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    Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 29, 2008 - 01:38 PM PST
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    Not gonna happen. At least not for Lamar Odom.
     
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    how can the deal happen it has to match within 125% of the salaries and the lakers already have a full roster. Why are you so over odom once we had signed gasol odom took his game to another level even to his detractors he deserves at least up till the feb trade deadline to prove himself not that he needs to in my opinion

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    Smith for Lamar would hurt us in the SF position! don't do it.

    The only reasonable trade for Lamar would be Shawn Marion.

    If it isn't Shawn Marion, Then don't trade Lamar

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    Do it. Get it done!!!!!!!!
     
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    guys the man averages 18 and 8 and he basically was the factor in the hawks-celtics series. you guys say he cant play small forward? why cant he , first of all we dont need anymore three point shooters, we got vujacic, kobe, d fish, and maybe walton and vlad, but we all have our pros and cons about those two. odom yes can shoot the three, but odoms game is getting to the rim and drawing fouls and gettin rebounds. josh smith does the same thing people, and hell dunk on you. who are we kiddin , hes younger and is solid an consistent so um odom for smith definately. but the only thing is the contract issue , they dont connect, nut still whoever thinks this trade is nonsense is completely out of their mind.
     
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    This won´t happen, and Im crossing my fingers, hoping that Mitch isn´t dumb enough to pull the trigger on this....

    Smith is a great player, but really immature and a Head case, he still needs to develop some parts of his game and we are already developing other players, we need to get key pieces that helps the lakers in moving forward....

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    I think you cannot say enough about good team chemistry. The team got along so well last season as so many of the players are quoted as saying. That is probably a huge reason they did so well. Kobe said many things to that effect when receiving his MVP award. Even Turiaf leaving will have a small effect on the team chemistry.

    Lamar is not perfect........but I agree with the thought that he was crucial to their success and in making it to the finals. His numbers went up when Gasol arrived, and I think he is now comfortable in his role on the Lakers.

    If you say Smith has more potential.......maybe.........but what Lamar brings to a team is much better for the Lakers with who they have now.
     
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    his potential is just too much to pass up on. i mean lamar has all the potential in the world but he never shows it. smith is only 22 and is already on lamars coattails in terms of productivity. if we get the chance for a sign and trade and maybe get to throw in vlad or luke to help sweeten the deal for us then i say make the trade.
     
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    Can we get a valid topic? These fairytale scenario's are way out there. And for the record, Josh Smith will cost too much and his game doesn't fit the triangle at all. Putting him the triangle is like forcing a square peg in a round hole. LO's skills are perfect for this offense. He will average a double/double in pts/rbs and get about 7-9 assist's per game next year. He'll almost average a triple double. Read it here first
     
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    Odom handles the ball way better then Smith and is not immature and will be fine being the fourth option. Smith wants a 12 million plus contract and to be the number two man next to johnson, people want to forget this part of TEAM play when they are talking about potential, yet very unlikely, trades

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    i know that some posters on here dont think that josh smith will be the answer for us at the three and to some extent, they may be right, but what i look at is since we have gasol playing the four, we need a better finisher at the three. lamar got many of his points off of gasols passes and i really think it would be best to have a guy that can be aggressive and finish strong like smith. realistically speaking, lamar is just not aggressive enough nor is he a great finisher. i think smith can thrive with gasol and bynum in the lineup and at age 23, he can still improve his outside shot where odom has peaked and is probably not going to get any better.

    this artest to houston trade is definitely worrying me and if there is a way that we can improve our three spot by getting a more agressive player than odom, then i think we should go for it. i dont want to go into next seasons playoffs talking about our lack of toughness and aggression again.

    btw, im sure this is nothing more than an offseason rumor.

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    Smith might work out, but it is hard to say. The thing Mitch should not do if make a knee jerk reaction to the Artest news and make a move for Smith just because it appears Houston is better.

    Smith does have a lot of upside, but LA has a delicate balance to keep with the team. You want to have the right mix of established talent (Kobe, Gasol, Fish, etc...) and up and coming talent (Farmar, Bynum, Sasha, etc...). Trading LO for Smith could upset the proper balance with the team or it could vastly improve it.

