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Post subject: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st, 2009
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 01:59 AM PST
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6:30 PM PT, November 1st, 2009
Staples Center, Los Angeles, CA
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The Los Angeles Lakers' favorable schedule over the first six-plus weeks of the season was expected to help them vault to the top of the Western Conference standings.
That won't happen if they keep repeating their latest performance.
Coming off their worst loss at Staples Center in two seasons, the Lakers try for their fourth straight home win over the Atlanta Hawks, who are looking to improve to 3-0 as they open a four-game trip.
With 17 of their first 21 games at home and only one two-game trip until mid-December, the defending champion Lakers were expected by some to open the season with an extended winning streak.
Dallas, though, ended those thoughts with Friday's 94-80 victory in Los Angeles.
The Lakers (1-1) shot 39.5 percent from the field and scored 35 second-half points in their worst home defeat since a 110-91 loss to Boston on Dec. 30, 2007.
"That was one of the longest nights we've had in this building," coach Phil Jackson said Friday. "We should refund the money to our fans. Every time we got momentum we shot ourselves in our own foot."
Kobe Bryant led the Lakers with 20 points, but missed 13 of 19 field-goal attempts. He is shooting 37.8 percent from the floor this season, making him largely to blame for Los Angeles' 40.4 team mark -- worst in the Western Conference.
Bryant made 7 of 9 free throws versus Dallas, but the Lakers were outscored 25-9 at the foul line.
"We probably wanted it a little too much and that's what resulted in some of the (19) turnovers, shots going in and out," said Bryant, who averaged 13.5 points on 35.5 percent shooting as the Lakers and Hawks split two games last season. "You've got to get stops. Keep teams off the free throw line. We were just a little stagnant, but it will be better."
Getting forward Pau Gasol back on the court could help, but he is questionable for Sunday after missing the first two games with a strained right hamstring. Gasol, originally drafted by the Hawks with the third overall pick in 2001, posted his third career triple-double with 12 points, 13 boards and 10 assists in the Lakers' 96-83 win over visiting Atlanta on Feb. 17.
Lakers center Andrew Bynum has been solid through two games -- averaging 20.0 points and 11.5 rebounds -- but he'll need some help as Los Angeles faces Atlanta's talented young frontcourt.
Hawks forward Josh Smith scored 20 points, grabbed eight rebounds and moved past Shaquille O'Neal to become the youngest player in NBA history to record 900 career blocks during Friday's 100-89 victory over Washington.
"That's impressive, to see somebody block that many shots," Hawks forward Marvin Williams said of the 23-year-old Smith. "He's got it figured out. He should write a book or something."
First-year Laker Ron Artest could give Bynum some help against Hawks center Al Horford, who is averaging 17.0 points, 14.0 rebounds and 3.5 blocks.
Hawks swingman Joe Johnson has shot 50 percent or better from the field in six of his last seven games visiting the Lakers. He hit 8 of 16 and scored 20 points with 15 assists in Atlanta's last win over the Lakers at Staples Center -- 114-110 on Feb. 15, 2006.
Los Angeles has won 15 of its last 18 home meetings with the Hawks.
http://espn.go.com/nba/preview?gameId=291101013
PROBABLE SLs:
Derek Fisher
Kobe Bryant
Ron Artest
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum
Mike Bibby
Joe Johnson
Marvin Williams
Josh Smith
Al Horford
Another tough team. Hopefully our guys realize that, and rebound from last night with a win. Gasol again, is likely out. |
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Post subject: RE: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st, 2009
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 01:05 AM PST
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| with Gasol out its a really tough game... I hope we can get the W. |
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Post subject: RE: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st, 2009
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 01:10 AM PST
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| if we go 1-2 I would start to get Worried and would look for Gasol to start at the OKC game Or Hou Game |
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Post subject: RE: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st, 2009
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 02:08 AM PST
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| I want to see how our guys respond to a bad loss also. Should tell us a bit about our team. I look for a more aggressive Kobe trying to get the team going early. |
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Up next for Lakers: Sunday vs. Atlanta
Lakers will try to bounce back from Friday's loss to Dallas.
Lakers tonight
VS. ATLANTA
When: 6:30.
Where: Staples Center.
On the air: TV: FS West; Radio: 710,1330.
Records: Lakers 1-1, Hawks 2-0.
Record vs. Hawks (2008-09): 1-1.
Update: After losing to Dallas at home Friday, the Lakers watched a lot of film of that game at practice Saturday. Coach Phil Jackson said what concerned him and his assistants was how lethargic the Lakers were. He wants his team to remain composed. The Hawks are averaging 110 points per game, the second-most in the NBA. The Hawks have two players among the league leaders in scoring, Joe Johnson at 21 points per game and Josh Smith at 19 points per game.
