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Post subject: Ariza and Mike Brown
 Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:24 PM PST
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Moments ago, Chris Broussard an NBA analyst on ESPN, said that Trevor Ariza has spoken to Mike Brown the head coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers about joining the team. Broussard says Cleveland is on a "full court press" on getting Ariza on the team. Imagine what this could do to anyone's championship dreams. Him and "The King" will tear up the court. Throwing alley oops to each other. Ughh.. Sickens me  Please Trevor, stay in LA. |
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Post subject: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:27 PM PST
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But they can't offer more than the mid-level exception. And I think the Lakers should be willing to offer that.
Maybe the allure of playing with LeBron James is enticing him, but I really don't see him leaving us to go to Cleveland. |
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Post subject: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:28 PM PST
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| Ariza won't have as big of an impact in Cleveland as he does here. If he wants to go there fine. Let him go there. |
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Post subject: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:31 PM PST
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| Wasn't Cleveland interested in Artest as well? I don't think Cleveland even knows who they want. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:35 PM PST
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smushsucks wrote:
Ariza won't have as big of an impact in Cleveland as he does here. If he wants to go there fine. Let him go there.
Also we are not going to kiss his you know what for him to stay
but man I would hate if he end up in Cleveland, he was so much
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Post subject: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:35 PM PST
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| Well this reminds of the Celtics when Posey Left for NO this looks simular as Ariza Leavs LA to go play for somone Else to me it is showing that Lakers dont have there minds set on Repeat and Lakers will fall just like celtics did this season in the playoffs oh and I dont see how Ariza will help Cleveland and lakers are offering same amount of money so why go to a team that is offering as much as we are |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:37 PM PST
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colasuss wrote:
Well this reminds of the Celtics when Posey Left for NO this looks simular as Ariza Leavs LA to go play for somone Else to me it is showing that Lakers dont have there minds set on Repeat and Lakers will fall just like celtics did this season in the playoffs oh and I dont see how Ariza will help Cleveland and lakers are offering same amount of money so why go to a team that is offering as much as we are
Simple... LeBron James.
Remember? CLE is looking for a big wingman for LeBron, so that he can play the PF position. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 11:54 PM PST
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Trevor Ariza's short but sweet stay in Los Angeles might be coming to an end.
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The 24-year-old swingman, who played a key role in the Lakers' run to their 15th NBA championship, is on the verge of leaving the club, sources close to the situation said on Wednesday.
With at least five teams pursuing Ariza, the Lakers are currently unwilling to pay him more than the $5.6 million mid-level exception.
"They're letting him go," one of the sources said.
Cleveland is making a hard push for Ariza, and the Cavaliers' coaching staff was speaking with him on Wednesday. While Cleveland can only offer the mid-level as well, Ariza's disappointment with the Lakers' stance has moved other suitors ahead of his current team.
The Rockets, Clippers, Raptors and Blazers are also showing interest in Ariza. Portland and Toronto could each offer more than the mid-level exception.
If the Lakers refuse to increase their offer, it's a clear indication that they are choosing their other big free agent forward, Lamar Odom, over the younger Ariza.
Ariza averaged 8.9 points and 4.3 rebounds in the regular season for the Lakers last season. He increased his scoring to 11.3 points and had 4.2 rebounds per game in the playoffs. He had 16 points and 15 points in the last two Lakers victories in the Finals.
Those numbers were a jump over his career averages of 6.9 points and 3.8 rebounds per game. Ariza has played for three teams in his five-year career.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301414
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:12 AM PST
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| I honestly wanted Ariza more than LO but oh well. But i don't think Ariza is worth more than $5.6 mil. What Mitch must be thinking is that this must be another "contract year" type of a player who will be a bust once he gets his money, a la Luke Walton and Sasha Vujacic. So i can understand why Mitch is being a little hesitant in signing Ariza. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:22 AM PST
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| Artest would not be a bad replacement for Ariza. Different type of defender, but can handle any other small forward in the league. As far as offense goes, similar production could be expected. Artest wouldn't have many games where he needs to shoot more than 10-12 times in a game all season. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:23 AM PST
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| Artest would not be a bad replacement for Ariza. Different type of defender, but can handle any other small forward in the league. As far as offense goes, similar production could be expected. Artest wouldn't have many games where he needs to shoot more than 10-12 times in a game all season. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:27 AM PST
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WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are we offering ariza no more than 5.6 million!!!!!!!!!! he clearly deserves like 7 mill max and 6.5 minimum~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
lakers better not lose ariza......give him 7.2 for 3 years then offer odom 8.7 million max... |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:38 AM PST
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| ^^^He doesn't deserve that much. If anything, he owes it to the lakers more than they owe it to him. Because without the lakers, he wouldn't even be in the hunt for that type of contract. Like another poster said, he owes like half of his salary to Kobe. Because all of his shots have come off of Kobe's double teams and penetration. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:54 AM PST
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| I think Artest would be a good replacement, he's a great defender and he has a great jump shot, plus a good post game and he's mentally and physically tough. Plus he's super eager to win an NBA Title, and the Lakers have the best shot at winning the NBA Championship next season, as long as they re-sign Lamar Odom and possibly sign Ron Artest. I'll have my fingers crossed! |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 01:03 AM PST
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| According to Artest's twitter, he has signed his deal. Wonder what team. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 01:05 AM PST
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smushsucks wrote:
According to Artest's twitter, he has signed his deal. Wonder what team.
