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Post subject: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:42 AM PST
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First off, great game by the Lakers.
I think my heart rate has finally returned to somewhere below 100 beats per millisecond.
Ariza is the hero as far as I am concerned; without his great play to start the second half, there is no last-second shots for Fisher to take. (What a meltdown by Orlando too).
In any case, two quick questions:
1) Should Gasol have dunked with 3s left?
2) Will Pietrus be suspended for the double-arm shove in Gasol's back?
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:50 AM PST
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Question 1: Why shouldnt Gasol dunk it?
Question 2: Pietrus will not get suspended...did they even call it a fragrant in the game? |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:53 AM PST
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| yes, gasol should have dunked it of course.. youre behind enemy lines, you gotta put ur stamp on it.. if it was in the staples, then no he shouldnt.. theres a difference being away--youre geting slapped around, u gotta shove them back especially on their homecourt! pietrus on the other hand should have let that go, but won be suspended.. although the two fists to the back is a pretty dangerous move.. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:55 AM PST
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^^ KingTrobe, 1) It's considered running up the score when the other team has no chance. That is, with 3 seconds left, just run the clock out.
2) Yes it was called a flagrant foul, but that doesn't matter. Even a non-call can be upgraded to a Flagrant-2 + suspension. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:56 AM PST
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 02:57 AM PST
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Yes Gasol should have dunked it, absolutely. As far as I'm concerned, that match was a dogfight and even the refs were calling BS and rage was building up in the Lakers. Gasol's dunk pretty much wrapped up the series if the Lakers keep their heads on straight. I thought that dunk really sent home a message, and I was glad to see Gasol get up in Pietrus' face once he got shoved, great to see he didn't back down. Soft? I think not!
As for Pietrus, I don't think he will be suspended even though the play was incredibly stupid. But at that point all his energy was spent and he was pissed. I think he should get fined, but not suspended...that just gives Orlando fans an excuse. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:06 AM PST
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| That was a nasty two handed punch to the back- I'm not so sure that the league won't suspend Pietrus for that. Pau's instinct was to dunk the ball- it's to make sure that the ball goes in the hoop, to seal the game. Now if he had passed it out to another Laker who then takes a 3 at the buzzer, then that'd be uncalled for. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:09 AM PST
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Lakers4Kobe, I am 50/50 on Gasol. On the one hand, I agree with everything you say. On the other hand, the game was over and you don't want to give the fans and especially the other team a reason to fight harder in the next game. (Imagine the situation were reversed in Game 2 and Dwight did this...that alone would motivate LA in the next game).
I'm not sure what the official rule about using two hands to the back when someone goes up for a dunk, but we DO know that the league has not been shy about dishing out suspensions. I don't want them to have any excuses, so I really hope they do not, but if they do then Orlando has no chance in Game 5. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:13 AM PST
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| As far as I'm concerned, that play was still ongoing when Pau got the ball. I've watched it over and over, and if other plays are still running down the court towards then the play is still in motion and you treat like any other possession, end of the game or not. Hell yes, dunk that ball. Nasty move by Pietrus, really pleased Gasol got up in his face about it. Next game will be very interesting, to say the least. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:18 AM PST
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The only situation Pau shouldn't have dunked it was if it was a blow out.
I love that Pau dunked it because it's showing he doesn't care and has fire.
It was not beating a team when it was down. It was putting their foot on their throat. It's the finals, No one is here to make friends.
Pietrus should have been thrown out of the game and he should be suspended. If he just hacked Pau, or pushed him, then you let that go. But he pounded Pau with two closed fists. That is more than dirty, that is a punch, or two punches. Total bad decision on Pietrus' part and he should pay the price.
If Raffer Alston gets suspended for a little smack the back of House's head, then the league needs to be consistent and suspend Pietrus for his actions.
