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Post subject: Pessimistic But Realistic
 Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 02:24 AM PST
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Sorry to stomp on anyone's parade, but really, how do you expect us to come back against the Celtics in this series?
They are clearly playing better basketball than we are, they're mentally tougher, they're physically stronger, and Paul Pierce has all but negated Kobe Bryant, thanks to the fact that his other Big 2 command more attention than ours. Unless you guys expect Kobe to score 40-50+ points per game (and against this Boston defense, it's pretty unlikely), the outcome of this series doesn't look too good.
They beat us fair and square on OUR homecourt, and they did it coming back from a 24 point deficit. Defense wins championship, right? And defense feeds the offense.
I really hate to be posting like this, but I just don't want to go around through all of these naive posts about how the Lakers are going to win this series.
I mean, it hurts so much more than other losses, considering the Lakers gave us false hope about being able to outplay the Celtics for a full 48 minutes in the first half. I was riding high; texting people left and right, posting on this site, lamenting my doubts about Odom (boy, wasn't I off..), and smiling till my jaw hurt.
Either way though, we're still Lakers fans, and we have a good future to look forward to. Doesn't really make this loss hurt any less though, huh? |
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Post subject: RE: Pessimistic But Realistic
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 02:29 AM PST
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| im not going to watch game 5 because i will be at work but if we win im sure we could take this to a game 7 because anything is possible with kobe out there in boston in game 6 just have faith |
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Post subject: Re: Pessimistic But Realistic
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 02:48 AM PST
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I totally agree with you mamba. This loss is starting to sink in with me only after a couple of hours and now I am starting to spill the truth about this series.
I'm a realist, and quite honestly, we're done. For those of you that want to say that I'm not a "true" Laker fan, just save it and keep your mouth shut, because Boston is the better, more hungry team and they want it more, and for the Lakers to win the championship after giving up that 24 point lead, they do not deserve it. PERIOD.
As a matter of fact, for the Lakers to win 3 straight is quite damn near impossible with this team and with how they have played so far in this series. It'd have to be a miracle from something greater than God to take it all.
Who's the team who willed their way from a 24 point deficit and end up winning by 6? Boston. Lakers did have a nice comeback try in game 2, but they couldn't get it done. Why? Again, because Boston is the hungrier team and have completely shut us down in the third quarters this series, which then leads to second half domination IMO.
I really hate to say this, but I think Atlanta has more fight than this Laker squad taking Boston to a full 7-game series. And with that said, this series should have ended tonight with a Boston sweep, because we got lucky in a SLOPPY and UGLY game 3. Seriously, we lucked out.
Face it, we better start getting ready for next season because until this Laker team literally pulls a rabbit out of their a**, our season is officially over.
Those of you who still believe and have faith can bash me as much as you want for saying all this, but get REAL. As for me, I did have faith, right until they gave up a 24 point lead leading to a 3-1 series deficit. Do you really expect the Lakers to hoist that trophy above their heads with the way they choked tonight in the second half? I don't.
So as far as I'm concerned, I'm done for this season. I'm already looking ahead to next season when we'll be healthy and at full strength ready to take that damn trophy back from Boston and bring it home to where it belongs, Los Angeles.
***On a side note, I'm still real angry right now and have the biggest headache in the world, so if what I say doesn't make sense, then I apologize. i just need someone or something to rant to/on. I seriously wouldn't be as pissed if we were to lose to Detroit, but the fact that it's Boston just kills me and tears me up inside and out  ***
DIE, Boston, DIE!!! |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 03:34 AM PST
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I completely echo your views Lazy.
I treated myself to the hardest workout of my life after the game.
I too will not be a complete HOMER and say we'll win in 7. Teams up 3-1 in the Finals are 28/28. Theres usually a reason for that. The better team is performing over the inferior team.
Now do I believe in miracles? If Lakers win in 7, then I will.
Amidst all this "end of the world" mood we are all obviously in, I will say this. All of these games have been competitive. None of these games were CLEARLY decided until the halfway point to the latter stages of the 4th. I think we win Sunday ONLY because of the longer layoff. Thus more time for the team to drink/whine and drink some more before giving that patented "sprited last ditch lets become the first team to come back from 3-1" effort. But I think we go down in game 6.
These tight games are exposing our youth. I have no doubt our team will be awesome next year injuries withstanding.
We should not be b*tching though. As this team stands, Bynum or not, this is a championship roster. We have no right to complain and say "if Drew were here blah blah blah." The fact is, we don't. A team of Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol is more than capable of winning the crown. We are just being beaten by a hungrier TEAM with more experienced personnel.
I honestly thought if we won 2nite we'd win the series. This momentum would have carried over to Sunday. Then we'd just have to win 1 in Boston. As is, that is not the case.
I called it before the season Boston was winning the crown. Unfortunately, who the hell knew we'd WAY overachieve and be the ones ending up against Boston in the Finals.
Now please don't call me an "untrue" fan. I'm flying into LAX on Sunday morning from here in the Bay Area (where I live now) to be at Game 5.
