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Post Subject: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
 Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 12:28 PM PST
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No I am not lost. This is still a Laker thread and always will be. I just like to raise a few things that involve the Memphis Grizzlies in relations to the Lakers.
Early during the 06-07 season, Memphis lost a lot of games while Pau Gasol was out on a foot injury. Whether intentionally done or not, they ended the season on the same note. In between, there was a huge tug-of-war between now outgoing GM Jerry West and Bulls GM John Paxson with regards to Pau's services. Jerry West did not want to sell him short, and rightfully so. He was one of the very few very consistent players to average 20 and 10 night in and out. The Bulls had offered Ben Gordon and Andres Nocioni plus PJ Bown's then expiring contract. The Grizz, wanted Hinrich, Luol Deng and Ben Gordon, or any 2 of the mentioned. Ultimately, the talks fell off, and Memphis went on to drift for the rest of the season.
Coming into the lottery, Memphis had a 25% chance of landing the #1 pick. That is a one-to-four chance they land at the most coveted prize in a decade or so. Suppose they are not that lucky, they had a 50% chance to land #2. I mean, you can't go wrong right? Either Oden or Durant, you can't go wrong.
But I guess the basketball Gods have a funny way of rewarding"tanking". Memphis slipped all the way to #4, the worst possible possibility they could've had. Now if there's anyone more unlucky than Cleveland and Indiana for not having picks this year, it was Memphis.
Considering their lineup for one moment, they are in pretty good shape to fully rebuild. Pau has made it known he wants to win and not be a part of rebuilding. They just had their coach replaced in Mark Iavaroni and Jerry West is stepping down come July 1st.
Highlighting the Grizzly lineup would be Mike Conley Jr, drafted #4 overall. He will be the star of this team now and for the years to come. Pau would still fit in very well at age 25, but likely will be 30 or near 30 when the talents around him complete full circle. Rudy Gay also has a very bright future ahead of him. A high-flyer and a very versatile Guard/Forward in a 6'9 frame, he was drafted #7 over-all last year by Houston and was traded for Shane Battier.
Among the veterans are Mike Miller and Damon Stoudamire who are likely headed out if the team plans to rebuild. Brian Cardinal also takes up a little space in the payroll paying 5.4M.
Due to the inconsistencies of a 1st time head coach in Iavaroni, with ownership being a little shaky, and the team nowhere near contention in the very very very deep West, Memphis ought to weigh the options clear and decide, for once, what it wants to do. I suggest they rebuild now so that we can contend now.
I suggest trading out Pau Gasol and Mike Miller. The Lakers would be more than willing to accept both players in their bid to make Kobe settle. Mike Miller is a proven shooter who was former ROY. Pau Gasol will cleanup the mess in the post giving out 20-10 a night.
The Lakers offer will benefit the Grizz long term and the players will be in tune for the future just about right when Mike Conley is ready to dominate the NBA.
The offer:
Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, Jordan Farmar, Mo Evans and Sasha Vujacic plus 2008 1st rounder for Pau and Mike Miller.
Memphis gets to dump off the 2 most expensive players they have for 5 players who do not have contracts beyond 2008. Andrew Bynum is the coveted center he can be in Memphis, who can grow well enough without the pressure of Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson busting his a**. He will have Conley to feed him the ball as he did very well with longtime friend and teammate Greg Oden. In 2-3 years time, Conley-Gay-Bynum will be very deadly. Along with the offer, the Lakers can add the maximum cash considerations of 3M as a sweetener. Rebuilding teams always look to add cash and cap space, with nothing short of promising talent.
Memphis will have a team like this:
Conley / Farmar / Stoudamire / Lowry
Dahntay Jones / Mo Evans / Sasha Vujacic
Rudy Gay / Hakim Warrick
Kwame Brown / Stromile Swift
Andrew Bynum / Jake Tsakalidis / Alex Johnson
The Lakers on the other hand will have a team. Unlike a KG deal, where there will only be Kobe and KG, and then the others... This LA lineup is one to seriously reckon with.
Javaris Crittenton / Luther Head
Kobe Bryant / Sun Yue
Mike Miller / Luke Walton / Vlade Radmanovic
Lamar Odom / Ronny Turiaf /
Pau Gasol / Chris Mihm / Marc Gasol
WOW, better than I expected. We can have Luke Walton and Vlade Radman to come off the bench and provide leadership and firepower, with Ronny providing the energy and strength. If we are lucky enough, we will be deep too. Chris Mihm looks like he is ready to go. |
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Post Subject: RE: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 12:35 PM PST
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| Nicely done. Now what are the chances that this scenario could go down? |
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Post Subject: RE: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 12:47 PM PST
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| thats a championship team right there.. WOw you are pretty smart warreen.. And i do agree, conley-gay-bynum would be a deadly three so we can convince memphis.. |
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Post Subject: RE: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 01:57 PM PST
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| that trade would be great for us no doubt about it. but i highly doubt memphis would do it. i would still look to move LO because we just need a true pf that can play defence down low. we would be just as soft with LO and miller as we would luke and LO. unless we can put LO at the three and some how trade miller and someone else to get a decent pf. |
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Post Subject: RE: MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 02:42 PM PST
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It's up to Jerry West to prove his love for the Lakers once more and make such a great trade work.