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 02:56 AM PST
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Lakers watch film of poor game, prepare for Hawks:
After practice Saturday, a practice in which the Lakers watched film of their horrible performance Friday night against the Dallas Mavericks at Staples Center, they reminded all that the season is long and they have played only two games.
It was a game in which the Lakers were terrible on defense -- the Mavericks got way too many layups -- and out of whack on offense.
"It's actually Game 2," Lamar Odom said. "We've got 80 games left."
The Lakers know other teams will give them their best shot. That means the Lakers have to match the energy of their opponents.
"The games don't get no easier," Odom said.
-- Broderick Turner
Link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... averi.html |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 03:19 AM PST
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| Guys if we dont dominate , we are so screwed!!! but i got a feeling we are going to win |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st, 20
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 03:47 AM PST
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noam57 wrote:
with Gasol out its a really tough game... I hope we can get the W.
Ya all the roles get mixed up and its hard to perform well when you are playing someone else's role.
This will be an interesting game because looking from the starting lineups posted by Relive..... IF Bynum performs well on both ends i see him giving Horford a hard time, Odom and Josh Smith is pretty much an even match-up, Artest can win his matchup, Kobe and Joe Johnson will be pretty interesting and the PG match-up is a toss-up depending on who plays most of the time. If it was Shannon Brown then it won't be an easy night in my opinion. But Fisher can give him a hard time as well. I see us playing with more intensity though which will shut down players like Josh Smith, Joe Johnson or Jamal Crawford |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Atlanta Hawks @ LA Lakers Game Thread | Nov. 1st
Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 01:09 PM PST
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wow, Kobe is shooting 38% from the field, and the Lakers have the worst FG% in the West so far, at under 41%. THIS IS SAD. Kobe needs to get his act together this game. Its not like he was taking a lot of tough shots. I don't want to see more than like 1 3 point attempt from him. mid range, short range strictly. He better let the mamba out in this one, no excuses. If he's not ready to go, then i will be very shocked at Bean Bryant.
Last game, i was expecting him to come out with a sense of purpose in the 2nd half, and try to carry the team. I kept saying "watch, Kobe's gonna come out and straight up attack the Mavs" only to watch Kobe not get the touches he needed and drive a few times. I was disappointed.
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 03:45 PM PST
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KBLakers24 wrote:
Lakers watch film of poor game, prepare for Hawks:
After practice Saturday, a practice in which the Lakers watched film of their horrible performance Friday night against the Dallas Mavericks at Staples Center, they reminded all that the season is long and they have played only two games.
It was a game in which the Lakers were terrible on defense -- the Mavericks got way too many layups -- and out of whack on offense.
"It's actually Game 2," Lamar Odom said. "We've got 80 games left."
The Lakers know other teams will give them their best shot. That means the Lakers have to match the energy of their opponents.
"The games don't get no easier," Odom said.
-- Broderick Turner
Link: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... averi.html
It's a point guard penetration thing. They did not fix this problem over the summer. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 08:08 PM PST
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| It will be a very tough game for the Lakers IF Gasol does not play. |
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| I'm really looking forward to when I can watch this game. Mainly because of Joe Johnson. I assume it'll be Artest that is the primary defender on Johnson, and I really want to see how he does. Johnson isn't really quick, but he's not slow either. I want to see if Artest can still handle a guy like that. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 09:39 PM PST
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| its gametime! lets hope we get the W |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 09:45 PM PST
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| I'm getting sick and tired of seeing Bynum missing gimme's what the hell is wrong with him |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 10:23 PM PST
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| wow johnson with 18 points in the first quater. wtf! |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 10:33 PM PST
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| Here we go again, with Bynum not rebounding the ball. |
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Bynum getting the meat of his points going 1 on 1 when the defense doesn't collapse on him. For the most part, they are following the well-known formula to limiting his post scoring.
Bynum does not have the court vision to realize there is a better shot to be had than hooking a flat lay-up over 4 defenders. |
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| his non-rebounding is very sickening to me. 2 rebs? thats ridiculous.. Let me guess, its gonna take the media and the boards to start bitc$ing before he starts to get more active. |
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Posted: Nov 01, 2009 - 11:22 PM PST
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| no one goes into the chat anymore.... what the hell, did you guys find a girl or something? |
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| Bynum has 20, but he doesnt have a clue what he is doing on the block. and 3 rebs is really cutting it. He draws a double team and goes up anyway.. doesnt even look for the open man. |
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| at least bynum also had 2 blocks but yeah it's not right when your young starting center ties rebounds with your aging starting point guard, I don't care if you have good rebounding Forwards or guards... also the bench definitely needs to start play better d and not let other team's benches get their team back into the game. |
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| The main fault is from Phil Jackson, he let the 5 benchwarmers play the first 6mins of the 4th then when the starters came back in the Hawks already have the momentum. he should have at least left 2 starters out there. |
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BOX SCORE:
Hawks 110, Lakers 118
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291101013
Laker reserves letting us down by allowing the Hawks to come within 10 points with 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter. |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:09 AM PST
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| The starting 5 looked phenomenal today but the bench still struggled, although they played fairly well compared to the previous game against Dallas. The bench has a lot of work cut out for them if they want to be known as one of the best benches in the league. Also, i noticed Artest is looking more solid out there. Hopefully, this is just the beginning for him. He did a fine job on Johnson after he erupted for 18 first quarter points. Overall, a good effort game by the Lakers! |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:20 AM PST
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| artest played solid today |
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 12:32 AM PST
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| great run in the 3rd quarter! the starting 5 were amazing... good W! |
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Defensive stops got the offense flowing like a madhouse. They couldn't get those stops in the first two games. The ball was moving so Bynum saw quite a few 1 on 1 opportunities as well.
