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Post subject: Key Elements...(Must Read!)
 Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 01:23 AM PST
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Fellas, this loss is probably one of the worse experiences I've ever felt, and I'm sure alot of you feel my pain. But with that being said, it's not over til we lose 4 games...blah blah blah.
Now with that out of the way, there are a few critical elements to this teams failures that I don't know where to place the blame.
#1 Defense Without Fouling.
This team has proven to me that it is completely incapable of having a solid defensive possession without fouling. In Game 2 as I pointed out in another post, Boston has the ball and a 2 point lead with 38 seconds left, in which Pierce stumbles to the lane against the bigger Gasol who seemingly has him contained. Then out of no where D. Fish reaches in and slaps Pierce on the arm, sending him the line, ending any chance at victory.
Now as you remember game 4 in San Antonio. Fisher, with about 3 seconds left jumps into the air to block a 6-6 player instead of playing solid defense and lands on top of Barry's head which SHOULD have sent the leagues best freethrow shooter to the line sending that game into OT. Luckily for us that foul wasn't called.
Tonight, not that this play alone can be blamed for the loss, but with Boston having a 3 point lead under a minute, Pierce dribbles the ball 5 feet above the 3 point line in the most crucial stop of our season, Kobe basically does a fisher and lands directly on Pierce who isn't even attempting a shot. Sending him to the line giving them a 5 point lead.
#2 Coaching
I know it's hard to all of a sudden jump back on PJ after getting us to the finals, but it's clear to me that Doc Rivers constant motivation of his squad is effective, he begs and pleads for them to stay agressive and stay in the game. Now with a 24 point lead, and us clearly having momentum in the 1st half and getting a few fastbreaks off of Bostons turnovers, PJ for some odd reaon calls a timeout, basically sucking the life out of the entire building at which point I saw Fisher shrug his shoulders saying "What are you doing?"
Not to mention soon after that timeout is when Boston went on there 12-0 run.
Secondly, to sit there and let a 20 point lead evaporate in the third quarter when we (including kobe) basically became a 3 point shooting team (basically going for the homerun) is BEYOND MY COMPREHENSION!!
It's clear that we need major mental adjustments. On Lakers radio I heard money saying that Boston's defense Coach Tibido was seen standing up on every defensive possession teaching his team. Why with all the size on this team don't we have a defensive coach?! Can't we hire Larry Brown or even Punk @ss Vangundy for that since PJ clearly isn't capable of getting that out of this team??
Just my thoughts...
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 01:23 AM PST
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| i almost cried at hooters today man |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 01:29 AM PST
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 01:46 AM PST
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| I wrote my @ss off, you guys better read my damn post!! lol |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 01:50 AM PST
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| L. i read the whole thing and i agree with all of it. im just to upset right now to respond to everything. stupid fouls is one thing that is hurting us. fish commits many of them as does odom. i am sick of seeing odom go over someone's back for a rebound when the player already has control of the ball. he commited one of those in game 3 during the first play of the game. its stupid fouls like those that gets him into foul trouble. |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 02:04 AM PST
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Good post. I saw this one coming when the sharp passing went off
I think PJ has delegated a lot of the motivational talk to Kobe, who may not have mastered that part of leadership yet.
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 02:35 AM PST
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funny..... earlier in the season I called PJ out for not calling timeouts when opponents were on a run.
A bunch of users lead by Samstudio called me dumb, "3 years old baby" and etc....
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:16 AM PST
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CAZ, I feel you. Earlier in the season I also said a few things about Phil and his, "let them figure it out on their own" strategies. I argued that it worked great for his previous championship teams but not for these young guys. It is a different era and these guys are a bit more sensitive. I don't think the name calling and finger pointing in public is a great idea especially when it is towards Lamar, Luke or Rad for example. Do you think those guys take those words and get pumped up to improve their game and prove their coach wrong? I don't. I think they take it personal and it affects them. I was told I was not a real Laker fan. I was told he was preparing them for the playoffs to make them stronger. Well, obviously it did not work and it will not work. Knight makes some good points. He will probably get some heat for pointing out some facts but it is reality. I know it is a team loss but the way some of our guys were playing was simply embarrassing.
