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 Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 09:49 PM PST
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guys, i wouldnt call walton a "scrub". he is what he is, and thats an average role player that should come off the bench. can he help us? sure. but his minutes should definitely go down when our team gets healthy.
when we signed luke the moment free agency began, i said at the time that we made a big mistake by giving him a 6 year 30 mil dollar contract. many of you at the time gave me a really hard time. i knew that we should have waited to see what other teams were offering and then we could have moved forward and matched the offer as long as it wasnt mle type money. i highly doubt that any team would have offered their mle for him. i really think that we could have signed him 3-4 years at 3-4 mil per year. luke never wanted to leave LA so we really should have waited and signed him for less.
having him for another 5 seasons for 25 mil means that we are basically stuck with him. normally i wouldnt complain because lets face it, us fans arent paying the guy and we are over the cap anyway but with ariza playing so well before the injury and the fact that he fills a need defensively, i really dont see where luke will get his minutes at. with odom moving to the three when pau comes back, we are pretty much going to be overloaded at that position meaning that luke will hardly get any playing time, thus making it difficult to move him in a trade if needed.
all i can say is hopefully luke can get healthy and maybe he can help our team next season in some way while playing limited minutes. |
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Post subject: RE: BENCH LUKE PETITION
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:14 PM PST
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| its simple..... i dont like him and he makes us worse |
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:26 PM PST
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Well said Cyclone Nicky. That's how I feel too.
Luke is welcoming this "bashing" by his play on the floor period. It doesn't make you less of a Laker fan to want your players to step up. Hell, if I was on a team and sucking a** I don't think there would be one player on that team that wouldn't let me know I was sucking a**. Including the fans. What are we supposed to do, just say "Hey Luke, you've been sucking a** all year...but it's okay buddy! We're just glad you're here!" Puulease! LOL
I just find it very interesting that the year AFTER a player signs a big contract is usually the worst year of that player's career. There is a lot of pressure to live up to that contract. And we got a WHOLE LOT OF YEARS left with Walton and he's got a WHOLE LOT OF PRESSURE. |
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Post subject: RE: BENCH LUKE PETITION
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:26 PM PST
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Right now we have 11 healthy players including Coby, DJ, Ira which really means we have 8 healthy players. Coby and DJ only should get spot minutes and Ira is probably still making sure he goes into the right locker room.
This means Luke must play regardless of his poor play at times until we get some healthy bodies back. For that matter Luke does not look healthy. Either way we will continue to see Luke play for the near future.
Also not Luke is not eligible for the D-League and as I stated above the inactive list is not a reasonable option. |
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Post subject: RE: BENCH LUKE PETITION
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:30 PM PST
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| I don't see the point of this the title is kind of misleading. I don't see any mention of a "Petition", the first post has racial remarks in it, and a petition won't do anything as the coaching staff decides minutes not the fans. |
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Post subject: RE: BENCH LUKE PETITION
Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:34 PM PST
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| On second thought, I'll unlock this and make it the offical "I Hate Luke" thread |
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Maybe I led you to believe that basketball was a God given gift, and not something I worked for... every single day of my life.
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:38 PM PST
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BallerKB24 wrote:
Well said Cyclone Nicky. That's how I feel too.
Luke is welcoming this "bashing" by his play on the floor period. It doesn't make you less of a Laker fan to want your players to step up. Hell, if I was on a team and sucking a** I don't think there would be one player on that team that wouldn't let me know I was sucking a**. Including the fans. What are we supposed to do, just say "Hey Luke, you've been sucking a** all year...but it's okay buddy! We're just glad you're here!" Puulease! LOL
I just find it very interesting that the year AFTER a player signs a big contract is usually the worst year of that player's career. There is a lot of pressure to live up to that contract. And we got a WHOLE LOT OF YEARS left with Walton and he's got a WHOLE LOT OF PRESSURE.
lets just hope after resting and getting healthy this offseason he comes back next season and plays like he did in 06-07. there will be no more injury excuses then. |
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 10:41 PM PST
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| Phil on Luke: "Well, I welcomed him back as a player after Friday night's game. I'll take that back after [Sunday] night's game," he said. "He looked like he was back in the fold Friday night, but he really struggled [Sunday] night." |
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 11:24 PM PST
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| This year for Luke has been terrible, but that happens sometimes, players just have terrible years...take Dwyane Wade for example, he has had a terrible year...compare this one to the rest of his years and this one is by far his worse...now, don't look at his numbers because they won't tell you what you need to know...you had to watch Wade play to understand what I'm talking about...so, there are times when a player has a terrible year, and unfortunately this year Luke is having one of those...I also felt like Kwame was also, remember the surgery he had to get and then getting reinjured at the beginning of the season...it's unfortunate for these players, but it is what it is... |
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Posted: Mar 25, 2008 - 11:55 PM PST
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| Luke's lost confidence in the outside shot, plain and simple. If he got it back I think it could open his whole game up. But for the time being, he's third-string talent. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 12:51 AM PST
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| I dont hate luke but he still sucks. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 02:12 AM PST
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| Hey guys it may be obvious that Luke has a not so good season but he will hit his strides eventually so let's just be patient with all of our players and not bash them when they are in a funk. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:37 AM PST
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trublulaker wrote:
Hey guys it may be obvious that Luke has a not so good season but he will hit his strides eventually so let's just be patient with all of our players and not bash them when they are in a funk.
