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Post subject: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
 Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 11:04 PM PST
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| Besides Odom nobody on the bench really had even a descent year. Farmar was up and down, very inconsistent and I dont think he is ready for any starting position even when Derek Fisher retires because of his lackluster defense. If Sasha isnt shooting the ball well he is useless, he is not a good defender at all really, he picks up foolish and silly fouls and then whine about it. I think Luke was solid when he get got the minutes and I think he will be much better next year when he knows he will be getting the minutes at the backup 3 position. Odom has a pretty good year, he could of had a better one but I can't complain really he stepped up when he had to. Josh Powell had an excellent season when he played and stepped up when needed but is really a four and nothing else and im not sure if he can be consistent if given the minutes. Sun Yue is crap and shouldnt even be on the team, he is a disgrace and doesnt deserve a ring. Mbenga is a cool guy and all but I dont really like him as a player because when he does get in all he really does is get in foul trouble. So my question is was this just a bad year for the bench mob or will we eventually have to make some moves? I know for a fact Farmar is not going to cut it but what do you guys think. |
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Post subject: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 11:42 PM PST
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The bench doesnt have a pure shooter. We need a shooter thats better than Sasha. We need a SG that can come in and put up points when Kobe sits.
Shannon is not the answer to replace Sasha. Shannon Brown is a guard that can play PG in the triangle. So I will label Brown as a PG just because of our system.  |
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Post subject: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:02 AM PST
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| Sasha's fine being Kobe's backup. Kobe doesn't sit that much in the first place, and we have other ways of scoring without him. Sasha just needs to play smarter defense. he went from being a pesky defender to a whiny foul machine in a year. It's all in the head with Sasha. Unfortunately, so is the case for Jordan, who despite having the skill set and athleticism to be a good defender, just can't pull it off for some reason. |
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Post subject: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:13 AM PST
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Genius,
I really do not think there have been very many people that DO think we have a deep bench, not for a long while... |
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Post subject: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:14 AM PST
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1. Odom
2. Walton
3. Brown
4. Vujacic
5. DJ/Powell
Hopefully Farmar is shipped and anyone else can smoke a cigar on the Santa Monica Peer for all we care.
Bench seems fine to me. What else do you want? No, Sasha won't take a pay cut. |
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Post subject: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:16 AM PST
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| when kobe sits artest will probs play the 2 so if sasha doesnt get back to form im not to worried |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:32 AM PST
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PinoyLakerFan24-7 wrote:
Sasha's fine being Kobe's backup. Kobe doesn't sit that much in the first place, and we have other ways of scoring without him. Sasha just needs to play smarter defense. he went from being a pesky defender to a whiny foul machine in a year. It's all in the head with Sasha. Unfortunately, so is the case for Jordan, who despite having the skill set and athleticism to be a good defender, just can't pull it off for some reason.
Kobe doesn't sit much because the bench does not do its job. How many times did we see Kobe sitting out the entire fourth when the bench was doing its job in the past two seasons...
I have always been an advocate of the Lakers getting a pure shooter and offensive SG/SF for the bench and a veteran preferably.
Since last season I have never thought we have a deep bench. For all the things Lamar brings to the table he is not an explosive offensive player, he can seem disinterested sometimes when he settles for jumpers when he can just attack the paint where he is most effective.
Walton needs to step up his shooting and the other bench players need to step up their game or get traded. Time will tell what Mitch is up to. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:47 AM PST
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PinoyLakerFan24-7 wrote:
Sasha's fine being Kobe's backup. Kobe doesn't sit that much in the first place, and we have other ways of scoring without him. Sasha just needs to play smarter defense. he went from being a pesky defender to a whiny foul machine in a year. It's all in the head with Sasha. Unfortunately, so is the case for Jordan, who despite having the skill set and athleticism to be a good defender, just can't pull it off for some reason.