By the way, does anyone remember the movie, "Stand By Me?" After the game, I felt like the fat kid who drank some vegetable oil before entering the pie eating contest and vomitted all over the place. |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 05:51 AM PST
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1/ I watched the first half at home, then joined my friends at Monty's in Woodland Hills for the celebration. Celebration, I punched the wall and nearly broke my hand.
And I would YELL at the top of my lungs at IDIOT JACKSON for taking out Ariza in the second half. The man blocks shots, steals and deflects balls, hits three, gets rebounds and winds up on the bench at crunch time. While Doc Rivers plays Eddie House who can;t carry Ariza's jockstrap.
They say you get more stupid and more set in your ways as you get older. PJax is living proof of this reality. Get Aver Johnson or somone fresh, not this old codger who can't keep up 24 point lead with Kobe Bryant on your team.
I have said we can still win, But PJax better get some youth pills - cos now he is the End Master, not the Zen Master.
I only hope, if we do lose, Kobe starts back ranting to go somewhere else. You never know with these guys. Or at least take his watches back. |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 06:47 AM PST
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this game reminded me the game 6 with Utah Jazz this year, but in that game we won. we lost also a big lead in the 4th quarter.
the problem in this game it was that when lakers lost the big lead they dropped it. |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 08:51 AM PST
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I would never question Phil cuz there's no doubt the man knows more about the game then I could hope to learn in a lifetime...it just strikes me that if he plans to stick around for a few years and really develop these young guys, then I guess I could buy into the whole "short term pain long term gain'' scenario that he seems to like. BUT, if he's not in it for the long haul (becauase of age, or health or whatever else) I really gotta think he needed to stop the bleeding rather then doing the same ol 'let them figure it out'...aside from Kobe (who I thought was pretty bad last night actually) and Fish, there isn't enough veteran leadership to let them sort things out on their own...
As far as our team goes, regardless of what happens next year, I really hope we make some changes. I can't watch Radman anymore - ya he hits 3's, but man he makes some really poor decisions, especially on defence, and we're not good enough on team defence to make up for that lack of D. Luke...well, ya, not much else to say about him.
I just hope Bynum can make a difference next year in terms of solidifying our offensive and defensive rebounds, as well as being a presence in the paint to scare off penetration.
Anybody notice the Perkin's injury actually was a blessing for them?? If he doesn't get hurt, Posey probably doesn't play as much, and that penetration probably doesn't happen. |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 09:17 AM PST
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we are not enough mature men. That's all.
Phil has a special way of coaching if you want all you have to buy all the pack.
You can have all the defensive coaches you want but if you has no that kind of wildness...
The thing that piss me off is Celts has no better team than us. They have much more maturity than us.
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 09:57 AM PST
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| i dont like big leads especially in the 1st quarter.everything falls apart and we lose our touch as the game goes on |
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Post subject: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 10:14 AM PST
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| guys you sould take a look at LA times web site, they are ripping the lakers..... around 4-5 articles about last night melt down..... |
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Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 10:45 AM PST
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Regardless of the outcome of this series, I am not going to loose to much sleep over it. Yes it was a huge dissapointment to be up by so many points only to loose the game but the fact is that Bostons record stands for itself! While I have always been hopeful that we could bring the championship back to LA this season, I have had my doubts just based on Bostons record alone.
Personnaly, I think LA is finially back on track after several very dissapointing seasons.. We ARE the western conference champs! I dont think there is a single member on the board that would have expected that in the early or even mid part of this season. If some minor adjustments are made in the offseason, and the team takes on the Kobe school of offseason work ethic, Bynum makes his recovery, we will most certainly contend for the best record in the NBA this next season!
