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Post subject: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
 Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:21 PM PST
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Now I know alot of us here (including myself) are a little bent outta shape over the whole Kenny Thomas contract being included in a possible Artest deal, but after thinking on it for a minute, here's how I see it.
Now with the loss of Ronny we're short a back up power foward which numbers wise, Kenny is a pretty good upgrade. Not to mention he's a 30 year old veteran with pretty solid numbers. (Minus this injured season)
Now either way it goes, we have to pay 14 mil to odom. That's inevitable.
So why not spend that SAME amount of money to get 2 pieces for the price of one in Artest and Kenny?
I'm pretty sure if Ron made 14 mil hismself, most of us here would still pull that trigger in a heartbeat, or even if Ron made 13 mil and kenny only made 1 mil, we'd still do it, so really what's difference??
It's not like luke's contract where we're stuck with the guy for 5-6 seasons. He's only on the books for 2 years. Not to mention after we win these next two titles in a row we'll have 8 mil coming off the books.
So like I said, why not get 2 for 1 and fill the needs we have at the 3 and back up 4 and dominate the league for the next 5 years?
Just my thoughts.
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:33 PM PST
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You're working so hard to convince people of this LO/Artest trade that you're even trying to make Kenny Thomas and his contract sound VALUABLE?!
You sure you're not a Kings fan in disguise?!
A great, simple quote from the OTHER LO/Artest trade thread:
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Please God let's not this happen. Can we get Artest and their 1st round pick next year instead? That trade clears about $25 million in cap space for them w/in the next two years. It add's about $11 mil to ours over 2 years. I don't understand why we would take the risk of RonRon plus added contract in Thomas. I'd rather stand pat w/LO, if it doesn't work we clear $14.7 mil in cap space after next season. I feel we'll still be good enough to win w/LO. Say what you will about him, but u don't have to worry about him being arrested, abusing his dogs or having a "phantom"injury that Ron is famous for. He has been a cancer EVERY where he's been. We don't need that here.
Even by doing NOTHING, we're doing BETTER than if we make this trade. This trade would be a step backwards, at best. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:36 PM PST
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| ACtually, I've always thought Kenny Thomas had or has a pretty decent game, but the problem is that he's another tweener, and tweeners seem to always give us a mismatch in the other team's favor. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:37 PM PST
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| my suggestion is if we are going to get kenny thomas then we need to find a way to package luke or vlad with LO...i do understand your outlook lknight...oh and slakkjaw, i dont think he would have over 1500 posts on here if he was a kings fan |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:39 PM PST
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tyler wrote:
...oh and slakkjaw, i dont think he would have over 1500 posts on here if he was a kings fan
 I know he's not a Kings fan. He's a Laker fan and he wants the best for the team. I just don't think this is actually what's best for the team. |
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Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:41 PM PST
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I do see your point, but I think combined Artest and Thomas make around 16 million. But that is not here not there really. I just want us to keep Lamar. I am really afraid of Artests moodiness and strange behavior on teams. That can be so bad for a team.
Plus I just feel Lamar is a better talent then Artest. Artest beats him in defense and that is a very good trait to have, but in all other ways Lamar is the man with pushing the ball, great handles, great passing, great rebounding and decent scoring. And he shoots a higher percentage then Artest.
And if I'm not mistaken Thomas is listed at 6'7" - that just doesn't seem to be the answer for us at backup power forward. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:41 PM PST
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Hey SLaKKJaW, I am 100% sure that LKnight is not a Kings Fan. So he can't say his opinion, without being called a fan on another team?
I still would reluctant to take Thomas's contract, but I still think that Artest is the better SF then Odom. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:50 PM PST
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SLaKKJaW wrote:
tyler wrote:
...oh and slakkjaw, i dont think he would have over 1500 posts on here if he was a kings fan
I know he's not a Kings fan. He's a Laker fan and he wants the best for the team. I just don't think this is actually what's best for the team.
Oh ok, I didn't see this. Alright, I guess you were just joking.
