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Post subject: Kobe Bryant, a leader he's not !!!
Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 06:45 PM PST
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I'll admit, I'm pissed at the fact that we just lost to Charlotte Bobcats, one of the worst road team in the NBA. But after watching this game, I find myself doubting wether Kobe Bean Bryant, who got himself ejected with 3 minutes left against the Bobcats, is a leader or not. And I'm starting to lean more on the "not" part.
How about we start with the problem here: the technicals -kobe got fifteen of them. Having that many technical fouls for a season indicate that one cannot control his emotions. One more and Kobe will be suspended for one game, and any additional technicals will mean additional suspension from this point on.
Having a leader, on a team contending for a championship, who can't control his emotions is a disaster waiting to happen. Just ask the Pistons what it felt to watch Rasheed Wallace melt down last playoffs against the Cavs.
Second, Kobe whining for fouls on every single play is starting to piss me off. It's disturbing to watch, real talk! I don't know if it's arrogance or the fact that he thinks the refs should call a foul in his favor everytime he drives to basket. Sometimes, there isn't even a foul-even with replay as proof, and Kobe still argues for a foul. Why would a player of this caliber resort to crying for fouls??
A team takes the characteristics of its leader, good or bad. At times kobe stay on the other end arguing for fouls and leaving his teammates on the other end to play 4 on 5 which against good teams usually result in a 2 or 3 point loss. Other players have started to do the same trend as Kobe.
From the refusing to shoot because he was criticized, to allegedly snitching on Shaq, to allegedly forcing Shaq out, to demanding a trade(not being able to control himself), to throwing his teammates under the bus, and to making his teammates and the organization's life miserable during training camp, Kobe risks having his leadership revoked.
Not to mention that he felt that he didn't deserve any blame for the laker situation last season. And had Kobe not create that turmoil, KG might be have been in LA right now, though that's a story for another day.
It's more telling no how the Laker players talk of Fisher as being a leader-Odom: "Fish doesn't try to be or say he's a leader, he just is!". Farmar has dished out similar praise toward Fisher. And none of them has ever said that about Kobe!!!
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 06:47 PM PST
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| all this because of one loss?? wow.... |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 06:49 PM PST
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| Kobe is the obvious leader of the team... |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 06:56 PM PST
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| if kobes not the leader then who is...............?????? who ever wrote that articles dumb |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:05 PM PST
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| Dont worry. This Idiot will realize how ignorant he is when Pau,Kobe,Bynum,Odom,And farmar all got a hand on that championship trophie. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:12 PM PST
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:19 PM PST
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| This bleacherreport site sucks. This is the second article I've read that bashes a player on our team. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:51 PM PST
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| Kobe is a leader for the rest of his teammates. What's in the past should remain in the past, we are talking about THIS season. I do hate the incessant complaining though. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:56 PM PST
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The arguiing with the refs HAS TO STOP.
Kobe is the best player on the planet. No doubt about that. Does he get fouled a lot with no calls? No doubt. But upstaging the refs is not the solution. The "scream" on every drive is absurd. A savvy player knows he doesnt get all the calls and picks his time and place to contend a call and gets the call when its most important.
It's the one aspect of Kobes game that really needs improvement. Others on the team are now griping on every call. It's got to stop!! We dont want to become the New Suns do we?
simple solution: Team fines for any verbal confrontation with a ref. Hit em where it matters! |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 07:59 PM PST
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| I don't think a fine would matter to Kobe. And I think it works against him that he's always complaining, it seems like he's starting to get less and less calls every game, and I think it's down to his constant yelling. I also don't like they "AAAAAH!!" EVERY single time he goes in for a drive, it seems like his almost loses focus getting the ball in the hoop, he just wants to go to the line. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 08:48 PM PST
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| I've watched almost every game and a good 50% of kobe's tech. fouls are because he's sticking up for his teamates after a horrible call. The old kobe would just let his team get picked apart by refs but this years kobe has his teams back. Kobe is the reason for bynums early succes and the lakers top 3 seed in the west. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:14 PM PST
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| Kobe really needs to step up the next games. The last game showed all of his weakness and he needs to prove doubter wrong, again...... |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:43 PM PST
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I wrote this article, and you wont find a bigger Laker fan than me, But Kobe literally argues for Fouls on every single play. You think th erefs dont communicate amongst themselves?? You think they are going to let Kobe disrespect them over and over again??? Other Lakers players have started arguing ffor fouls also. not to mention when a foul dont go Kobe's way, he stays on the other end, only to have his teammates go 4 on 5 on the defensive end which usually end up in a score for the opposing team.
