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Post subject: Artest>Ariza
 Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 02:47 PM PST
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http://mvn.com/thenolookpass/2009/07/artest-ariza.html
As much as I like Ariza, he is not better than Artest and I didn't see him geting all that much better ball handling-wise which was his weakness. I agree with this article and the Lakers are better if we can resign Odom and get Farmar to pull his head out of his @ss. |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 02:50 PM PST
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| ...and Sasha to FINALLY be The Machine |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 05:19 PM PST
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3PEAT, that's a good article but I am not so sure that the writer has more knowledge than we do. The Lakers are usually quiet about deals and I have heard nothing that the Lakers offered Ariza more $ than Htown in fact I heard that Htown offered more years and 6,7 mil where the Lakers offered 3 yrs. and 5,8 mil.
My real concern is that Artest disappeared in the finals. He hit 28% from the 3 pt. line while Ariza hit for 48%. I am also concerned that Artest is unsyable mentally. Personally I hope that he works out inspite of my concerns.
Lastly I am concerned about how the players may react to the way this deal went down. I am in the camp that the agent did not perform his duties in a professional manner and if he was advising Ariza that he did not provide him with the best council. If those points are valid then Ariza and others IE Frew should get better agents to represent them.
Now we need to sign Odom and get a PG. Hopefully Heinrich. |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 05:22 PM PST
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| 3PEAT, If you will check your memory bank, you will find that Farmar had some good games in the finals IE when Fish was suspended and in the Orlando series so I think that he got the message. |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 05:25 PM PST
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| Well, Farmar can have "some good games" and still be garbage as far as I'm concerned. I would prefer that he have "a good year" as opposed to "some good games". Right now, his defense is lazy and I still think he stinks. The Lakers currently have ZERO confidence in this guy as their point guard of the future. That's why they're talking about finding someone to replace Fisher after he retires, and they've been trying to shop Farmar around. Mitch and the rest of the Lakers know Farmar is not going to be a special player, and I wouldn't get my hopes up about Jordan Farmar suddenly waking up and becoming a solid point guard. |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 07:55 PM PST
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| Ariza may not be better than Artest, but it's not as simple as just saying, well he's better, so let's just throw them together on a team. If that was the case, Carmelo Anthony and Allen Iverson would have worked. It's about the way they fit together as a team. The chemistry. People really underrate that. We KNEW Ariza fit in, and we don't know if Artest will work. IMO it's a high risk/ high reward move. He could either push us over the top as the best team in the NBA or ruin the team chemistry. I know some people like the risk, but I like the sure thing. I like Ariza. I hope I'm wrong of course and that Artest works out. |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:03 PM PST
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i hope SASHA plays the same way he did 2 years ago..
i liked how he called David lee "agent assface" haha |
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Post subject: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:06 PM PST
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| The bottom line is that Trevor isn't here anymore. He is with Houston. And Artest is with the lakers. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:32 PM PST
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I hate to see Ariza go since I was so high on the guy since coming to LA from ORL. He's really developed his game...His mid-range game needs to be alot better, but I wish nothing but the best for him. Im not gonna say I like Artest over Ariza...cuz during the championship run Trevor was tearin' it up.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:42 PM PST
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maraud wrote:
3PEAT, that's a good article but I am not so sure that the writer has more knowledge than we do. The Lakers are usually quiet about deals and I have heard nothing that the Lakers offered Ariza more $ than Htown in fact I heard that Htown offered more years and 6,7 mil where the Lakers offered 3 yrs. and 5,8 mil.
My real concern is that Artest disappeared in the finals. He hit 28% from the 3 pt. line while Ariza hit for 48%. I am also concerned that Artest is unsyable mentally. Personally I hope that he works out inspite of my concerns.
Lastly I am concerned about how the players may react to the way this deal went down. I am in the camp that the agent did not perform his duties in a professional manner and if he was advising Ariza that he did not provide him with the best council. If those points are valid then Ariza and others IE Frew should get better agents to represent them.
Now we need to sign Odom and get a PG. Hopefully Heinrich.
your comparing a guy who was forced into becoming the number 1 option for houston taking contested 3's aginst someone who had consistent open looks. Look at career averages rather than 6 weeks of play. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:52 PM PST
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| How do you know that Artest still wont disappear with open looks this year? Lets see what he does , I hope he does great but if Artest does not get a ring this year, I would not want to be in the lockerroom after he loses. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:58 PM PST
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| Well how do you know that Ariza would still hit those open jumpers like Sasha was last year? Of course it is all hypothetical, but look at their careers. No doubt Ariza shot better from the 3pt line in the playoffs, but wasn't that good in the regular season. Artest didn't shoot well from the 3pt line in the playoffs, but did pretty well in the regular season. I just think Artest is a better shooter, and will be once he gets those open looks that Ariza got. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:59 PM PST
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Why are some of you acting like Ron Artest can't shoot when he's clearly a better player than Ariza? Like smushsucks said, it's not unreasonable to assume that Ron will knock down those open 3 pointers with comparable efficiency to Trevor in the playoffs. He wasn't getting those same open looks with Houston in the playoffs.
It always sucks when you lose, maraud. Even if the Lakers kept Ariza, they would have been the odds on favorite to win it all. If they manage to fail next year, we'll all still be horribly disappointed, as will the entire Laker team, Ron Artest or no Ron Artest. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:00 PM PST
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| You play with kobe, Gasol, odom, you are going to look like an all star out there. And that is what Trevor looked like. He was as good as the lakers made him. Watch him in Houston. I bet he will go back to the same Trevor in New York and Orlando. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 01:02 AM PST
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| Real talk, Trevor will be good defensively in Houston. However Trevor won't be all that good offensively because he won't get the open looks he received in LA. Trevor is an open court player who has added a jump shot, whether that shot is good next year as this year remains to be seen, I personally feel that Trevor just got hot at the right time. Artest adds to the Lakers already great versatility, he can post, shoot, DRIVE and pass, plus he's another player who can bring the ball up the court. Artest will have time to set his feet on the shot and he's pretty good when he gets to set his feet, plus we have a perimeter player besides Kobe who can drop about 30 every now and then when he gets it going. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Artest>Ariza
Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 01:39 AM PST
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| farmar played great in the playoffs/finals, but i still don't like his game. very poor bball iq, questionable shot, poor defender. i'd take shannon over farmar. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 02:33 AM PST
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| Artest brings mental toughness. I can't see us losing any of those games that were "supposed to win". Trevor Ariza is no different than a player like Devean George. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:19 AM PST
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| Well, there is one thing that I noticed during the Houston series, and that I do hope that Artest brings with him, and that is that unlike Kobe Bryant, when the defense is playing like crap he will get on the defensive team and attempt to put some lead in their limp pencils, all the while trying to lead by defensive example. This is something that has been sorely lacking in this team. Maybe he might be able to even whip some of our more recalcitrant malingerers, such as Hot Dog Hero, and Brick Layer, into playing like they should be playing. Hope springs eternal! |
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