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optimistic7292
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Post subject: Kaman vs Bynum?
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 01:56 AM PST
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Well, our friends over at Clippers.TopBuzz.com started this topic:
http://clippers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-vi ... html#16004
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Figured ide make a new post instead of us talking about this in mixed trade review post. I personally think Kaman is a much better center. My reasoning is Defense,Rebounding and team play definitely are more valuable than offense. Both players play good defense and offense but Kaman is definitely a better defender. Also minus all of Kaman's double and triple teams last year he would of for sure averaged 20 ppg easy.Also Bynum many times has begged to go to the bench because he was tired.. after maybe 10 minutes of an up tempo game. What are you're thoughts?
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Kaman is a much better overall player. Kaman has the talent and works hard
Bynum has more muscle then Kaman and him being strong and young is what makes him a good player but he has no hustle and still has to prove that he can play more then 35 games. and HE CANNOT last a whole 28 minutes.
I'd pick Kaman over Bynum but we still have to wait to see what Bynum has got left ever since his injury.
Bynum has a better trainer then Kaman but he doesn't have the will power that Kaman does.
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As much as i like the way kaman's progressing, i think in a few years, if he heals, bynum can be better. he really has shown flashes of the skills and freakishly athletic ability it takes to be great.
HOWEVER: as much as he has shown his potential, he has really only played a month or 2 of solid basketball. kaman has proven over the past few years that he can ball and he has improved immensely since his rookie season.
also, with all the injuries last year, kaman became our number one option on offense(something he wasnt used to) and had either tim thomas or josh powell or nick fazekas playing power forward next to him. so basically, he wasnt in great shape. as the number one option, and with no other options down low, he was getting 2 or 3 guys thrown at him every time. yet he responded well and put up great numbers.
now bynum? was he the number one option? the 2? he was playing next to kobe and odom, which made him like the 3rd guy. so no double or triple teams for him. not to mention with odom and turiaf he had some help under the basket and didnt have to do all the work like kaman did. i noticed a lot of his shots came when kobe drove to the basket, drew bynums defender, and just dropped the ball into bynums lap for an open dunk or layup.
also, look at it this way: if u put bynum in kamans spot last year, playing alongside ppl like mobley instead of kobe, powell instead of odom, and made him the go to guy on offense, how would he fair? 5 years from now, who knows, but last year im pretty sure hed flop.
Thoughts?
Btw, let's keep it civilized. Don't go there posting just to flame. We're better than that. |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:03 AM PST
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They say Kaman is better of course, he's their center.
But 1 on 1 Bynum crushed Kaman into the ground. When Mihm came out Kaman started to score.
Offense: Bynum is overall better since he has learned the moves of the Cap'n... He clearly shown that he can score anything he gets the ball.
Defense: Bynum wins here. Blocks, 1on1 anything. His strength is just immense it's crazy and his length is the same. He touches the top of the backboard.
Speed: Kaman looks flat footed and like duck. He doesn't look as quick as Bynum.
Timing: Not too sure but I knwo Bynum gets more rebounds and blocks when he gets the time.
Athleticism: Bynum, no competition.
Yeah Kaman has better numbers but he gets a lot more time than Bynum. |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:07 AM PST
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ummmm i think this video tells the whole story..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5_gH72uDLkg
healthy bynum can.. pretty much toy with kaman,,, and some of those guys over at clippers topbuzz really need some grammar lessons,, goodness... |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:08 AM PST
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| Can't laugh too hard at that considering Kaman's last season.. pretty good on a crappy injured team. But the edge definitely goes to Bynum. It's funny you hear alot of people buzzing about Howard and Bynum.. even Oden as the future centers to dominate.. not so much talk about Kaman in that group. Although to his credit Kaman might get to that point, not yet. |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:10 AM PST
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:13 AM PST
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lmfao, I love you guys, no homo. hahahahahahaa.