Pietrus does not make or break the Magic, toss him. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:24 AM PST
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| No excuse for Pietrus shove.. but maybe that helped Pau get even nastier and ready to ball in game 5. As far as Pau's dunk, it would be stupid not to score another two points given how the game went.. especially knowing how Orlando hits crazy shots (it's actually a compliment to them, not an insult). If you noticed when Pau got mad, Rashard Lewis (who had a clear view)tried to talk to him nicely.. he knew Pau had a right to dunk and Pietrus was stupid. I don't think anyone else on the Magic took that dunk to heart, because they would've done the same thing in that situation |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 03:31 AM PST
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| Hollywood Randy, I disagree about Pietrus not making or breaking them. I thought he played really well tonight and forced Kobe into some tough shots. Without him, they'll have Lee and Redick to deal with him. I say NO way does Orlando win without him in Game 5. |
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Post subject: RE: Should Gasol have Dunked? Should Pietrus get Suspended?
Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:11 AM PST
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| its gunna get reviewed and i guarantee he will be suspended.. he should.. if that was kobe, or even just a LAKER, hed get suspended.. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:19 AM PST
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BigD wrote:
Lakers4Kobe, I am 50/50 on Gasol. On the one hand, I agree with everything you say. On the other hand, the game was over and you don't want to give the fans and especially the other team a reason to fight harder in the next game. (Imagine the situation were reversed in Game 2 and Dwight did this...that alone would motivate LA in the next game).
Exactly!!!! The LAST thing you want to do is enrage the other team. Frankly I think if Pau just dribbled the ball out, we would've won game 5. Now the Magic feel disrespected and are going to come out with a vengeance on Sunday. I know we feel like we won the championship tonight BUT WE DIDN'T. Our achilles heel this entire season has been arrogance, and if we expect the Magic to lay down, especially after that play, we are mistaken. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:21 AM PST
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I think Pau was still in battle mode when he dunked it. Pau is as professional as they get and kicking the enemy while being down is not his style. It was a good dunk.
Pietrus should be suspeneded if rules were broken. Bad intentions were clearly there. Had Pau not held to the rim, it could have been worse. It takes a lot for a person like Pau to get angry and he was up for a real fight.
I think I have more of a problem with Berry, Wilbon and the other guy for saying Pau should not have put himself in that position. In other words, Pau knew he what he was getting himself into. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:39 AM PST
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ORLANDO, Fla. -- Mickael Pietrus' two-handed shove into Pau Gasol's back in the final seconds of Game 4 was the first flagrant foul of the NBA Finals and will automatically be reviewed Friday by the league office.
League rules mandate that all flagrants are subjected to a next-day video review for possible fine, suspension or downgrade.
Anything more severe than a fine in this case is believed to be unlikely, but players and coaches have grown accustomed this postseason to waiting for the outcome of the review. Entering the Finals, 14 flagrant fouls in these playoffs had either been upgraded, downgraded or assessed retroactively on fouls that weren't ruled flagrant during the game via the review process.
On the play in question, Pietrus chopped down hard into Gasol's back with both arms as the Spaniard was throwing down his second straight dunk in the final minute of overtime to seal the Los Angeles Lakers' 99-91 victory, good for a 3-1 series lead.
Gasol reacted angrily to the hit after briefly hanging on the rim and quickly confronted Pietrus, with each player getting hit with a technical foul after they were separated.
The foul, ruled a Flagrant Foul Penalty 1, was Pietrus' first flagrant of the postseason. It was also the first technical foul of the postseason for either player, after Gasol's technical against Denver on May 21 in the Western Conference finals was rescinded.
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:44 AM PST
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Loss hurts, but expected Pietrus suspension should finish Magic
June 12, 2009
By Ken Berger
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Rather than waste your time by going point-by-point through the Magic's catastrophic meltdown in Game 4 of the NBA Finals Thursday night, we'll start with something else.
We'll start with the one mistake that had the least to do with the outcome of this game -- a 99-91 overtime victory by the Lakers, giving them a commanding 3-1 series lead -- because it could, and should have the most to do with the outcome of the next game.
A team can overcome 15 missed free throws, 17 turnovers, a blown 12-point lead at home, Dwight Howard morphing into Nick Anderson at the free-throw line and the inability to defend or run an inbounds play at the most crucial point in the game. It would be hard, but the Magic could recover from all those things and win Game 5, because that is what they do. Since proving their mettle by taking down the defending champion Celtics, the Magic have been the most resilient team this postseason. Hats off to them for that.
