarding SG's as well as shooting the long ball at the SG position, why would they downgrade and trade for a slower, one-dimensional SF with no athleticism?

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    lets see how they start the season , then we should know whats needed
     
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    Kapono is a good shooter, but I am a little skeptical about his defense. Jackson would love to come to the Lakers, but we would have to give too much for him. He is another very good player.
     
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    sorry but fisher earns the starting job no matter what...hes not 2nd string and wouldnt take 2nd string....thats why he left after the year when payton joined the Lakers


    He left because he got a contract offer from Golden State for $6 mill a season...Lakers were offering a lot less

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