Watch the game man, watch the game!!! Now the natl media has its reason for not giving Kobe his 1st MVP and Kobe only has himself to blame. |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 09:58 PM PST
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| I think his 30 ppg is worth a couple of technical fouls |
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Posted: Mar 27, 2008 - 10:03 PM PST
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| im sorry but the writer is a real idiot. if the BLACK MAMBA isnt the leader, then who is..... ira newble, or mbenga??? man stop complaining. they had a bad night, we are really hurting with 4 big injuries. 2 freakin allstars, a 6th man calabier player, and a better center than mbenga. but thats not the issue. were playing them tooo many minutes. watch kobe get an intetional T when gasol gets back. man he needs the rest, so does odom. have you seen the minutes their playing/...??? without bynum we won a couple, without gasol we are winning, WITHOUT KOBE..... we wont be as effetive im sorry. kobe just needs some to get back and soon. HURRY GASOL WE NEED YOU!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 04:10 AM PST
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| I'm not mad at Kobe after this game but in my opinion he's the leader in points and thats all as far as I'm concerned. 15 technicals is more than any other player in the league. You can be a leader without getting techs. Derek Fisher is clearly more solid minded than Kobe and it has been said a thousand times that in the locker room Fisher is the voice that helps to guide the younger players. On the court he is a much better representation of how a player should carry himself. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 04:51 AM PST
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| Kobe is a leader but in yesterdays game he finally came through to me like a lil b i t c h. He embarrased himself and the lakers complaining like hes a european athlete (hands by the waist looking like hes shrugging) and has been all season. Cant say hes not a leader since he got the rest of the team complaining like theyre all european soccer players especially sasha. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:56 AM PST
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kobe is absolutely the leader. as is DFish. but this is definately an aspect of his game he needs to improve. the lack of defense it leads to, that several have mentioned already, is something a leader really shouldnt be showing his team how to do. and besides, all complaining bout calls gets you is the refs annoyed with you. another thing kobe shouldnt be showing his young team how to do.
apart from anything tho. he doesnt need to be complaining. yes he probably doesnt get as many fouls as he should BUT if he doesnt get the calls, in order to give the right impression to his team, he should push through it and get the win anyway. cos we all know that he can do that. i kno that if i was a player on the Lakers looking to kobe for leadership that i would totally respect him a lot more if he pushed through his no call troubles rather than throw a fit every time he feels he doesnt get the call he deserves. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 06:03 AM PST
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I have to admit that I don't like to see Kobe complain after a lot of calls and that's because it works against him. Mainly I just don't like to see the comnplaints so often, the way Derek Fisher talks to the refs is a lot better in my opinion. Kobe does have 15 techs, but that is attributed to his personality, the guy is fiery, he's emotional, he brings his personality on the court with him, that's just Kobe. I would love to see him stop whining after every call, however a majority of the time he is right when he does complain, but I think it does work against him. I would rather see a fiery Kobe vs a subdued one with 2 techs through the whole season, the guy is passionate, but it would be good to see him harness it.
Tokes81 - Must you be so negative? It seems that the only time you're heard from is when you have something negative to say. Is anyone asking you to change your opinion? No, but there are ways of going about saying things and you're pretty damn negative.
I consider Kobe a good leader, is he a perfect leader, nah I wouldn't say that but I would say he's a good leader. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 07:35 AM PST
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gemfow wrote:
I have to admit that I don't like to see Kobe complain after a lot of calls and that's because it works against him. Mainly I just don't like to see the comnplaints so often, the way Derek Fisher talks to the refs is a lot better in my opinion. Kobe does have 15 techs, but that is attributed to his personality, the guy is fiery, he's emotional, he brings his personality on the court with him, that's just Kobe. I would love to see him stop whining after every call, however a majority of the time he is right when he does complain, but I think it does work against him. I would rather see a fiery Kobe vs a subdued one with 2 techs through the whole season, the guy is passionate, but it would be good to see him harness it.
Tokes81 - Must you be so negative? It seems that the only time you're heard from is when you have something negative to say. Is anyone asking you to change your opinion? No, but there are ways of going about saying things and you're pretty damn negative.
I consider Kobe a good leader, is he a perfect leader, nah I wouldn't say that but I would say he's a good leader.