But what they wouldn't be able to overcome is a decision that I believe should be coming from the NBA office on Friday. When Stu Jackson and his admirals look at the replay of Mickael Pietrus' vicious, dangerous foul on Pau Gasol with 3.4 seconds left in overtime Thursday night, I believe he will have no choice but to suspend Pietrus for Game 5.
For a team that is coming off a crippling loss -- the kind that breaks your will -- losing Pietrus would be devastating. He has become a key shot-maker and the closest thing the Magic have to a Kobe stopper. It would be the knockout blow.
But that's just too bad. Rules are rules.
"I just tried to finish the play and finish hard and somebody kind of punched me from behind," Gasol said. "To be honest, it wasn't a push; it was more of a punch. They were frustrated. I understand that, because it's hard to lose on your home floor and probably lose opportunities and chances to win this Final. But at the same time, you've got to be careful. You can't play too dirty or try to hurt somebody because that's punishable."
In addition to all their self-inflicted wounds, the Magic will spend the next two days lamenting some calls that didn't go their way. They'll point to Kobe Bryant's elbow connecting with Jameer Nelson's jaw on a double-team that led to Derek Fisher's 3-pointer, making it 94-91 with 31.3 seconds left in OT. They'll curse out loud when they see the replay that showed Trevor Ariza stepping out of bounds when he gathered in an offensive rebound leading to the aforementioned 3-pointer. But those are just calls, and sometimes the refs miss them.
What Pietrus did was inexcusable.
Pietrus was given a flagrant foul-penalty one by the referees, and each player received a technical. I was surprised to learn after the game, however, that the initial impression of league officials was that the foul will stand as called. But with the benefit of a more extensive replay review, several factors will jump out to Jackson and his staff and make it difficult for them not to upgrade it to a flagrant-two -- and perhaps, in my opinion, even suspend Pietrus for a game. That's what I think should happen.
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 04:52 AM PST
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1.) So, you're a 7-footer, just under the rim, OT, 4th game on Finals, a guy coming to you like a train, and what are you going to do, try a layup?. Pau did what he have to do like the smart player he is. Get the 2+1, and seal the game. I'm pretty sure about Pau would do the same at Staples, at Olympics, at Barcelona, even at home playing against his brothers. And i'm sure he didn´t dunk to send a message to anyone...just take a look how cool he went against Pietrus after the foul. Not looking for revenge at all.
2.) Pietrus must be suspended for that one. But he will not be suspended at all, the same way at WCF nobody was suspended. NBA just take care about elbows...and those "pushing a guy in the air without playing the ball at all" plays are most dangerous for sure. IMO, the League must take a closer look to those plays, and maybe make some changes. The message you're sending the young guys playing out there (you can push a guy on his back when he's on air, and won´t be punished) is pretty bad, IMO. |
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suspension definitely.
It was malicious. |
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Flixos, it will be interesting to see their decision, that's for sure. I don't want Orlando to have any excuses when they loose (which is why I was personally happy to see Nelson back in action), but I agree that, if Gasol's hands slip off the rim, he could have been severely injured.
However, what Pietrus has going for him is his reputation. The guy is not dirty, so, in criminal terms, this would be like a "first offense". At the end of the day, I bet he gets suspended though. It will be the closed fists that does him in. |
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Flixos, it will be interesting to see their decision, that's for sure. I don't want Orlando to have any excuses when they loose (which is why I was personally happy to see Nelson back in action), but I agree that, if Gasol's hands slip off the rim, he could have been severely injured.
However, what Pietrus has going for him is his reputation. The guy is not dirty, so, in criminal terms, this would be like a "first offense". At the end of the day, I bet he gets suspended though. It will be the closed fists that does him in.
Man, first of all, everytime i see your avatar (Magic rising an MVP award), it makes me smile. Thanks for that.