From Twitter: "Go to 1140 THTK Radio in Sacramento for the lastest Updates on My New Multi-Hundred Thousand Dollar Deal!!!"
Record deal or something music-related I'm sure. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Ariza and Mike Brown
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 01:09 AM PST
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Hope we pick up Artest or Hedo if Ariza leaves..  |
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From what I can tell, Cavs have only the mid level exemption as well to offer Ariza. There was a rumor Cavs had only the same $ for Charles Villanuava but looks like he'll sign with Pistons. Cavs have $68 mil committed for '09/10 season for 10 players incl. Shaq so they'll be over the cap as well.
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| I just hope that the Lakers dont buy into this agents crap and give Ariza 10 mil a year. That would be a bad financial move for the Lakers. Also, I still hope Odom will take a paycut and sign for 8 mil a year. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 01:24 AM PST
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| BTW, Lakers WILL sign Ariza AND LO. They will go way over the cap to do it. Kobe forgoes opting out so Lakers would have more money. Please. It's only the first day of free agency. It's all part of negotiations. Lakers aren't going to come out with their highest offer right off the bat. Ariza-3 yrs 24 mil or 5 yrs 45 mil, LO 3 yrs 32 mil. |
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| I think we should let go of Trevor Ariza if he will ask more than the MLE. Then we should sign Ron Artest, I think Artest will give more to our team than Ariza because he can create his own shot and can defend well to the opposing big time players. |
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BTW, Lakers WILL sign Ariza AND LO. They will go way over the cap to do it. Kobe forgoes opting out so Lakers would have more money. Please. It's only the first day of free agency. It's all part of negotiations. Lakers aren't going to come out with their highest offer right off the bat.
Ariza-3 yrs 24 mil or 5 yrs 45 mil, LO 3 yrs 32 mil. Just my opinion. |
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| Arteste is NOT the answer. All he'll bring is a whole lot of baggage and alot of headaches for everyone. No way he's worth upseting the chemistry. No way he buys into Phil's philosophy. |
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| can u give me some of that u are smoking? There is no way they will pay Ariza 8-9 million a year. |
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| If you're the GM give me a number that'll make the m happy? JMO. Won't be that much in the front end anyway. More money on the back end for sure. |
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This is all business.
Artiza's agent is doing a terrible job for Trevor.
Stupid tactics.
Send ariza to talk to Mike brown? A team that can only pay you the same the Lakers will?
Ariza is taking $5.6 million as an insult?
Obvious attempt to try and make the Lakers jump.
I don't buy it.
I would love to play poker against this guy.
There is too much talk how Ariz and Odom are people you can't let go of.
I love both players, and I would love to see them back. But's lets be real, they are both compliment players to the Lakers core.
Kobe
Pau
Bynum.
If the Lakers lose them, then there are other hugely talented guys teh Lakers can pick up. Team chemistry is important, but as long as you have a strong core, any good players can excel with them and win.
Magic and Kareem
Bird and McHale
Jordan and Pippen
Duncan and Parker
Malone and Stockton
Kobe and Shaq
All these cores had interchangable parts to their teams, and they all excelled.
Should we lose Ariza, or Odom, it is not the end of the world for the Lakers.
My feeling is the only way Ariza leaves is if someone offers him more money. And honestly, if he gets offered 2-3 million more. he should take it. Anyone in their right mind would take it. Any idea ho much money that is? |
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Hollywood_Randy wrote:
This is all business.
Artiza's agent is doing a terrible job for Trevor.
Stupid tactics.
Send ariza to talk to Mike brown? A team that can only pay you the same the Lakers will?
Ariza is taking $5.6 million as an insult?
Obvious attempt to try and make the Lakers jump.
I don't buy it.
I would love to play poker against this guy.
There is too much talk how Ariz and Odom are people you can't let go of.
I love both players, and I would love to see them back. But's lets be real, they are both compliment players to the Lakers core.
Kobe
Pau
Bynum.
If the Lakers lose them, then there are other hugely talented guys teh Lakers can pick up. Team chemistry is important, but as long as you have a strong core, any good players can excel with them and win.