I still think that Artest is the better SF, but you can disagree. Also, Kenny Thomas has averaged 9.7 ppg, 7.1 rbg, and 1 spg. So he can't be that bad of a player. He could possibly be a pretty good backup for Pau. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 07:59 PM PST
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I think you missed my second post in the thread.
No, I don't think he's a Lakers fan. It was a jibe at him because I feel that that trade, much like the original article that proposed it, is very biased in favor of the Kings.
Not only do the Kings up their expiring salary money by $6.5 Mil, but they also rid themselves of a contract that's held in the same contempt by them as Luke and VRad's by us...+$4Mil? From a strictly monetary point of view, Kings win.
Artest is not part of their future plans. They've said as much. They are losing nothing, basically, by giving him up. But we get volatile player that may or may not work with our system or team chemistry and another underachiever with a bad contract while giving up solid numbers and good chemistry? From a player point of view, I think the Kings win again.
We'd do better to stand pat, keep Lamar's $14.5 Mil expiring for OURSELVES and maybe even find out that Odom was the piece we really needed.
So no, again, I don't think LKnight is a Kings fan. I just think he's advocating something that favors the Kings rather than the Lakers. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:13 PM PST
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Okay so you're saying since this trades frees up money for the kings AFTER next season it's bad for us?? What the heck does that mean?? Who cares who it free's money up for? What, are they going to pick up Lebron James and knock us outta the playoffs for the next few seasons??
Either way it goes, Ron's outta there. Either to us or to a team like San Antonio or Boston then we're really screwed. Whatever contender he goes to he's going to be the missing link to a title. And I damn sure would rather play with him then against him on a team like boston.
And to add to that whether you like it or not, Phil Jackson wants Artest and Kobe has been begging for him for years. So either way it goes, he's either going to be here by trade, or by being a free agent when Odom's contract expires. So get use to it either way. (Unless like I said, Boston, or another contender can convince him otherwise.) |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:16 PM PST
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I don't understand why people keep talking about Artest's personality.
Do you people realize that Odom had been much maligned earlier in his career? He's a previous offender of the league's drug policy, and (through the media) carried that stigma of "bad locker room presence" for much of his early career. Phil Jackson has an innate quality of dealing with difficult people. Bryant, Rodman, O'Neal , Jordan (had a gambling problem and once punched Steve Kerr in a practice), Odom. I am 100% confident he can work with Artest. Artest is exactly what this team needs, and he's exactly what I hope this team gets.
Artest + Thomas > Odom + Turiaf.
Artest and Thomas make around 15 million, whereas Odom and Turiaf combined will earn around 19 million. |
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Post subject: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:17 PM PST
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(Artest is not part of their future plans. They've said as much. They are losing nothing, basically, by giving him up)
And secondly, what do you mean they lose nothing??
They lose any hope of competing for a TITLE for the next 5-6 years, that's what they lose.
They're giving us EVERYTHING we lacked in the playoffs, that's what their doing!
(Defense & Toughness) And if anyone can deny Ron brings those things to the table, their a complete fool.
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Post subject: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:21 PM PST
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VujacicSlovenia wrote:
I don't understand why people keep talking about Artest's personality.
Do you people really like Odom had been much maligned earlier in his career? He's a previous offender of the league's drug policy, and (through the media) carried that stigma of "bad locker room presence" for much for his early career. Phil Jackson has an innate quality of dealing with difficult people. Bryant, Rodman, O'Neal , Jordan (had a gambling problem and once punched Steve Kerr in a practice), Odom. I am 100% confident he can work with Artest. Artest is exactly what this team needs, and he's exactly what I hope this team gets.
Artest + Thomas > Odom + Turiaf.
Artest and Thomas make around 15 million, whereas Odom and Turiaf combined will earn around 19 million.
Thanks VS!
These guys are acting like we're adding Charles Manson to the team.
If he was that bad, I'm sure Phil wouldn't have been fined for saying how muched he'd love to coach the guy. You think for a second PJ isn't grinning from ear to ear at the thought of Kobe and Ron teaming up (defensively) in the back court??
Just about every great team has had a defensive stopper. Ron is the answer to all of that and PLUS the offense that Odom refuses to bring, so tell me again what's the problem??!
