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    There was also a lot of turmoil among the Laker team after they lost in the championship game. Malone was having problems with Kobe when he made a pass at Venessa. Shaq was mouthing off to management and couldn't play together with Kobe anymore.
    So Fisher does not like turmoil like that, so he wanted out, and naturally there was the money offer from Golden State. But it was ugly when the Lakers broke up the team. Too many old super stars on that team and by the end of the season they were all injuried. That is what happens when you have too many old players and that is what is going to happen to the Celtics this season. Too Old!
     
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    ok so i know it is very early in the season and come june the lakers will most likely be there. with that being said, i still think we need to improve our bench depth. realistically not many teams will want to trade with the defending champs, especially anyone out west. who could we actually land to help add some stability off the bench. is a guy like gerald wallace from charlotte possible for some expiring contracts or maybe kirk hinrich from the bulls??? any good ideas?
     
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    ^ Those 2 are a long shot.

    I still like the James Posey idea. Judging that he's a Hornet, his contract is expendable. Expiring contracts of either Famar or Morrison could do it along with maybe Josh Powell or DJ?

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    I agree that we need a perimeter shooter. We just don't have anybody that we can depend on to make the three and spread the floor. I agree if Posey is available, I am all for it to trade Sasha, Morrison and DJ for Posey.
     
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    James Posey is the 3rd SF off the bench for the Hornets: (Hornets Depth Chart) http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/depth?team=nor

    James Posey career stats: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/s ... ayerId=671

    Either one of these trade possibilities will work but also include Vladimir Radmanovic's trade exception of $1,890,200 :

    - Trade Adam Morrison for James Posey: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=mptndp

    - Trade Sasha Vujacic for James Posey: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=yhrvojd

    *There is a problem with the "Trade Machine" displaying the results of these 2 trade ideas but both trades were successful.*

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    how is kirk a longshot. everyone knows the bulls are trying to get dwade next summer and we have expiring contracts to trade. i wouldn't mind getting posey but i honestly think a solid pg is our biggest problem.

    fish, kirk
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    i dont think the 3 is our biggest hole. to me walton is a decent reserve who knows the system and knows his capabilities. our pg is really our only big weakness.
     
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    I've wanted G Wallace for a couple of years now. But i don't think we can get him anymore because why would they take back morrison after they had just traded him?

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    I actually like the Posey idea. He would help the bench on offense and defense.

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    Posey is 32. We don't need anymore bad contracts tried with old players. We already cut it close with Artest and Odom. Any other acquisitions should be young talent or talent just entering their prime.

    I wanna be optimistic about the possibility of getting Kirk while giving up only scrubs, but the reality is this:

    If the Bulls were to move Hinrich, it would be right at or near the Trade Deadline. If we give up Farmar and Morrison, who is gonna soak up minutes behind Fisher while Hinrich learns the triangle? We had that luxury with Brown last year. According to many GM's and coaches on this site, Sasha is incapable of making a recreational team at the YMCA.

    Adding a high impact PG into the system MIDSEASON is no seamless transition.

    Then you gotta worry about the gaudy contract he brings. As if we don't have enough of those. The more money goes to waste the more shallow the bench becomes.

    It's not easy.
     
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    jc89 wrote:
    everyone knows the bulls are trying to get dwade next summer and we have expiring contracts to trade.



    Trade Adam Morrison (with his expiring contract) and Sasha Vujacic to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=ykqtoze

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    Since Farmar wasn't offered an extension, I believe he will get traded.


    Trade Jordan Farmar to Washington for Javaris Crittenton

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... eId=pqqcr8

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    Nay511 wrote:
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    everyone knows the bulls are trying to get dwade next summer and we have expiring contracts to trade.



    Trade Adam Morrison (with his expiring contract) and Sasha Vujacic to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=ykqtoze


    They wouldn't take it they wanna get rid of all his salary so they have room for a max contract. Best bet would be 2 expiring contracts. They also wat some value back i assume draft pics.
     
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    its funny u guys say posey because i was thinkin the same thing today and also i was watching some other teams tonite and are bench doesnt have a guy that can come off the bench and lite it up and i think thats wat we r missing it seems like the second unit struggles to score. maybe we can just dump a couple of contracts for a guy that is just a pure scorer.
     
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    [quote="Axle"]I agree that we need a perimeter shooter. We just don't have anybody that we can depend on to make the three and spread the floor. I agree if Posey is available, I am all for it to trade Sasha, Morrison and DJ for Posey.[/quote

    We have one right under our noses....Shannon Brown. Ever look at his 3 pt. percentage? It is close to 50%. Just let the man play, shoot and score. We don't need no stinkin'Posey!
     
