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    Post subject: Rumours: Artest Opting Out  PostPosted: Jun 18, 2008 - 07:06 AM PST
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    Opting Out? Multiple sources tell HOOPSWORLD that Ron Artest is seriously considering opting out of the final year of his contract. Artest can stick with the Sacramento Kings for one final year at $7.4 million or choose to become an unrestricted free agent this summer.

    Should Artest choose to opt out, he would likely look for a full Mid Level Exception (MLE) deal with a championship contender such as the Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs or even the New Orleans Hornets.

    The current MLE starts at $5.356 million. While it may climb slightly, Artest is said to be open to the idea of a five-year, $31 million contract. One source says Artest believes he's worth far more than that, but is coming to grips with the NBA's tightening economic climate.

    Very few teams have cap room this summer. Unless the Kings are willing to give Artest a long-term extension, he'd be in a similar situation next year. There may be a few more teams with space, but there's a high probability they're unwilling to spend it on a player with such a "difficult" reputation.

    Artest has somewhat avoided trouble in Sacramento but he did have numerous run-ins with Coach Reggie Theus this past season.

    If Artest embraces the notion that he may never get a deal larger than the MLE, he may forgo the additional ~$2.1 million to stay with the Kings and lock in as much long term money as he can this summer.

    The Spurs are said to have tremendous interest. The talent alongside the big three of Tim Duncan, Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili is waning. Artest would give San Antonio a worthy successor to the 37-year old Bruce Bowen.

    It's a little trickier with the Lakers considering the contracts they have committed to Vladimir Radmanovic and Luke Walton. Since neither has made a particularly high impact this season, LA may be open to the idea despite the financial repercussions.

    Coach Phil Jackson has always been interested in Artest. Imagine the team currently playing in the NBA Finals with the addition of Artest along with the return of Andrew Bynum. Artest also has a strong relationship with both Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom.

    It's difficult to say if the Hornets would have interest. They need a shooting guard but creative lineups with Peja Stojakovic and Artest could bolster their chances in the Western Conference.

    As far as the potential for a sign and trade, the Kings aren't going to take in any players or salary they don't covet. To acquire a risky player like Artest, few teams are going to give up choice assets to make tempt Sacramento into a deal.

    Multiple sources are clear that Artest hasn't yet decided. He's waffled back and forth on this one even before the regular season came to a close.


    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=9099

    I know its just a rumour but Artest has about 12 days or so left to opt out and if he does I think the Lakers would definately be making a very, very strong run at him...plus hes tight with Kobe and LO so even more of a reason for him to come here. Now we just have to give away Walton and Vlade to Sacremento and let them deal with those morons lol.

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    Post subject: RE: Rumours: Artest Opting Out  PostPosted: Jun 18, 2008 - 07:29 AM PST
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    i knkow wat u mean bro...but we will be over the cap by a lot if we have artest,odomsssssss huge contract and kobe,pau, and bynums big extension!


    luke has to go and same with vlade.....

    if we are getting artest for opting out..........
    roster should look like this



    Fisher
    Kobe
    Artest
    Gasol
    Bynum

    Farmar
    Sasha
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    Odom
    Turiaf


    SEE, we need to give out ODOM for artest...a sign and trade.....

    but im nervous about it...artest has history......hope kobe can contain him and same with phil....

    but i think this will be the best senerio for us






    odom has been awesome to us and the good thing about trading him to the kings is that he doesnt have to leave CALI...he will just move up NORTH..........


    my line up

    Fisher
    Kobe
    Artest
    Gasol(but bigger, I expect Gasol to actually put on some weight...remember, he was playing for a crappy team and i think he didnt want to train that hard in the last ofseason because his team sucked anyways)
    Bynum

    Farmar
    Sasha(I was going to make a trade with Bruce Bowen, but I know Sasha can Mature into a great role player soon.He just needs to get bigger and stronger. )
    Ariza
    Turiaf
    ?(get some C that can defend for Luke and Vlade)

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    Post subject: RE: Rumours: Artest Opting Out  PostPosted: Jun 18, 2008 - 07:51 AM PST
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    If Buss wants to win and wants the Lakers to improve, he needs to make sure that if Artest does opt out that Kupchak goes after him...Artest will give the Lakers another player who can get his own shot and a player who is a known shutdown defender...

    By keeping Odom, that will give the Lakers a big contract coming off the books and enable them to resign Bynum and Farmar without going too far over the cap...now, if Odom will accept the MLE, maybe he can still be a Laker...

    The Lakers should also keep Ariza for defensive purposes...I think he has a player option, and hopefully he uses it and stays with the Laker Organization...

    So, if Artest becomes a Lakers, the lineup, in my opinion, should be as follows:

    Fisher/Farmar
    Kobe/Sasha
    Artest/Ariza/Walton
    Gasol/Odom/Radman
    Bynum/Turiaf

    Now, in order for the lineup to be like that, Sasha & Turiaf need to be resigned and Artest needs to opt out and take the full MLE to become a Laker...hmm, probably easier said than done...

    Now, I feel that with a team that features Kobe, Bynum, Artest, & Gasol that the Lakers can and will win the 2008-2009 NBA Championship...actually, even if Artest doesn't become a Laker, I feel that with Bynum on this Laker squad that the Lakers can win the Championship regardless...

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    Post subject: RE: Rumours: Artest Opting Out  PostPosted: Jun 18, 2008 - 08:08 AM PST
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    If Artest wants to win a Championship his best option is the Lakers and he will take MLE if he wants it. Remember, we can sign Vujacic and Turiaf for as much as we want and still have the MLE to bring in another player. Artest would be making 7.4mil or so with Sacto next year but if he signed MLE with us he would make 5.6-ish so its not that much of a difference when you think about it. Besides, what would you take, an extra two million to play for a team that has no chance of making the playoffs or two million less to play for a team that WILL win the championship with your presence? I'm goin with the latter, now its up to Artest to decide what he wants to do.