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:28 PM PST
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Here's what PJ said about Ron...
Phil Jackson Loves Ron Artest
"I don’t see how you’re going to get value out of this player who in my estimation is one of the most valuable players in the league…Of course, I estimate him perhaps higher than other people. But I think he’s a terrific player. He adds a big dimension to every game he plays in." – Phil Jackson |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:41 PM PST
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| i agree with u lknight, i think he would not be as bad as people think, hes a solid rebounder and hardworker |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:46 PM PST
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if we are going to get kenny thomas and his bad contract, we can get Shareef and give them Luke,
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=
Fisher/Farmar/Sun Yue
Kobe/Sasha/Karl
Artest/Ariza/Vlad
Pau/Thomas
Bynum/Shareef/Mihm
Look pretty good, don't u think guys?? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 08:54 PM PST
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what about team chemistry?
i think with a lot of player movement, we go into next season with a new team... a whole new dimension we gotta handle. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 09:15 PM PST
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You want different perspective? How about Tayshaun Prince, a guy that I constantly talk about amidst all this chatter over Artest. As of right now, our biggest needs in the SF department is perimeter shooting and defense. Prince is a career 36% 3-point shooter and most importantly 4x All-Defensive Second Team. Artest has the slight defensive edge over Prince, but not with the 3-point shooting. Artest is not a spot-up shooter... Here are some other things that Prince has over RonRon...
1.) His contract is cheaper than Artest, meaning that the Pistons can throw in another player for us and not having it affect the cap space too much. Lamar/Luke for Prince/McDyess anyone?
2.) He's an ironman, missing only two games in the past FIVE seasons. You won't really be too worried about him having a freak injury.
3.) He doesn't demand the ball. He goes with the flow of the offense to get his points. A true team player.
4.) He's a true professional. He has a laid-back personality and never had any attitude problems or disgraceful acts or anything.
So c'mon everyone, why not consider Prince? Dumars is shopping the entire Pistons roster, so why not take a shot at Tayshaun? |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 09:21 PM PST
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LA_85 wrote:
what about team chemistry?
i think with a lot of player movement, we go into next season with a new team... a whole new dimension we gotta handle.
Team chemistry surely didn't win it for us this year. We got beat by a newly assembled team that plays D E F E N S E.
If defense wins championships, why is everyone so determined to keep odom for "chemistry" sake??
We don't have a single lock down"defender" on this team that can guard the highscorers outside of Ariza.
(Kobe doesn't guard those players unless it's a game winning situation because of energy, so it's pretty much a waste of him being a top defender)
For the millionth time, WE NEED DEFENSE!! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Different Perspective On Kenny Thomas
Posted: Jul 11, 2008 - 09:21 PM PST
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PinoyLakerFan24-7 wrote:
You want different perspective? How about Tayshaun Prince, a guy that I constantly talk about amidst all this chatter over Artest. As of right now, our biggest needs in the SF department is perimeter shooting and defense. Prince is a career 36% 3-point shooter and most importantly 4x All-Defensive Second Team. Artest has the slight defensive edge over Prince, but not with the 3-point shooting. Artest is not a spot-up shooter... Here are some other things that Prince has over RonRon...
1.) His contract is cheaper than Artest, meaning that the Pistons can throw in another player for us and not having it affect the cap space too much. Lamar/Luke for Prince/McDyess anyone?
2.) He's an ironman, missing only two games in the past FIVE seasons. You won't really be too worried about him having a freak injury.
3.) He doesn't demand the ball. He goes with the flow of the offense to get his points. A true team player.
4.) He's a true professional. He has a laid-back personality and never had any attitude problems or disgraceful acts or anything.
So c'mon everyone, why not consider Prince? Dumars is shopping the entire Pistons roster, so why not take a shot at Tayshaun?
It really doesn't matter what we as online bloggers consider or not. There has not been a SINGLE rumor (at least to my knowledge) about Prince coming to Los Angeles. Why discuss something that appears to have no legitmacy to it?
Oh, and he's NOT cheaper than Artest. Artest is set to make 7.4 million, while Prince is set to make 9.5 million. |
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