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    Posey continues to struggle. Confused

    I think we should look for a new candidate guys... Lol

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    I am thinking about giving Sasha to Memphis for Iverson... Worst case scenario they bench Iverson and save $5M next year. Gives the media another story to write about Imploding and Mark Cuban will be happy. If it works out we get a good player that can creates its own shot on the 2nd unit. Iverson's defense can't be worst than Sasha... Chemistry... No idea, but if anyone can clam Iverson down would be Phil and Kobe again...

    Next the Lakers can either move Morrison and Farmar for a big or just let the expiring contract expire. Either way if they don't sign Iverson again next year, they will save $10+M on top of the pay reduction on Fisher next year.
     
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    I like dang or salmen from the bulls
     
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    maddtekk wrote:
    I am thinking about giving Sasha to Memphis for Iverson... Worst case scenario they bench Iverson and save $5M next year. Gives the media another story to write about Imploding and Mark Cuban will be happy. If it works out we get a good player that can creates its own shot on the 2nd unit. Iverson's defense can't be worst than Sasha... Chemistry... No idea, but if anyone can clam Iverson down would be Phil and Kobe again...

    Next the Lakers can either move Morrison and Farmar for a big or just let the expiring contract expire. Either way if they don't sign Iverson again next year, they will save $10+M on top of the pay reduction on Fisher next year.


    Iverson recently said he doesn't like coming off the bench.

    something like "if you look at my stats, they aren't for the bench"

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    Iverson for Sasha would be a no brainer.

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    gysirwill wrote:
    I like dang or salmen from the bulls



    I also like both of those players, but forget it, the Bulls are not about to trade them away. Rolling Eyes
     
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    We need a change soon. Our guards off the bench are not playing well, especially Sasha and Farmar...... Morrison can go since his expiring contract is a plus. But Im not satisfied with our guard rotation........ Hate to say it but the Celdics are playing better basketball at this point in the early season.

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    i dont care who we get rid of off the bench but mitch should try to make a deal for will bynun the pistons mite consider it they have three point guards
     
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    sonsnameiskobe wrote:
    i dont care who we get rid of off the bench but mitch should try to make a deal for will bynun the pistons mite consider it they have three point guards


    A TRADE FOR BYNUM? ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
     
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    Axle wrote:
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    i dont care who we get rid of off the bench but mitch should try to make a deal for will bynun the pistons mite consider it they have three point guards


    A TRADE FOR BYNUM? ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


    Axle,
    You might be getting confused. There are two Bynum's in the League. One is a guard playing for Detroit.

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    cuckooroller wrote:
    Axle wrote:
    sonsnameiskobe wrote:
    i dont care who we get rid of off the bench but mitch should try to make a deal for will bynun the pistons mite consider it they have three point guards


    A TRADE FOR BYNUM? ARE YOU FREAKING NUTS? Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


    Axle,
    You might be getting confused. There are two Bynum's in the League. One is a guard playing for Detroit.


    OH! You are right Cuckooroller. I didn't think about the other Bynum. Thanks for straightening me out. Embarassed Embarassed
     
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    i doubt dumars would be willing to trade a young and promising guard. he's trying to move prince and hamilton. what about ai? i know he is a little ***** and it would be a very risky move but i couldn't see him complaining about coming off the bench for the defending champions. with him, brown, and odom our bench would suddenly look very solid. ricky but possible huge rewards
     
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    i doubt dumars would be willing to trade a young and promising guard. he's trying to move prince and hamilton. what about ai? i know he is a little ***** and it would be a very risky move but i couldn't see him complaining about coming off the bench for the defending champions. with him, brown, and odom our bench would suddenly look very solid. ricky but possible huge rewards
     
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    Screw Iverson. He's finished, but never finishes carping and complaining. Not worth the hassle.

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    well we need something asap cuz right now i think ai could beat our bench at a 1 on 5 game
     
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    jc89 wrote:
    well we need something asap cuz right now i think ai could beat our bench at a 1 on 5 game


    I agree. We should do something, but, let me ask you something. To cure a head cold, would you chug a glass of hemlock? Iverson is not the cure for our ills, he would just exacerbate them.