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    Post subject: RE: Rumours: Artest Opting Out  PostPosted: Jun 18, 2008 - 08:19 AM PST
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    I agree KB24 4 Life. Just to add to what you said, when I mentioned in another forum that it might be time for Lamar to go, again it wasn't that I was blaming him for what happened. At the end of the day, the numbers, with his contract structured as is, will not work for the Lakers long term. I like his game a lot, but there is no way he's worth the 15 mil he's making. If he was willing to take a significant cut in pay to remain a Laker, then ya for sure it's worth keeping him. but with his talent and expiring contract, he's probably the only barganing chip mitch has, unless there are no plans to make any changes...
     
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    Radmonovich can take a hike as far as I'm concerned. I really tired of him down the stretch. Slow on defense, and basically a spot up 3 point shooter, he offers very little else. Basically, as the team stands right now, with Bynum coming back, Radmon would be moved to the bench anyway. I say dump him and get rid of that contract if possible. Make some room for a better role player.
     
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    Lakerdiehard32 wrote:
    Radmonovich can take a hike as far as I'm concerned. I really tired of him down the stretch. Slow on defense, and basically a spot up 3 point shooter, he offers very little else. Basically, as the team stands right now, with Bynum coming back, Radmon would be moved to the bench anyway. I say dump him and get rid of that contract if possible. Make some room for a better role player.


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    Fellas, nobody is going to take Luke or Vlade. Their contracts are terrible. They are overpaid and still have a lot of years left. For all the good that Mitch did assembling our current roster, these two contracts are going to represent the two biggest obstacles for us getting better.

    Lakers4Kobe, No way does Sacramento take either of those two guys. They would be morons to do that.
     
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    jbully314 wrote:
    Fellas, nobody is going to take Luke or Vlade. Their contracts are terrible. They are overpaid and still have a lot of years left. For all the good that Mitch did assembling our current roster, these two contracts are going to represent the two biggest obstacles for us getting better.

    Lakers4Kobe, No way does Sacramento take either of those two guys. They would be morons to do that.


    i think we can ship walton off to some willing team that wants that "high IQ" everyone likes to talk about. we're stuck with radman, he's garbage i don't think anyone will want him.

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    I would rather get rid of Luke then Vlade, but honestly, I think you people are kidding yourselves if you believe that it's going to be easy to trade them.

    Cook's contract is not nearly as bad as theirs. I think Vlad still has 3 years left, while Luke has 5.
     
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    i'm not really concerned with luke.. he'll get better next year, remember this year he had an injury so that really bogged him down, he'll be back to top shape next year... but vlad... wow... get his a** out please... somehow... send him back to seattle, hell, send him to the suns, they'll have another big rebounding and thinking hes a guard and run a fastbreak and another 3 pt shooter!! hey that's a great idea send vlad there for say... grant hill?? lol

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    Vlade is not a bad a trade deal as everyone is making out. His contract is for 08-09 and 09-10, with the year after a qualifying offer year. There are plenty of teams that would love to have his outside shot, and his D is better than it has every been, however bad that might be. So if Kupchak wants to trade him, he won't have a problem -- at 6 mil each year it's just an average veteran contract.

    Walton is a role player and won't be going anywhere, I think. You are not likely to replace him with a better player for the money, but you could get worse.

    It's going to be an interesting trade summer; Odom and Mihm are going into their expiring contract year, and I think Vlad is a tradeable asset - will we see a move at draft time, will Kupchak wait till after, or till mid-season break next year, or? I'm sure the rumors will soon be flying high.
     
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    We need another guy who can create open shots on his own and also who can play defense. We were completely out-physicaled to a nauseating degree. Gasol showed his best "soft" European skills, and Odom only plays when you light a fire under him, the other times he spends in a lacksadaisical manner, laughing too much for me. Combine all that with Radmonovich amounting to nothing, and you have a team basically of Kobe and Fish as the steadies, and a bunch of role players, minus the occasional "extra" affort from Gasol or Odom if so willing. To be honest, I though Ariza should've got more time. He came in early and gave good energy, then we didnt see him. We need another physical body and an attitude, and another shot creator. Bynum takes care of some of it, but there is more left to be addressed. And for God's sake, Gasol need to hit the weight room, develop an attitude and become a man.
     
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    Post subject: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 04:52 PM PST
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    Ron artest is gonna come up on am570 and they are going to ask him if he would come to the lakers? also if he is willing to take less money to win with the lakers
     
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    Post subject: RE: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 04:58 PM PST
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    When??
     
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    Post subject: RE: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 04:59 PM PST
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    right now
     
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    Post subject: RE: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 05:04 PM PST
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    he says he wants to win with Lamar Odom, he loves lamar and just wants to play with him, so we cant trade lamar for artest
     
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    Post subject: RE: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 05:06 PM PST
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    Awh I missed it

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    Post subject: RE: Artest on AM 570  PostPosted: Jun 19, 2008 - 05:22 PM PST
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    we always got fillers like vlad, and luke right haha
     
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    LakersFranchise wrote:
    he says he wants to win with Lamar Odom, he loves lamar and just wants to play with him, so we cant trade lamar for artest


    We wouldn't have to... Artest could opt out, and then sign with the Lakers for the MLE. Odom can then come off the bench.
     
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    wow! He really said that he wanted to come and play in LA!!?!!