The Bench really didn't do anything wrong fundamentally speaking, Atlanta just caught fire and were much more athletic. |
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I was at the game. The third quarter was amazing. It came out of nowhere. Ron shut down Joe Johnson cold, Kobe had rhythm and rhyme and even Bynum made a couple of nice moves.
I was both disappointed that the bench could not keep a 24 point lead but was actually happy to see the starters back in. It was nice to see Kobe get 41 -- so, thanks Bench Mob for forcing Kobe back into the game!
Some observations from Staples.
Both in games and in pregame shootarounds, Shannon never misses from beyond the arc. I saw him make like ten in a row before game time. Why isn't he our "designated" three point "machine?" This guy could open up the floor for us night after night.
Luke is a lot better than us LTBer's give him credit for. He makes things happen and was a good contributor tonight.
Bynum does an odd warmup. He dribbles back and forth and does crossover after crossover. He is actually quite a good ball handler.
Finally, Artest is going to be really good for this team. He plays hard every minute he is on the floor. Bynum sometimes lacks intensity, so Ron's influence could be very important. |
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I'll take the win. Watched part of the game in the second quarter. Lots of standing around on defense with Laker thumbs up their butts. So far, I am not impressed by our team.
It is obvious that having a giant in there, that can only manage to equal the rebound production of our smallest starter, Fisher, leaves one with a sinking sense of total underwhelmedness! We don't need a Center with the defensive ability of Billy Barty!
Total fourth quarter collapse, again! Now deathly tired of indicating these shrinking violets with the misleading appellative of "Bench Mob"! "Bench Molls" would be more appropriate, as it as least indicates their apparent sex, and excuses them for being the püssies that they obviously are...
That our Starters can always spot us 30 point leads. With these back-ups we will always need them to eke out a win. |
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| its so sad to see that our bench, is our greatest weakness. in my personal opinion, the best player in our bench is powell and mbenga. |
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Cuckooroller states, "Total fourth quarter collapse, again! Now deathly tired of indicating these shrinking violets with the misleading appellative of "Bench Mob"! "Bench Molls" would be more appropriate,"
What about "The Bench Slobs?" |
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BaadMaster wrote:
Cuckooroller states, "Total fourth quarter collapse, again! Now deathly tired of indicating these shrinking violets with the misleading appellative of "Bench Mob"! "Bench Molls" would be more appropriate,"
What about "The Bench Slobs?"
...or even, "Bench Blobs", indicative of their maddeningly slow oozing through their, dare I say, "defensive rotations", and lack of moving to loose balls. |
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Nothing new under the sun...2nd unit doesn´t know how to keep an advantage. In fact, they didn´t shot badly, but they looked as they can´t play D at all. But, as i've said, nothing new, they are the same bunch of guys coming from last year's championship.
Pau's injury is hurting the rotation badly; with him out of it, Lamar has to play as starter, Drew has to play as starter, and PJax doesn´t want to make more rotation's tests; so, it's clear for me. Just trying to hold the line till Pau came back. Lamar is doing a nice job, and Artest showed, at least in D-end, what the Lakers are paying him for. I would love if he tried not to shot so much from downtown...i think that so much talk about him and/or Ariza is bothering him a bit.
I bet we´ll need more 40+ points from Kobe in the next games till Pau's comeback...good for the show, but not so good for the team IMO.
And, finally, about Drew's rebounds...after 2-season-ending injuries, it's clear that the guy is a bit feared about jumping. I hope he will get more confidence along the season. |
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| @Flixos, He wont make the all star team getting 3 rebs. When Pau gets back, he wont be getting the kinda minutes he was getting before, Cuz the rotation is gonna be, him, odom and Pau, and we know how it goes in the clutch. So he better get over his fears and rebound the ball. |
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Defensive stops got the offense flowing like a madhouse. They couldn't get those stops in the first two games. The ball was moving so Bynum saw quite a few 1 on 1 opportunities as well.
The Bench really didn't do anything wrong fundamentally speaking, Atlanta just caught fire and were much more athletic.