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You can now add a Fantastic 5!
haha.. this never gets old! Artest is a Laker! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Lakers Bench not as deep as we think
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:29 AM PST
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Simple...get Grant Hill. Mark my words. As Odom will be putting in real minutes subbing for Gasol/Artest as the true 6th man (I can even see him winning 6th man of year honors if it works out as well as I think it will). Hill can sub for Kobe and is a real scorer and plays decent D. And mainly, is not expensive and is a good cat to have around. Veteran and grateful to even be playing. Another bargain if you ask me and he deserves to win a ring. If the team does keep Sasha then Hill can help school him (if he's school-able). Now Sasha and Farmar (if they are back) become 3rd subs in garbage time. Which is all they deserve atm.
Starters:
Bynum
Gasol
Artest
Kobe
Fish
1st subs:
Odom
Brown
Hill
Walton
Powell
(pretty damn good B team if u ask me)
3rds: (as is)
Morrison (until he's fully rehabbed and proves himself. Hell he got a ring for doing nothing so far. Can't complain)
Sasha
Farmar
Mbenga
and the drafted guy what's his name.
That's a full roster. Let there be Hill I say!
Next we'll need to try to get a better back up center. If we get Hill all we need to do then is eventually upgrade a cple of backups. If Morrison works out, if he's kept, then Farmar and Sasha can be traded for another back up center, and we have 14 roster spots filled and pretty burnin' squad top to bottom.
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 06:50 AM PST
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^That looks great Shepherd, but i have two points for you.
1.) Grant Hill: where will be the money for him?. If we resign Odom (please), Powell, Mbenga, & Brown, then we must sign Hill for a bag of chips...and i'm sure there will be some teams that will think the same than us about his game.
2.) Grant Hill: so, we sign him and we'll put him as a backup for Artest and Kobe?. It sounds great, but what about the other 2 SF we're paying?. Sure, Hill would be a great improvement to Morrison (even sleeping...) and to Luke (if both healthy). But all works around the money, so i would try to unload (if it's possible) a bit our crowed and overated bench at the background's spots, and then, i would go as you for Hill.
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 07:24 AM PST
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| if we can sign Odom and Brown then our bench is deep enough... |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 02:07 PM PST
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| As far as I am concerned, I would be happy if they traded the whole bench mob for a good point guard like Heinrich. They are scrubs and scrubs are a dime a dozen. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:01 PM PST
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maraud wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I would be happy if they traded the whole bench mob for a good point guard like Heinrich. They are scrubs and scrubs are a dime a dozen.
I'm rather Keen on keeping Odom.
And Luke is a good facilatator, also you see him in the rockets series? Homeboy hounded Artest when he was on him.
Also Faramar, with his moments of brilliance and failure, is still improving.
The only bench player that's had a fail year this year was really the machine.
With a mix of so much talent and ego's on the floor the last thing we need is another one. I dont see kirk facilitating as well as Like, or nearly as talented as Odom, or as jewish as Faramar. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:05 PM PST
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Bleed.Purple.And.Gold wrote:
maraud wrote:
As far as I am concerned, I would be happy if they traded the whole bench mob for a good point guard like Heinrich. They are scrubs and scrubs are a dime a dozen.
I'm rather Keen on keeping Odom.
And Luke is a good facilatator, also you see him in the rockets series? Homeboy hounded Artest when he was on him.
Also Faramar, with his moments of brilliance and failure, is still improving.
The only bench player that's had a fail year this year was really the machine.
With a mix of so much talent and ego's on the floor the last thing we need is another one. I dont see kirk facilitating as well as Like, or nearly as talented as Odom, or as jewish as Faramar.
I am certain that Odom was being mentally excluded as being part of the Stench Mob. I too usually group him with the starters even though he comes in from the bench. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:08 PM PST
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| we need an actually back up center instead of DJ, i love DJ but we need a fundamentally sound Center |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 04:37 PM PST
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theres no money left in the well to get a good center. We just have to settle with DJ, the next best Congo shot blocker since Mutombo. Wag of the finger baby.
He could be real effective as a pure dunk machine vs opposing 2nd units instead of taking stupid jumpers.
Sasha is the opposite. Take him out the game as soon as he takes a jumper inside the arc that isnt a dunk. The Matt Bonner treatment outta work with him. His 3ball is decent. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 04:54 PM PST
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flixos wrote:
^That looks great Shepherd, but i have two points for you.
