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optimistic7292
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Ok. Take this in what ever way you want. I'm just reporting what I read in another forum:

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Hello. Some might remember me from Last summer. Just a heads up that the Lakers and Bobcats are in serious trade talks involving Lamar Odom and Gerald Wallace again. Talks got jump started by agent Rob Pelinka a couple of days ago. As some of you know Pelinka is the agent of Kobe, Fisher, Sasha, and Gerald Wallace.

This is what another member responded:

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I remember this guy from last summer. He was the one that was right on target about the 3 team trade between LA, NJ, and Charlotte that came out of the blue. But if I remember right he was also off on another trade. So who knows. But he seems to know something about Pelinka.

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Great post man! Thanks for keeping us informed!

I say this is a bone-headed move... Odom should not be traded for a 3... Half of our roster is already small forwards, what do we need Wallace for? This leaves us seriously think at the 5 and 4.

Besides, Wallace is yet to play a season with more than 72 games, so he is obviously not the most durable fellow. With this move we will get smaller and will be able to handle the ball less. I mean is there anyone in this forum who thinks that Trevor Ariza can't match Wallace's production in 3 years from now? Anyone? Mitch pulls this and I say Kobe was right last summer... he is an idiot.

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Have a hard time believing that one. Like the old saying goes, what seems to good to be true usually isn't.

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I can buy into this.

On the Bobcats end, I'm sure they are concerned with Wallace's injury history. I noted in another thread that he has experienced a myriad of injuries in just the last 18 months, which includes his 4th concussion in 4 years. With Wallace having 5 years left on his deal, they may feel he is just too risky an investment. Plus the team has 3 SFs ready to take Wallace's place in Carroll, 2007 1st round pick Jared Dudley and then returning from injury, former #3 pick Adam Morrison. Odom would fit nicely into the lineup at PF alongside C Emeka Okafor, giving them a pair of strong rebounders. Plus Odom has an expiring deal, meaning big time cap relief (that could go towards the extension for Okafor). They could go big at #9 (say Brook Lopez) and groom him off the bench for this season, then let Odom leave as a FA next summer and start Okafor and Lopez at PF/C.

On the Lakers end, Wallace is a very very good SF on both ends of the floor. Just 2 years ago he averaged 2 steals and 2 blocks a game. His offense has steadily improved and this past season he was a 19.4ppg 6rpg 3.5apg player. He plays solid D and continues to grow as a player. He fell in love with the 3 pointer this past season (and he is a mediocre 3pt shooter) so his FG% fell from 50%ish to 45%. Probably a result of his injuries preventing him from slashing as much. Also for his nice apg average, he is turnover prone as well. So he has his flaws. Injuries. 3pt shooting. Turnovers. But when you factor in his versatility (he's played SG, SF and PF - and actually spent more time at PF than SF this past season), his youth (26 in July), his improving offense, his stellar defense, it's easy to fall in love with him as a player. Plus the 5 years left on his deal is pretty manageable at about 10 mil per year. It's the same deal the Lakers were discussing for Odom.

So really what this comes down to is that the Lakers are getting a fantastic player.... but are they willing to gamble on his health?

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After Josh Smith, Gerald Wallace would be next on my list. After that I would be weary of trading Odom for most of the other SF's available.

Outside of his injury history I really like Wallace. He's a mediocre 3pt shooter but he has a mid range jumpshot, he can attack the rim, he's a solid rebounder, he's becoming a solid passer, he's an excellent perimeter defender, and he's a decent post defender. He's also only about to turn 26.

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Lamar for Wallace and Sean May?

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Just curious. Does anyone remember how Wallace sustained his injuries? Or has a theory on why he sustained so many injuries? Concusions aren't your typical basketball injuries.

To draw a distinction, there's a great difference in risks between players who sustain a self-inflicted injury like Shaun Livingston's knee versus somone falling on your knees.