    The one other issue is the money. Does Buss want to lock in Bynum, KB, Smith, Gasol for 6 years running. I know this is the same question with LO, so I guess either way Buss has to decide how much he will dig into those deep pockets.
     
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    I think the front office needs to get aggressive and make some moves. LO has already established himself to be nothing more than a decent rebounder, an above average passer who posesses one ugly jump shot and crumbles when asked to do more. Then again I'm just a fan and not the one signing the cheque.

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    To any doubters of Smith: He is the best slasher in the NBA, he's in the top 5 toughest in the NBA, and to me, a top 3 defender. He gets 3 blocks a game and a steal or two... What does Lamar do that's better? Smith scores better, defends MUCH better, attacks and finishes better, and has WAY MORE upside. He's 22!!!!!!!! All Lamar does better is rebound, and we don't need a rebounding specialist at the 3, considering that we have Gasol and Bynum down low.
     
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    Josh Smith is waiting. He's been waiting all summer, of course, for the Atlanta Hawks to figure out whether they'll give him the kind of deal he thinks he's worth, which is something more than the six-year, $66 million contract that guard Monta Ellis received last week from the Golden State Warriors. Smith, after all, can not only score, but rebound (8.2 per game last year) and block shots (2.6 per game). With the Hawks seemingly desperate for a win after losing sixth man Josh Childress, it seems that Smith is sitting in a position of power in these negotiations.


    But things aren't how they seem. Hawks management vowed, entering free agency, to keep the negotiations with Childress and Smith separate, and they're apparently sticking with that vow. Even in light of Childress's departure, Atlanta -- which made an in-season offer of five years, $45 million to Smith -- is still playing hardball. In fact, the Atlanta Journal Constitution reported yesterday that the Hawks are weighing at least two sign-and-trade offers for Smith, and that a sign-and-trade might be the only recourse for the team.

    If the Childress process is any indication, though, the Hawks are not too keen on a sign-and-trade. Childress himself said there were two championship-level teams interested in talking sign-and-trade with the Hawks, and Suns VP David Griffin confirmed that Phoenix was one of those teams. "We were open to talking about it, but it never got very far," Griffin said.

    Childress's agent, Lon Babby, confirmed that. "Phoenix was as close as we came to getting something done on a sign-and-trade. But I never got the sense that the Hawks were interested in that route."

    Pulling off a sign-and-trade, of course, means taking back salary roughly the equivalent of the first year of the signee's new contract. The Hawks could make a deal that would send Smith away - perhaps to the Los Angeles Lakers for Lamar Odom, one of the rumored deals out there -- here's what Atlanta would really be getting in that case: one year of Odom, at $14.5 million. His contract is up after this year, and the Hawks would probably lose Odom next summer.

    If they keep Smith, they will either force him to reduce his salary demands or force him to accept a one-year tender offer. Because Smith was a fairly low draft pick (No. 17), his one-year deal would be just $3.1 million. Why trade Smith away for one year of Odom at $14.5 million when you could keep Smith for one year at $3.1 million?

    Sure, a ticked-off Smith might not be good for team chemistry. But Odom would be ticked off about such a trade, too. He'd be much more expensive, and it does not seem that the Hawks are keen on throwing money around at this point. It's hard to see how a sign-and-trade would work here.

    Slow trade winds I

    If you're a Los Angeles Clippers fan hoping the team will turn around and re-trade center Marcus Camby in a sign-and-trade with the Hawks for Smith, take a deep breath. Not going to happen.

    Under NBA rules, Camby can be traded straight up only for another player who makes about the same salary. He is scheduled to make $8 million next year. The Clippers can't throw in another player to boost the salary number. The only way a sign-and-trade deal would work is if Smith agrees to it, and in such a scenario, the most Smith could make would be about six years, $61 million.

    And, again, the Hawks would not want to trade one year of Smith at $3.1 million for two years of Camby at $15 million-plus, combined.

    Slow trade winds II

    All is quiet on the Shawn Marion front in Miami. Maybe a little too quiet. The trade rumors have subsided, and says one general manager, "I don't know that I would say they're shopping him or anything."