S h i t!!!! I wrote a thread that said CP3 should get your(everyones) MVP vote and was crucified on this website, since then I had to defend myself against everyone and their momma. I quit posting for a minute but to say its always negative when I do post is totally wrong. I like to consider myself one of few Lakers fans that love Kobe Bryant but dont have a man-crush on him. The dude has been my hero since he bacame a Laker but I also see his flaws that his game and personality have and there isnt anything wrong with pointing that out every now and then. With all the praises we as fans give him someone also has to point out on this website that he aint perfect. The man had a breakdown last night that myself as a Laker fan was dissapointed in Kobe for acting like that and for hurting the team in the long run if he gets another one(suspension). |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 11:18 AM PST
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You guys are real Lakers fans. You don’t let anyone criticize your Lakers. I think most are kids on this site who are so in Love with the Lakers that they are blind. I am a Lakers fan. I have been since the Magic Era. I am so excited about the Lakers this season; I watch every game and bought a 72” HD TV and League Pass just to watch them play when I can’t go to the games. I read every article out there about the Lakers and I have already planned my route and spot for the Lakers Parade.
Kobe is my favorite player in the NBA. With that said, I am really getting tired of watching him complain to the refs on every call. It just looks very bad; he does not get back on defense. If you guys watch on every play when he gets rejected or misses, he is looking at the refs as an excuse for him messing up. A real leader does not do this; a real MVP does not do this. I hope he stops complaining so much on every call. How is that going to help you? Do you think by doing that the refs will stop the game and say “ok, kobe, you are right .. my bad??” Just play the game, get back on defense and complain after the game. Do what Mark Cuban does and send in video tapes arguing your points. I don’t want to hate him, but the things that he is doing are causing me to do so. I try to fight those demons but they are getting to me. I still like Kobe, and I never understood why so many people dislike him. Now, I know why.
Maybe the Lakers are trying to get Agent O and let him walk after his contract expires. I hope not. I dislike Agent 0. He is a jokester.
I got my Lakers flag yesterday and everyone should go get theirs!
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 11:36 AM PST
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| Kobe always has a right to argue...he is the best player on this planet. I get tired of the complaining as well and wish he would stop and get back on D but Kobe is gonna be Kobe and he plays with a passion like no other. Thats what makes him the greatest. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 11:50 AM PST
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I know how to answer this correctly
Kob Bean Bryant is a leader on this Laker squad. But when his team is losing he is just somebody else. He is an arrogant person that complains on every single play and HE HAS MORE TECHS THAN RASHEED WALLACE. He has to show patience and faith on his team. By getting double techs it doesn't do the team any good. We clearly could of cut the 13 point lead with Kobe in 4 something minutes left in the game. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 12:06 PM PST
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Everyone agrees that Fisher is well liked throughout the league. I like Fish as well. No complaints about his personality and so on. Yada yada yada. With this disclaimer, I want to state that Fisher complains on every play. At least he used to. I don’t see it much anymore. But, I remember during the Laker run of three championships, he jabbed at the refs all of the time. And yet, Fisher does not have an attitude image.
Then why does Kobe? He can’t make a single move without scrutiny. I don’t know any other athlete that comes under fire except Barry Bonds. His team wins and anyone can win with the talent the Lakers have. He scores 81 points, he is branded selfish. He passes the ball, and he is not doing enough. He steps up to the refs and makes himself an example, which I think is true leadership, and he is not a leader. Will this guy ever get the respect he deserves? Well, as long as we appreciate him I guess that’s all that’s important. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 12:14 PM PST
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| he just has a tremendous amount of passion when he plays..more than anyone else in this league. hes an emotional guy on the court and thats what a leader should be. he is the greatest player we have and if i was that good then i would complain to. he is the best and most likely he is getting hacked quite a bit because no one can guard him so they have to stop him some how. im not saying every play he argues is a foul but i bet kobe has a legite arguement for about 75% of those techs they called on him. he needs to learn how to shut up now cause of the suspension and all but kobe is the leader of this team and he is fighting for his team on every bad call |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 12:23 PM PST
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TheJell-OisJiggling wrote:
...he is fighting for his team on every bad call
That's my point. That's what a leader does. But, he does need to cool it and not say a word, cuz they are looking to toss him out for just looking at the refs wrong. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 12:42 PM PST
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GQ wrote:
You guys are real Lakers fans. You don’t let anyone criticize your Lakers. I think most are kids on this site who are so in Love with the Lakers that they are blind. I am a Lakers fan. I have been since the Magic Era. I am so excited about the Lakers this season; I watch every game and bought a 72” HD TV and League Pass just to watch them play when I can’t go to the games. I read every article out there about the Lakers and I have already planned my route and spot for the Lakers Parade.