1.) Grant Hill: where will be the money for him?. If we resign Odom (please), Powell, Mbenga, & Brown, then we must sign Hill for a bag of chips...and i'm sure there will be some teams that will think the same than us about his game.
2.) Grant Hill: so, we sign him and we'll put him as a backup for Artest and Kobe?. It sounds great, but what about the other 2 SF we're paying?. Sure, Hill would be a great improvement to Morrison (even sleeping...) and to Luke (if both healthy). But all works around the money, so i would try to unload (if it's possible) a bit our crowed and overated bench at the background's spots, and then, i would go as you for Hill.
By the way, love your B-team
We already signed Mbenga and Powell. There are 11 pple signed atm. So whether they want to spend or not they have to have at least 13. Hill would cost less than $2 Mill considering that's what he's been playing for the past 2 years. We will not get more bang for the buck than that. Once there we'll have a glut of pple on the bench at that position but they can be rotated until a cple can be moved. Of them Luke is probably the one they are most likely to keep. Phil just likes him. So Sasha can be traded along with Farmar to some team for a better shooting PG or a back up center. It will take some tweaking to get the bench right. But even without it, if Hill comes we got a good looking bench, at least some of them (Odom, Brown, Hill, Powell). There's always gonna be a few weaker practice players on any squad. Having 9 or 10 good players is very good. Then you have Morrison, Mbenga and whoever for trash time.
It looks good to me. They can try to move a few of those lesser pieces around for a good back up PG or center but it's not urgent. Bynum can be rested enough by moving over Pau and having Odom on the floor with Artest. When Bynum comes back in Pau gets rest and Odom stays in until Pau comes back. I think it will be a 3 man front court rotation. Or Powell can get some minutes as well. At the 2 or 3.
As Cuck says, Odom will basically be the 6th starter. After that comes the bench of Hill, Powell, Brown. Seems solid to me.
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:05 PM PST
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| And btw sure maybe other teams would pay Hill a bit more. But are any of them looking for a ring? Not likely. He could help in NO or wherever, but he's gonna look at where he can win and get a ring. And that's LA and we need him to solidify our bench. I think we could use such a wily veteran to anchor the bench. Same way SA brought in an aging but still effective (esp at end of games) Brent Barry. Hill won't be as likely to make ill advised low percentage shots as Sasha late i games if he's needed, he's got a better stroke to begin with, even now. And he doesn't take stupid fouls. He's better than Sasha, even when Sasha is playing half decent, but would come at less than half the price. With him here we could really comfortably look to trade Farmar and Sasha without losing anything in depth. And he's a good guy who plays smart and is long. I think it's a deal to land him on this squad. Would be right up there with Pau and Artest in terms of bang for the buck. At least we'd know we'd have a few strong bench players. Odom, Hill, Brown, Powell and Luke would be starters on some teams. How deep does the bench have to have strong players? Isn't 5 enough? if we can upgrade the PG and back up center along the way this team is set and DEEP. The rest is filler for the practice squad. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 05:07 PM PST
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| And btw sure maybe other teams would pay Hill a bit more. But are any of them looking for a ring? Not likely. He could help in NO or wherever, but he's gonna look at where he can win and get a ring. And that's LA and we need him to solidify our bench. I think we could use such a wily veteran to anchor the bench. Same way SA brought in an aging but still effective (esp at end of games) Brent Barry. Hill won't be as likely to make ill advised low percentage shots as Sasha late i games if he's needed, he's got a better stroke to begin with, even now. And he doesn't take stupid fouls. He's better than Sasha, even when Sasha is playing half decent, but would come at less than half the price. With him here we could really comfortably look to trade Farmar and Sasha without losing anything in depth. And he's a good guy who plays smart and is long. I think it's a deal to land him on this squad. Would be right up there with Pau and Artest in terms of bang for the buck. At least we'd know we'd have a few strong bench players. Odom, Hill, Brown, Powell and Luke would be starters on some teams. How deep does the bench have to have strong players? Isn't 5 enough? if we can upgrade the PG and back up center along the way this team is set and DEEP. The rest is filler for the practice squad. |
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