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Wallace's last concussion wasn't his fault. He was elbowed in the head. And the separated shoulder he suffered in January 2007 was Jeff Foster landing on him after he dove for a ball. So these weren't self-inflicted. That said a good # of his recent injuries are basically strains and sprains, which is often attributed to his reckless style of play. His nickname is "Crash", which I guess should draw comparisons to another injury prone reckless player in Wade, whose nickname is "Flash".

One theory that actually came out before was that a lot of his injuries was due to the fact that he doesn't really stretch. So he said he was going to work on that this summer (Yoga/Pilates) to help prevent these types of muscle injuries.

Guys who play like Wade and Wallace are always going to be injury prone. It's a tough games as it is and playing reckless only adds to the risk. That said, they're amazing players because of their style and I don't see them changing a thing or fans wanting them to.

If Wallace does become a Laker, I'll be very excited..... and hoping that a summer of stretching will help him. Maybe he should consider wearing a helmet during games too. j/k

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I can see Charlotte packaging Nazr Mohammed with Wallace. The trade works for Odom with a 2 for 1 swap like this.

Why would Charlotte include him? For one, it adds to their potential cap relief. He is owed 13.2 mil after next season and trading him, and Wallace, for Odom's expiring deal washes that off the books. With Odom at PF and Okafor at C and potentially drafting a C like Lopez, there isn't a great need for Nazr, who was actually pretty decent in his time in Charlotte but was in and out of the starting lineup. Add in the return of Sean May plus youngsters like Ryan Hollins and Jermareo Davidson, and they have enough depth where they can move Nazr and just take the cap savings. Moving Nazr and Wallace cuts about 15 mil off their 09-10 payroll and puts the Bobcats in great position for cap space, even with Okafor's extension.

The Lakers could take Nazr. He's a pretty good backup C with a lot of starting experience should injuries derail the team again. This past season he averaged 9.3ppg 6.9rpg 0.9bpg 52fg% in 61 games with the Bobcats. Getting him allows the team to make Mihm the 3rd string C and if they keep Turiaf, allow him to exclusively be a backup PF. Plus the Lakers won't have to use the MLE on a backup C and could use it on a SF like Posey if they still wanted to after acquiring Wallace.

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i dont believe this yahoo who posted this but this is the trade i really wanted last season until jordan backed out of it. wallace would be a perfect three for us. he is a better at guarding the three than odom, he is a solid rebounder for a three, the guy can also block shots, and he is one of the league leaders in steals. the only knock i have against him is the fact that he hasnt played more than 72 games like the poster above stated.

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Charlotte has depth at SF and a lack of depth at PF. It would create future cap space and clear room for others to play. Also, Wallace has a reputation as being a bit difficult. Not Ron Artest difficult, but a bit difficult none the less.

My opinion would be:

1. Trade Odom for Smith if possible.

2. Trade Odom for Wallace if possible.

3. Don't trade Odom.

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Very interesting. I was listening to sportingnews satellite radio and they said there's a rumor going around that the Bobcats contacted the Lakers about Wallace for Odom. They didn't say what the Lakers response was, but this might have legs,

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nice find op

mpapic
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again... does anyone really think Ariza is not as good as Wallace in 3 years? Don't forget who Wallace has been putting up his numbers for either.

Dumb trade written all over it.

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it wont happen evertime lakers do a deal its been quiet

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He's owed less than 50 million for the next 5 years....

Very reasonable....

Personally, I would like to see this deal go down. He's one of the best defenders in the league, and that contract is so cap friendly in regards to his talent.

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His shotblocking numbers have really gone away though recently, hopefully playing for a contender can resurrect that.

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He also knocks down about a third of his 3-balls, just enough to keep defenders honest.

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this is a terrible trade we should at least get the #9 pick in this year draft

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Well, they are going to have to give us a filler anyway.

Odom and Farmar for G-Force/Nazr/9th pick?