From a basketball point of view, and i mean just for the joy of seeing the best guys on court all the time, of course i want Pietrus in the next game. That's for sure. He's a good guy, and the whole play was about frustration. I know what that is. In a summer championship, against a younger team, we won easily that game. And, in the last play, the ball was loose, and i run to save it before it went out of the bounds...and i was pushed out of the court, and slammed on the floor. I'm 20 years older than that guy...but i became ungry. That was a bad, stupid foul. You can hurt somebody doing that. And that is the message that i wanted to put really clear to that guy. Two minutes later, all was fine, shacking hands...but what if i got injured in that play?. That's why i think the League is not going to suspend Pietrus for this one, but they must do a good work on summer to change the rules a bit in those types of calls. |
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Posted: Jun 12, 2009 - 05:23 AM PST
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The NBA office has a tough decision. If it were just a slight push in the back that would not merit even considering a suspension. I'm not even saying that Pietrus is a dirty player, but that was a very dirty play. From watching the replay, it's evident that it was a two-fisted, clenched fist punch to Gasol's back and it's a wonder that he didn't get hurt on the play. Pau had every right to get in his face about it. Very, very, very strange play on the part of Pietrus.
With the Lakers only having a 5 point lead before that play, Pau would have been stupid to not go ahead and finish the play and score. We've all seen much stranger things in just a few seconds than have a 5 point lead evaporate.
There will be no rescinding of this flagrant foul, but somehow I don't think they will upgrade it to a flagrant 2 and order the suspension. I do have a feeling it will help add some fire to the Lakers attempt to close out the Magic on Sunday. |
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| What an idiot question (No Dan, calling the question idiotic, not you, but I guess it had to be asked!). This was a finals game for pete sake. You dunk and insulate your team from any strange shenanigans that can be thought up by the referees in this game. You are running up a score when you are up by about 16, not when you are up by 6 in a finals. Pietrus should be suspended. I am tired of namby-pamby political correctness creeping even into our team sports. People in the USA have all lost their balls! |
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| Well, last time I checked, there are 48 minutes in a game and not 47 minutes and 55 seconds. If the game was out of reach, why were the Magic trying to score on the play before? What Pietrus did deserves a suspension in my book. There have been suspensions for a lot less, dished out to players this season - Alston's swipe at Curry's head for instance. The league needs to be consistent and punish accordingly. |
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flixos wrote:
1.) So, you're a 7-footer, just under the rim, OT, 4th game on Finals, a guy coming to you like a train, and what are you going to do, try a layup?. Pau did what he have to do like the smart player he is. Get the 2+1, and seal the game. I'm pretty sure about Pau would do the same at Staples, at Olympics, at Barcelona, even at home playing against his brothers. And i'm sure he didn´t dunk to send a message to anyone...just take a look how cool he went against Pietrus after the foul. Not looking for revenge at all.
Reading this post from the beginning i was starting to think that nobody would say it..."So, you're a 7-footer, just under the rim, OT, 4th game on Finals, a guy coming to you like a train, and what are you going to do, try a layup?."
A dunk is not only to have fun is simply to ensure a basket and 2 points, and in this case to safe the integrity of Pau
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| Looking at the film clip, I think Gasol should have come down clutching his left arm, as if his shoulder was out of whack, while collapsing to the floor. This is a game-suspension flagrant, but we all know that the League is corrupt, and the only way to get them to do what should be done is if they think that Gasol was injured. Then, after the acting job, you get the Laker FO to say that Gasol might be too greviously injured to play any more games in the series. After all that, hopefully after Pietrus has been suspended, you wheel him out in a wheelchair (he can ask Pierce to lend him Marmaduke for the occasion), with his left arm in a sling, have him take the sling off, and start Game 5! After all, NBA basketball, is also gamemanship. |
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| His actions, TO ME, seemed to intentionally hurt Pau as he used his elbows and forearms. he could have easily just pushed with his hands but he didn't. What if Pau came down awkward due to that and tore up his knee or ankle??? SUSPENSION IS WARRANTED! Also what I liked is how Pau reacted, I like when he gets aggressive and stick's up for himself. |
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It is the finals and it is a battle out there..yes Pau should have dunked it and it's no way a sign of disrespect from Pau Gasol. It was a close game and they have to make sure that the hole was deep enough to bury the opponent. Pietrus should get suspended..his fists seem to be closed while trying to foul Pau and it was a dangerous one.
