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Post subject: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
 Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 11:17 AM PST
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Its too early to plan for next year. Not with Drew and Pau being able to play a single minute together. But if my crystal ball holds true, there is one move I am considering heavily.
The Raps have been complaining about Jason Kapono for the longest time. I say he is simply a terrible fit on their team since they do not have the inside presence to attract the double-kickout-swing.
Imagine the 2-time reigning 3-point king added to our lineup? Won't that be nice? I mean, its not like we will be giving them so much of value, they might be content with an excellent passer on the three spot and some insurance at the middle.
I'm talking about offering Walton and Mihm. 2 of our starters from last year's team but now 3rd-string SF and C respectively. I like Bill's kid but I think he lacks the range and the athleticism to fit into our new team. With a healthyTrevor Ariza next year and with VladRad regainng his confidence, we will be deadlier than ever.
Kapono gives you the insurance at the three to space the floor, or a valuable SG when Kobe plays the three. He is 6'8 and he plays the 2-3 for us. This also enables us to re-up Sasha on the cheap. Perhaps some 3-yr 8m deal would work for him and this allows us to throw a little more money at Ronny for him to stay.
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PG - Fisher / Farmar / Sasha
SG - Kobe / Kapono / Son of George
SF - Odom / Ariza / Radmanovic /
PF - Gasol / Turiaf
C - Bynum / DJ Mbenga / Kwame ??
You'd probably crucify me on the last entry but won't he come in handy if he signed for 1m? I mean, wouldn't you do it? He could be the 3rd string after all, since Phil can choose to alternate Drew and Pau at the C. Kwame is strictly used for defense. |
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Post subject: RE: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 01:33 PM PST
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yeh tats wut i think once memphis lets go of kwame lets get him bak man.. we have plenty of offense
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Post subject: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 01:56 PM PST
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| The only thing I like about this trade, ( mihm-luke for kapono) is that we'd be gettin rid of two below average players. As far as recieving Kapono, I dont see it increasing our 3-point average by to much. Although Kapono is leading the league in 3-pointers made percentage, he's hardly shot any this year. He's shot and made about half of what Sasha has shot and made this year, and Sasha's percentage is only 5% below Kapono's. Percentages decrease with an increase of attempts. I can see him (Kapono) still being in the top ten in the league if he doubled his shot attempts, but we already have a top ten 3-point shooter in Sasha. Plus Fisher and Radmonavich are both shooting above 40% from behind the arch. I think we are fine as far as 3-point shooters are concerned. Now getting Kwame back for dirt cheap would be a great move. He can definitely serve as a defensive presence/ 3rd back up, Especially if we drop Mihm. |
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Post subject: RE: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:29 PM PST
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Great post Warren. If we can unload Walton and Mihm for Kapono I would be happy with that. We get a 3 point shooter who can't miss and with our two seven footers on the floor, nobody is going to be there to defend him and he will be hitting shot after shot with Sasha and Vladimir.
As for Kwame, I would take him back for $1-$3million if he would take that. He could be used on the defensive ends to tire down the other teams centers. Just don't expect him to get a shot in and he will be fine. |
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Post subject: RE: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:34 PM PST
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| Great post again warren, but i honestly think farmar has earned the rite to start next year and i think he will seeing as fishers lack of defense lately, but i like the kapono idea |
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Post subject: RE: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:42 PM PST
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| I think Kapono is a great WIDE OPEN shooter. As shown by the 3 point shootouts. But the difficulty of threes Sasha sometimes puts up makes his stats look worse. If Sasha was taking strictly open threes like Kapono does, he may be above 50% as well. Sasha plays a lot better defense than Kapono. And I don't exactly understand the logic, that if we get Kapono, Sasha signs for less. The way I see it is if we get Kapono, Sasha doesn't sign at all. Sasha is also 4 years younger. I may be coming off strong but, it just doesn't make sense to me. We've already got 3 40%+ 3 point shooters. Kapono doesn't bring anything else to the table. We need permeter defense badly, and that's what Ariza/Sasha give us. I'm all for seeing Mihm go, but for the right person, and Kapono ,to me, makes no sense whatsoever. I do like the idea of Kwame coming back though, if he only works on defense. |
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Post subject: RE: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 05:16 PM PST
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Acquiring Kapono does not fix a problem for our boyz. Kapono is a three pt shooter and thats it. We already have Vlad, Sasha, Fish, Farmar, KB (during winning time). How many shooters do we need? Also Kapono is a major liability on defense. Kapono is Sasha without ball handling and less defense.
Note you will not get Kapono for Luke and Mihm. You basically are saying trade our 12th and 13th man (when we are healthy) for a starter. Not going to happen.