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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OMFG..this is the guy I HAVE BEEN PREACHING ABOUT FOR THE PAST couple weeks...this guy is EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED...has a good mid range...LOCK DOWN DEFENDER...can rebound..and CAN hit the three...and most of all...HE IS A TOUGH GUY...NOONE is goin to be pushing him around.....DO IT MITCH!!

plygrndrlr
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Not a bad idea. Good find. To help with the concussion problem, he can wear a bike helmet during games, kind of like those kids on the short bus....

IhatetheCeltics
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What does it matter anyways? This is a rumor. And these trade rumors never become true anyways.

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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Never say never...If you would have heard a rumor of "the lakers are trading KWAME BROWN along with Javaris crittenton for Allstar PF PAU GASOL" what would you have said.....THATS IMPOSSIBLE...but as we have come to know...THAT WAS FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

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I cant really comment because I havent really watched Wallace play

mpapic
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ok, so we get wallace at the 3, position we are already stacked at, and who do we have backing up Gasol and Bynum?!

I guess if we're going to trade Odom this trade is as good as any other... but that said any Odom for small forward trade is going to be problematic for me.

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We are never going to be on the recieving end of a trade like that again.

But, I'm going to have to give you some credit, if this deal does go down - you were definitely the first to call it.

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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mpapic..if you look at this year..THE PROBLEM THAT HURT US THE MOST..wast the DEFENCE on the perimiter..Now even though i feel like ariza can become a great player he is still no there yet...and also....WALLACE is someone who can give you 20+ on any given night..he is a consistent scorer but AN EVEN BETTER DEFENDER..

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Well, we'll probably have Turiaf. Nazr Mohammad isn't all that bad either. And some of our MLE will probably now be split amongst a big (Diop?) and a little (Lue?)

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VujacicSlovenia wrote:
LAKERZ_DYNASTY101 wrote:
Never say never...If you would have heard a rumor of "the lakers are trading KWAME BROWN along with Javaris crittenton for Allstar PF PAU GASOL" what would you have said.....THATS IMPOSSIBLE...but as we have come to know...THAT WAS FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

We are never going to be on the recieving end of a trade like that again.

But, I'm going to have to give you some credit, if this deal does go down - you were definitely the first to call it.

Thank you for recongnizing how i called a GERALD WALLACE trade before anyone else...and i know that we wont get a trade like that again..but i was just stating that we should never rule out something to be IMPOSSIBLE!! you know what i mean?

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how come we just don't keep odom and see how it works???? and if it doesn't work we trade him before the deadline , or we keep him the whole year and just let him go while we get 13 million dollars back and sign the player we need?

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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i dont mind keeping odom...i kinda Like odom..BUT..if we are going to trade..THIS IS THEY GUY I WOULD WANT TO TRADE FOR..and apparently this is the guy MITCH likes also..

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LAKERZ_DYNASTY101 wrote:
VujacicSlovenia wrote:
LAKERZ_DYNASTY101 wrote:
Never say never...If you would have heard a rumor of "the lakers are trading KWAME BROWN along with Javaris crittenton for Allstar PF PAU GASOL" what would you have said.....THATS IMPOSSIBLE...but as we have come to know...THAT WAS FAR FROM IMPOSSIBLE!!!!

We are never going to be on the recieving end of a trade like that again.

But, I'm going to have to give you some credit, if this deal does go down - you were definitely the first to call it.

Thank you for recongnizing how i called a GERALD WALLACE trade before anyone else...and i know that we wont get a trade like that again..but i was just stating that we should never rule out something to be IMPOSSIBLE!! you know what i mean?

Yeah, I understand now. Man, after going through about 100 YouTube videos of this guy - I really, REALLY, want this deal to go down soon.

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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Yup vujacicslovania...THIS GUY IS THE REAL DEAL....he is the PERFECT solution to what we need!

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Ariza is kind of overrated really. Did anyone see Ariza lockdown Pierce on even one occassion? Yeah, me either. I'd rather have Ariza backing up Wallace at the 3 then him starting anyways.