Kobe is my favorite player in the NBA. With that said, I am really getting tired of watching him complain to the refs on every call. It just looks very bad; he does not get back on defense. If you guys watch on every play when he gets rejected or misses, he is looking at the refs as an excuse for him messing up. A real leader does not do this; a real MVP does not do this. I hope he stops complaining so much on every call. How is that going to help you? Do you think by doing that the refs will stop the game and say “ok, kobe, you are right .. my bad??” Just play the game, get back on defense and complain after the game. Do what Mark Cuban does and send in video tapes arguing your points. I don’t want to hate him, but the things that he is doing are causing me to do so. I try to fight those demons but they are getting to me. I still like Kobe, and I never understood why so many people dislike him. Now, I know why.
Maybe the Lakers are trying to get Agent O and let him walk after his contract expires. I hope not. I dislike Agent 0. He is a jokester.
I got my Lakers flag yesterday and everyone should go get theirs!
Lakers for life, with or without Kobe or anyone else.
this is why i wrote this article, people thought i'm a Kobe hater which i'm not. I love my Lakers but Kobe's on-court attitude and body language has been disappointing. Did you guys see how the guys crumbled against Boston twice this season?? and when in that same game, Luke walton reached out to Kobe to shake his hand after Phil was taking out of the game, KObe ignored Luke and viciously sat on the bench while shrugging Luke's hand.
Also he literally Berates and screams the officials after every single play. I thought since the Seattle ejection that the refs showed they weren't going to take any sht from him but it looks like He still doesn't get the message. And his latest ejection at a crucial time against the BoBcats might just cost him the MVP.
It's just sad man, everytime Kobe does something to make the public love him, he turns around and destroy it the next minute.
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1.Magical 2002-2003 season with Superhuman like skills ----->> Colorado incident.
2.Numerous heroics during the 2003-2004 season -------->> To allegedly forcing Shaq and Phil out of LA....It doesn't matter that he didn't, the mere perception of such wad damning.
3.Bouncing back from a bad previous season to a successful 2005-2006 while averaging 35ppg-------->>>mysteriously not shooting in the 2nd half of the Game 7 against PHX.
4.Lighitng the league up with 50pt games durinig teh 2006-2007 season ----->>>. Bashing of the entire laker franchise and young Andrew
5.Amazing Team USA performace -------->>>>>leaking out numerous trade rumors through Ric Bucher and suffocating the life out of his young team during Training camp
6.His first legit MVP campaign in 2007-2008 ----->>>Constant Complaining to officials which led to 2 ejections and 15 technicals(Rasheed Wallace and Ron Artest got less techs than KOBE) |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 01:03 PM PST
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A player never knows when he will get a call or not. I remember as clear as day when we played the Spurs for the Western Conference Finals. Kobe had the opportunity to take a wild three point shot. If he did, there was a possibility that he would miss. But, if I recall, if he did miss, it would have been because would have been fouled.
Not knowing if a ref will make such a call in the closing seconds of a game, Kobe chose to pass the ball to Robert Horry. Horry takes the shot and it goes in and somehow rattles out. He makes that, and we will most assuredly have won the finals and be looking at the only four time champs since Boston.
There are too many things for players to think about during a game. One annoyance are whether a foul will be called or not. I hear refs say that a foul can be called on every play. If that’s the case, then why do they choose the moments they do to make the call?
However, I do agree about complaining about calls. In Magic Johnson’s book, he talks about how he used to play one-on-one with his dad. His dad use to bump him and young Erving use to complain. His dad said that in the NBA, you’ll never know when you’ll get the calls.