I am just praying to not have to witness a Celtics celebration on our court. At least make them do it in Boston. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 03:47 AM PST
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Right on SkeeLoW. Very well said.
Have fun at game 5. Win or lose, major props for coming down from the Bay and representing in person! |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 03:50 AM PST
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I feel you. It's impossible. But, if I was a player right now, you can't think that way. You have to take it one day at a time. I just felt like in ths game that there was no way they were going to win. It was about three minutes left and we were only down I think by five or I think two ad it just didn't seem like Kobe was in the game. It's Lebron all over again. He just gave up too.
But, still. If I was a player, I would just keep pride and win game five. The heck with game six and seven. Win this game at home. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 03:53 AM PST
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I know it's unlikely for the Lakers to win the championship, but things can change if we win Game 5. We win Game 5, we go into Boston down 2-3. Maybe this is what we needed. We took the lead for granted and we got the biggest butt whooping of the season. We have to pay our dues before we can move on. If anyone remembers, we too, came back from 20 down against the Spurs in Game 1 of the Western Finals in the second half (halfway through the 3rd and into the 4th quarter). Now it was our turn to feel the pain.
The Lakers need to understand that in the Finals, you can't let a lead slip. You can't mess up and you can't play 24 minutes of basketball. Maybe it's what they need to have a killer instinct again. Game 5 is like their last chance at this. Lose and go home thinking about what could've been OR win and go to Boston with a aggressive mentality to win Game 6 and force Game 7.
If the series goes to 7, it's a toss up and whoever wins will truly deserve the championship. Lets hope the Lakers can pull out 2 straight victories... |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 04:19 AM PST
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I agree that if one is a realist then a Laker win is unlikely. I also feel everyone's pain and I really empathize with you guys. I also agree that the Celtics have outplayed us and deserve to win.
All the said I really think the Lakers gave the Celtics a tough series. There wasn't a single blow-out game and if we win Game 5 we will at least prove that this is a very tough Finals. Losing 4-1 will not look good and will seem like they rolled over us. But if we win another game and lose Game 6 or 7 in another tough one there is no one out there who can convince me that we just rolled over. Look at all the games, they were tough and intense and the winner had to really struggle to prevail. I am at least comfortable with that. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 08:35 AM PST
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While I totally agree with you guys, I think there is more to the loss then them just being hungrier.. Personally, I really thought our youth showed last night. When things got tough there at the end of the 3rd, we had bad posession after bad posession - and by no means am I discounting their defence because it was great, but our offence was SO awful too. The ball was sticking rather then moving fluidly, and I got to be honest, a lot of that was actually Kobe. Lots of dribble, and when he did attack, it wasn't at the basket, he went back to the long jumpers. I love his game and I am one of the biggest laker homers around, but as much as the other guys disappeared in the 2nd half, I am surprised nobody has pointed to the fact that Kobe, again in my opinion, was probably the biggest culprit. When the Celts went on a run, he did nothing...and in turn, nobody else could do anything either.
And I hope nobody gets on Lamar...he gave everything in the first half, and again this is just my opinion, but I really don't think the ball found him nearly enough. Now I know some can argue that he wasn't aggressive enough to get it, but I think it's gotta come down to Kobe creating positive opportunities for him. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:43 AM PST
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Mamba,
Talk about naive. Check out the results of the poll on wether we will come back to win the series! Wow. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:45 AM PST
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| well see wat happens but im 50 % agreeing with mamba because it ISNT over yet.. and it still hasnt hit me i had a dream last night where we were down by 2 and kobe got fouled and bill walton was there and hugged luke it was weird but hey never know |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:50 AM PST
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I don't see this as a collapse. The Lakers pushed. They pushed on offense and defense. And for some reason they just couldn't get it done. It seemed that the Celtics were quicker and stronger. The Lakers didn't lay down. It reminds me of a bad dream where you walk in slow motion. You try with all of your might to move, but you can't. It seemed that way last night.
The Lakers knew the lead was slipping away, but they couldn't stop it. And watching it, you knew what the outcome was going to be. I just hope that they can keep their pride and prevent them from winning the championship at the Staple Center. |
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Post subject: Re: Pessimistic But Realistic
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:56 AM PST
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mambamonk87 wrote:
Sorry to stomp on anyone's parade, but really, how do you expect us to come back against the Celtics in this series?
They are clearly playing better basketball than we are, they're mentally tougher, they're physically stronger, and Paul Pierce has all but negated Kobe Bryant, thanks to the fact that his other Big 2 command more attention than ours. Unless you guys expect Kobe to score 40-50+ points per game (and against this Boston defense, it's pretty unlikely), the outcome of this series doesn't look too good.
They beat us fair and square on OUR homecourt, and they did it coming back from a 24 point deficit. Defense wins championship, right? And defense feeds the offense.
I really hate to be posting like this, but I just don't want to go around through all of these naive posts about how the Lakers are going to win this series.