I, for one, LOVE this trade. Gerald Wallace is one of my favorite players in the league (right there with Kobe, Iggy & Gay) and if I remember correctly, a lot of his injuries were because he was playing PF undersized, so he was going to go back exclusively to SF and that should minimize a lot of his minor injuries.

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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WOW KB ME TOO...my top 5 Basketball players overall are Kobe, lebron, gerald wallace, OJ mayo, dwight howard

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Ariza overrated he did only stop pierce for a quarter which was the only quarter he played for and hes coming of a broken foot on hiis foot imagine wat he'll do after spending a year under PJ he'll only continue to get better

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=

It's really the only thing I could come up with. Hate to take on Nazr's bad contract, but it might be the only way....

Nazr's a really good offensive rebounder though, and for a three point shooting team like the Lakers, he might do wonders....

Remember that 22 and 11 he hung on us in February?

LAKERZ_DYNASTY101
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i in NO WAY feel ariza is overated....I FEEL HE IS A GREAT YOUNG TALENt...AND CAN TURN into A GREAT PLAYER....but he is just not there yet..thats all

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I disagree... Our perimeter defense was suspect because we didn't have anyone to funnel perimeter players into. With Bynum back, everyone will become a much better perimeter defender because he will be in the back cleaning up people's mistakes. Nobody "stops" people on the perimeter in their tracks and if we ever need that sort of defense we can always get Kobe to do it. Bynum coming back will fix a lot of the defensive problems, whether we have Wallace or Odom.

Also, Wallace gives you "20+ every night" on a team that would have trouble qualifying for playoffs in the Greek league. I like Wallace's athleticism, I love his desire, but I do not think he seriously upgrades our roster. This is especially so if he means watching Turiaf and Mihm play backup to Bynum who may not be healed fully.

Bottom line is that Odom is in his last contract year, so unless we plan to lose him for nothing we may have to trade him to get something in return. If that is the plan, then I don't have much problem with this plan of getting Wallace. However, you must be either crazy or really really love dunks to think that Wallace is an upgrade over a guy who can play both power forward and small forward.

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again... does anyone really think Ariza is not as good as Wallace in 3 years? Don't forget who Wallace has been putting up his numbers for either.

Dumb trade written all over it.

First of all, there is no guarantee that Ariza will ever be as good as Wallace. Is it possible? Yes. But let's not forget that Ariza sat out the majority of this season because of a congenital foot problem. That was the knock on him coming out of Orlando, and it came back to haunt him as a Laker.

I'm currently a 2nd year Medical school student, and though I don't know too much about sports injuries I can tell you that any structural problem with a part of the body is a lingering concern, especially for athletes.

Secondly, three years from now Kobe will be 33. It's easy to see him on the decline at that point, and that's not to mention the fact that Pau will be 31 as well. D-fish may be retired at that point for all we know. The point is, we have to secure our window while it is open. True, the Lakers window is larger than any championship contender currently constructed. Even so, we need to solidify our standing as a top tier team in a similar way that Jordan did in the 96-98 championship run. Once you win a championship, age may take its toll but that confidence, flow and chemistry never leaves the team.

I say we pull the trigger on Wallace.

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So now Wallace is the perfect guy for the Lakers. I thought it was Artest? I read a million posts about how Artest would opt out and be a Laker..what happened? Fans jump on any rumor and run with it. Wallace is now the rumor of the week...

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Well actually, it was between like Artest, Wallace, Battier and Marion.

If Artest doesn't opt out and be willing to take the MLE, he's not a possibility.

Battier would be great, but I don't think Houston will let him go.

Marion would have to be in a sign and trade, so who knows.

Then if this is how we can get Wallace, so be it.