    Keep in mind that though Marion and the Miami Heat did not reach an agreement about an extension before the opt-out deadline in late June -- they were far apart in those negotiations -- there's no reason the sides can't continue to negotiate and come to an agreement on an extension now.

    The big reason that is not happening is that Miami wants to protect next year's cap space. The rumors about the Heat's plan to pursue Utah Jazz forward Carlos Boozer next summer have been so persistent that even Boozer said this weekend, "I live in Miami -- I'm going there no matter what I do, that's home for me. That's just talk -- I've been talked about in rumors my whole career. ... It might be because they have a need for a power forward, that I live in the area, and that you guys keep writing about it."

    But, think about it for a moment. Would Pat Riley rather have Boozer on a max contract, or Marion on a shorter deal at a better rate? Boozer is four years younger and a better player offensively, but can't come close to matching Marion's defense -- and Riley appreciates defense. The Heat are not yet certain whether rookie Michael Beasley will be a small forward or a power forward, and the benefit of keeping Marion is that he can handle either role, allowing Beasley to develop in whatever way the organization sees fit.

    Getting Boozer means Beasley is a small forward, period. Perhaps the Heat should alter their plans.

    Miles away

    Oklahoma City struck out in its attempt to pry C.J. Miles from the Jazz with a four-year, $15 million offer. The nickname-less wonders had balanced the deal to increase Miles' salary for next year, attempting to dissuade the Jazz from matching by chewing up their cap space. It was a calculated move by Oklahoma City, because most expected the Jazz to be willing to let the sometimes-frustrating Miles walk.



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    Post subject: RE: Josh Smith to LA?  PostPosted: Jul 30, 2008 - 05:53 AM PST
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    MOST PLAYERS WISH THEY END THEIR CARRIERS AS A LAKER AND EVEN WORK AS A LAKER OFFICIAL.IF A PLAYER NEED THAT, WHY WOUNT IT BE GRANTED? I SEE MOST PLAYERS IN THE NBA AFTER THEIR CARRIES PICK UP A JOB AT THEIR OWN TEAM WHY WOUNT TI BE THE SAME WHEN IT COME TO THE TEAM AM A FAN OF. MOST TIMPORTANTLY THIS I SAY ABOUT LAMAR ODOM.IF THE PLAYER WANTS TO STAY,LET HIM STAY.THIS CAN ONLY LAST FOR HOW LONG? 2 YEARS! COMMON LET NOT BECAUSE DECISIONS ARE IN OUR HAND WE DO WHAT WE WANT.I T WOUNT BE FAIR.
     
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    lanywrights wrote:
    MOST PLAYERS WISH THEY END THEIR CARRIERS AS A LAKER AND EVEN WORK AS A LAKER OFFICIAL.IF A PLAYER NEED THAT, WHY WOUNT IT BE GRANTED? I SEE MOST PLAYERS IN THE NBA AFTER THEIR CARRIES PICK UP A JOB AT THEIR OWN TEAM WHY WOUNT TI BE THE SAME WHEN IT COME TO THE TEAM AM A FAN OF. MOST TIMPORTANTLY THIS I SAY ABOUT LAMAR ODOM.IF THE PLAYER WANTS TO STAY,LET HIM STAY.THIS CAN ONLY LAST FOR HOW LONG? 2 YEARS! COMMON LET NOT BECAUSE DECISIONS ARE IN OUR HAND WE DO WHAT WE WANT.I T WOUNT BE FAIR.


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    No dont do it bad move, im so glad a lot of people on here are not an actual GM

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    I'm told Smith isn't going anywhere, by the way. He'll eventually sign there, it's a matter of how long of a committment will Atlanta agree to make with him. Dude is an amazing athletic talent with a ton of potential, but I don't believe he's someone you build around. You build with him, yes. But he's not a centerpiece at this point of his career.

    Read the full artical here..

    http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/baske ... randy.html

    Wonder how reliable this is....

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    DO IT MITCH DOO ITTTTTTTTT!!!!
     
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