You cant tell me, If Bynum was playing against a capable defensive team, that effort would be enough... He got a ton of easy baskets, dont let the 20 fool you. Notice Bynum when he is on the block, he operates always think about scoring first, no matter what the defense is doing against him. When have you ever seen him pass out of the double team to find an open man. Please give me another negative vote for analyzing a performance, pretty please. And give a sensible reason next time. |
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Don't Rush To Judge Artest Just Yet:
Ron Artest was supposed to give the Lakers a tough defender who could get his own shot. Who would've thought his most salient contribution at this early stage in the season would be to provide a reasonable, clarifying bit of perspective.
"I always look at it as, 10 years from now you won't be thinking about the first three games," Artest said. "You'll think about the big-picture games. That's why it's really hard for me to get frustrated about not playing great."
He was far from great through the first two games of his five-year contract with the Lakers, and in this tweeting/live-blogging era where champions and MVPs are based on who wins the opening tip, there were rumblings that the Lakers made a mistake bringing him in and letting Trevor Ariza go. Artest looked uncertain on offense, made 4 of 16 field goals and provided a total of 13 points in 64 minutes. He took out his frustrations with silly fouls during the Lakers' loss to Dallas on Friday night. And not all of his ineffectiveness could be traced to learning a new system and new teammates; he was 3 of 9 from the foul line after making only 58 percent of his free throws during the preseason. Those are inexcusable numbers at any point in the season for an 11th-year pro.
Just to bring additional angst to Lakerland, Ariza scored 33 points for the Houston Rockets on Saturday night.
"He had 33?" Artest said. "Oh, that's great. I didn't know he could score 30."
Given that backdrop, it was time for Artest to show antsy Lakers fans what he could do on Sunday night. So Artest dumped an ice bucket (metaphorically; with Artest you have to be specific) on Hawks guard Joe Johnson after Johnson flambéed the Lakers for 18 points in the first nine minutes of the game.
Give an assist to Hawks coach Mike Woodson, who benched Johnson with 2:39 left in the first quarter, when he was in a 7-for-8 shooting zone. Johnson didn't return until the 7:28 mark of the second quarter, and with Artest taking over the defensive duties from Kobe Bryant, Johnson made only one of his final eight field goal attempts.
"I told Kobe, 'Let me get him,'" Artest said.
With Johnson taken out of the picture, the rest of the Hawks struggled to score. The Lakers' defense came up with seven steals in the third quarter, leading to unopposed baskets at the other end. The Hawks, so dependent on their defense to create transition baskets, seemed to stop trying as hard.
"We've got to have some type of presence," Johnson said. "We're too soft. We're giving way too many layups."
The Lakers nearly ran the Hawks out of the building before the reserves blew enough of a 24-point lead to force Phil Jackson to bring his starters back into an eventual 118-110 victory.
Bryant scored 41 points, but we've seen that before. Ninety-six other times, to be precise. This night was about Artest's initiation into the Lakers, finally making contributions, more than can be measured in his 12 points, seven rebounds, four assists and three blocked shots.
"The effect of the ability of Ron to defend tonight, it was a nice thing to happen for him," Jackson said. "I'm sure he's going to have offensive games with bigger numbers than that, but it was nice to get him back in the offensive flow."
Artest keeps saying he doesn't need to be a 20-point scorer. He has been able to move the ball in the offense, even if he hasn't always found the right time to shoot, nor was he on the mark before he started getting easy layups and dunks Sunday night.
"The main thing is playing hard," he said. "The shots don't mean nothing. You want to make open shots, but the main thing is play hard, play within the offense, know your role. I'm not going to expect myself to take 20 shots a game like I used to take. Some days I might only take three shots."
Later, after the media crowd dispersed, Artest reached into the cold bucket he was soaking his feet in, grabbed chunks of ice and crushed them in his hands as he talked about how you really should judge him: by the numbers the big-time scorers produce against him. Carmelo Anthony averaged 15 points against Artest's Rockets last season; I'm already counting the days until the new, apparently unstoppable Anthony goes against Artest in Denver on Nov. 13.
That will be a better time to assess this summer's Artest/Ariza swap. Until then, gulp, take a lesson from Artest, wait to render judgment, and don't hate upon others.
"I hope Trevor averages 20-plus this year," Artest said.
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At least Bynum was upset with his performance according to his post-game interview regarding his paltry total of 3 rebounds. But I think the coaches may have given him a major earfull (is that a word?) before he got to the interview. That's just pathetic.
Defense and rebounding are primarily a matter of pure effort and basketball IQ doesn't seem to be taught. I'll try to not say anything too negative this early in the season, but Drew's play sure makes me miss Pau.
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Lakers knock off Atlanta: Morning news and notes
They say good teams can make a push at one or two points in a game that the opposition can't handle. It happened for the Lakers on Ring Night against the Clippers, and by any definition Sunday evening in LA's 118-110 win over the Hawks at Staples. Up by six at the half, the Lakers used an 18-0 run over five minutes in the third quarter to turn a reasonably tight (if oddly played) game into a blowout.