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just keep wallace way from getting his head banged, cuz it'll give him concussions usually. i have no clue about what other injuries he has

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hey kbfan88, i agree with you about Ariza's structural problems... However, my point about Ariza being as good as Wallace in 3 years was not so much to praise Ariza, but to illustrate that Wallace is not all that great. Wallace plays on a crappy team in a crappy conference, his numbers are inflated. Even then, they are not inflated all that much, leading me to believe that his numbers would probably suffer a 30% drop off with the Lakers (and then they really wouldn't look all that great). Furthermore, the man has NO dribble, NO passing ability and very low basketball IQ. Have you ever seen him handle? He is absolutely horrible with his handle. He runs around the court with great energy and bounce and is great defensively (although he is more great defensively because he gambles than because he actually plays lock down one-on-one d like Bowen or battier), but I don't see how he is an upgrade over 6-10 power forward who gives you a double double and can ball handle like a guard (that would be Odom).

The second part of your post seems to suggest that we need to build for a future after Kobe... While I totally agree with you on the direction you are going, your conclusion that Wallace can be part of that after-Kobe future is crazy. You mean to tell me that you would be satisfied with Wallace as our premier perimeter player?! Gerard freakin Wallace? He is the Bobcats' premier perimeter player, so I guess we will be as good as the Bobcats. Yeay...

I really don't understand where all the infatuation with Wallace is coming in. He is athletic and has incredible desire, he also shoots the 3 well enough. But he is in no way an answer for a team that needs more toughness inside rather than yet another small forward. We also don't need a swingman who can't pass, especially since his job will be to pass the ball to Kobe. Odom gives us a double-double every night, is a match-up problem for most power forwards not named Kevin Garnet and is decent both defensively and as a cog in the triangle. We want to trade that for a dude who can't handle, has just spent 3 years in the most unambitious franchise in sports, and is going to need to learn how to play in the triangle? I don't get it...

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Why Trade Odom????

Trade Walton Radman and draft picks.

Then bring Odom off the bench

or start Kobe and Odom as guards

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Did you even read the conversation? Trading Luke and Radmanovic will do nothing for them. A good PF that has a large expiring contract is really what they need. It would free up capspace in a year to shoot for a big contract player. By getting Lamar's expiring contract and getting rid of Wallace and Nazr Mohammed, the Bobcats would free up about 15mill in cap.

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Don't gamble. We are in a good position, so if we make a deal, it has to be solid and benefit us. I have cautioned in the past giving up to much for players who have had a history of injury problems. It doesn't matter how good you might think that they are, they can't help you if they are not on the floor. As for being stacked at SF, Walton isn't athletic enough and can not score enough. Vladrad is inconsistant, can't play defense, and plays like an idiot sometimes. Lamar does not have a good enough outside shot at the SF position so we will have 3 Bigs going to the hoop without enough outside shooting to balance the attack. It is an interesting problem.

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Gerald Wallace at 6'6" only weighs 212 and might be a little on the light siide to defend the likes of Pierce. While Artest at 6'7" weighing in at 248 might be the better player for the Lakers.

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plygrndrlr: Don't you think we have run a little short on draft picks aready???

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Axle: Battier isn't much heavier than Wallace, it's about strength also, not just weight. Artest is kind of a freak because with him having a PF body, he is still quick enough to guard SF's.

Honestly, as far as a fit is concerned, I'd rather see Artest or Wallace as opposed to Battier or Marion. Artest and Wallace can drive, I haven't seen that out of Battier, Marion drives every now and then, but I wouldn't say it's astrength. The Lakers need someone else to drive besides Kobe. WIth us being out muscled in the Finals, I feel the Lakers having a lack of another slasher killed them. The Kobe rules made sure Kobe didn't get in the paint anyone else who drove only had to deal with one defender sliding over not two to three that Kobe had to deal with.

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Gerald Wallace=Trevor Ariza in my opinion. Both play great D. Ariza may be more athletic then Ariza but Wallace has a little more of a J. I would hope we would be getting something else because to me this doesnt seem like much of an upgrade.

I've hear Pat Riley misses Odom's game and offered Marion for Odom. If we milked that for all it's worth I think we could be a very dangerous team.

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Gerald Wallace regularly played PF this year...

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I have not heard this trade rumor anywhere but here...

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