It's okay to dislike someone in your fav. team, call it tough love, but don't go the personal level guys, he's still a laker, Critic to be constructive. We've had times where we didn't like how Lamar plays and now look at him, at times people scratches their heads when Ronny passes the ball out of the paint instead of taking the shot, but we still love him.. Every player in the NBA will have slumps, some will have slumps on a game to game basis, some would just have a crappy season. We dont know if something is bothering Luke, maybe physically or even mentally, so be kind Laker fans.. NBA players are human too you know.. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 07:06 AM PST
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Luke is no Tim Thomas. I look at Luke on the court and the guy plays hard, he just doesn't knock down the perimter shot on a consistent basis like last year. His defense isn't as atrocious as some would make it seem, he's a good team defender not an individual defender. I think the best way to judge his game is when he's healthy, which hasn't bee the case this year.
Also, people want to talk about giving him the MLE was a mistake, but take a look at other MLE players in the league and a majority of them aren't that good and I would take Luke over them anyday. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 11:15 AM PST
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| I go along with the fans who remember how well Luke was playing before the last injury. He has never been the same since. He can't leap as good as he used to and he never was a great vertical guy to begin with. So, he can not attack the backet very well and doesn't have the same lift from his legs that he needs for his outside jumper. Hopefully over the summer he will have time to completely recover and rehab his legs back where they were when he was playing great. Having said that.......I HATE the HATE threads. Let's have a discussion, but lets not hate a guy who is trying as hard as he can. Especially a good guy like Luke. He needs our support while he goes through this. We are Laker fans aren't we? |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 11:34 AM PST
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| I'm with you JamFan...everything you said is damn right. It is so stupid to hate on someone so much. Luke is going to keep playing and he will play during the playoffs so its about time everyone starts supporting or something cause the hate s*** is ridiculous. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 12:53 PM PST
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To those bashing Luke...
We are tied for first in the wild West and have far exceeded any expectations we had this year. We are managing to beat good teams despite not having any of our centers, two of which are our 2nd and 3rd best players. But leave it to some of the fans on this site (not all, there are a lot of good members) to focus on the negative. I'm so glad I don't have to sit next to you guys during Laker games, because I would probably want to jump off a bridge if I had to listen to you.
Hooray to the members who have a "Go Lakers" attitude. This is what we should focus on.
Shame on the members who have a "Screw Luke" attitude. You guys just don't get it and probably never will. Your glass is obviously half empty. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 01:11 PM PST
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| Stop hating on Luke. I know he's not the most athletic and consistent shooter on the team but he tries his best and is a decent post-up man. Just because Kwame isn't here anymore doesn't mean that we have to start hating on the next guy. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 04:06 PM PST
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I agree, its the same with Odum when he wasnt playing good many said to trade him and how much they hated him now they are all praising him!
if luke steps up!i repeat if!!! all of them would change their tone!this means they are bandwagon fans!
im not saying he's playing good, and i agree with blndlfty01 u cant just move to thenext player and starting hating him!whos after luke?! |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 07:40 PM PST
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jbully314 wrote:
To those bashing Luke...
We are tied for first in the wild West and have far exceeded any expectations we had this year. We are managing to beat good teams despite not having any of our centers, two of which are our 2nd and 3rd best players. But leave it to some of the fans on this site (not all, there are a lot of good members) to focus on the negative. I'm so glad I don't have to sit next to you guys during Laker games, because I would probably want to jump off a bridge if I had to listen to you.
Hooray to the members who have a "Go Lakers" attitude. This is what we should focus on.
Shame on the members who have a "Screw Luke" attitude. You guys just don't get it and probably never will. Your glass is obviously half empty.
I haven't read anybody on this site hating on the Lakers as a team. Everyone is thrilled that we have far exceeded expectations this season. I think it is fair and ok to discuss each player's performance and it doesn't make us bad fans. NBA players are very high paid entertainers . In the world most of us fans live in, if you don't perform on your job, you get disciplined and if you continue to not perform, you get fired. If it were possible, I think 90% + of the members here would fire Luke at this point for his performance. Every Laker player makes mistakes, misses shots, makes bad passes, turns the ball over...it is part of the game but the only hate thread going right now is with Luke. I have nothing personal against Luke, but I do not enjoy his "performance". Luke is playing like a bum on a consistent basis and doesn't seem to bring intelligence or energy to his game. That is what is so frustrating. Ronny makes a ton, a ton of mistakes but you don't see a Ronny hate thread because he plays with passion so us fans are forgiving. All we want is maximum effort. |
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Posted: Mar 26, 2008 - 07:50 PM PST
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