The box score shows Kobe Bryant finished with 41 points on 15-29 from the floor and 10-11 from the line, Andrew Bynum had 21 (and only three boards, something he said after the game wasn't going to cut it), and Lamar Odom- call him Lamar 2.0?- was two dimes away from a triple double. But as we noted last night after the game (from a very poorly lit corner of the arena) after the game, the big story centered around Ron Artest, whose defense against Joe Johnson over the final three quarters tipped the balance of things for the purple and gold. "It all started with 37," said Kobe.
Johnson started red hot. 7-8 in the first quarter before Hawks coach Mike Woodson sat him down (a point of contention in that corner of the NBA universe) for a break. When he returned and with Artest on duty, Johnson only had one field goal over the final three quarters.
It was Artest's first highly visible, high impact moment in a Lakers uniform, coming two days after a bad game on Friday that left some wondering if his arrival was more negative than positive, particularly when Trevor Ariza hung 33 on Portland Saturday night. But as JA Adande of ESPN.com notes, just because we live in an era of instant judgment and analysis doesn't mean Artest's game will integrate instantly with his new teammates. It's a process, and Sunday was another sign of how Artest can change a game.
Off the floor, the dominant story for the Lakers is still Pau Gasol. He'll travel with the team on their OKC/Houston road trip this week, but isn't likely to play. Maybe it's PJ's influence, but despite wanting badly to get back on the floor, Gasol has become pretty zen about the state of his injured hamstring. Getting ticked about it won't make the thing heal any faster. But Jackson said before Sunday's win that while it might take six weeks for Gasol to get back to 100%, they don't have that kind of time:
"No, this isn't something you have to be (100% back). You can't be 100% on this unless you take forever and ever to let it heal. I think that's one of the things that is the issue right now is that probably his initial diagnosis was the fact that it takes six weeks for a hamstring to heal. We don't have six weeks. Right now, it'll be three weeks as of tomorrow. So that's half the time, supposedly. We just have to figure it out, and there are ways to come through this without having to jeopardize him. But he still has to have some security that he's not going to go out there and hurt himself."
Finally, and this will shock... nobody, but the Lakers didn't offer contract extensions to Jordan Farmar or Adam Morrison. Both will become restricted free agents this summer.
In other news around the league:
-The Celtics and Rajon Rondo have agreed on an extension. Will CP3 send him a congratulatory Tweet? Maybe... maybe not.
-Rudy Gay is looking for $50 mil from the Grizzlies, and thinks he deserves it.
-The only thing that would have made this pest-reducing swat from Manu Ginobili any more impressive would have been using chopsticks to get it done, Mr. Miyagi style. Either way, it enters the Pantheon of Great and Sure to be Replayed Forever sports highlights. (Importantly, Ginobili says no bats were truly harmed during the filming of this episode...)
-Aaron Afflalo notes there was a lot more going on in Detroit than just Allen Iverson.
-Ariza is getting used to the freedom and pressure that come with being a primary option on offense.
-Mike Conley inspired Mike Conley to get in better shape. In a matter of speaking.
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Kobe Bryant helps Lakers rebound
Bryant scores 41 points as L.A. bounces back from first loss of the season.
Whatever happened Friday, whatever seeped into the Lakers in an embarrassing home loss to Dallas, evaporated into a fine powder and blew away when they reconvened at Staples Center two days later.
The Lakers took apart the Atlanta Hawks in much the same way they were dumped by the Mavericks, cruising to a 118-110 victory Sunday.
Kobe Bryant had 41 points, Andrew Bynum had 21 and Ron Artest showed why he was the Lakers' main off-season acquisition, sending teammates into a tizzy with his defensive effort against Hawks guard Joe Johnson.
This season hadn't been the cleanest start for Artest, relocating to a star-studded city and a talent-oozing team, but he shut down Johnson in the second quarter after the All-Star beat Bryant and the Lakers for a staggering 18 points in the first quarter.
Johnson totaled only nine points the final three quarters, and the Lakers put away the Hawks by collecting seven steals in the third quarter, many of them sparking an 18-0 run that turned a tight game into a punch line.
Afterward, Bryant saw a phalanx of reporters surrounding Artest's locker and tried to sneak out without talking to the media. He was turned back around by a smiling Lakers staffer and gave credit to Artest.
"It all started with No. 37," Bryant said, referring to Artest's jersey number. "It upped the energy level defensively. I told him this game was all him because I felt like his energy changed the complexity of the game. We all kind of rallied behind him at that point. His defense in particular was outstanding."
Artest rebounded from an abysmal three-point effort against Dallas, finishing with 12 points, seven rebounds and four assists against Atlanta. Surprisingly, he had no steals, though his teammates made up for it.
