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BigD
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Post subject: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
 Posted: May 07, 2008 - 03:53 AM PST
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Every day I see folks post complete news articles from other sights.
This is very bad web etiquette (not to mention copyright infringement in most cases) to post a full article. The businesses that post the original articles will want to maximize page hits.
The more accepted approach is to post a teaser (a few paragraphs), but leave the majority of the post to be read on the website on which it is hosted.
Plus this is a discussion forum, not a news posting repository, so it's also desirable to see some commentary on the article or a brief summary.
This requirement should discourage people form continually posting articles in bursts and focus on the ones that are really interesting.
I just posted an example: Fun read: Notes from the MVP Ceremony |
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Post subject: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 04:47 AM PST
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| Yes, I agree. Posting a link should be sufficient. |
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Post subject: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 05:05 AM PST
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I think it is better to post the entire article. No offence to you, BigD, but my internet sometime can be very slow and this is one of the sites that loads up quickly. If I had to get onto one of those sites at times then it would be very annoying for me. I don't know how everyone else feels about this but this is my opinion.
BUT, I can understand where you are coming from but it has been like this for such a long time and I don't think the vets (J-Cool especially) have ever been told not to post an entire article but I could be dead wrong.
Also, this is in the wrong forum considering it's not about the Lakers. I'll move it to the everything else section. |
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Post subject: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 06:44 AM PST
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I've moved this to the announcement section but I don't know if Dave is going to enforce this or not so just wait and see.
I'm not sure if it's even an announcement so if one of the other mods could help me out here it would be appreciated. |
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Post subject: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 09:36 AM PST
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I know you mean well BigD, but you just joined in March bro. Maybe if you joined in January or something then you could flaunt some tenureship.........lol.
It doesn't matter to me whether the whole article is posted or not personally, but some people may like the fact that people do post the whole article.
Biggest thing is what happens with J-Cool after this, does he lose his job security? |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 10:39 AM PST
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Lakers4Kobe wrote:
I think it is better to post the entire article. No offence to you, BigD, but my internet sometime can be very slow and this is one of the sites that loads up quickly. If I had to get onto one of those sites at times then it would be very annoying for me. I don't know how everyone else feels about this but this is my opinion.
BUT, I can understand where you are coming from but it has been like this for such a long time and I don't think the vets (J-Cool especially) have ever been told not to post an entire article but I could be dead wrong.
Also, this is in the wrong forum considering it's not about the Lakers. I'll move it to the everything else section.
I agree with what you said. It´s just more comfortable that you can read the whole article just by clicking on the topic. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 10:55 AM PST
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| You put the link anyways.. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Web Etiquette 101: Do not post full articles
Posted: May 07, 2008 - 11:13 AM PST
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| Either way is fine with me. It's at the discretion of the person posting it. However they want it to be read, they're the one that found it, so I will trust that person's judgment. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 12:16 PM PST
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| Yeah, I'm not bothered either way it's posted as long as it's posted in the right section. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 12:50 PM PST
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BigD has a good point- a teaser portion of the article is more appropriate because it gives the source more respect and credit. I do see how it's more convenient for a lot of us who rather read the entire article here on LTB.
I'm not going to ban anyone over if you post the whole article. But I do want to recommend not posting the whole story and always including a link to the source (which you guys always do anyways). It's the right thing to do. Thanks everyone! |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 01:12 PM PST
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| some websites require a membership to look at their articles, i know espn does w/ its insider articles. So i think posting the entire article (w// the link) to these type of websites is cool, but for the ones that everybody can access this may apply. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 01:19 PM PST
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| The problem is that a lot of sites are limited to subcribers only so the links don't work unless you sign up. I can't imagine there is any copyright infringement unless the poster is claiming the article as their own. I do agree the source should be listed as they deserve acknowledgement. Also, at my work, they monitor web activity and block sites they consider "social group" type sites so often the links are blocked for that reason. I hope posters will continue to post the entire article and recaps of video and audio interviews as it is greatly appreciated. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 03:06 PM PST
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It really shouldnt matter... its the internet.
post the whole article, post a link. dont matter.
so what if we take away a few hits from the OC register, its an internet article.
their focus is selling papers. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 03:46 PM PST
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To All:
1) I'm not trying to be the internet police; I'm merely pointing out that posting an entire article is stealing content, just as when an entire video is posted on Youtube, it gets the likes of Disney, etc. upset because it is copyright infringement.