So for me, I am not going to get all down on myself, the team, PJ or anybody else for that matter.. Western Conference Champs against all odds with a very bright future ahead! Of course, we can never rule anything out when it comes to this team, but I take comfort in the fact that we are here right now, when in all likely hood, we could have easily been watching a different team fighting Boston right now.
Chin up guys, the future is bright! |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 10:46 AM PST
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clutchkb24 wrote:
CAZ, I feel you. Earlier in the season I also said a few things about Phil and his, "let them figure it out on their own" strategies. I argued that it worked great for his previous championship teams but not for these young guys. It is a different era and these guys are a bit more sensitive. I don't think the name calling and finger pointing in public is a great idea especially when it is towards Lamar, Luke or Rad for example. Do you think those guys take those words and get pumped up to improve their game and prove their coach wrong? I don't. I think they take it personal and it affects them. I was told I was not a real Laker fan. I was told he was preparing them for the playoffs to make them stronger. Well, obviously it did not work and it will not work. Knight makes some good points. He will probably get some heat for pointing out some facts but it is reality. I know it is a team loss but the way some of our guys were playing was simply embarrassing.
By the way, does anyone remember the movie, "Stand By Me?" After the game, I felt like the fat kid who drank some vegetable oil before entering the pie eating contest and vomitted all over the place.
It was Castor Oil, not Vegetable Oil. |
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Post subject: Re: Key Elements...(Must Read!)
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 10:48 AM PST
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LKnight wrote:
It's clear that we need major mental adjustments. On Lakers radio I heard money saying that Boston's defense Coach Tibido was seen standing up on every defensive possession teaching his team. Why with all the size on this team don't we have a defensive coach?! Can't we hire Larry Brown or even Punk @ss Vangundy for that since PJ clearly isn't capable of getting that out of this team??
Just my thoughts...
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His name is Thibodeau, not Tibido. He's kicking our a$$, he deserves to have his name spelled right. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Key Elements...(Must Read!)
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:40 AM PST
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I guess I se there arer other emotional Lakrs fans like myself I wasn't too sure if I went overboard on my love for the Lakers. I couldn't sleep last night, I ended up with 2 and a half hours of sleep. I haven't attempted to look at any sports websites because I might go off again. I'm pissd at the world right now, if I saw a 70 year old woman wearing a Boston jersey right now, I'd probably kick her in her shin.
I pretty much dislike 3/4 of the Lakers' team right now. All of our weaknesses were showcased for the world to see last night ranging from not being physical, mentally unfocused, defensively stupid, lack of slashers, I can go on, but it hurts.
The only reason I'm on here is because I'm looking at it like you guys are my support group, I think I smell a post coming up. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Key Elements...(Must Read!)
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:47 AM PST
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gemfow wrote:
I guess I se there arer other emotional Lakrs fans like myself I wasn't too sure if I went overboard on my love for the Lakers. I couldn't sleep last night, I ended up with 2 and a half hours of sleep. I haven't attempted to look at any sports websites because I might go off again. I'm pissd at the world right now, if I saw a 70 year old woman wearing a Boston jersey right now, I'd probably kick her in her shin.
I pretty much dislike 3/4 of the Lakers' team right now. All of our weaknesses were showcased for the world to see last night ranging from not being physical, mentally unfocused, defensively stupid, lack of slashers, I can go on, but it hurts.
The only reason I'm on here is because I'm looking at it like you guys are my support group, I think I smell a post coming up.
I feel u, it felt like I got my heart ripped outta my chest when the 24 pt lead dissapeared |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 11:57 AM PST
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BaadMaster wrote:
1And I would YELL at the top of my lungs at IDIOT JACKSON for taking out Ariza in the second half.
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What was up with that? I was totally confused. Ariza played great. When the lead went south, we needed a defensive stopper in there. I love PJ. I just didn't understand his judgment last night. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Key Elements
Posted: Jun 13, 2008 - 12:25 PM PST
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