The Lakers held a rickety 74-70 lead near the midpoint of the third quarter but scored the next 18 points amid a series of Hawks flubs that led to easy scores.
Bryant gave the Lakers an 84-70 lead with a behind-the-back pass to Artest for a fastbreak dunk. Then Bynum dunked an alley-oop pass from Lamar Odom. Then Artest scored on a fastbreak dunk off a turnover. Bynum added another fastbreak dunk off Odom's feed. Another Hawks turnover led to a Luke Walton-Odom-Bryant connection that ended with Bryant's reverse dunk.
The Lakers had 12 fastbreak points in the quarter. The game was over.
"I thought tonight we were so sluggish with the basketball, throwing it all over the gym," Hawks Coach Mike Woodson said. "They had a lot to do with it because they got up on us defensively and we went the other way."
Johnson was a pain in the Lakers' plans in the first quarter, making seven of eight shots before being taken out by Woodson, unexpectedly, with 2:39 left in the quarter. Artest basically picked Johnson up from there and held him to one-for-eight shooting the rest of the way.
"It was a nice thing to happen for [Artest]," Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said.
Other Lakers contributed in other ways.
Odom came close to a triple-double with 11 points, 14 rebounds and eight assists. Bryant made 15 of 29 shots and 10 of 11 free throws.
Perhaps the only negative was Bynum's rebound total -- three in 37 minutes.
"I've got to do a better job on the boards, especially when we play small teams," Bynum said. "I need to get rebounds, be kind of more active."
Bynum averaged 11.5 rebounds in his first two games. Sunday might have been only a minor misstep for him.
Jackson was so disgusted by the 94-80 loss to Dallas that he said Lakers fans should have been refunded their money. He wasn't entirely thrilled by the first 2 1/2 quarters against Atlanta.
"We can't complete a full game yet," he said. "Our focus isn't there for a full game."
The Lakers won, however, and hit the road for the first time this season, making a two-game trip to Oklahoma City and Houston.
Said Bryant: "It's going to be our first time competing in a hostile environment since June."
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Lakers pound mistake prone Hawks 118-110
Los Angeles – Another big game and another big let down for the Hawks.
The Hawks lost their sixth straight game against one of the league's elite teams dating back to the playoffs last season, falling 118-110 to the world champion Los Angeles Lakers Sunday night at Staples Center.
Cleveland swept the injury-plagued Hawks out of the Eastern Conference semifinals last season and they were blown out in their preseason finale last month by reigning Eastern Conference champion Orlando.
Sunday night's game against the Lakers was a chance for redemption, a chance to prove that their 2-0 start to this season wasn’t just a product of their ability to channel their energy and emotion in the right direction at Philips Arena.
Whatever swagger the Hawks packed for their trip west, however, disintegrated rapidly during a turnover-induced meltdown in the third quarter that sealed the their fate on this night, one that saw NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant smoke them for 41 points.
Hawks captain and All-Star Joe Johnson didnt mince his words in the locker room afterwards, calling his team "soft" and questioning whether or not they are willing to do what it takes to compete against the best.
"I thought we were past this but I was wrong," said Johnson, who torched the Lakers for 18 points in the first nine minutes of the game and finished with a team-high 27. "We still complain too much. To be honest, we just didn't have the effort needed to do this right. If shots aren't falling we stand around. We think offense more than defense. And you're not going to win in this league like that."
Eight of their 20 turnovers came in that third quarter, when the Lakers' lead stretched from two points minutes after halftime to 22 points by the end of the quarter. The Hawks turnover tally for the night produced an early Christmas present for a stacked Lakers team that doesn’t need any more gifts. Al Horford, Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford and Zaza Pachulia shared in the fun, each of them committing two turnovers during that jaw-dropping stretch of frustration.
"Playing a great team like the Lakers, you can't give them opportunities like that," Horford said. "They're going to punish you. We have to focus on the defensive end. We have enough scorers that we're going to score the ball. We're a little too worried about our offense. If you look at any of the great teams that win championships, they do it with defense. If we want to get on that level, we have to start worrying about our defense."
Hawks coach Mike Woodson was eager for his team to match up with the Lakers, to see how they might respond in a hostile environment and against the best of the best.
"This is a good time to play them because they're trying to fit pieces together just like we are," Woodson said before the game. "This is a goof time for us to be out on the road, and a great time to see what we're about as a basketball team. We have to come in and be ready so when they hit us we don’t go the other way."
But that's exactly what they did.
The Lakers turned up the pressure after halftime and the Hawks folded, bickering at each other on the bench during a timeout after one tense stretch in that third quarter turnover storm.
"That was just us policing each other," said Smith, who led the Hawks with five turnovers. "We were already down by 12 points and that's a time when we have to make sure everything we're doing is crisp. And we got careless with the basketball and that just opened the game up for them. We're too sound offensively to play like that."