There is no difference between video and print. It is copyright infringement regardless, and if someone wanted to crack down, they could. If you write a blog on this site and someone else posts the entire thing somewhere else, it is copyright infringement. The ONLY content you may freely post is that from "wiki" sites or any site like that that explicitly gives permission to copy.
How do I know all this? I write for a magazine that also posts all written articles on their website and I run a few websites of my own and I have taken a copyritght class.
2) The point of posting printed articles on line is to get hits that generate revenue form the various forms of ads that appear above and within the articles. That's why articles are spread across multiple pages so they can serve up more ads. There is no technical reason to do so. Someone's job may depend on revenue from clicks. No Joke.
3) The places that require memberships do so for a reason. I am not fond of this approach, but it is their choice and we have to live with that.
4) Personally, I'd like to see a little analysis or summary of the article at the top so I know if it is something I want to read or not. This is a discussion forum after all and not a news repository.
At the end of the day though, Dave said he is not going to ban anyone, and personally I am not going to say anything beyond this post. As I mentioned, I am not trying to be the internet police.
Peace,
BigD |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 03:59 PM PST
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 05:56 PM PST
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| Big D I Sorry man but peoples like poppingtags would ask me to post to whole article man. Dave please don't be upset with me. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 06:18 PM PST
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J-Cool wrote:
Big D I Sorry man but peoples like poppingtags would ask me to post to whole article man. Dave please don't be upset with me.
J-Cool, no need to be sorry. You provide a great service by digging up great tidbits off the web.
I'm just trying to make people aware that magazines and newspapers are going through rough times right now and every click through counts.
And personally I'd love to see your insight into each article above the text.
What made you stop and think "Hmmm the fellas at LTB would like/dislike this article?" This can help kick-starts the discussion too.
And one extra click ain't gonna send anyone to the emergency room.  |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 07:12 PM PST
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| I never really thought of this before, but I fully agree with BigD. Regardless of how fast your internet is, it doesn't condone taking away web traffic from host sites. And I'm not fully aware of this, but I would assume that one way management evaluates an online writer's performance would be the amount of web hits his/her articles draw. |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 07:17 PM PST
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J-Cool wrote:
Big D I Sorry man but peoples like poppingtags would ask me to post to whole article man. Dave please don't be upset with me.
I personally don't see how posting a portion would benefit everyone when the other site requires you to sign up in order to read the full article. ex (Latimes).
Now half the people here wont want to waste time going through a whole registering process just to see the latest Laker news. I know I wont...and I'm registered with alot of them.
But that's just me.
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 07:49 PM PST
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LKnight wrote:
I personally don't see how posting a portion would benefit everyone when the other site requires you to sign up in order to read the full article. ex (Latimes).
Now half the people here wont want to waste time going through a whole registering process just to see the latest Laker news. I know I wont...and I'm registered with alot of them.
But that's just me.
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I feel the same way and I hate registering for a site, but I believe this hurts sites like the Times rather than helping them. People should write to the Times telling them how lame it is. Maybe we could form a petition here...
Regardless, it does not change the copyright laws and other points made above.
By the way, for those of you that use Firefox, there is a plugin that allows you to post a "disposable email" address that links to your real address. It is active long enough to register for sites like the Times.
Here is the link to the tool: TrashMail.net 1.0.10 |
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Posted: May 07, 2008 - 09:26 PM PST
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| I have never thought of this before and I agree. Web based articles needs hits to generate revenue from sponsors. Thank you BigD for the input. REPPED! |
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