So I guess Kobe needs to take it in stride and do his best, because we know that his best is fantastic to watch. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 01:03 PM PST
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| It makes me sick when the media all of a sudden turned on kobe and now there making exscuses on not giving him the MVP. Having 15 techs out of an 82 game season is nothing!!!!!!! Look at all the good he's brought to LA and southern california and the success he's brought to this huge market. Who's going to sit there and honestly tell me that he isn't the most valuable player and he shouldnt get the award because he has 15 techs?? Having 15 techs isnt even a big deal. It's not like kobe is a bad person and is potrayed as a "thug" or hit his wife or something really bad for his rep. he just overreacted 15 times out of the season. BIG DEAL!! |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 01:07 PM PST
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| It's a big deal, but not a big deal. In today's game, you look at a ref wrong and you get a technical. They did it to Duncan last year. It reminds me of that Billy Crystal movie Forget Paris. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 02:11 PM PST
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mtpascoe wrote:
It's a big deal, but not a big deal. In today's game, you look at a ref wrong and you get a technical. They did it to Duncan last year. It reminds me of that Billy Crystal movie Forget Paris.
That's how it should be. I don't want my son to watch every good player in the NBA bitching on every call and not being punished. He will see that and think he can do it when he starts playing sports. The NBA has a problem and they need to fix it. Next year, they need to re-emphasize the Technical foul for any arguing like in the preseason, but then carry it all the way through the season. There is a right way and a wrong way to talk to officials, and most NBA players only know the wrong way. Even when an official makes a mistake, players shouldn't be allowed to scream and hollar at him. You don't see the referees yelling at a player when he commits a turnover or misses a layup, do you? So explain why it is that the people making millions of dollars per year are allowed to make mistakes, but the officials who make much, much less are expected to be perfect. Seems backwards to me. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 04:42 PM PST
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Tokes81 - there was a reason you were crucified about the changing your MVP vote to Paul. There were plenty of flaws in your thinking on that one post and it actually didn't put up much of an argument as to why you were and most of all you're on a Laker website so of course there will be bias.
As far as pointing out his flaws, I can point them out just as well, some things about Kobe's game have irritated me before and some things do still irritate me a little bit, but to harp on them everytime is not my style. I belive that Kobe does deserve the MVP due to the so-called criteria of record and holding the team together with it's bigs rotating in and out the lineup due to injurys and not the type of 4 game injuries that David West seems to go through. We're talking about Bynum a big in the very competitive West and then to seemlessly get Gasol in the mix. All of Gasol's good play isn't all Kobe's doing of course since Gasol is a baller. The reason Paul will win it this year is because 1) he's not Kobe 2) he has the ball in his hands for about 30-35 minutes a game it seems vs Kobe who usually gets more touches in the second half. So whenever a pg has a trememndous year it will undoubtedly carry more weight in my opinion beause the pg position is generally the floor leader and runs the offense. |
_________________ "It made me feel like I should throw mine away." - Larry Bird, upon hearing that Kobe hadn't earned the MVP trophy until this year.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:16 PM PST
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| Who ever wrote that article does not know what he/she is talking about. The Lakers would not be where they are if it was not for Kobe. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:20 PM PST
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Didnt Charlotte also beat boston? so what does this mean that Boston sucks?
media obviosly hate kobe and will do anything to take away his mvp |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:31 PM PST
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| Defense defense defense! I don't know if the Lakers really want to be in first place in the west because they w ould have to face the dangerous Warriors. Maybe they would rather face the Mavericks and are playing only to get the seed where they might match up better. WHO KNOWS! |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:40 PM PST
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[quote="Axle"]Defense defense defense! I don
hmmm. now that was an interesting thought. |
_________________ "We have all the confidence in the world," "The key is defense. We've got to hold the other team down when it counts." - Kobe Bryant
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 05:59 PM PST
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LakersFranchise wrote:
Didnt Charlotte also beat boston? so what does this mean that Boston sucks?
media obviosly hate kobe and will do anything to take away his mvp
I do feel you on that one, and that's a very good point. They did beat boston.
My problem with the loss is not the team, it's the effort they played with against this team. Another game in which we were down 15 or more in consecutive games in our own building is inexcuseable. |
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 07:06 PM PST
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| lknight - that's the exact problem I had with the akers that game and other games also recently and it's really irritating the hell out of me. I could be somewhat sympathetic if the Lakers came out with energy and just couldn't suatain the energy vs coming out so-so and then trying to turn it on in the second half. |
_________________ "It made me feel like I should throw mine away." - Larry Bird, upon hearing that Kobe hadn't earned the MVP trophy until this year.
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Posted: Mar 28, 2008 - 07:40 PM PST
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| This guy is not a true Laker fan. He is just a bandwagon fan. He lists his favorite teams as Lakers, Cowboys, Yankees. Just following the big name bandwagons. I will never understand why so many come down so hard on Kobe. |
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