The Hawks didn't show any real fight until rookie point guard Jeff Teague came in for Mike Bibby in the fourth quarter. With Teague directing traffic the Hawks cut the Lakers' lead to 10 points, 112-102, with just over three minutes to play. He scored all 12 of his points in the fourth and had two steals and two assists.
But the Hawks couldn’t sustain the momentum the rookie provided, giving up back to back baskets and two free throws from Andrew Bynum as the Lakers pushed the lead to 118-102 with just over two minutes left in the game.
"I just tried to come in and be a spark," said Teague, whose dunk over Lamar Odom ranks as one of the Hawks few highlights in the second half. "It started on the defensive end and in transition. We had an opportunity to come back and make it a game. But they got some put backs and run outs and that hurt us. It's our first road test of the season and we hit that wall. And they came to play, they are the world champs. So we just have get over this and get ready for Portland on Tuesday."
Teague was one of just four Hawks to reach double figures on the night, along with Johnson, Bibby and Jamal Crawford (17) off the bench.
The Hawks didn't get similar production from the frontcourt. Smith, Horford and Marvin Williams weren’t a factor on the offensive end, combining to shoot 7-for-2 from the floor and grabbing 16 rebounds. They werent much better on defense, allowing the Lakers to have their way around the basket all night.
They didn’t come close to matching their combined production in wins over Indiana and Washington. And they certainly didn't come anywhere close to matching the output of their counterparts in the white uniforms. Lakers big man Andrew Bynum finished with 21 points, Lamar Odom 14 rebounds, 11 points and eight assists and Ron Artest 12 points and seven rebounds.
"So far that's been our first bit of adversity of the season," Crawford said. "We have to get better at handling it. And we'll get better, that's for sure. Keep in mind that they are the world champs. They've been in those tough situatuons a million times. I'm sure they didnt handle it as well the first time like they do now. We just have to contiunue to get better and continue to hang in there for each other. "
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urkle9 wrote:
PlzOPH3T wrote:
Defensive stops got the offense flowing like a madhouse. They couldn't get those stops in the first two games. The ball was moving so Bynum saw quite a few 1 on 1 opportunities as well.
The Bench really didn't do anything wrong fundamentally speaking, Atlanta just caught fire and were much more athletic.
You cant tell me, If Bynum was playing against a capable defensive team, that effort would be enough... He got a ton of easy baskets, dont let the 20 fool you. Notice Bynum when he is on the block, he operates always think about scoring first, no matter what the defense is doing against him. When have you ever seen him pass out of the double team to find an open man. Please give me another negative vote for analyzing a performance, pretty please. And give a sensible reason next time.
I always ALWAYS believed Bynum was a black hole under the basket, and under a system that requires 5 players with outstanding court vision to move the ball for a better shot, he still needs to develop that part of his game. So whatever it is you are trying to "debate", I just don't see the point.
He get's the bulk of his points in transition going 1 on 1. Whenever he gets the ball in a half-court set the defense collapses on him cus they know he won't pass. And what happens? He hooks a flat lay-up over 3 defenders. CLANK.
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Hhaha, here we go with the insults again.. If you gonna try to hurt my feelings, you have to try a little bit harder than that. And yes, I'm operating on a 4th grade reading level... so please break it down to my level please....
Anyways, my point is, Bynum needs to learn how to pass out of the double team. When you can draw a double and pass out of it, thats how you hurt teams essentially. Everytime he gets the ball, its like he is hurrying to take the shot instead of taking his time. |
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| I was completely satified with the starting five last night. I am still disappointed with Farmar and Sasha is still not shooting enough. I think I saw him take only two shots. For a shooting guard that is not enough effort into the offense. And Farmars passing and not sharing the ball is just terrible. I though Walton played pretty good and so did Powell. Mbenga can play good defense, but sometimes he gets carried away with his shooting. So what is the deal with Morrison? Is he injured again or is he just going to warm the bench. I believe he is the only player that didn't play and if he did I missed it. I still don't like how Phil Jackson takes forever to call a time out and runs a blow out into a game that stirs some nerves on fans. He played the bench group too long against the Atlanta starters before he put the starting five of the Lakers. That is stupid as far as I am concerned. |
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urkle9 wrote:
Hhaha, here we go with the insults again.. If you gonna try to hurt my feelings, you have to try a little bit harder than that. And yes, I'm operating on a 4th grade reading level... so please break it down to my level please....
Anyways, my point is, Bynum needs to learn how to pass out of the double team. When you can draw a double and pass out of it, thats how you hurt teams essentially. Everytime he gets the ball, its like he is hurrying to take the shot instead of taking his time.
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Ron Artest steps up as Lakers dispatch Hawks
LOS ANGELES — Ron Artest had the right idea. You shouldn’t play basketball before Halloween.
(You shouldn’t play baseball anywhere close to Halloween, either, but that seems to be taking care of itself.)