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    I know the concern with AI. But seriously, one of his so call interview he said he wouldn't complain if he was winning. And hell if you are on the Lakers there is a good chance you will be winning 65 out of 82 times a season. So if he has to complain the other 17 times so be it. Yeah I think AI can take our 2nd unit to school. It is like the Ron Artest trade everyone thinks its going to be bad, but I think people change in different surrounding. It isn't like Lebron is going to go 1 on 5 on the USA Olympic team (you can rack the 1 on 5 to bad coaching). I counted the teams in the NBA and 2-3 teams in the NBA needs a point guard. After the last draft everyone and their mom has a rookie lottery point guard or a decent to superstar point guard on their team. I was considering Knicks as one of the 3 teams, but they still have Nate Robinson. John Wall is coming out next year and also Ricky is floating in Limbo. Why the hell can we not get a decent backup point guard, when most team has at least 2 decent ones on theirs.

    AI might not be the Answer to the Laker problem, but I can't see anyone else trading with us. Especially if it was for Sasha. And I am confident AI is better than Sasha...
     
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    I know it is a long shot, but if they are trying to land a free agent next year and Rose is their obvious future point guard, would the bulls make this trade if it included and 1st round and a second round draft pick? Also Tyrus Thomas is in the doghouse.

    http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

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    I am having an issue copying the link today, but I have a couple trade ideas. I am trying to find a way to get consistent play at the backup PG position every night. BTW -- The salaries in each trade work.

    1. Adam Morrison for Rafer Alston. Adam is probably not going to play much this year if at all barring injury. While Alston would solidify the PG spot with Fish. Alston is older than Farmar, but so what. In two seasons LA gets someone else at PG.

    2. Then you trade Farmar for someone like Belinelli. Farmar maybe is a solid PG, but I just don't see it working with LA. Belinelli is a shooter who may puch Sasha to get a better and if not LA can use Belinelli shooting. I am sure he would benefit from the open looks he would get playing in LA.

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    laker2thegrave wrote:
    I am having an issue copying the link today, but I have a couple trade ideas. I am trying to find a way to get consistent play at the backup PG position every night. BTW -- The salaries in each trade work.

    1. Adam Morrison for Rafer Alston. Adam is probably not going to play much this year if at all barring injury. While Alston would solidify the PG spot with Fish. Alston is older than Farmar, but so what. In two seasons LA gets someone else at PG.

    2. Then you trade Farmar for someone like Belinelli. Farmar maybe is a solid PG, but I just don't see it working with LA. Belinelli is a shooter who may puch Sasha to get a better and if not LA can use Belinelli shooting. I am sure he would benefit from the open looks he would get playing in LA.

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    Why in the world would NJ do this trade? Alston is also an expiring contract but hes actually useful. Only way is by either throwing in Farmar or a draft pick.
     
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    Last season at the deadline, it was said that the Lakers and Kings were very interested with Nate Robinson.

    Here is the post from last seaso on LakersTopBuzz. Some mixed reaction: http://lakers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-view ... 27929.html

    However, given the woes of our bench I think it would be a great idea to bring him here. Its early, I know, but (outside LO and Shannon) it really is hard to have some confidence in the second-unit, especially against teams like the Clippers, Thunder, and Rockets. If I remember correctly, the bench totaled 9 points against the Clipps, and 16 two nights ago against the Rockets.

    Nate would surely be that shot of adrenaline and can be reliable on the offensive end. He's a guy who can create for himself. Watching early on in this season, P.J. likes to experiment sometimes with different squads, but in the second unit, usually outside of L.O., there isn't someone who can create a shot for himself compared to a player like Nate Robinson who could. We know P.J. likes big-guards, however I don't see why this would be a problem. Plug him into the second unit, they are usually up-ing the tempo anyways. He has the ability to play against the quick guards in the league, and he can hold his own.

    I like the second-unit backcourt tandem of Nate and Shannon. I just think it would be a good idea, and I understand why the Lakers were interested last trade deadline, and this past offseason. I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see the rumors pop up again. However, he is making 4 mill in the final year of his contract.

    We'd probably have to take back Jeffries, who is making 6 this year, and has a player option for 6 next season. An energy guy, but I'm not sure if the Lakers would do it - from a financial standpoint.

    Sasha and Ammo would get it done financially for 'lil Nate and Jared, but we just don't know if the FO would be willing to do it.

    We gotta have some faith in the FO.
     
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    Maxpower818 wrote:
    laker2thegrave wrote:
    I am having an issue copying the link today, but I have a couple trade ideas. I am trying to find a way to get consistent play at the backup PG position every night. BTW -- The salaries in each trade work.

    1. Adam Morrison for Rafer Alston. Adam is probably not going to play much this year if at all barring injury. While Alston would solidify the PG spot with Fish. Alston is older than Farmar, but so what. In two seasons LA gets someone else at PG.