The Lakers need another backup PG, maybe a wing defender, and a little backup beef in the middle. Look at the current roster. When fully healthy you have for example Turiaf as the 10th man. That is pretty deep already. If LA goes deep in the playoffs this year, we have a team that will contend for at least the next 5-6 seasons. Which means we look for bench filler and nothing more. |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Meh
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 05:26 PM PST
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laker2thegrave wrote:
Acquiring Kapono does not fix a problem for our boyz. Kapono is a three pt shooter and thats it. We already have Vlad, Sasha, Fish, Farmar, KB (during winning time). How many shooters do we need? Also Kapono is a major liability on defense. Kapono is Sasha without ball handling and less defense.
Note you will not get Kapono for Luke and Mihm. You basically are saying trade our 12th and 13th man (when we are healthy) for a starter. Not going to happen.
The Lakers need another backup PG, maybe a wing defender, and a little backup beef in the middle. Look at the current roster. When fully healthy you have for example Turiaf as the 10th man. That is pretty deep already. If LA goes deep in the playoffs this year, we have a team that will contend for at least the next 5-6 seasons. Which means we look for bench filler and nothing more.
Only on our team are luke and mihm the 3rd string players, on many teams in the league they would start, so i think toronto would make that trade, im not saying that he is a perfect fit for our team but i do think he would do more for our team than mihm (who cant stay healthy) and for luke (who sometimes has his problems) |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 05:28 PM PST
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| we have shooters, we need another players like ariza |
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Post subject: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 07:12 PM PST
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warrenweelim wrote:
Its too early to plan for next year. Not with Drew and Pau being able to play a single minute together. But if my crystal ball holds true, there is one move I am considering heavily.
The Raps have been complaining about Jason Kapono for the longest time. I say he is simply a terrible fit on their team since they do not have the inside presence to attract the double-kickout-swing.
Imagine the 2-time reigning 3-point king added to our lineup? Won't that be nice? I mean, its not like we will be giving them so much of value, they might be content with an excellent passer on the three spot and some insurance at the middle.
I'm talking about offering Walton and Mihm. 2 of our starters from last year's team but now 3rd-string SF and C respectively. I like Bill's kid but I think he lacks the range and the athleticism to fit into our new team. With a healthyTrevor Ariza next year and with VladRad regainng his confidence, we will be deadlier than ever.
Kapono gives you the insurance at the three to space the floor, or a valuable SG when Kobe plays the three. He is 6'8 and he plays the 2-3 for us. This also enables us to re-up Sasha on the cheap. Perhaps some 3-yr 8m deal would work for him and this allows us to throw a little more money at Ronny for him to stay.
Lineup:
PG - Fisher / Farmar / Sasha
SG - Kobe / Kapono / Son of George
SF - Odom / Ariza / Radmanovic /
PF - Gasol / Turiaf
C - Bynum / DJ Mbenga / Kwame ??
You'd probably crucify me on the last entry but won't he come in handy if he signed for 1m? I mean, wouldn't you do it? He could be the 3rd string after all, since Phil can choose to alternate Drew and Pau at the C. Kwame is strictly used for defense.
good idea, but dont we need a defender? |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 08:35 PM PST
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| ariza is a great defender |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 09:12 PM PST
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Good idea, but I'm not a fan with Kapono taking Sasha's spot after 4 years of the young Slovenian fighting for that spot. Besides, we already have enough shooters on this team anyway. We should trade Luke and Mihm for another veteran big, preferably one who can play both 4 and 5 (ANY IDEAS ANYONE?). And I'm ok with resigning Kwame for cheap. He was actually a pretty good backup, but his confidence just dipped dramatically, causing him to play like crap when he was starting.
PG: Fisher/Farmar
SG: Kobe/Sasha/Karl
SF: Lamar/Raddy/Ariza
PF: Gasol/Turiaf/???
C: Bynum/Kwame/Mbenga |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 09:18 PM PST
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| Nice to see you posting again, Warren, but honestly. We don't need another shooter. By next year Jordan and Sasha will be unstoppable from back there and Vlad is playing alright. We can't focus to much on that position because then our other aspects of the game will be ignored and teams will just take advantage of them. That could be a disaster. Plus, Luke can do more than Kapono. Luke does the dirty work, stuff not coming on the scoreboard. Bu it's important. He has good Offensive Rebounds. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 09:25 PM PST
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We could use our MLE on Kurt Thomas.