On the other note what do you think of Howard giving a show to the fans by shooting on half court. I think it is a little bit immature considering they are playing in the finals. |
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| That was a two handed punch and not a shove IMO. Gasol should definitely have dunked it and Pietrus should get suspended. |
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agree with most of the people here. look at pietrus' fists and downward movement. you'd imagine seeing that in a ufc fight or something. that definitely would've been felt hard on pua's back, and thats probably why the "gentle giant" went to retaliate. pietrus DEFINITELY deserves to be suspended, but probably wont be.
and most definitely pau should've dunked that ball! good lord, this game was so close that even 3 or 4 secs left on the clock seemed like enough time for any team to get the lead. |
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This is the question I've been waiting for.... b/c i've watched this over and over again (psh.. i should be hired in the NBA for watching this clip probably more times than they have)
if you watch the scenario fold out, when fisher got his hands on the ball after it was batted around, the magic players (among them, nelson and lewis) were coming at him like they were going to intentionally foul him (no doubt they were going to do it... even breen said so himself)
then fish threw that cross court pass to ariza... once ariza got it... howard goes over him to foul him, so ariza gave it up to an open gasol. Gasol, watching the entire play fold out, NATURALLY would think to dunk it, not dribble it out where he would get foul and be sent to the free throw...
if gasol had a fault (and i'm being as non-biased as i can in this whole scenario) it would be that he didn't look at the clock.... but seriously who would look up (when you're literally under the rim) and think 4 seconds = game over for them = should dribble the ball out and let time expire..... what gasol was probably thinking was... they're trying to draw the foul, I'm going to flush it in to close this out
now for mikael pietras' case.... he should get suspend... that's the bottom line (again.. being non-baised here)... when i first saw that hit, i didn't think it was in a form of a fist.... but open palm, just pushed him, not going for the ball which is a technical... but closed fist, literally pounded him with his fist....
what was probably going through his head was frustration (whether b/c they lost or b/c he should've made that FG at the end of regulation)... and since the magic were on the losing end and was thinking more about the clock than we were, thought we were running up the score........... but it leans more to frustration (don't know if he was thinking about the whole run up the score deal)
whether or not he'll get suspended remains to be seen... the whole playoff system is outta whack.... kobe and dwight's multiple technicals... fisher getting suspended on that stunt against scola... howard elbowing perkins (which i didn't think it was that intentional in the first place), alston slapping house in the back of the head...... and then there was the jones tripping kobe intentionally.........
i think he should get suspended...... but i wouldn't be surprised to see him on the floor on sunday..
later guys... b/c i must of lost 5 years watching this game |
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| Why are all these wanna-be Kobe Stoppers such dirty players? Hammer fists in the back of someone above the rim? Very classy. The move clearly warrants a suspension but I hope he plays the next game so Kobe can embarrass him some more. Mikael "Popcorn" Pietrus! |
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| gasol did the right thing, we have worked so hard to get to this moment that we never want to let it slip away |
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| Hell yeah! he should have dunked it. Could you imagine a lay up?? BURN BABY BURN!!!!! |
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| Regardless what Gasol did was right or wrong does not justify what Pietrus did. Just look at the Slow Mo of that play and you'll see that the play was not on the ball whatsoever and was clearly meant to hurt Gasol. This definitely merits a suspension. I've seen players get suspended with lesser foul. |
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| The game was over, 3.4 seconds, up by 5, he shouldn't have dunked. In fact, Ariza had the ball and Dwight approached him with his hands up, he wasn't going to foul. The Magic had already given up. In one sense it was disrespectful, I know a lot of us didn't feel like the game was over but it was. Magic are going to be stewing about this now and will play with anger/passion on Sunday rather than playing with a defeated attitude. Gasol made a mistake in my opinion. |
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| sedale_threatt - the game is never over in the NBA finals, if you have a chance to close out a game for good, you do just that.. To avoid the Magic from trying to stop the clock and fouling Ariza, Ariza needed to move the ball and the only player on that side of the court was Gasol. Gasol did the right thing.. what is he supposed to do under the basket all alone? Besides, if the Magic gave up, then why would pietrus come running down to foul him? Gasol was point blank from the basket, Pietrus was some feet away... |
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LakerSUNDALO! wrote:
sedale_threatt - the game is never over in the NBA finals, if you have a chance to close out a game for good, you do just that.. To avoid the Magic from trying to stop the clock and fouling Ariza, Ariza needed to move the ball and the only player on that side of the court was Gasol. Gasol did the right thing.. what is he supposed to do under the basket all alone? Besides, if the Magic gave up, then why would pietrus come running down to foul him? Gasol was point blank from the basket, Pietrus was some feet away...