Artest showed up when it was time. He helped muzzle Atlanta’s Joe Johnson on Sunday night. He had an offensive pulse, hit a 3-pointer that stirred up the Staples crowd, and generally arrived — the night after Trevor Ariza, the man with whom he controversially switched places in the offseason, splurged for 33 points for Houston.
Those comparisons will dwindle in direct proportion to how well Artest plays for the Lakers, and here he was good enough, and the Lakers dismissed a Eastern contender, 118-110.
Asked where the Lakers were, Coach Phil Jackson nodded and said, "Two and one."
Asked about returning to Houston on Wednesday, Artest said, "I’m just looking at Oklahoma (City, on Tuesday). You can’t go any farther than that. These are big games. We’re going for home advantage. Some teams haven’t lost yet."
Boston and Orlando are the unbeatens that matter, and Artest is right. You don’t want to be riding the bus to somebody else’s court for Game 7, wondering why you didn’t show up for Dallas on Oct. 30.
Then again ...
"I think when it’s all over, nobody’s going to be thinking about the first three games of the season," Artest said.
Anyway, Artest had a nice 12-point, seven-rebound game to salve his 4-for-16 start in the first two Lakers games. And, as he said, he’ll have to "start all over" whenever Pau Gasol shows up in a uniform instead of the elegant blue suit he wore on the Lakers bench.
What he really did was dissuade Johnson from considering a 50-point night for Atlanta, which seemed a possibility early. Johnson was 7 for 8 in the first period for 18 points, including a four-point play because he was fouled while drilling a 3-pointer from the deep corner ("unconscionable," Jackson described Kobe Bryant’s foul).
"I just tried to get up in him, tried to do the things I normally do," Artest said. "I’ve guarded Kobe, LeBron James. It’s all about playing hard. I’m a little heavier this year, but I’m also quicker. I’m probably about three pounds heavier.
"Yeah, I weigh myself every day and I’m 265. So with that and some added muscle and quickness, I think that’s going to be tough for my opponents."
Johnson was 1 for 8 in quarters 2-4.
Ariza was a terrific defender, too, especially with length. Artest sort of removes you from your preferred offensive starting point. Artest, too, is more assertive about volunteering to be Bryant’s relief pitcher.
"Kobe was chasing the ball a little too much early," said Jackson, who still got 41 points, eight boards and five steals from the MVP. "Joe was cutting behind him and taking advantage of him. Ron did a good job of just being there."
But how does that work?
"Kobe’s never going to say he doesn’t want to guard somebody," Artest said. "I just go over to him and say, ’Hey, I got him.’ And he says, OK. Because you don’t want him wearing himself out. Besides, the guy who’s been guarding me, if he has to guard Kobe, now he’s really in trouble."
"No. 37 (Artest) changed the energy of the game," Bryant said, "and we all rallied behind him."
These are milepost games for the Hawks. They beat Miami in the first round of the playoffs last year before they were eliminated by Cleveland. Now they’ve added Jamal Crawford and Joe Smith to their bench, and they still have a sizzling collection of young runners and jumpers who prowl outside the Cleveland-Boston-Orlando triplex.
"We’ve beaten them before," Coach Mike Woodson said. "Now we need to win on the road. We won 16 road games last year and lost four buzzer-beaters. If we can play .500 on the road we’ll have a chance."
The cover of the Hawks media guide proclaims, "Now You Know," and Johnson said that Atlanta’s music moguls now watch the Hawks regularly. "They don’t just come out to see LeBron anymore," he said.
So how does such a team take its ambition on the road?
"When other teams make their run, you can’t get out of character," Johnson said. "You have to go ahead and keep running your stuff and get the game settled down."
Which didn’t happen here.
"I’ve got to get my starters to defend and rebound," Woodson lamented. "Sixty-four points (by the Lakers in the first half) is too many."
"For us, eventually it’ll be Kobe getting 40, Pau getting 30, Lamar and Andrew (Bynum) getting 20 apiece," Artest said. "It’s not going to be fun to be the other team."
It never was meant to be.
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Posted: Nov 02, 2009 - 07:08 PM PST
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urkle9 wrote:
Anyways, my point is, Bynum needs to learn how to pass out of the double team. When you can draw a double and pass out of it, thats how you hurt teams essentially. Everytime he gets the ball, its like he is hurrying to take the shot instead of taking his time.
Absolutely true. And I know we should cut him some slack due to his being young and hurt for much of his career. I believe he desperately wants to prove himself. But, so far this has always been his mode of operation offensively. He has some excellent post moves for such a young center, but somehow he just has to learn when it is just not there for him. Make it happen for the team, not just for AB. And if we are going to feed the post like we want to do, then the lack of ball movement back out of the post is going to really hurt us in the long run.
Surely the coaches are very well aware of this. I do believe it will get corrected. If it doesn't, then Drew will find himself on the bench watching Pau play the right way during the playoffs again. |
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