PG: Farmar/Fisher
SG: Kobe/Sasha/Ariza
SF: Odom/Ariza/Radman/Luke
PF: Gasol/Turiaf/Radman (He is 6 feet 10 inches tall)
C: Bynum/Thomas/Radman
I don't see us resigning Mbenga or Coby Karl. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Spectator's Notebook: Planning Next Year's Team
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 02:06 AM PST
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I see many of you missed my point. Still, I won't be insisting that you like the deal but as far as merit goes...
1. Kapono is a high-percentage shooter. No defense, hardly creates his own shot.
2. Radmanovic is more like a 3/4 guy whom we use to emulate Rob Horry. However, he too plays little to no defense. Horry is still way way better on that department.
3. Sasha Vujacic, before the year, pondered on returning to Europe to seek a job. He would find it in some Euro team but his performance this year has boosted his stock. There is a very good chance now he re-signs with us.
4. Luke Walton is now the team's goat. He makes boneheaded plays after another and he seemed to have lost confidence when Phil decided to start Lamar at the 3. Not a very good sign considering he had just signed a 6-yr 30m deal.
5. A hidden agenda here would be to trade both Mihm and Walton, the 12th and 14th player when we are full strength for a player who has a contract that spans for only 4 years as supposed to Luke's 6.
In the summer of 2011, Kobe, Pau, Radman and Kapono would then be off the books. Kobe and Pau will each be signing 3-yr extensions for their timelines to go along with Bynum's year. Kapono will come off the books earlier than Luke and the collective contracts of Mihm and Walton are more expensive to keep than that of Kapono's alone. Let alone the fact that it spans to only 4 years as supposed to Luke's six.
In the end, its still a judgment call. Sasha will still be retained because he is a pesky defender and he can play PG in case Fish and Farmar sprain an ankle. |
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 - 03:02 AM PST
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Not to be a naysayer, but as much as I like the potential of the current laker roster, in recent weeks, certain weaknesses have become apparent. Obviously, the return of our big men addresses the problem in the middle, but consistency at PG will remain a problem.
But, is Farmar really the Laker's PG of the future? I seriously question his legitimacy as a true NBA PG. The guy plays no defense. I like what I see from him on the offensive end, at times. But, even at his best on offense, he remains inconsistent. Can he pick up his game? I hope so. But, as question marks on players go, considering the apparent Laker depth, I don't expect Kupchak to pass on opportunities in the off season to make an improvement at PG.
Granted, getting Fisher back this year has been great for the team, but he is at the age where guys start having trouble staying in front of young quick guards on the defensive end. And as for Sasha, he is simply not a true point guard. He is a great role player for catch and shoot, but that's about it for him.
All considered, we don't need another gun like Kapono. We need leadership on the floor. Watch for Kupchak to unload 2 or 3 players in exchange for a true PG this off season. |
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 - 03:15 AM PST
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on The Contrary MOLakerFan
To Be A Naysayer I Say That Kapono Is Not, Is Not needed (Picture Maury saying that Its Funny)
we got guys we dont need to be pheonix all threes and crap (i know "we need players on the perimeter to let andrew/pau have their way")... actually NOT!
damn wif kobe there they cant pay attention to bynum/pau
another question is how the heck is the opponents gonna decide who to double down low Bynum or gasol either way they loose!!
Farmar and fish can continue to suck I t dont matter the Lakers can play 3 man game
and damn i almost forgot LAMAR ODOM(yes im yelling! haha) so kapono is a no no and i just found out that that rymes |
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 - 11:43 AM PST
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| Excellent post like always, and I think getting Kapono would be a great pickup because we would have a backup for Kobe and another shooter out there with Sasha and Kobe. |
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 - 12:26 PM PST
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FreQuency3 wrote:
on The Contrary MOLakerFan
To Be A Naysayer I Say That Kapono Is Not, Is Not needed (Picture Maury saying that Its Funny)
we got guys we dont need to be pheonix all threes and crap (i know "we need players on the perimeter to let andrew/pau have their way")... actually NOT!
damn wif kobe there they cant pay attention to bynum/pau
another question is how the heck is the opponents gonna decide who to double down low Bynum or gasol either way they loose!!
Farmar and fish can continue to suck I t dont matter the Lakers can play 3 man game
and damn i almost forgot LAMAR ODOM(yes im yelling! haha) so kapono is a no no and i just found out that that rymes
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Posted: Mar 30, 2008 - 02:37 PM PST
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| In my opinion Niether farmar or fish have been "Sucking"...Fish is a veteran and has been playing alot of minutes..and hitting shots...hes had a few bad games at the defensive end but he'll get through the slump and farmar has been doing fine...he has not been great or anything but i think hes doing ok |
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