Magic and Kareem
Bird and McHale
Jordan and Pippen
Duncan and Parker
Malone and Stockton
Kobe and Shaq
All these cores had interchangable parts to their teams, and they all excelled.
Should we lose Ariza, or Odom, it is not the end of the world for the Lakers.
My feeling is the only way Ariza leaves is if someone offers him more money. And honestly, if he gets offered 2-3 million more. he should take it. Anyone in their right mind would take it. Any idea ho much money that is?
Very good! Hopefully more people read this. Have people forgotten that we have Kobe, Gasol and Bynum? I also would love to keep the changes to a minimum but if not possible we have a very solid core.
The going to Cleveland thing is such a cheap tactic if true. I can almost read this agents mind. "Fine if the Lakers don't want to give me (I mean Ariza) more money then I will devastate Lakers fans and threaten with Cleveland. Take that Lakers fans. Ariza will now play with Lebron." |
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| Totally agree. Lakers will eventually pony up the money for Ariza 7/8/9 yr and LO 8/9/10 yr. imo. Cavs going after Artest. Pistons sign Villuenova. Portland too many small forwards. Toronto? Everyone leaving, Parker, Bosh et al. |
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| BTW. no Ariza, no LO, no rings. Lakers three rings 00/01/02 wouldn't have happened without Lakers keeping Horry who hits big shots over and over again, B Shaw, Harp, Foxy. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 01:08 PM PST
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VujacicSlovenia wrote:
But they can't offer more than the mid-level exception. And I think the Lakers should be willing to offer that.
Maybe the allure of playing with LeBron James is enticing him, but I really don't see him leaving us to go to Cleveland.
My man Vujacic is on point. He won't leave us to go to Cleveland for the same money. That makes no sense. If he does, then to hell with him. That would be an insult to the Lakers. Don't forget, he bounced around from the Knicks to the Magic before Mitch rescued and brought him home. But I don't think we shld break the bank to keep this guy. If he wnts $7-$8 million a year, let him walk. I bet we could get RonRon for the MLE and concentrate on Lamar. |
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| Its the nature of the business in contract negotiation. Certain agents like to use the media as a pressure tactic which actually reflects badly on the player. The Lakers offer midlevel exception type numbers, the Ariza camp appear hurt and insulted and say we are talking to a competitor - the Cavs, the Lakers counter with we have Mr. Artest on the other line. The Ariza camp comes back and says Toronto and Portland are making huge multiyear offers. It is all just a game. The key is the Lakers want Ariza and Ariza wants the Lakers. It is like a job interview where you love the company and the company loves you. Even though you love the company, you are still going to try to negotiate the highest salary possible and the company is going to try to get you for the lowest salary possible. In the end, usually both sides give in a little and settle in the middle salary range. I see the end game with Ariza playing out this way. |
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| "willing to bet my life, Ariza leaves", double reserve jinx... worked with the championship run.. haha |
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HAHAHAHA, hilarious, Urkle! ROTFLMAO  |
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| I hope some newbie doesnt take it out of context and start bashing me out of the blue.. |
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| I may be new to this site but I'm not new to Laker basketball. Time on this site does not make an expert |
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| jklem2000: no disrespect, people just have a funny way of reading things and then posting non sense. |
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| The one thing we can't do is drag this thing out, lose out on trev and RonRon and maybe Lamar. We need closure, need it soon. |
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| must be some kind of reasons for role players to run from a championship caliber team or is it simply money over ring? |
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jklem2000 wrote:
BTW. no Ariza, no LO, no rings. Lakers three rings 00/01/02 wouldn't have happened without Lakers keeping Horry who hits big shots over and over again, B Shaw, Harp, Foxy.
Okay yes we lose our hustle player, and our second "clutch" player, but we gain a defensive monster that will do the roll that kobe hasnt had in previous years. Ron will help the lakers to a repeat. |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 08:08 AM PST
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Then there was Trevor Ariza, who apparently fell victim to one of the worst situations for a free agent: not knowing that he didn't know. When he publicly balked at the Lakers' initial offer, he didn't seem to be aware the world champs had Artest waiting on the other line prepared to jump at just about any offer.
What happened after that is a mystery except to Ariza and his agent. A source said the Cavs presented the exact same offer to Ariza as the Houston Rockets, five years at the mid-level, which is expected to be around $33 million total.
David Lee, his agent, told NBA.com that Ariza turned down more money than that from the Toronto Raptors, who potentially had the cap space to exceed the mid-level exception. So Ariza apparently liked the fit in Houston even though the Rockets may be without stars Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady for much of next season.
http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf ... _cava.html
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"Riding off Kobe's coattail ain't bad," Odom said, laughing. "He's got something special going around. I've got to be around. I've got to be one of the apostles. There was no way I was going to pass up playing with Kobe, Pau, Andrew and Ron-Ron."
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