I mean, it hurts so much more than other losses, considering the Lakers gave us false hope about being able to outplay the Celtics for a full 48 minutes in the first half. I was riding high; texting people left and right, posting on this site, lamenting my doubts about Odom (boy, wasn't I off..), and smiling till my jaw hurt.
Either way though, we're still Lakers fans, and we have a good future to look forward to. Doesn't really make this loss hurt any less though, huh?
Ditto, except for the texting thing.
The Lakers can still win this thing. I believe it. If they can play three games like they played in the first half, and make the adjustments necessary to counter Boston's adjustments to their favored passing lanes and plays, they can win.
It's back to the Spurs series; when they figured out the Spurs, they played 36 - 42 minutes of consistent ball each game. They will have to play 120 to 144 minutes consistently to beat the Celts. Improbable, but not impossible.
And on the bright side, losing this game will reward the young Lakers with the gift of stubbornness. Rock solid determination. Whatever happens in the next couple of games will carry over to the next season. They will learn their lesson and be better for it. They're gonna be more mature. So say we all?
Quick, shoot the fat lady!! 
As an after thought, just think about this. Next year we'll have the almost delightful problem of having to working Bynum back into a lineup with Gasol, Odom, Fisher and Bryant. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 12:05 PM PST
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mtpascoe wrote:
I don't see this as a collapse. The Lakers pushed. They pushed on offense and defense. And for some reason they just couldn't get it done. It seemed that the Celtics were quicker and stronger. The Lakers didn't lay down. It reminds me of a bad dream where you walk in slow motion. You try with all of your might to move, but you can't. It seemed that way last night.
The Lakers knew the lead was slipping away, but they couldn't stop it. And watching it, you knew what the outcome was going to be. I just hope that they can keep their pride and prevent them from winning the championship at the Staple Center.
Uh-uh... There's no way that Boston beat us fair and square with us putting up our best fight. We fell apart in the second half. We couldn't execute our offense, we settled for jumpers again, Kobe failed to live up to his MVP name, and in the end, our team buckled under the pressure. It was a tale of two halves, my friend. We played like champions on the less-important half, and folded like lawn chairs on the other half that really counted. The C's only seemed to be quicker and stronger because the Lakers mentally checked out of the game already while the Celtics stayed hungry.
But I do agree however: that we cannot allow the Cs to win the title on our homecourt. That would just be them spitting on our open wound. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:40 PM PST
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| Will we win realistically? Probably not. Is there still a chance? Of course. Boston hasnt won yet. We have the best player in history( besides MJ.) Impossible is nothing |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:49 PM PST
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Odom has been bad beyond belief, Fisher has been below average, Gasol has looked scared, and Kobe's been shooting poorly in pretty much every game.
AND WE'VE STILL HAD A GOOD CHANCE IN EVERY GAME, it's still very possible that we could win, but with Odom and Gasol reputations as chokers beginning to reemerge, its very unlikely this thing goes seven.
Celtics in 6. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:50 PM PST
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| I was watching the Press Conference after Game 4 and Kobe said, "Everytime I get the ball I see 3-4 people coming on me." I thought about it and all the people that are open are mostly camping the three point line. Maybe if they stopped taking a risk at the three point line and got a little closer to the basket, they would maybe had more points. But I'm not sure about that though... |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:51 PM PST
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PinoyLakerFan24-7 wrote:
mtpascoe wrote:
I don't see this as a collapse. The Lakers pushed. They pushed on offense and defense. And for some reason they just couldn't get it done. It seemed that the Celtics were quicker and stronger. The Lakers didn't lay down. It reminds me of a bad dream where you walk in slow motion. You try with all of your might to move, but you can't. It seemed that way last night.
The Lakers knew the lead was slipping away, but they couldn't stop it. And watching it, you knew what the outcome was going to be. I just hope that they can keep their pride and prevent them from winning the championship at the Staple Center.
Uh-uh... There's no way that Boston beat us fair and square with us putting up our best fight. We fell apart in the second half. We couldn't execute our offense, we settled for jumpers again, Kobe failed to live up to his MVP name, and in the end, our team buckled under the pressure. It was a tale of two halves, my friend. We played like champions on the less-important half, and folded like lawn chairs on the other half that really counted. The C's only seemed to be quicker and stronger because the Lakers mentally checked out of the game already while the Celtics stayed hungry.
But I do agree however: that we cannot allow the Cs to win the title on our homecourt. That would just be them spitting on our open wound.
i can say that we didn't execute well in the second, but i can vouch for boston beating us fair and square. just because we didn't do particularly well doesn't mean they didn't beat us. that's our fault. so they beat us fair and square.
if the celtics win on our homecourt on sunday, i'm not going to drive back down to san diego. i feel i need to share the pain with my angeleno brothers. |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 07:10 PM PST
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| i don't want to think that the series is over, i know deep in my heart it is... but i just want to think that the lakers can at least take it to 7 and give themselves a chance,,, i don't want to think that the series is over, and.. there's a first for everything!! |
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