Maybe the Griz owner will sue him then for sending 'confidential' info =P |
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Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 02:46 PM PST
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Voulnet wrote:
It's up to Jerry West to prove his love for the Lakers once more and make such a great trade work.
Maybe the Griz owner will sue him then for sending 'confidential' info =P
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Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 04:51 PM PST
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| that's actually a well thought out, and thorough deal there... it really looks plausible as well as beneficial to both teams. great job, man... |
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Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 09:21 PM PST
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Now that Kupchak has said no one is untouchable, its time to put the money where the mouth is - trade Andrew Bynum. There will be no other way if you intend to keep Kobe and keep him for the rest of his contract and beyond.
This will be one deal that is hard to refuse. |
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Posted: Jun 30, 2007 - 09:29 PM PST
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| I like it plus we could turn around and trade for Artest as well |
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Post Subject: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 01:36 PM PST
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| Because he makes about 6 milion less than JO which would make it easier to upgrade the roster some more if we got him. Trade Bynum, Kwame, Evans, Sasha, Mihm, 2008 first rounder, for pau Gasol. four out of five of the players contract end after the 2007-2008 season giving them 12 to 14 million dollar salary cap relif to go after one of top free agents like a PF or SG. Conley, Bynum, Gay would be a great young core to build a team around then add a top free agent thats a young playoff team in 2 to 3 years. It would help the Lakers get the 20 and 10 guy in the post to good with Kobe and a better #2 option than Odam. |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 01:43 PM PST
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| instead of evans lets offer them farmar. theyll be more interested |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 01:48 PM PST
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| They have Mike Conley Jr., Kyle Lowry, and Damon Stoudimare at PG. But, lack a good SG thats why Evans instead of Farmer. Plus, if we go after Artest for a example we could include farmer in the trade because they don't have much behind Bibby. Bibby most likely wouldn't be there next year anyways. |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 01:53 PM PST
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they have kevin what's his name who is their next pg of the future.
In answering the original question. I think Memphis is very content with its core right now and would only like to add to the team not subtract anything. New management generally leads to some change, but its rare that new management comes in and gives away its best player.
I think if Gasol argues for a trade. It's very likely they do trade him though because they want a smooth transition. I think the Lakers have one of the best packages to offer their organization. |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 01:57 PM PST
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| honestly, i think we may be able to get gasol w/o giving up odom. bynum, kwame, farmar, and next year's 1st rounder would probably work. |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 02:01 PM PST
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| Get Gasol, that way we have both brothers and we will have twin towers in the paint. These Brothers will work together, Almost like when Mark and Brent Price were on the same team. |
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Post Subject: RE: How likely is it that Memphis trades Gasol?
Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 02:04 PM PST
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| they will pursue gasol now for sure. he wants to play with his bro and vice versa |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 02:04 PM PST
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VanexellentLaker wrote:
Get Gasol, that way we have both brothers and we will have twin towers in the paint. These Brothers will work together, Almost like when Mark and Brent Price were on the same team.
did they get along? |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 08:34 PM PST
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| I think Gasol has retracted a bit from his trade demands in Feb...still I think an offer of Bynum, Kwame, and possibly Sasha or Mckie S&T along with a future 1st could nab him. |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 08:37 PM PST
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| Kobe, Odom, Gasol really nice!!! then I think more veteran players will sign with the Lakers just like Finley did with the Spurs. |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 08:47 PM PST
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No doubt this could be a possiblele lineup
Papaloukas
Bryant
Artest
Odom
Gasol
Not bad! |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 08:54 PM PST
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lakersforthewin wrote:
No doubt this could be a possiblele lineup
Papaloukas
Bryant
Artest
Odom
Gasol
Not bad!
How are we getting Artest, if we already traded Kwame(if included)for the Gasol deal??? but yeah! that line-up is realy sick!!!! |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 09:48 PM PST
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| Luke for Artest |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 09:53 PM PST
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| Guys, I made a thread about Memphis. Can we ask Nicky to merge it ? I mean, we are still talking about the very same things... |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 10:07 PM PST
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| Some of these trade scenarios certainly look like we are totally desperate. You only offer two out of the three - Odom, Kwame, Bynum- not all three. You only offer all three if it is KG were after. Two of the three with Evans or Cook and a future first round draft picks would be about what we would offer. If Odom stays we do not need Artest. Our starting center would be Kwame backed up by Mihm and Marc Gasol. Our forwards would be Gasol and Odom. On the other hand, maybe we are desperate. |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2007 - 10:18 PM PST
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| merged. thanks for catching that warren. |
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