Gasol should have done a two handed windmill (dont know if he could pull it off) and maybe did a little taunting afterwards just to show the doubters and haters whats up. |
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| NBA just reviewed and said no further action agasint Pietrus..he will play game 5 |
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At first thought, I didn't think Pau should have dunked the ball.
Now, haven't we been wanting someone other than Kobe that's out there to kill their opponent? I think we have, and I really liked how Pau got in Pietrus' face and was ready to take on him and Rashard Lewis.
Onto Pietrus..............
I didn't think it looked that bad when I first saw it in real time, but after the replay, how can he not be suspended? It wasn't just a shove like Dahntay Jones did to Kobe while he was dunking, it was two closed fist straight up in the air going for Gasol. Is that really a basketball play?
I don't want Pietrus to be suspended, but the league has to do it. If they're gonna suspend Amare and Diaw for going onto the court, in a series that they probably would've won(IMO), then they have to suspend Pietrus.
This was my original answer ----------- Gasol should NOT have dunked & Pietrus should get suspended
This is my answer now ------------ Gasol should have dunked & Pietrus should NOT get suspended
I don't want any excuses for the Magic, but it looks like there's going to be one. Good luck Lee and JJ.......... |
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| If you suspend Pietrus then you need to suspend Kobe for the elbow to the face before Fish's three pointer. I say it is a wash, let them play. |
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I don't think Gasol should've dunked. It looked like Orlando was ready to concede the game, and if Gasol just dribbled it out of the paint, they wouldn't have fouled, and it would've been over.
As for Pietrus' foul, watching it live, it didn't look like a big deal at all. I thought Pietrus must've said something to Gasol to get him so angry (don't think I've ever seen Gasol that angry), but after review, it looked like a flagrant two foul. Should he? Yeah, at least in my opinion. But the better question is of course: Will he? I say no. They didn't suspend Dahntay Jones for basically the same thing, how can they justify suspending Pietrus? |
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| The NBA has spoken so I guess it's a mute point. Let's get ready for Sunday!!! |
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| It is the end of overtime in an extremely hard fought Finals game. Gasol gets a pass under the basket and is wide open. Of course he should slam it home. It is the heat of battle and a warrior takes no prisoners. He was not taunting the Magic or doing a 360 showboat dunk. He was just slamming the door on the Magic's championship dreams. The Pietrus play was dirty and could have seriously hurt Gasol as he was in a vulnerable position. It wouldn't surprise me at all if someone like Bynum puts Pietrus on his back in Game 6. I am glad there was no suspensions because I don't want any Magic excuses and a suspension might have been a rallying point for the Magic like it was for us the game Fisher got suspended. |
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maraud wrote:
If you suspend Pietrus then you need to suspend Kobe for the elbow to the face before Fish's three pointer. I say it is a wash, let them play.
I agree. It's actually the refs that let it get so physical. Gasol had every right to dunk. He wasn't padding his stats or trying to rub it in the Magic's faces. He was wide open. If he dribbles and gets it stolen, then what? Everyone would be saying why didn't Pau dunk it! |
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| Spankee, why don't you look at the play again. If anything they should have called a foul on Nelson's chin for rushing up there and trying to break Bryant's elbow with it at the last second. It was his own momentum that did the damage. |
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VujacicSlovenia wrote:
I don't think Gasol should've dunked. It looked like Orlando was ready to concede the game, and if Gasol just dribbled it out of the paint, they wouldn't have fouled, and it would've been over.
As for Pietrus' foul, watching it live, it didn't look like a big deal at all. I thought Pietrus must've said something to Gasol to get him so angry (don't think I've ever seen Gasol that angry), but after review, it looked like a flagrant two foul. Should he? Yeah, at least in my opinion. But the better question is of course: Will he? I say no. They didn't suspend Dahntay Jones for basically the same thing, how can they justify suspending Pietrus?
Totally agree. If Pau dribbled it out of the paint they would have let him go, the game was over. Now rather than feeling defeated, the Magic are angry, that's the last thing we wanted.
As for Pietrus, I think he should have tossed for the game, but that's it. It doesn't warrant a suspension, no more than Kobe's elbow to Jameer. |
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