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Post subject: Jazz fans crying over officiating need to stop
Posted: May 16, 2008 - 02:11 AM PST
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Please, somebody tell them to stop.
OK, I'll tell them to stop, and take the beating for it.
To all the Jazz fans who are crying . . . and crying . . . and crying about the refereeing in the Jazz-Lakers playoff series, how about this idea: Give it a rest.
It's old and it's tired and it's predictable and it's embarrassing and it's unfounded.
Drop the persecution complex.
Nobody's out to get you.
David Stern is not a grand puppet-master.
He's not Vince McMahon.
Since the end of Game 5 I've received complaints from at least a hundred fans about the Jazz getting jobbed in one form or another, or 30 anothers, by the refs.
Most of those protestations blast straight past accusations of ineptitude on the part of a few refs, and claim rather that there's a conspiracy afoot, that the NBA wants the Lakers in the Finals, and the Jazz are an inconvenience that must be dealt with by way of a crooked whistle.
C'mon, does anybody really believe that?
Really?
If they do, and they're not just popping off on account of the disappointment that comes with a big playoff loss, think about the implications - and the ramifications - that arrive
alongside.
The NBA is a billion-dollar business that relies on true competition at its core. If it were ever discovered that somebody from the league office was orchestrating or choreographing the outcomes of playoff games, that bombshell of lost credibility would explode the business and ruin the league, killing the cash cow.
The Jazz supposedly come from too small a market to make it worthwhile for the NBA to see - or allow - them to advance to the Finals, or block the Lakers' profitable road to glory. They were allowed in back in the '90s, the conspiracy concoction goes, because Michael Jordan was the other half of the equation. Meanwhile, the Spurs have gone all the way multiple times. And what about the Packers in the NFL, hailing from the metropolis of Green Bay? I know, I know, the NFL is honorable, the NBA is a bunch of scumbags.
Please.
If such accusations of institutional bastardization were true, too many people, including the referees, would know about it, and eventually the whole thing would come to light.
I've heard these charges, especially as they pertain to the Jazz, for 15 years. I've heard them from fans, broadcasters, and even a colleague in print, who wrote an entire column suspecting the NBA of foul play. But nearly all of those complainers had one thing in common: They rooted for the Jazz.
Fans are fans. By nature, they're not objective. They see what they see through biased eyes.
But to claim that an entire league is fixed and fraudulent is taking it too far.
Is it more than coincidence, for example, that Jazz fans who choose to hurl calls of malfeasance at the NBA, at the refs, do so only after their team loses? When the Jazz beat the Lakers in Salt Lake City, especially after Game 4, when the Jazz shot far more free throws than the Lakers, there were no accusations. After Game 5, those claims popped up like daisies.
I agree that referees have enormous power and, as John Stockton once told Larry Miller, they can influence the outcomes of games inside of five calls. But just because some of those calls go against a particular team does not mean the officials are out to get that team, even if fans disagree with the calls.
Basketball is a lot like figure skating. There are judgments made, significant judgments, every time down the floor. And there are a lot of blown calls, probably every possession. But it's not because of some sort of diabolical predetermined script. It's because basketball is impossible to impeccably officiate.
Refs don't have lasers for eyes. They cannot see everything. They are human. They make mistakes.
But that doesn't make them criminals or conspirators.
They also make a lot of great calls. Some of the best calls I've seen, sitting close to the court with a fantastic vantage point, were calls that were loudly booed by an entire home crowd.
NBA officials are the best refs at any level of basketball. There may be a dubious renegade, a Tim Donaghy here or there, but, in general, they are so much better than collegiate officials, it's not even close. Most of them have a great feel for the game. Given their human limitations, they do an admirable job.
And, basically, there is no alternative. If fans love pro basketball, and want it to go on, moving forward with the best refs is the best the game can do, even if fans' jaundiced eyes see things differently than what the officials see at any given moment.
Complaining about the refs is a part of the game. It's a privilege fans earn with their passion and their hard-earned cash dropped down for tickets. I get that. But if those fans really believe the game is rigged, that officials are making calls to expedite the success of certain teams so the NBA can make more money with marquee matchups, those fans are fools for caring so much. They should move on to another passion.
A crooked one, if that's what they truly believe the NBA is, just isn't worth the emotional toll exacted.