    2. Then you trade Farmar for someone like Belinelli. Farmar maybe is a solid PG, but I just don't see it working with LA. Belinelli is a shooter who may puch Sasha to get a better and if not LA can use Belinelli shooting. I am sure he would benefit from the open looks he would get playing in LA.

    Thoughts....


    Why in the world would NJ do this trade? Alston is also an expiring contract but hes actually useful. Only way is by either throwing in Farmar or a draft pick.


    Morrison has an expiring contract also and Devin Harris is getting most of the minutes at PG anyway. So my point was NJ was not really giving up anything. They still get money off the books and they avoid some controversy at PG because Alston wants to play more.
     
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    Three way trade idea:

    Lakers get Raja Bell from the Bobcats

    Charlotte gets Stephen Jackson from the Warriors. (Charlotte has interest in Stephen Jackson) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/rumors/post ... nba,200637

    Golden State gets Adam Morrison from the Lakers and Jared Dudley's trade exception of $1.2M from the Bobcats.

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    i understand the concern with ai but he's a guy who can create his own shot. right now we dont have anyone on the bench that can do that. and once pau gets back we have the bi-polar odom and nothing else. i just think we need to do something to help out our bench production. i actually would be surprised to see us not do anything before the deadline
     
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    What do y'all think about signing Gerald Green?
     
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    no to gerald green. the guy is lazy, his game is too raw. Basically all he has going for him is his athleticism.
     
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    while i do think the lakers must improve their bench to win it all this season i also think they've got to be very smart about who they try and pick up. we've got brown, odom, and walton as a start for our bench. i think pg is our biggest hole and that is what needs to be filled. thats why ai, hinrich, or alston makes the most sense to me
     
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    And since when is picking up AI a smart idea? He ain't happy coming off the bench in memphis. What makes u think he is going to be happy coming off the bench for fisher, and getting less minutes than he is getting in Memphis?
     
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    IhatetheCeltics wrote:
    And since when is picking up AI a smart idea?



    since our bench can't hold 20 point leads and ai is a guy who can create a shot for himself or others. i mean even a guy like him... coming to a team like the lakers filled with veterans and a shot at winning it all. i'm pretty sure he'd behave. plus he's only on a 1 year deal.
     
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    IhatetheCeltics wrote:
    And since when is picking up AI a smart idea?



    since our bench can't hold 20 point leads and ai is a guy who can create a shot for himself or others. i mean even a guy like him... coming to a team like the lakers filled with veterans and a shot at winning it all. i'm pretty sure he'd behave. plus he's only on a 1 year deal.
     
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    The guy doesn't give a crap about winning it all. He says he does, but the way he wants to do it won't work. he wants to win it all, but he wants to do that being "THE" guy, scoring like 40 a night. If he really cared about winning it all, he would have gone to a veteran team. he went to memphis because he knew that is where he is going to get the most PT. He even said that himself. He said he signed with Memphis because they promised he would be a starter and play a lot of minutes.
     
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    AI is still a good player, but he has a lot of baggage with him. So I say NO to signing AI with the Lakers. He has being with many teams and has been a problem with all of them.
    Like Mitch said last night that it is his job to find somebody that would eventually take over for Fisher. And I am sure he will do that.
     
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    Axle wrote:
    AI is still a good player, but he has a lot of baggage with him. So I say NO to signing AI with the Lakers. He has being with many teams and has been a problem with all of them.
    Like Mitch said last night that it is his job to find somebody that would eventually take over for Fisher. And I am sure he will do that.


    i think mitch has some room to work too. brown has shown an ability to guard pgs so he could go after a traditional point or more a scorer like marquis daniels with the celtics. whatever happens, we need something for our bench asap
     
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    I think lakers GM ALready has a big Baggage with ROn Artest I think things would even be more worse with AI so I doubt that will happen the best Senaro would be TO go to the BOBCATS
    where he is good with Larry Brown or to the Cavs where he Can take over for MO WIlliams
     
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    IhateCELTIC4Life wrote:
    I think lakers GM ALready has a big Baggage with ROn Artest I think things would even be more worse with AI so I doubt that will happen the best Senaro would be TO go to the BOBCATS
    where he is good with Larry Brown or to the Cavs where he Can take over for MO WIlliams


    C'MON, the Cav's are not going to let Mo Williams go. He is the second highest scorer for the Cav's. Rolling Eyes
     
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    i know its unlikely but i would love to see jamal crawford as a laker our bench would would have shannon at point. crawford at the 2 guard and lamor at the four which would be a pretty explosive team i would give sasha and farmar for crawford
     
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