Fabulicious... and bobby I used to compare Kaman and Mihm. They used to put up the same numbers but Mihm went down of course. |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:15 AM PST
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| You don't think Kaman is better individually than a healthy Mihm? |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:15 AM PST
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found this comment very interesting
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Plain and simple:
Timing: even
Offensive skills: Kaman
Defensive skills : Kaman but Bynum has the ability to break even
speed: Kaman
athletic: Kaman.
Kaman is by far the better player. Not even sure why we are comparing them.
i mean... what?! speed+athleticism.. wow... i don't see how you can give this to kaman... andrew is WAY more athletic and fast than Kaman is.. |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:16 AM PST
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| Great. The clippers fans are gushing over their center who is trying hard to be a good german but can't even speak the language. lol. They do have a point about bynum not being able to play a whole season. I just hope that he won't get injured again so that he can show the clippers fans who's the better player. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:17 AM PST
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bobbylight wrote:
You don't think Kaman is better individually than a healthy Mihm?
Well of course now he is. He developed tremendously. But when Mihm was avg. 10 and 10 it was pretty much even with Kaman having hte tab on Mihm...
And Fab, I know what you mean. Athleticism to Kaman.  |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:17 AM PST
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| Athletic? Speed? It's Bynum in that department. How can they question that? lol |
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Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:18 AM PST
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hmmm wait... can kaman or camby play PF?? how's their lineup gonna be like??
PG-davis
SG-mobley?
SF-thorton
PF-?? kaman/camby
C-?? kaman/camby |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:18 AM PST
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:20 AM PST
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I know its easy to make fun of them and flame but please stop from doing it. I could barely help my self from laughing but show some more class for Dave. It is his site too... They're just backing up their team that is horrible.  |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:20 AM PST
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| i saw video forum hella funny |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:27 AM PST
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| back a while ago, i read somewhere tat kaman only had such good numbers cuz there was no other man(or big man) to help him out, which was suppose to be brand. |
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Post subject: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:32 AM PST
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| if mihm gets healthy again...i'd say he's on par with kaman. bynum vs. kaman is like comparing "soulja boy to jay-z" oOooOooOoooO~~ hahahaa |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:36 AM PST
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DanK wrote:
if mihm gets healthy again...i'd say he's on par with kaman. bynum vs. kaman is like comparing "soulja boy to jay-z" oOooOooOoooO~~ hahahaa
Not anymore, man. Kaman is getting better but not by much. He's still a 15-10 guy. He was a 10-10 guy... Bynum is a 17-13 guy as of now(where he left off)... Mihm was getting 10-10 in 04-05 and Kaman was getting like 9-6.
Mihm will never be the 10-10 guy he was or even close at that. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:38 AM PST
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| Bynum is a lot better... |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:42 AM PST
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Bynumite_17 wrote:
DanK wrote:
if mihm gets healthy again...i'd say he's on par with kaman. bynum vs. kaman is like comparing "soulja boy to jay-z" oOooOooOoooO~~ hahahaa
Not anymore, man. Kaman is getting better but not by much. He's still a 15-10 guy. He was a 10-10 guy... Bynum is a 17-13 guy as of now(where he left off)... Mihm was getting 10-10 in 04-05 and Kaman was getting like 9-6.
Mihm will never be the 10-10 guy he was or even close at that.
In 04-05, Mihm was getting 9.8 and 6.7. Kaman was getting 9.1 and 6.7 in that year. Basically identical. Mihm's numbers weren't near 10-10.
Oh, and Kaman's stats for this year was 15.7 and 12.7. He's a 16-13 guy, not 15-10 guy. And Bynum was 13-10, but I understand the line about "where he left off". His last full game pre-injury was 25 and 17 I believe. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Kaman vs Bynum
Posted: Jul 21, 2008 - 02:47 AM PST
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| in the first game against the Clippers Bynum was 7-9 from the field with 9 reb and 6 Blocks . Kaman was 6-19 from the field with 16 Reb... |
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