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Post subject: RE: Jazz fans crying over officiating need to stop
Posted: May 16, 2008 - 03:08 AM PST
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| There will always be a bad egg in every basket. There were corrupt presidents, crooked police officers, officials, politicians, McDonald employees. There will always be a small few that are currupt. But most are not. |
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Post subject: RE: Jazz fans crying over officiating need to stop
Posted: May 16, 2008 - 03:50 AM PST
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they can cry as much as they want
We won the game and that is it
the lakers just have to go to Utah and play an OK game
cause the last games in utah, lakers play horrible the first halfs and then ok on las quarter |
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Post subject: RE: Jazz fans crying over officiating need to stop
Posted: May 16, 2008 - 09:11 AM PST
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| I'm sure they haven't been crying with all the pushing that Boozer does. How about crying when Boozer two hand pushed Derek Fisher while setting a screen and it led to a three point play for AK-47 to put the Jazz up 5 in game 4. |
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Post subject: RE: Jazz fans crying over officiating need to stop
Posted: May 16, 2008 - 12:09 PM PST
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That board on the Jazz side is all about how they are being jobbed by david stern and the refs. Its freaking pathetic they even hate on chris paul because he is better then deron and call him chrissy its hilarios.
The Jazz fans have no class whatsoever and want harping to set up a hard screen on kobe and take him out ALA Big shot rob on D west. The mods have no control over their fans and only ban non jazz fans for calling them classless. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 01:55 PM PST
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These conspiracy theories are the dumbest things I ever hear coming from fans. I always get a kick out of it because they give ordinary human beings superior powers to manipulate the world around them magically. How sad.
And even sadder is the fact that they still watch the NBA and pay good money for tickets and shirts etc. So if in their heart of hearts they really believe this nonsense then why support such a corrupt and evil NBA League? Aren't they then aiding evil? So, move on - watch something else - forget about the Jazz because if they sincerely believe there is absolutely no chance the league will allow the Jazz to go on - then why even bother with it.
Why? Because they know it's all a bunch of bull. But they get together and get drunk off their own ridiculous theories until the next tipoff time. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 02:20 PM PST
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| if i remember correctly, after losing games 3-4, many of the posters here on LTB were doing all of the crying about bad officiating. lets be fair here instead of being biased homers. it seems like every time we lose a game its because of bad officiating, but when our opponents fans complain about the same, they are a bunch of babies and need to stop. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 02:38 PM PST
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Cyclone Nicky - Hell yeah we're biased homers. This is Lakers Topbuzz, so what else would a Laker fan do? As far as the officiating is concerned, I have had one gripe and that's when Boozer gave a nice push to Derek Fisher in overtime while setting a pick. That was an inexcusbable missed call from this biased homer.
As far as the officiating as a whole, it's your normal playoff officiating, the home team gets the calls, none of it has changed over the years, it's been that way for the longest. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 03:42 PM PST
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gemfow wrote:
As far as the officiating as a whole, it's your normal playoff officiating, the home team gets the calls, none of it has changed over the years, it's been that way for the longest.
Bingo! Home teams almost always get the benefit of the doubt. I am sure that the Las Vegas line setters know the reputation of all three refs before they set the line. It is convenient to come up with conspiracy theories involving David Stern and the refs, but I guarantee you no ref wants to go down the same path as Tim Donaghy. It's just human nature to give the benefit of the doubt to the home team. The only thing I'd like to see changed is that the three refs that start a given series continue throughout so it is fair.
Oh and speaking of Tim Donaghy, check out this photo. It looks like he's on drugs and about to swallow his whistle.
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 04:23 PM PST
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| it has been a clean series. both team had their calls at home. In games 3 and 4 Boozer was pushing someone on almost every play. |
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Posted: May 16, 2008 - 08:55 PM PST
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OK guys, time to go represent the Lakers on yet another whiny article that let's you post comments without registering: The Utah Jazz Do Not Get the Calls at Home
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Posted: May 17, 2008 - 02:57 AM PST
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cyclone_nicky wrote:
if i remember correctly, after losing games 3-4, many of the posters here on LTB were doing all of the crying about bad officiating. lets be fair here instead of being biased homers. it seems like every time we lose a game its because of bad officiating, but when our opponents fans complain about the same, they are a bunch of babies and need to stop.
Lord thank you for being a poster on this site. Agree with everything you say! I myself complain from the calls, but calls are uncalled on both sides, which evens out.. |
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